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Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Win 2k3 64 and screen readers
by Frank Ventura 26 Sep '09

26 Sep '09

Ryan, thanks. I haven't gotten my hands on the box yet so I am not sure. I know it wouldn't be Data center edition but Enterprise x86 ... hmm, maybe. It is an ex web server being demoted to file server duties. I will pretty much have carte blanche to manage it so I wonder if I cannot get a screen reader on it could I upgrade to Win2k8 Std 64 bit? Would there be drivers for that install? Thanks Frank -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 12:05 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Win 2k3 64 and screen readers Hi Frank: I don't know about JAWS, but Window-Eyes will absolutely not work. You'll need Vista or later because they only have a 64-bit mirror driver. Do you know what the server does, what software's installed on it, etc.? If the server is running Windows 2003 Enterprise or Datacenter, then even the 32-bit version will work with the 8GB of memory, I'm not entirely sure how or why that's possible, but I think the 32-bit version of Enterprise supports up to 12GB, and Datacenter supports up to 64GB. I'd need to do some research to find the exact numbers though. I know a lot of people stuck to the 32-bit version of 2003 due to compatability purposes, a lot of non Microsoft apps just didn't like 64-bit Windows back in the days of 2003. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 6:37 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Win 2k3 64 and screen readers Hi all, I have inherited the responsibility of managing a Dell PE 2900 with Win 2k3. Since it has 8 gigs of memory I assume it is the 64 bit version of Win 2k3. Does anyone know what screen reader(s) I can get to work on it. Can the 64 bit version of JFW work in this scenario? Also on a related note if I have the service tag from the server is there anywhere on the Dell site where I can punch it in and find out just what equipment it was built with? Thanks Frank _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins

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Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Win 2k3 64 and screen readers
by Frank Ventura 26 Sep '09

26 Sep '09

Scott, thanks, I will check out the Dell support site. Frank -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 9:42 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Win 2k3 64 and screen readers Hi, not sure on the screen reader bit I have only run JFW64 under Vista. On the Dell part, you can browse to http://www.dell.com click on support and enter the service tag in the service tag field on the support site. One of the options is to display the system configuration. The other nice thing is you know all the drivers are matched. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Ventura" <Frank.Ventura(a)littlebreezes.com> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:36 PM Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Win 2k3 64 and screen readers Hi all, I have inherited the responsibility of managing a Dell PE 2900 with Win 2k3. Since it has 8 gigs of memory I assume it is the 64 bit version of Win 2k3. Does anyone know what screen reader(s) I can get to work on it. Can the 64 bit version of JFW work in this scenario? Also on a related note if I have the service tag from the server is there anywhere on the Dell site where I can punch it in and find out just what equipment it was built with? Thanks Frank _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins

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Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Anyoneelsenoticing Cisco becominglessandlessaccessible?
by Frank Ventura 26 Sep '09

26 Sep '09

Oh, OK that makes sense. At least they were responsive to your query. Frank -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 6:53 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Anyoneelsenoticing Cisco becominglessandlessaccessible? Ok, so I figured out the difference. Some of the stuff like the partial releases is available via URL with the same system that was in place in the past. That works fine. IF you have content on the new DL manager though like the major releases, linksys firmware, vpn clients, and most widely distributed production items you'll be out of luck. Good news is though a non Java version is on the way. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Ventura" <Frank.Ventura(a)littlebreezes.com> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Anyone elsenoticing Cisco becominglessandlessaccessible? I had the same experience, maybe the U.K. site is doing something different. Frank -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 3:44 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Anyone elsenoticing Cisco becominglessandless accessible? Hi, so I tried again and this didn't work for me, wonder what I'm doing wrong. I browse over to the site, log in, select download, security, asa software, the version I want then a warning screen with no text pops up which I close then the download manager screen opens with no text other than the contact / feedback buttons. I then close that and pick the click here if your dl doesn't start button and the whole thing repeats. What did I miss?:) Thanks Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Hodgson" <andrew(a)hodgsonfamily.org> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Anyone else noticing Cisco becominglessandless accessible? Hi, That is correct, just click on the item you want to expand then refresh the screen. It will pick up the expanded items. Not perfect but doable. Our helpdesk system at work uses a similar system. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: 24 September 2009 18:10 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Anyone else noticing Cisco becoming lessandless accessible? Really, so when I used the jfw cursor I didn't find any indicators at all. Maybe thewarning for cryptographic export or something got in the way? I'll give it another shot. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Hodgson" <andrew(a)hodgsonfamily.org> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Anyone else noticing Cisco becoming lessandless accessible? Hi, I needed to use the download manager today actually. It is sort of usable if you use the Jaws cursor and do continued Jaws refresh commands. I was downloading an IOS image. Thanks. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: 24 September 2009 17:15 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Anyone else noticing Cisco becoming less andless accessible? John, count me in! I have been a network engineer since 1992 and a Cisco user for the entire time period. Cisco used to be great including offering to braille documentation but that level of service has fallen off since they grew from a small splinter group from Stanford in to a massive enterprise. My particular problems are the download manager for their software images on their web site is unusable, tools like the ASDM don't work with screen readers and the ONS15454 config tool is java based and not hugely friendly. Sometimes there is a CLI option which is great like in the case of the ASA hardware and ASDM but things like the downloads not being available is just a real pisser and makes life difficult. I shouldn't have to have my coworker download something for me.:) Anyone else? ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G. Heim" <jheim(a)math.wisc.edu> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 7:28 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Anyone else noticing Cisco becoming less andless accessible? It was for problems like this that I started the International Association of Visually Impaired Technologists. If anyone is interested in working with me on this, I can write a letter to Cisco about the accessibility of their products. I'll need contact information at Cisco if anyone has that, a list of problems, and if possible, a group of blind users of Cisco products for the engineers to work with to address the problems. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins

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Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Anyone elsenoticing Cisco becominglessandless accessible?
by Frank Ventura 25 Sep '09

25 Sep '09

I had the same experience, maybe the U.K. site is doing something different. Frank -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 3:44 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Anyone elsenoticing Cisco becominglessandless accessible? Hi, so I tried again and this didn't work for me, wonder what I'm doing wrong. I browse over to the site, log in, select download, security, asa software, the version I want then a warning screen with no text pops up which I close then the download manager screen opens with no text other than the contact / feedback buttons. I then close that and pick the click here if your dl doesn't start button and the whole thing repeats. What did I miss?:) Thanks Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Hodgson" <andrew(a)hodgsonfamily.org> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Anyone else noticing Cisco becominglessandless accessible? Hi, That is correct, just click on the item you want to expand then refresh the screen. It will pick up the expanded items. Not perfect but doable. Our helpdesk system at work uses a similar system. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: 24 September 2009 18:10 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Anyone else noticing Cisco becoming lessandless accessible? Really, so when I used the jfw cursor I didn't find any indicators at all. Maybe thewarning for cryptographic export or something got in the way? I'll give it another shot. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Hodgson" <andrew(a)hodgsonfamily.org> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Anyone else noticing Cisco becoming lessandless accessible? Hi, I needed to use the download manager today actually. It is sort of usable if you use the Jaws cursor and do continued Jaws refresh commands. I was downloading an IOS image. Thanks. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: 24 September 2009 17:15 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Anyone else noticing Cisco becoming less andless accessible? John, count me in! I have been a network engineer since 1992 and a Cisco user for the entire time period. Cisco used to be great including offering to braille documentation but that level of service has fallen off since they grew from a small splinter group from Stanford in to a massive enterprise. My particular problems are the download manager for their software images on their web site is unusable, tools like the ASDM don't work with screen readers and the ONS15454 config tool is java based and not hugely friendly. Sometimes there is a CLI option which is great like in the case of the ASA hardware and ASDM but things like the downloads not being available is just a real pisser and makes life difficult. I shouldn't have to have my coworker download something for me.:) Anyone else? ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G. Heim" <jheim(a)math.wisc.edu> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 7:28 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Anyone else noticing Cisco becoming less andless accessible? It was for problems like this that I started the International Association of Visually Impaired Technologists. If anyone is interested in working with me on this, I can write a letter to Cisco about the accessibility of their products. I'll need contact information at Cisco if anyone has that, a list of problems, and if possible, a group of blind users of Cisco products for the engineers to work with to address the problems. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins

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Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Anyone else noticing Ciscobecoming lessandless accessible?
by Frank Ventura 25 Sep '09

25 Sep '09

Ditto, I couldn't find anything with the JAWS cursor but am willing to give it another shot as well. Frank -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 1:10 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Anyone else noticing Ciscobecoming lessandless accessible? Really, so when I used the jfw cursor I didn't find any indicators at all. Maybe thewarning for cryptographic export or something got in the way? I'll give it another shot. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Hodgson" <andrew(a)hodgsonfamily.org> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Anyone else noticing Cisco becoming lessandless accessible? Hi, I needed to use the download manager today actually. It is sort of usable if you use the Jaws cursor and do continued Jaws refresh commands. I was downloading an IOS image. Thanks. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: 24 September 2009 17:15 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Anyone else noticing Cisco becoming less andless accessible? John, count me in! I have been a network engineer since 1992 and a Cisco user for the entire time period. Cisco used to be great including offering to braille documentation but that level of service has fallen off since they grew from a small splinter group from Stanford in to a massive enterprise. My particular problems are the download manager for their software images on their web site is unusable, tools like the ASDM don't work with screen readers and the ONS15454 config tool is java based and not hugely friendly. Sometimes there is a CLI option which is great like in the case of the ASA hardware and ASDM but things like the downloads not being available is just a real pisser and makes life difficult. I shouldn't have to have my coworker download something for me.:) Anyone else? ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G. Heim" <jheim(a)math.wisc.edu> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 7:28 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Anyone else noticing Cisco becoming less andless accessible? It was for problems like this that I started the International Association of Visually Impaired Technologists. If anyone is interested in working with me on this, I can write a letter to Cisco about the accessibility of their products. I'll need contact information at Cisco if anyone has that, a list of problems, and if possible, a group of blind users of Cisco products for the engineers to work with to address the problems. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins

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Cisco's response RE inaccessible downlaod manager
by Scott Granados 25 Sep '09

25 Sep '09

I got a very nice response, please find it below. I'm answering there questions if anyone has any comments they would like me to forward please let me know. Thanks Scott <RESPONSE> Hello Scott, Thank you for your feedback and we regret any inconvenience. Could you please give us more insight on the difficulty you are facing in downloading the software. Also provide some additional information such as the specific steps in the download process where the screen reader is inaccessible. We are also working on a non Java download option in our upcoming release. Thanks so much for your time and patience. Regards, Meera

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linksys router and no-ip?
by Dave 25 Sep '09

25 Sep '09

Hello, This is for a friend. They've got a linksys router model wrt54g. They're wanting to use no-ip.com for their ddns, and were wondering if that router supported it? Thanks. Dave.

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Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Anyone else noticing Cisco becoming less and lessaccessible?
by Frank Ventura 25 Sep '09

25 Sep '09

Yup, ran into this the other day. I went through the whole site to find the link to download the firmware update to a Linksys WRV200 router only to find out that it eventually ends up in a totally inaccessible JAVA based download manager. I had to have a sited friend use that download manager for me. Anyone else figure out a workaround for this? Frank -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:12 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Anyone else noticing Cisco becoming less and lessaccessible? Hi all, I know this has come up in some forms before but has anyone else noticed how unfriendly to screen readers Cisco's web site and products are becoming? I just tried to download the latest windows VPN client and got lost in a java based download manager that had absolutely no output recognizable to JFW. This sucks! In fact, WTF! I guess this makes my decision to suggest that my company migrate over to Juniper even easier. Isn't there some federal accessibility standard or some such in place that Cisco has to conform to in order to market the US government? Can't some pressure be applied from that angle? Thanks Scott _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins

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Anyone else noticing Cisco becoming less and less accessible?
by Scott Granados 24 Sep '09

24 Sep '09

Hi all, I know this has come up in some forms before but has anyone else noticed how unfriendly to screen readers Cisco's web site and products are becoming? I just tried to download the latest windows VPN client and got lost in a java based download manager that had absolutely no output recognizable to JFW. This sucks! In fact, WTF! I guess this makes my decision to suggest that my company migrate over to Juniper even easier. Isn't there some federal accessibility standard or some such in place that Cisco has to conform to in order to market the US government? Can't some pressure be applied from that angle? Thanks Scott

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Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Anyone else noticing Cisco becoming lessandlessaccessible?
by Ryan Shugart 24 Sep '09

24 Sep '09

Scott: I totally agree. I don't see the point in all these bundled download managers anyway. FTP or HTTP is fine by me, and if I so choose I can install my own download manager. My only point is the choice to use or not use it shouldn't be based on accessibility. And, if Cisco wrote their application properly, then the accessability issues aren't their problem. I think we're on the same page their. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Scott Granados <scott(a)granados-llc.net> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:59 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Anyone else noticing Cisco becoming lessandlessaccessible? Ryan, you have a point. I think Java support should be a non issue by now and for some reason, the screen reader folks don't take it seriously. However, in this case it's not just the blind community that's pissed. Lots of network engineers need a quick / easy way to get their software images. Cisco used to do simple ftp / rsync / http access secured with a name and password. You could kick these processes off from anywhere (including directly from the router) and not be dependent on anything like JRE version, whether you have Java at all, browser and so on. Now this bloated tool keeps the user in this box where they have to use the right Java with the right browser and field upgrades directly from with in the hardware aren't possible. It sucks! This just reflects a trend to make things on the web pretty, not functional and for some reason vendors don't care if their largest customers don't like the service. It's marketing girls gone wild! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ryan Shugart" <rshugart(a)pcisys.net> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 11:18 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Anyone else noticing Cisco becoming lessandlessaccessible? I'm not sure 508 will help us here. In my experience with dealing with government agencies, most of them don't understand section 508 themselves, and the few that do, on the organizational level, look at it as something to be worked around, not complied with. There are a lot of good people who do take 508 seriously, but my experience is they're just lost in the wind. On the specific topic of Cisco, my company just deployed Cisco's Anyconnect VPN, and that's perfectly accessible. Its all web based, the pages are very basic HTML, there is a Java or ActiveX plugin to handle the actual VPN and network traffic, but it has no UI and everything's HTML based. So some Cisco products work, and as far as VPNs go Any Connect seems to be the wave of the future, as I don't think the standard VPN client will work on X64 based systems. As to the problem of the web site and such using Java, this brings up a good question. Should we tell Cisco to not use Java or any of these newer standards because they're inaccessible, or should we make the newer standards accessible? Java accessibility in particular is a joke. For a platform that's been in wide spread use for at least ten years, if not fifteen, it should be much more widely used. Both leading screen readers have very bad Java support. I honestly don't know if this is the fault of the screen reader vendors, Sun or the Java programmers, but unless Cisco's Java isn't using the accessibility standards, its not Cisco's fault their site and downloads are inaccessible, its either the screen reader vendors or Sun's. Again I don't know whose fault that is, I'm just saying the answer to this isn't to push Cisco to stop using these newer technologies, its to push the adaptive technology industry really hard, and possibly in some uncomfortrable directions for th em. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:47 PM To: Blind sysadmins list; dave.mehler(a)gmail.com Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Anyone else noticing Cisco becoming less andlessaccessible? I don't work for the feds so it won't help me much but I know people who do.:) I'd love to see the government threaten to stop buying Cisco for 1 day, that would put this whole thing to rest once and for all. I'm hopeful though, the sited folks don't like the state of things either so hopefully they will redesign a lot of this stuff for the whole market, that's much more likely. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher McMillan" <christophermcmillan(a)hotmail.com> To: <dave.mehler(a)gmail.com>; "'Blind sysadmins list'" <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Anyone else noticing Cisco becoming less andlessaccessible? I dealt with Section 508 for ALVA Access Group and also worked for the Federal Government in IT and the early stages of 508 Regulations. Feel free to e-mail me off list and I can send the regulations forward to help with this issue. This relates to Federal Agencies using the equipment and not the public workforce. I can tell you that much. I will be going on vacation till 10/13/09 so it will take awhile if I don't hear from any one privately. I can be reached at christophermcmillan(a)hotmail.com or work e-mail at chrismcmillan(a)ceektech.com. Sincerely, Christopher McMillan, CIO CEEK Technology Blog: http://ceektechnology.spaces.live.com Web Site: http://www.ceektechnology.com WM: chrismcmillan(a)ceektech.com or christophermcmillan(a)hotmail.com E-mail: chrismcmillan(a)ceektech.com or christophermcmillan(a)hotmail.com -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 7:14 PM To: 'Blind sysadmins list' Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Anyone else noticing Cisco becoming less and lessaccessible? Hi, Emphatically yes i am seeing the same thing. I have a Linksys WRT54g2 router and I can not use the java download page the dropdown box like thing, emphasis on, is not jfw friendly at all. This to me is unacceptable. I've emailed them feedback but have heard nothing. I really want to get the latest firmware as i'm hoping that that will make a linux upgrade easier. And the law i believe is called Section 508, I think it says something and this is a paraphrase: to market to the government products and services which i suppose sites would be in that group must be accessible to persons with disabilities. Hth Dave. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:12 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Anyone else noticing Cisco becoming less and lessaccessible? Hi all, I know this has come up in some forms before but has anyone else noticed how unfriendly to screen readers Cisco's web site and products are becoming? I just tried to download the latest windows VPN client and got lost in a java based download manager that had absolutely no output recognizable to JFW. This sucks! In fact, WTF! I guess this makes my decision to suggest that my company migrate over to Juniper even easier. Isn't there some federal accessibility standard or some such in place that Cisco has to conform to in order to market the US government? Can't some pressure be applied from that angle? 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Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Anyone else noticing Cisco becoming lessandlessaccessible?
by Ryan Shugart 24 Sep '09

24 Sep '09

Scott: I totally agree. I don't see the point in all these bundled download managers anyway. FTP or HTTP is fine by me, and if I so choose I can install my own download manager. My only point is the choice to use or not use it shouldn't be based on accessibility. And, if Cisco wrote their application properly, then the accessability issues aren't their problem. I think we're on the same page their. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Scott Granados <scott(a)granados-llc.net> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:59 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Anyone else noticing Cisco becoming lessandlessaccessible? Ryan, you have a point. I think Java support should be a non issue by now and for some reason, the screen reader folks don't take it seriously. However, in this case it's not just the blind community that's pissed. Lots of network engineers need a quick / easy way to get their software images. Cisco used to do simple ftp / rsync / http access secured with a name and password. You could kick these processes off from anywhere (including directly from the router) and not be dependent on anything like JRE version, whether you have Java at all, browser and so on. Now this bloated tool keeps the user in this box where they have to use the right Java with the right browser and field upgrades directly from with in the hardware aren't possible. It sucks! This just reflects a trend to make things on the web pretty, not functional and for some reason vendors don't care if their largest customers don't like the service. It's marketing girls gone wild! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ryan Shugart" <rshugart(a)pcisys.net> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 11:18 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Anyone else noticing Cisco becoming lessandlessaccessible? I'm not sure 508 will help us here. In my experience with dealing with government agencies, most of them don't understand section 508 themselves, and the few that do, on the organizational level, look at it as something to be worked around, not complied with. There are a lot of good people who do take 508 seriously, but my experience is they're just lost in the wind. On the specific topic of Cisco, my company just deployed Cisco's Anyconnect VPN, and that's perfectly accessible. Its all web based, the pages are very basic HTML, there is a Java or ActiveX plugin to handle the actual VPN and network traffic, but it has no UI and everything's HTML based. So some Cisco products work, and as far as VPNs go Any Connect seems to be the wave of the future, as I don't think the standard VPN client will work on X64 based systems. As to the problem of the web site and such using Java, this brings up a good question. Should we tell Cisco to not use Java or any of these newer standards because they're inaccessible, or should we make the newer standards accessible? Java accessibility in particular is a joke. For a platform that's been in wide spread use for at least ten years, if not fifteen, it should be much more widely used. Both leading screen readers have very bad Java support. I honestly don't know if this is the fault of the screen reader vendors, Sun or the Java programmers, but unless Cisco's Java isn't using the accessibility standards, its not Cisco's fault their site and downloads are inaccessible, its either the screen reader vendors or Sun's. Again I don't know whose fault that is, I'm just saying the answer to this isn't to push Cisco to stop using these newer technologies, its to push the adaptive technology industry really hard, and possibly in some uncomfortrable directions for th em. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:47 PM To: Blind sysadmins list; dave.mehler(a)gmail.com Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Anyone else noticing Cisco becoming less andlessaccessible? I don't work for the feds so it won't help me much but I know people who do.:) I'd love to see the government threaten to stop buying Cisco for 1 day, that would put this whole thing to rest once and for all. I'm hopeful though, the sited folks don't like the state of things either so hopefully they will redesign a lot of this stuff for the whole market, that's much more likely. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher McMillan" <christophermcmillan(a)hotmail.com> To: <dave.mehler(a)gmail.com>; "'Blind sysadmins list'" <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Anyone else noticing Cisco becoming less andlessaccessible? I dealt with Section 508 for ALVA Access Group and also worked for the Federal Government in IT and the early stages of 508 Regulations. Feel free to e-mail me off list and I can send the regulations forward to help with this issue. This relates to Federal Agencies using the equipment and not the public workforce. I can tell you that much. I will be going on vacation till 10/13/09 so it will take awhile if I don't hear from any one privately. I can be reached at christophermcmillan(a)hotmail.com or work e-mail at chrismcmillan(a)ceektech.com. Sincerely, Christopher McMillan, CIO CEEK Technology Blog: http://ceektechnology.spaces.live.com Web Site: http://www.ceektechnology.com WM: chrismcmillan(a)ceektech.com or christophermcmillan(a)hotmail.com E-mail: chrismcmillan(a)ceektech.com or christophermcmillan(a)hotmail.com -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 7:14 PM To: 'Blind sysadmins list' Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Anyone else noticing Cisco becoming less and lessaccessible? Hi, Emphatically yes i am seeing the same thing. I have a Linksys WRT54g2 router and I can not use the java download page the dropdown box like thing, emphasis on, is not jfw friendly at all. This to me is unacceptable. I've emailed them feedback but have heard nothing. I really want to get the latest firmware as i'm hoping that that will make a linux upgrade easier. And the law i believe is called Section 508, I think it says something and this is a paraphrase: to market to the government products and services which i suppose sites would be in that group must be accessible to persons with disabilities. Hth Dave. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:12 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Anyone else noticing Cisco becoming less and lessaccessible? Hi all, I know this has come up in some forms before but has anyone else noticed how unfriendly to screen readers Cisco's web site and products are becoming? I just tried to download the latest windows VPN client and got lost in a java based download manager that had absolutely no output recognizable to JFW. This sucks! In fact, WTF! I guess this makes my decision to suggest that my company migrate over to Juniper even easier. Isn't there some federal accessibility standard or some such in place that Cisco has to conform to in order to market the US government? Can't some pressure be applied from that angle? Thanks Scott _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins

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managing a computer via msc
by Dave 23 Sep '09

23 Sep '09

Hello, I am trying to manage a remote xp pro machine located across my network. Both machines can ping each other. The machine to be managed can list shares on other network machines, but existing shares can not be viewed on it, don't know if this is important. When i created an mmc console i told it to manage a remote computer, i right click the console and choose runas, give it the admin user/password on the other machine, mmc opens, displays the machine's name at the top of the tree, then about 15 seconds later times out with the network path was not found. A suggestion was to enable the remote administration firewall exception, i didn't see that one, i do see remote assistance and remote desktop, neither of which are what i need but i turned them on anyway. I do have powershell on this box and added an exception for it so i should be able to access the box via powershell. I'm starting to think the box needs a service on that isn't, either for powershell or remote admin. I am not seeing it. Any suggestions appreciated. Thanks. Dave.

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server 2008 core?
by Dave 21 Sep '09

21 Sep '09

Hello, I've just heard about Windows Server 2008 core. I was wondering if it was usable in terms of installing, administering, and configuring? Thanks. Dave.

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Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Silverlight for MS Exchange admin tools?
by Ryan Shugart 12 Sep '09

12 Sep '09

Andrew: I saw the same thing you did. My understanding is this would not apply to Exchange 2010, but the version after that, if it happens at all. An interesting question, should we try to peswade the Exchange team against Silverlight, or get an accessible version of Silverligh? Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 9:55 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Silverlight for MS Exchange admin tools? Hi all, Just reading various blogs this morning, and came across this: http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/08/27/452169.aspx The Exchange team are considering using Silverlight with some sort of web interface. There is a link there to a survey, which I believe we should take part in in order to express our views about the accessibility of this technology, and what it could mean if more MS interfaces start going down this approach. Thanks. Andrew. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins

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Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Silverlight for MS Exchange admin tools?
by Ryan Shugart 11 Sep '09

11 Sep '09

Andrew: I saw the same thing you did. My understanding is this would not apply to Exchange 2010, but the version after that, if it happens at all. An interesting question, should we try to peswade the Exchange team against Silverlight, or get an accessible version of Silverligh? Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 9:55 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Silverlight for MS Exchange admin tools? Hi all, Just reading various blogs this morning, and came across this: http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/08/27/452169.aspx The Exchange team are considering using Silverlight with some sort of web interface. There is a link there to a survey, which I believe we should take part in in order to express our views about the accessibility of this technology, and what it could mean if more MS interfaces start going down this approach. Thanks. Andrew. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins

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Silverlight for MS Exchange admin tools?
by Andrew Hodgson 11 Sep '09

11 Sep '09

Hi all, Just reading various blogs this morning, and came across this: http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/08/27/452169.aspx The Exchange team are considering using Silverlight with some sort of web interface. There is a link there to a survey, which I believe we should take part in in order to express our views about the accessibility of this technology, and what it could mean if more MS interfaces start going down this approach. Thanks. Andrew.

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Silverlight for MS Exchange admin tools?
by Andrew Hodgson 11 Sep '09

11 Sep '09

Hi all, Just reading various blogs this morning, and came across this: http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/08/27/452169.aspx The Exchange team are considering using Silverlight with some sort of web interface. There is a link there to a survey, which I believe we should take part in in order to express our views about the accessibility of this technology, and what it could mean if more MS interfaces start going down this approach. Thanks. Andrew.

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who here has played with Windows Server 2008 R2?
by Ryan Shugart 10 Sep '09

10 Sep '09

So out of curiosity, has any one here played with Windows Server 2008 R2? I've been messing with it for a few days now. One odd issue I'm seeing is if I RDP into a Windows Server 2008 R2 machine and run a screen reader, the visual display freezes, and nothing goes into the screen reader's offscreen model, but otherwise the screen reader runs. In this case I'm using Window-Eyes 7.1. Out of curiosity is anyone else seeing this with any screen reader? Thanks. Ryan

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who here has played with Windows Server 2008 R2?
by Ryan Shugart 10 Sep '09

10 Sep '09

So out of curiosity, has any one here played with Windows Server 2008 R2? I've been messing with it for a few days now. One odd issue I'm seeing is if I RDP into a Windows Server 2008 R2 machine and run a screen reader, the visual display freezes, and nothing goes into the screen reader's offscreen model, but otherwise the screen reader runs. In this case I'm using Window-Eyes 7.1. Out of curiosity is anyone else seeing this with any screen reader? Thanks. Ryan

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perplexing permissions problem
by Dave 10 Sep '09

10 Sep '09

Hello, I have a perplexing permissions problem that i thought i had, but it's resurfaced. I'm running CentOS 5.3 and it runs an apache web server. The permissions on the web data directory in this case /var/www/secure/data are set to 4775 owner of apache group of webdev. All users that should be allowed to place content are in the webdev group. I was under the impression that any file then placed in that directory would have a owner of apache and a group of webdev permissions of 664. Whenever a locally logged on user adds content permissions are set to 664 but owner and group membership are that of the user who added the files not apache and webdev. The issue is further compounded when a user logs in via ftp and adds files or folders. They are owned by the ftp user and group. Any assistance appreciated. Thanks. Dave.

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wireless router occationally dropping signal
by Dave 04 Sep '09

04 Sep '09

Hello, I've got a 2wire 2701 dsl modem. I've got it in bridged mode since i don't like it's dhcp or firewall abilities so it's wireless nat and other features are off, it's a bridge only. Behind it and serving my network is a Linksys wrt54g2v1 wired and wireless router. It's using the Linksys supplied firmware 1.0.01 although 1.0.03 is out i'm not yet decided to update to that or to a linux firmware package called dd-wrt. Does anyone have this particular router and using either the linksys 1.0.03 or the dd-wrt linux firmware? The problem i'm trying to solve is that occationally the wireless router either drops signal or something interferes with a machine's receiving of it, i haven't figured out which. When this occurs the box needs a power off, wait a second or two, then a power back up it'll usually get it back then. Question, is there a speech-friendly way to determine signal strength in bars of your router and another router not on your network, this is in xp? I've got another one, the machine in question picks it up with only one bar, and dropped a signal. Now it could be either the one bar other network, maybe we're on the same chanel, i have already switched from 6 to 11, or my refrigerator which is in almost perfect line between the machine in question and the router. Moving the machine isn't doable, moving the refrigerator obviously isn't, moving the router might be. I'm not sure if this is causing my occational signal drop, it doesn't happen all the time. I'm just guessing. Any assistance appreciated. Thanks. Dave.

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remote control of a pc with out screen reader in both locations
by Rick Watson 03 Sep '09

03 Sep '09

Good afternoon list, Has anyone ever done remote control of a windows machine without having jaws or some other screen reader installed in both locations. I am looking to do it with jaws installed on only one pc. Thanks Rick

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ASA 5500 question
by Scott Granados 02 Sep '09

02 Sep '09

Hi, getting an error while trying to set up a lan to lan session and google isn't treating me well.;) The error is IKEV1, unable to remove peer from table, no match! Anyone have any clues what this is? The device on the local side is an ASA5520 and the far end is a Pix 515. Thanks Scott

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tutorial for learning perl?
by Dave 01 Sep '09

01 Sep '09

Hello, I'm looking for a perl tutorial. It ideally would be beginner starting, then maybe a little intermediate and that intermediate stuff should ideally be system administration oriented. I've googled and not found one. Anyone have any suggestions? Thanks. Dave.

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I did it again
by Greg B. 01 Sep '09

01 Sep '09

For those who requested Perl materials, I did it again. I did not check where the email came from and responded to the list and thus the attachment will be stripped out by the moderator. Sorry about that. . If you want the material I need a email address. Greg B.

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