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Re: Visual Studio Code accessibility (was Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Microsoft C+AI accessibility team will be at CSUN)
by Jason White 01 Feb '20

01 Feb '20

Chromium accessibility under Linux with Orca is working reasonably well at this point, but it hasn't been officially released, and I don't know whether Electron (used by Visual Studio Code) has caught up yet with the latest Linux accessibility-related changes. You may have to try it with the very latest builds of Electron. I tried VS Code recently on a Windows machine with JAWS. One difficulty that I discovered is that even with word-wrap turned on, if I write long lines of text in the editor, the up/down arrow keys treat each logical line as though it were a single "physical" line (i.e., with no soft line breaks). This makes navigation within long lines awkward. Obviously, when writing Markdown, HTML, LaTeX, etc., one doesn't wish to press enter to end each line. There may be a configuration option that I'm missing. I tried setting word wrap to 80 characters, and also to the size of the viewport, with identical results. On 1/31/20, 09:42, "John G Heim" <jheim(a)math.wisc.edu> wrote: Well, I want to make it clear I am not trying to tell Microsoft how to run it's business but your reasons rely on things that are factually incorrect. Orca is not immature. It is older and approximately as stable as voiceover and nvda. Also, the linux programming cummunity is huge. I don't know the percentage of developers there are for each platform, Windows, Linux, and Mac but I would be shocked if Linux was far behind Windows and even more shocked if it wasn't way ahead of Mac. The internet infrastructure in this country runs on Linux. Every super computer in the world runs Linux. That's where development is heading. On 1/30/20 5:20 PM, Ryan Shugart wrote: > Hi John: > Thanks for your feedback. At this point, we are not targeting accessibility on Linux due to the low usage numbers, and the relative immaturity of the Orca screen reader itself when compared to VoiceOver on mac, or NVDA and JAWS and Narrator on Windows. You can try VS Code on either Mac or Windows and we are actively working on accessibility on both of those platforms, and we have people using the product effectively in both environments. We are also monitoring Linux usage and as it goes up and as the AT solutions mature more, we will reinvestigate making VS Code work there as well. > Ryan > > -----Original Message----- > From: John G Heim <jheim(a)math.wisc.edu> > Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 10:07 AM > To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> > Cc: Ryan Shugart <ryshugar(a)microsoft.com> > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Microsoft C+AI accessibility team will be at CSUN > > I just took part in a usability survey for Visual Studio Code. I wasn't able to get any further than task 1, installation on my Ubuntu Linux system. VSC installed okay on Ubuntu but it seemed completely unusable with the orca screen reader. > > > I haven't found a good IDE for linux yet. > > On 1/30/20 11:56 AM, Ryan Shugart via Blind-sysadmins wrote: >> Hello everyone: >> As in years past, the Microsoft Cloud + AI accessibility team will be at CSUN this year in Anaheim, CA from March 10TH through the 13TH. We won't be running any presentations this year, although we encourage anyone going to check out the many presentations Microsoft is running. As before, I'm extending the offer, if anyone wishes to talk with us about any issues they are running into with C+AI products, please let me know and we can set up lunch or some other time to chat. Products we work with include: >> * Visual Studio >> * Azure Devops >> * Azure >> * Dynamics >> * System Center accept for System Center Configuration Manager >> * Identity related products including consumer Microsoft Account and work or school Azure Active Directory. >> We also have some influence over Windows, including some of the classic Windows Server administration tools such as the MMC-based admin tools. >> If you want to set something up, please reach out to me offlist and we'll make something happen. >> Thanks. >> Ryan >> >> Ryan Shugart >> Program Manager II, Cloud+AI Accessibility Microsoft Corporation >> 425-705-1262 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- >> blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to >> blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org

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Microsoft C+AI accessibility team will be at CSUN
by Ryan Shugart 31 Jan '20

31 Jan '20

Hello everyone: As in years past, the Microsoft Cloud + AI accessibility team will be at CSUN this year in Anaheim, CA from March 10TH through the 13TH. We won't be running any presentations this year, although we encourage anyone going to check out the many presentations Microsoft is running. As before, I'm extending the offer, if anyone wishes to talk with us about any issues they are running into with C+AI products, please let me know and we can set up lunch or some other time to chat. Products we work with include: * Visual Studio * Azure Devops * Azure * Dynamics * System Center accept for System Center Configuration Manager * Identity related products including consumer Microsoft Account and work or school Azure Active Directory. We also have some influence over Windows, including some of the classic Windows Server administration tools such as the MMC-based admin tools. If you want to set something up, please reach out to me offlist and we'll make something happen. Thanks. Ryan Ryan Shugart Program Manager II, Cloud+AI Accessibility Microsoft Corporation 425-705-1262

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VMware Horizon Client
by Jared Stofflett 28 Jan '20

28 Jan '20

I'm a software developer and am interviewing at a company that uses VMware Horizon Client to provide virtual desktops where development is done. Looking at the VPAT did not fill me with confidence that this is something I could use. Does anyone have experience using the client to connect to Windows machines using either NVDA or Jaws as a screen reader?

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Re: EasyBCD
by Eigeldinger Simon 20 Jan '20

20 Jan '20

Hi Ibraam, I don't understand why you want to have the live media on the hd. whats the sense of that? that you could use the cd drive? You also might be interested in using a USB Stick that contains the live media plus a persistent partition to save programs and documents. Greetings, Simon Mit freundlichen Grüßen Simon Eigeldinger Informatik Nebengebäude 1, OG1 Stadt Hohenems Kaiser-Franz-Josef-Straße 4 6845 Hohenems T: +43 5576 7101-1143 | E: simon.eigeldinger(a)hohenems.at | www.hohenems.at Diese Nachricht und allfällige angehängte Dokumente sind vertraulich und nur für den/die Adressaten bestimmt. -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Ibraam Wahib <ibraam.wahib(a)gmail.com> Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Jänner 2020 16:19 An: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Betreff: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: EasyBCD hi Simon i don't want to install it i want to add live linux to boot instad of booting from USP flash or dvd, like we do in winPe thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eigeldinger Simon" <simon.eigeldinger(a)hohenems.at> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2020 8:16 AM Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: EasyBCD Hi, Most distributions have a installer themself. that works pretty well. which distribution of linux do you want to install? Greetings, Simon Mit freundlichen Grüßen Simon Eigeldinger Informatik Nebengebäude 1, OG1 Stadt Hohenems Kaiser-Franz-Josef-Straße 4 6845 Hohenems T: +43 5576 7101-1143 | E: simon.eigeldinger(a)hohenems.at | www.hohenems.at Diese Nachricht und allfällige angehängte Dokumente sind vertraulich und nur für den/die Adressaten bestimmt. -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Ibraam Wahib <ibraam.wahib(a)gmail.com> Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Jänner 2020 01:05 An: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Betreff: [Blind-sysadmins] EasyBCD hello dears I usually use easy BCD to add WinPe to boot menu. instead of booting from DVD or usp ... could I do the same with live Linux? I mean extract live Linux to HD, then ad it to boot menu and boot to live Linux directly from hd instead of using usp? I'm installing windows-32 bit. thanks very much. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org

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Re: Unable to access a Asus router web ui
by Jason White 16 Jan '20

16 Jan '20

If the router supports OpenWRT, you could install that firmware and then configure everything via a Web interface or with an ssh connection on the command line. On 1/13/20, 03:25, "Barry Toner" <barry(a)tonermail.co.uk> wrote: Hi all, I keep getting this message, "This AiCloud account has been locked. “ Wired and wireless connections are working fine, I just can’t even get to the authentication page and need to admin this router. Initial online searches seem to suggest something about WAN http Vs https connections. Trying either or with the Gateway address, and several Asus aliases aren’t loading the admin page. Any suggestions? Resetting the router and setting it back up is very much a last resort…. Cheers, Barry. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org

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Re: EasyBCD
by Eigeldinger Simon 15 Jan '20

15 Jan '20

Hi Ibraam, I don't know. though you might try it. But first backup the PC before you touch anything or try it on a spare pc if you have one around. Also the command that Jason provided might be useful under linux to change the boot order. Greetings, Simon Mit freundlichen Grüßen Simon Eigeldinger Informatik Nebengebäude 1, OG1 Stadt Hohenems Kaiser-Franz-Josef-Straße 4 6845 Hohenems T: +43 5576 7101-1143 | E: simon.eigeldinger(a)hohenems.at | www.hohenems.at Diese Nachricht und allfällige angehängte Dokumente sind vertraulich und nur für den/die Adressaten bestimmt. -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Ibraam Wahib <ibraam.wahib(a)gmail.com> Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Jänner 2020 23:35 An: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Betreff: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: EasyBCD hi simon my computer need sighted to rearange boot menu. i found this program able to do this for windows-pe so, thought that could be done with live linux. i don't recommend using dvd, as it read only i can't save seetings or document inside it. so, could i use easy BCD to boot live linux directly from hd throw boot menu? thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eigeldinger Simon" <simon.eigeldinger(a)hohenems.at> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2020 5:45 PM Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: EasyBCD Hi Ibraam, I don't understand why you want to have the live media on the hd. whats the sense of that? that you could use the cd drive? You also might be interested in using a USB Stick that contains the live media plus a persistent partition to save programs and documents. Greetings, Simon Mit freundlichen Grüßen Simon Eigeldinger Informatik Nebengebäude 1, OG1 Stadt Hohenems Kaiser-Franz-Josef-Straße 4 6845 Hohenems T: +43 5576 7101-1143 | E: simon.eigeldinger(a)hohenems.at | www.hohenems.at Diese Nachricht und allfällige angehängte Dokumente sind vertraulich und nur für den/die Adressaten bestimmt. -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Ibraam Wahib <ibraam.wahib(a)gmail.com> Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Jänner 2020 16:19 An: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Betreff: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: EasyBCD hi Simon i don't want to install it i want to add live linux to boot instad of booting from USP flash or dvd, like we do in winPe thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eigeldinger Simon" <simon.eigeldinger(a)hohenems.at> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2020 8:16 AM Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: EasyBCD Hi, Most distributions have a installer themself. that works pretty well. which distribution of linux do you want to install? Greetings, Simon Mit freundlichen Grüßen Simon Eigeldinger Informatik Nebengebäude 1, OG1 Stadt Hohenems Kaiser-Franz-Josef-Straße 4 6845 Hohenems T: +43 5576 7101-1143 | E: simon.eigeldinger(a)hohenems.at | www.hohenems.at Diese Nachricht und allfällige angehängte Dokumente sind vertraulich und nur für den/die Adressaten bestimmt. -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Ibraam Wahib <ibraam.wahib(a)gmail.com> Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Jänner 2020 01:05 An: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Betreff: [Blind-sysadmins] EasyBCD hello dears I usually use easy BCD to add WinPe to boot menu. instead of booting from DVD or usp ... could I do the same with live Linux? I mean extract live Linux to HD, then ad it to boot menu and boot to live Linux directly from hd instead of using usp? I'm installing windows-32 bit. thanks very much. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org

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Unable to access a Asus router web ui
by Barry Toner 14 Jan '20

14 Jan '20

Hi all, I keep getting this message, "This AiCloud account has been locked. “ Wired and wireless connections are working fine, I just can’t even get to the authentication page and need to admin this router. Initial online searches seem to suggest something about WAN http Vs https connections. Trying either or with the Gateway address, and several Asus aliases aren’t loading the admin page. Any suggestions? Resetting the router and setting it back up is very much a last resort…. Cheers, Barry.

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Office 365 2 factor authentication
by Troy Hergert 14 Jan '20

14 Jan '20

Hello, I'm having difficulty in the office 365 admin center. I have been unable to turn on multi factor authentication for users with my screen reader. I know where the settings are located and I can bring up the users page but there seems to be no way a screen reader can find the controls to a enable or enforce 2 factor authentication. I use jaws with Internet explorer. In the admin center, I go to active users, more settings, multi-factor authentication setup, click the check box for a user. But then there is no way to locate the enable or enforce controls. Has anyone been able to manage this feature in office 365 with a screen reader? Thanks. ### Troy

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Re: EasyBCD
by Eigeldinger Simon 14 Jan '20

14 Jan '20

Hi, Most distributions have a installer themself. that works pretty well. which distribution of linux do you want to install? Greetings, Simon Mit freundlichen Grüßen Simon Eigeldinger Informatik Nebengebäude 1, OG1 Stadt Hohenems Kaiser-Franz-Josef-Straße 4 6845 Hohenems T: +43 5576 7101-1143 | E: simon.eigeldinger(a)hohenems.at | www.hohenems.at Diese Nachricht und allfällige angehängte Dokumente sind vertraulich und nur für den/die Adressaten bestimmt. -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Ibraam Wahib <ibraam.wahib(a)gmail.com> Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Jänner 2020 01:05 An: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Betreff: [Blind-sysadmins] EasyBCD hello dears I usually use easy BCD to add WinPe to boot menu. instead of booting from DVD or usp ... could I do the same with live Linux? I mean extract live Linux to HD, then ad it to boot menu and boot to live Linux directly from hd instead of using usp? I'm installing windows-32 bit. thanks very much. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org

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EasyBCD
by Ibraam Wahib 14 Jan '20

14 Jan '20

hello dears I usually use easy BCD to add WinPe to boot menu. instead of booting from DVD or usp ... could I do the same with live Linux? I mean extract live Linux to HD, then ad it to boot menu and boot to live Linux directly from hd instead of using usp? I'm installing windows-32 bit. thanks very much.

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Fwd: [Special] [nvda] The Status of NVDA Remote and NVDA 2019.3 - The "Last Word" until there's New Information
by Simon Eigeldinger 13 Jan '20

13 Jan '20

-------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht -------- Betreff: [Special] [nvda] The Status of NVDA Remote and NVDA 2019.3 - The "Last Word" until there's New Information Datum: Sun, 12 Jan 2020 10:03:29 -0800 Von: Brian Vogel <britechguy(a)gmail.com> Antwort an: nvda(a)nvda.groups.io An: nvda(a)nvda.groups.io *The Status of NVDA Remote and NVDA 2019.3* : The latest information on NVDA Remote was discussed, at length, in the earlier topic NVDA remote ( https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/topic/nvda_remote/69323538?p=,,,20,0,0,0::rec… ) , which can be reviewed in the NVDA Group Archive by activating the link given. The single message with the greatest detail regarding the current status of NVDA Remote was this one by Joseph Lee ( https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/68245 ). The current NVDA remote will only work with NVDA up through the NVDA 2019.2 release. When any major news about NVDA Remote becomes available you may be assured that it will be announced here. Until and unless that happens, if you must have access to NVDA remote you will need to stay on an NVDA release that is earlier than NVDA 2019.3. There is currently no projected date for getting NVDA Remote functioning with NVDA 2019.3 and later, but the need is recognized. You can find contact information for the NVDA Remote developers at the bottom of the NVDA Remote Access ( https://nvdaremote.com/ ) Home Page. Search for the link, “Christopher Toth and Tyler Spivey,” which is a mailto link for the developers. Questions regarding NVDA Remote should be directed to them unless the functionality were to be integrated into NVDA itself. I have previously stated that I will lock any topic on NVDA Remote until or unless something changes, so this topic is now locked. I am begging the membership at large to simply "watch this space" for updated information once it becomes available rather than continuing to churn out topic after topic regarding NVDA Remote. Also, please review the document: Searching_the_NVDA_Group_Archive.docx ( https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1HexfjlH4pEYnSIMx3-FS1Rztl3J… ) -- Brian *-* Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor. ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#68654): https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/68654 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/69649351/52817 -=-=- NVDA on Groups.io NVDA is developed by NV Access in collaboration with the community. Get NVDA from: <a href="http://www.nvaccess.org/" target="_blank">http://www.nvaccess.org/</a> Your continued donations help keep NVDA development going strong. Donate at: <a href="http://www.nvaccess.org/donate" target="_blank">http://www.nvaccess.org/donate</a> Get NVDA add-ons at: <a href="http://addons.nvda-project.org/" target="_blank">http://addons.nvda-project.org/</a> Other links: NVDA on Facebook: <a href="http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=8601265515" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=8601265515</a> Come talk with other NVDA users on irc.blufudge.net #NVDA -=-=- Group Owner: nvda+owner(a)nvda.groups.io Unsubscribe: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/leave/2885065/1496136485/xyzzy [simon.eigeldinger(a)vol.at] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

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Farbar Recovery Scan Tool
by Darren Brewer 12 Jan '20

12 Jan '20

Hi list After looking through some old sys admin emails I came across a mention of this tool and decided to have a look at what it could do. Both malwarebytes and bleeping computer had download links so decided to download the 32 bit version from the latter. I mostly use my Lenovo thinkpad, but thought I would give the tool a try on an old Asus laptop which I recently upgraded to windows 10. The downloaded file was called FRST.exe. Was just about to rename the file when windows defender popped up with an alert that the file was infected with a ransom ware trojan. Namely. Win32/Bomitag.D!ml. Obviously i immediately removed the threat, but am not sure if this was a false positive as the tool is supposed to recognise ransomware so I am wondering if it contained signatures of ransomware which windows defender may have mistakenly identified. The Asus laptop has nothing on it as it was a clean install of windows 10, however I was using my Lenovo thinkpad when I downloaded this alleged infected file and it has access to my i cloud drive and WD my cloud NAS. Thanks to windows Defender I did not execute the tool or god knows what it might have encrypted. Have googled to see if there are any reports of this tool being infected, but could find nothing, which makes me wonder if it was a real trojan or a false positive. Has anyone else encountered this kind of behaviour from windows defender? This is the first time I have ever encountered ransomware or indeed any kind of trojan for many many years. Thanks Darren. Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

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Re: Office 365 outlook for desktop is out of focus when starting it with JAWS, NVDA or Narrator.
by Jason White 11 Jan '20

11 Jan '20

It's in focus when I started it on either of the Windows 10 systems to which I have access. I don't know what the salient difference between your system and mine might be. On 1/10/20, 22:51, "Anatoliy Shudrya" <anatoliyshudrya(a)hotmail.com> wrote: Office 365 outlook for desktop is out of focus when starting it with JAWS, NVDA or Narrator. Is that normal behavior? I believe it used to always start in the messages pane. Now I have to alt tab to bring it to focus. Is it acting the same way in standard office 2019 apps as well? _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org

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Office 365 outlook for desktop is out of focus when starting it with JAWS, NVDA or Narrator.
by Anatoliy Shudrya 11 Jan '20

11 Jan '20

Office 365 outlook for desktop is out of focus when starting it with JAWS, NVDA or Narrator. Is that normal behavior? I believe it used to always start in the messages pane. Now I have to alt tab to bring it to focus. Is it acting the same way in standard office 2019 apps as well?

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test mail, don't reply
by Eigeldinger Simon 09 Jan '20

09 Jan '20

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Re: Office 365 2 factor authentication
by Jason White 09 Jan '20

09 Jan '20

I don't have administrative access to Office 365, but I did notice that there at least used to be a PowerShell solution: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/archive/blogs/office365/powershell-enablee… You may be able to adapt this if you don't want to apply it to all users. On 1/8/20, 18:07, "Anatoliy Shudrya" <anatoliyshudrya(a)hotmail.com> wrote: Ryan, Unfortunately, some areas of admin center still work better with old Internet Explore. I recall my last experience just a few days ago. I needed to change billing notifications email. First tried Firefox, no luck, then tried Chrome, still wasn't getting anyware. After falling to the last resort of using IE, I was able to find the section and made necessary changes. It's interesting, sometimes the navigation menu does not get read by neither screen reader and the right-side configurations work okay, and sometimes it's vice versa, the navigation menu works good with screen readers and the configuration side glitching. I even had to play the game of turning on and turning off the old/new admin center to get the job done. Well, I probably don't work enough in admin center to find the ultimate combination and that sweet spot. New Edge chromium was still pretty rough when I tried it several month ago. Thanks -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Shugart via Blind-sysadmins <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 1:37 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Cc: Ryan Shugart <ryshugar(a)microsoft.com> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Office 365 2 factor authentication Troy: I'd recommend not using the admin center with Internet Explorer. I'd either use Google Chrome or the new Edge Chromium (not the old Edge) with either JAWS or NVDA. In all honesty, you should be moving away from IE unless there's a site that won't work without it. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Troy Hergert <thergert(a)vision-forward.org> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 11:00 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Blind-sysadmins] Office 365 2 factor authentication Hello, I'm having difficulty in the office 365 admin center. I have been unable to turn on multi factor authentication for users with my screen reader. I know where the settings are located and I can bring up the users page but there seems to be no way a screen reader can find the controls to a enable or enforce 2 factor authentication. I use jaws with Internet explorer. In the admin center, I go to active users, more settings, multi-factor authentication setup, click the check box for a user. But then there is no way to locate the enable or enforce controls. Has anyone been able to manage this feature in office 365 with a screen reader? Thanks. ### Troy _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org

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starting a career in IT
by Mike Fulton 08 Jan '20

08 Jan '20

Hello, I have been subscribed to this list for quite some time but haven't posted much. My name is Mike, and I graduated with a B.S. degree in IT about a year and a half ago. I have been struggling to get a job in IT to start my career. I am now in the process of studying for my CompTIA A+ certification, and then I'm going to start studying for MCSA. I was fortunate enough to ge able to get these costs covered by my state rehab agency. I have a few questions about starting my career, and am mainly looking for pointers, tips, tricks, etc. Would you agree that I'm getting the correct certs? My goal is to specialise in sysadmin or network admin. What general tips, tricks, and pointers do you have? What screen reader have you found works best to have on a thumb drive for accessing other systems? What other tools and techniques have you found useful? Any help and info you can provide is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Mike

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Microsoft Teams help
by Andrew Hodgson 07 Jan '20

07 Jan '20

Hi, Moving from Slack to Teams. Am getting on with the interface but wondered if anyone else was using it? I am members of a few different teams and I am struggling to work out what I need to read or not at the start of the day, i.e, unread messages. Also I am not sure exactly what is going on in the left hand pane where I can switch between teams and direct messages. Any idea of the best way of doing this? Thanks. Andrew.

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not recieving digest e-mails
by startrektech＠techie.com 25 Dec '19

25 Dec '19

hi. not receiving any e-mails or confirmations. can the admin please make sure that I am not bouncing. also with windows server, wondering, with windows 10, which control panel items will be moving from control panel to settings for windows 10, and also windows server.also what other accessible software tools do you use to remote into other systems and to connect other machines, servers, and other products. thanks.ps: and what screen readers works with those tools or products.

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Samsung's Mac Address Vendor prefix?
by David Mehler 16 Dec '19

16 Dec '19

Hello, Does anyone know if Samsung has got a new Mac address vendor prefix? I just checked my router and noticed something my s7 and a new s9 has a completely different vendor prefix. In the case of my s7 it is: 4C:66:41 while the s9 is: 10:98:C3 Just curious. Thanks. Dave.

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Re: nvdaremote.com down
by Eigeldinger Simon 13 Dec '19

13 Dec '19

As did his other software projects like chicken nugget and the qube. No announcement or whatever. Just stopping. Oh well. Maybe the main NVDA development team might work on a implementation in newer nvda main releases. at least according to one ticket i have read though i have no url at the moment. Greetings, Simon Mit freundlichen Grüßen Simon Eigeldinger Informatik Nebengebäude 1, OG1 Stadt Hohenems Kaiser-Franz-Josef-Straße 4 6845 Hohenems T: +43 5576 7101-1143 | E: simon.eigeldinger(a)hohenems.at | www.hohenems.at Diese Nachricht und allfällige angehängte Dokumente sind vertraulich und nur für den/die Adressaten bestimmt. -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. Dezember 2019 15:36 An: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Betreff: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: nvdaremote.com down Hi, This always seems to be the problem with the software that this individual (Chris) works on, and is why I never used the software after I found out that he wasn't making the server available. I guess we are now stuck with hosting our own unofficial server. Andrew. ________________________________________ From: Jackie McBride [abletec(a)gmail.com] Sent: 12 December 2019 13:36 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: nvdaremote.com down Domain seems to have expired, in fact. Nice! On 12/12/19, Eigeldinger Simon <simon.eigeldinger(a)hohenems.at> wrote: > Hi all, > > For those who where using the remote relay server on nvdaremote.com. > The website seems to be offline for a few days now. > I guess that also might stay that way. > No updates since september 2018. > > Greetings, > Simon > > > > Mit freundlichen Grüßen > > Simon Eigeldinger > Informatik > Nebengebäude 1, OG1 > > [Hohenems_logo]Stadt Hohenems > Kaiser-Franz-Josef-Straße 4 > 6845 Hohenems > T: +43 5576 7101-1143 | E: simon.eigeldinger(a)hohenems.at | www.hohenems.at > > Diese Nachricht und allfällige angehängte Dokumente sind vertraulich und nur > für den/die Adressaten bestimmt. > -- Subscribe to a WordPress for Newbies Mailing List by sending a message to: wp4newbs-request(a)freelists.org with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by visiting the list page at http://www.freelists.org/list/wp4newbs & check out my sites at www.brighter-vision.com & www.mysitesbeenhacked.com _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org

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nvdaremote.com down
by Eigeldinger Simon 12 Dec '19

12 Dec '19

Hi all, For those who where using the remote relay server on nvdaremote.com. The website seems to be offline for a few days now. I guess that also might stay that way. No updates since september 2018. Greetings, Simon Mit freundlichen Grüßen Simon Eigeldinger Informatik Nebengebäude 1, OG1 [Hohenems_logo]Stadt Hohenems Kaiser-Franz-Josef-Straße 4 6845 Hohenems T: +43 5576 7101-1143 | E: simon.eigeldinger(a)hohenems.at | www.hohenems.at Diese Nachricht und allfällige angehängte Dokumente sind vertraulich und nur für den/die Adressaten bestimmt.

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Re: nvdaremote.com down
by Eigeldinger Simon 12 Dec '19

12 Dec '19

btw. here is one of the relay servers. i guess it is still active: https://jc-hosting.me/nvdaremote.php If someone needs the repos: Server: https://github.com/jmdaweb/NVDARemoteServer/ Though i guess thats not the official server. Addon: https://github.com/nvdaremote/nvdaremote/ Greetings, Simon Mit freundlichen Grüßen Simon Eigeldinger Informatik Nebengebäude 1, OG1 Stadt Hohenems Kaiser-Franz-Josef-Straße 4 6845 Hohenems T: +43 5576 7101-1143 | E: simon.eigeldinger(a)hohenems.at | www.hohenems.at Diese Nachricht und allfällige angehängte Dokumente sind vertraulich und nur für den/die Adressaten bestimmt. -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Jackie McBride <abletec(a)gmail.com> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. Dezember 2019 14:37 An: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Betreff: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: nvdaremote.com down Domain seems to have expired, in fact. Nice! On 12/12/19, Eigeldinger Simon <simon.eigeldinger(a)hohenems.at> wrote: > Hi all, > > For those who where using the remote relay server on nvdaremote.com. > The website seems to be offline for a few days now. > I guess that also might stay that way. > No updates since september 2018. > > Greetings, > Simon > > > > Mit freundlichen Grüßen > > Simon Eigeldinger > Informatik > Nebengebäude 1, OG1 > > [Hohenems_logo]Stadt Hohenems > Kaiser-Franz-Josef-Straße 4 > 6845 Hohenems > T: +43 5576 7101-1143 | E: simon.eigeldinger(a)hohenems.at | www.hohenems.at > > Diese Nachricht und allfällige angehängte Dokumente sind vertraulich und nur > für den/die Adressaten bestimmt. > -- Subscribe to a WordPress for Newbies Mailing List by sending a message to: wp4newbs-request(a)freelists.org with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by visiting the list page at http://www.freelists.org/list/wp4newbs & check out my sites at www.brighter-vision.com & www.mysitesbeenhacked.com _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org

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Re: NVDA remote
by Anatoliy Shudrya 06 Dec '19

06 Dec '19

Hi, I don’t want to resurrect old topic, just wanted to share my findings. I was able to configure NVDA remote on a server without sound card and get it to work. On a controlling machine. I have configured NVDA remote as a server, control another machine, generated key, saved key, okay. On a remote machine, installed NVDA remote, configured the machine as client, allow this machine to be controlled. Pasted key entered host name, okay. Went to NVDA remote options and checked enable auto startup/auto-connect. In the NVDA options, I have enabled NVDA to start on the logon screen and after logon. F11 does not work no matter what. Windows firewalls off, it says controlling remote server but nothing happens. I am on the same local network, not even via VPN or anything like that. The NVDA 2019 is working now over RDP. When everything is configured to start automatically, all I have to do, is just connect via RDP and I have working NVDA. In my case I didn’t have to start audio service and no sound card on server 2008. Basically establish NVDA remote connection first and then RDP in. It’s not that bad if you don’t have access to the JAWS screen reader. I am happy to see it working via remote desktop protocol. -----Original Message----- From: Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger(a)vol.at> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 11:17 AM To: Anatoliy Shudrya <anatoliyshudrya(a)hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: NVDA remote Hi, Now i see which problem you seem to have. When you have some connection you go to the nvda menu and go to tools and then to nvda remote. then you go to options. then you can enable to start the remote plugin at start up of nvda and connect to a server. then enter the host and a defined key. that should fix it. Greetings, Simon Am 30.11.2019 um 20:13 schrieb Anatoliy Shudrya: > Hi, > > I have tested again via VPN, waited for about 15 mins, the client still did not connect to server. > > Tested on a local network, connected no problem and was able to control remote machine within couple of seconds. > > It is really inconvenient to start NVDA on the remote machine, navigate to remote control and generate new key every time I’d like to control machine remotely. Not only that, I need to think of a way how to transfer the key to the client machine. Every time NVDA restarted, it loses its generated key, bummer! > > This kind of setup does not seem to be very practical for me. I probably better off be using team viewer or LogMeIn when JAWS and remote desktop gives me hard time. > > I still want to test setup without sound card. I have one old 2008 server at work. I will RDP in, use JAWS 2020 to configure NVDA remote settings and then try to connect with client. I will see where it gets me next week. > > So far, JAWS is the king in remote controlling. They even fixed where you don’t have to turn off and turn on JAWS on the remote machine when ever you reconnect, simply Awesome! > > Thank you Simon for the NVDA remote tips. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger(a)vol.at> > Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 8:59 AM > To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>; > Anatoliy Shudrya <anatoliyshudrya(a)hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: NVDA remote > > Hi, > > Should actually work as you describe. > What i have noticed is that NVDA needs a longer time to connect when using win 10 or server 2016 and 2019. > I had to wait around 30 seconds up to 1 minute to get a connection. > > Greetings, > Simon > > > Am 30.11.2019 um 07:18 schrieb Anatoliy Shudrya: >> Hi, >> >> I have ran a quick test this evening. >> >> VPN into my work network, windows firewalls off. Installed NVDA remote on my office PC, generated key, selected server option. >> >> On my home PC, installed NVDA remote, selected client, control remote computer, okay, connected successful. >> >> When I press F11, it says controlling remote computer, but nothing happens with my keyboard. I tried to tab, error keys, windows key, just nothing. Am I missing something? I press F11 one more time and it says controlling local computer. >> >> Scripts and share drive sounds like a great idea, but I don’t work very often deploying new servers or remotely controlling desktops. Just small projects here and there, mostly with physical servers/desktops. I guess wanted to try out NVDA remote options and experience out of the box experience. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger(a)vol.at> >> Sent: Friday, November 29, 2019 12:05 PM >> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org>; >> mattias jonsson <mj(a)mjw.se> >> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: NVDA remote >> >> Hi, >> >> On my servers we also don't have sound. >> I let my sighted friends install NVDA. >> I also made a script that installs nvda silently. >> then i let copy the nvda icon on the public desktop which loads the shared nvda settings from a server so you can press a shortcut when logged in which automatically connects to the nvda remote server. >> >> Greetings, >> Simon >> >> >> Am 29.11.2019 um 18:15 schrieb mattias jonsson: >>> My vm dont have any sound drivers >>> But you have to do: >>> Net start audiosrv >>> >>> Skickades från >>> E-post<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A% >>> 2 >>> F%2Feur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com%2F%3Furl%3Dhttps%253A%252 >>> F >>> &data=02%7C01%7C%7C701caaf296034a3626f808d775b6ae5a%7C84df9e7fe9 >>> f >>> 640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637107299776371123&sdata=5rvN8ra >>> P >>> F60pjWt8Misigyoimnh9toH6OwW%2F7ukSQU4%3D&reserved=0 >>> %2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&data=02%7C01%7 >>> C >>> % >>> 7C56971eff598944edd82008d77507a8ce%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaa >>> a >>> % >>> 7C1%7C0%7C637106548060844057&sdata=IC%2BlrdwU8l97rLDf7Knc%2FvYUg >>> d L GALK9307rJ1pE7HA%3D&reserved=0> för Windows 10 >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> Från: Anatoliy Shudrya <anatoliyshudrya(a)hotmail.com> >>> Skickat: Friday, November 29, 2019 6:00:04 PM >>> Till: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>> Ämne: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: NVDA remote >>> >>> I was going to try NVDA remote in my recent server 2019 setup/builds but wasn't sure if it will work without sound card on a server. With JAWS, I setup JAWS on the server, RDP in and continue my work, really awesome. With NVDA remote, it seamed to have way too many steps to setup and connect to. >>> >>> Does anybody know if NVDA remote will work without sound card/drivers on the remote server? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: mattias jonsson <mj(a)mjw.se> >>> Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2019 12:25 AM >>> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] NVDA remote >>> >>> Yes i Think i have asked this Before But lets say you have a windows >>> vps I have a server 2012 vps with NVDA 2018.2 And try to get the >>> impossible nvdaremote to work I set allow this pc to be controled on >>> the server 2012 And set Control Another machine on my laptop >>> Relay: nvdaremote.com >>> I Think i can connect >>> But cant do nothing.. >>> >>> >>> >>> Skickades från >>> E-post<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A% >>> 2 >>> F%2Feur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com%2F%3Furl%3Dhttps%253A%252 >>> F >>> &data=02%7C01%7C%7C701caaf296034a3626f808d775b6ae5a%7C84df9e7fe9 >>> f >>> 640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637107299776381128&sdata=xMzmV3Y >>> 9 >>> kakJF6IZkUi%2B5Mtp1lYrFraPRed6g62YIYw%3D&reserved=0 >>> %2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&data=02%7C01%7 >>> C >>> % >>> 7C56971eff598944edd82008d77507a8ce%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaa >>> a >>> % >>> 7C1%7C0%7C637106548060844057&sdata=IC%2BlrdwU8l97rLDf7Knc%2FvYUg >>> d L GALK9307rJ1pE7HA%3D&reserved=0> för Windows 10 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- >>> blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>> blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- >>> blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>> blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- >>> blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>> blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- >> blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to >> blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- >> blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to >> blind-sysadmins-leave(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>

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Passive Wireless monitoring with a Raspberry Pi
by David Mehler 06 Dec '19

06 Dec '19

Hello, I'm wanting to set up a wireless passive network monitor and i'd prefer to use a Raspberry Pi to do it. Here's my situation, I've got a wireless network and I'm needing to monitor it and to be alerted if certain devices log on to it. I'd prefer those alerts to come via either texts, emails, or both. I have a list of Mac addresses for safe devices that should be considered safe and no action should be taken should they be detected, but anything else should trigger an alert. Currently I have to check my cable-provider's router (I do not like it), to get this information, an RPI, one that is hooked up to the network would make this much easier. This is exclusively for my network, I'm not interested in addresses associated with other nearby networks, and i'd prefer to monitor both the 2.4 and 5GHz ranges. Does anyone have a Pi doing this? Thanks. Dave.

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