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Fortinet or paloalto Next Gen Firewalls
by Billy Irwin 09 Jun '18

09 Jun '18

Greetings Group, Have any of you ever dealt with Fortinet or paloalto Next Gen Firewalls and their accessibility? I am looking to purchase 2 of them to secure our networks and replace our existing OpenVPN solution. Thanks, Billy L. Irwin Systems Administrator Elauwit Networks

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Big upgrade to the lists
by Andrew Hodgson 05 Jun '18

05 Jun '18

Hi all, Just to let you know there has been a major Mailman upgrade on the lists.hodgsonfamily.org lists and this means that the interface is quite different on the web side now. Hopefully everything is self explanatory but let me know if you have any issues. Likewise there may be some issues we need to work through as the system beds in. Thanks, Andrew.

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Quick assist with screen reader?
by Ryan Mann 01 Jun '18

01 Jun '18

Windows 10 has a built-in feature to give remote assistance called Quick Assist. Has anybody used this with NVDA or JAWS? I am able to connect to the other person’s computer, but I can’t seem to actually control it. When I do something such as hitting the Windows key, the start menu is opened on my computer, not there’s. If they do something, neither JAWS or NVDA reads the output. I thought somebody told me this was accessible, but maybe not? Thanks. Ryan Mann Computer Instructor/IT Specialist Center For The Visually Impaired DaytonaBeach, FL 32114 Phone: 386-253-8879 EXT 111

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Jaws and Skype for Business
by Chamandeep Singh Grover 01 Jun '18

01 Jun '18

Hi All, The company I work for Is soon switching to Skype for Business as the internal communication tool from Cisco Jabber. As you may know, Skype for business is a rebranding of the older Lync software. Does anyone have experience of its accessibility and any additional steps one must take to enhance the usability of this? I know that there are some scripts around, but wanted to get peoples' thoughts. Thank you Chamandeep Singh Grover

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Jaws and Skype for Business
by Chamandeep Singh Grover 01 Jun '18

01 Jun '18

Hi All, The company I work for Is soon switching to Skype for Business as the internal communication tool from Cisco Jabber. As you may know, Skype for business is a rebranding of the older Lync software. Does anyone have experience of its accessibility and any additional steps one must take to enhance the usability of this? I know that there are some scripts around, but wanted to get peoples' thoughts. Thank you Chamandeep Singh Grover

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Service now - is it as usable as it could be with a screen reader
by Andrew Hodgson 01 Jun '18

01 Jun '18

Hi, I have just started using Service Now as part of my new job. i am mainly raising change control items, and adding to tickets. I am finding it a slog to use with JFW and Chrome/Firefox. It is very unclear when fields are read only, there seems to be non-standard combo boxes on the fields, and I am often shunted around on the page for no reason. Is anyone else having similar experiences? i don't know to what extent the system is customisable by the company, even though it is hosted by Service Now. Thanks. Andrew.

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Service now - is it as usable as it could be with a screen reader
by Andrew Hodgson 01 Jun '18

01 Jun '18

Hi, I have just started using Service Now as part of my new job. i am mainly raising change control items, and adding to tickets. I am finding it a slog to use with JFW and Chrome/Firefox. It is very unclear when fields are read only, there seems to be non-standard combo boxes on the fields, and I am often shunted around on the page for no reason. Is anyone else having similar experiences? i don't know to what extent the system is customisable by the company, even though it is hosted by Service Now. Thanks. Andrew.

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hexadecimal in braille?
by Samuel Barnes 31 May '18

31 May '18

How is hex indicated in braille? Constantly having to escape strings of digits and letters with the number and letter signs sounds super bulky. I know 8 dot braille uses dropped numbers, but that would make letters and digits harder to discern.

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kali accessible?
by David Mehler 30 May '18

30 May '18

Hello, Does anyone have Kali linux post-install speech accessible? I can get it installed in to a vm with speech but then on reboot I loose speech, I also do not have network ssh ability. Thanks. Dave.

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office products for the pc
by Isaac 28 May '18

28 May '18

Hi, is there a way to get of the rribben or an easy way to learn it, because it seems to be more bulky then old menus? THanks: Isaac

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Accessible and effective hardware diagnostic tools? (Linux/Windows)
by Jason White 28 May '18

28 May '18

I have a relatively new laptop that is causing trouble. Symptoms include Windows kernel crashes with various bug check codes reported in the logs, seemingly random program crashes, and Microsoft Outlook data file corruption (even after deleting the .ost files and re-creating them). This machine has been returned to the manufacturer under warranty, but they failed to find any hardware problem, choosing to re-install Windows as a remedy, which didn’t last. (i.e., data corruption and program crashes recurred). A local hardware repair vendor also failed to find any issue. To be fair, the BIOS-level tests didn’t reveal any hardware problems when my colleagues at work ran them. However, Microsoft Memory Diagnostics repeatedly report bad pages. After running the Memory Diagnostic again last week, the system appears to have crashed, then rebooted, reporting drive errors that it “fixed” by returning to a restore point when the repair operation failed. I ran Memory Diagnostics again, this time returning the report below in the Windows logs. I plan to install Linux on this machine, possibly in a dual-boot configuration, but I want to identify and detect any hardware issue first. Are there additional tools, preferably screen reader accessible, that I could run either under Linux (e.g., a GRML or Arch installation image written to a USB device) or Microsoft Windows that would help to identify the underlying problem – whether it’s a RAM module, the system board, the SSD, etc.? Any other advice would be appreciated, as I’m not receiving quality diagnosis from the vendor or a third party company that I’ve tried. Here’s the Memory Diagnostics report: + System - Provider [ Name] Microsoft-Windows-MemoryDiagnostics-Results [ Guid] {5F92BC59-248F-4111-86A9-E393E12C6139} EventID 1102 Version 0 Level 2 Task 0 Opcode 0 Keywords 0x8000000000000000 - TimeCreated [ SystemTime] 2018-05-26T03:58:10.809049100Z EventRecordID 2272 Correlation - Execution [ ProcessID] 7656 [ ThreadID] 1100 Channel System Computer jpw.jasonjgw.net - Security [ UserID] S-1-5-18 - UserData - Results LaunchType Manual CompletionType Fail MemorySize 32574 TestType 10 TestDuration 3577 TestCount 12 NumPagesTested 8289129 NumPagesUnTested 1535 NumBadPages 2 T1NumBadPages 0 T2NumBadPages 0 T3NumBadPages 0 T4NumBadPages 0 T5NumBadPages 0 T6NumBadPages 0 T7NumBadPages 0 T8NumBadPages 0 T9NumBadPages 2 T10NumBadPages 0 T11NumBadPages 0 T12NumBadPages 0 T13NumBadPages 0 T14NumBadPages 0 T15NumBadPages 0 T16NumBadPages 0

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kali accessible?
by David Mehler 25 May '18

25 May '18

Hello, Does anyone have Kali linux post-install speech accessible? I can get it installed in to a vm with speech but then on reboot I loose speech, I also do not have network ssh ability. Thanks. Dave.

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Ubiquiti routers
by Christian 24 May '18

24 May '18

Hi all, How accessible are those routers? I tried the web interface, but it is not that accessible. Many thanks, Christian

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Terminal emulators
by Samuel Barnes 24 May '18

24 May '18

What are y'all's terminal emulator of choice? SecureCRT seems to be the one to beat, or at least it's the sole commercial offering I've been exposed to. It's got some accessibility issues with NVDA, like not reading text when routing the cursor around. Vandyke software has an accessibility page that just points you to a 3rd party JAWS script and says have at it. Not owning JAWS puts me out of the loop there. What about the Mac and Linux versions? Do they work with VoiceOver or Orca? What about alternatives (preferably free ones)? I like how secureCRT organizes sessions into folders, stores passwords, and has tabs. The builtin TFTP server is also nice. Is there anything free that comes close to that feature set?

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Terminal emulators
by Samuel Barnes 24 May '18

24 May '18

What are y'all's terminal emulator of choice? SecureCRT seems to be the one to beat, or at least it's the sole commercial offering I've been exposed to. It's got some accessibility issues with NVDA, like not reading text when routing the cursor around. Vandyke software has an accessibility page that just points you to a 3rd party JAWS script and says have at it. Not owning JAWS puts me out of the loop there. What about the Mac and Linux versions? Do they work with VoiceOver or Orca? What about alternatives (preferably free ones)? I like how secureCRT organizes sessions into folders, stores passwords, and has tabs. The builtin TFTP server is also nice. Is there anything free that comes close to that feature set?

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Mac OS remote desktop with speech feedback?
by Barry Toner 22 May '18

22 May '18

Hi all, I'm aware that it is probably just as handy to jump into terminal and administer through the CLI but the job I am looking at is very faig about what the remote work would be. Can VO be used in a remote desktop scenario and if so what is the general latency like real-world? Cheers. Barry.

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Ansible training
by Phil Rigby 22 May '18

22 May '18

Hi, I've pinched a thread and changed the title. Kelly, you mentioned Ansible which is something I am very interested in learning more about as it is increasingly discussed and used in my area at work. I have tried to use the training provided by Red Hat via the SumTotal training system but it is not at all good access-wise. I did also try to do some AWS training through amazon but found that they also used the sumTotal system and this meant the AWS training was equally inaccessible. Have you or anyone else found good accessible training courses for Ansible particularly? I know, as we all do, that the best training is to get on and do it but that isn't always possible in the work situation so I was looking for some kind of training I could follow that is reasonably accessible. Thanks, Phil. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Kelly Prescott Sent: 19 May 2018 02:15 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] AWS administration I am late to this reply, but I also use awscli I use it on my Linux machine in the shell and it has python bindings so I can write python to do stuff. I am starting to try and use ansible to make aws configs and I'll see how that goes. I think I started using the cli interface to AWS in either 2010 or 2011. -- Kelly Prescott On Wed, 16 May 2018, Ian Sharpe wrote: > Hi Andrew > > Interesting. The support team who responded to my query didn't seem to be aware of any AWS CLI? I'll take a look at it when I get a chance but feel free to pass on any significant limitations you may have came across while using it. > > I assume that you are using PowerShell to essentially script the AWS CLI interactions and that you are not able to use the AWS CLI in a PowerShell pipeline? > > With regards to Terraform... I was under the impression that this was used to essentially "terra form" an entire environment, rather than actually enable you to manage resources within an existing environment? To create and manage an environment template if you will. However, from you say, it sounds like it is much more than this so may be I need to take another look at is as I know Azure support Terraform as well. > > Cheers > Ian > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson > Sent: 16 May 2018 10:58 > To: Blind sysadmins list > Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] AWS administration > > Hi, > > I managed a load of stuff in AWS for over 2 years and didn't go near the GUI very much. Using the AWS CLI plus PowerShell module. Also I used Terraform to compose the infrastructure - not Cloudformation. > > In Azure I use a mix of ARM templates and Terraform as well as using Octopus Deploy and TeamCity in the company I work for now. > > Andrew. > ________________________________________ > From: Blind-sysadmins [blind-sysadmins-bounces(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org] on behalf of Ian Sharpe [ISharpe(a)mbws.org.im] > Sent: 16 May 2018 09:52 > To: Blind sysadmins list > Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] AWS administration > > Following on from a comment made in another thread, I would be very interested to know how others are able to manage AWS resources using a screen reader? > > I have spent considerable time trying to use the AWS web interface to initially just try to manage a single VM (EC2 instance), and was unable to even stop and start this resource using a screen reader. > > I raised this with Amazon and asked whether they had an alternative way to manage AWS resources but the response I received suggested that the support didn't really understand the issue. This was a little surprising as in general, whenever I have raised accessibility related issues with Amazon they've been all over it, but not on this occasion unfortunately. They also said that they didn't provide a command line tool to manage AWS resources, as is the case with Powershell or the Azure CLI and Azure. > > As a result, I decided my time would be better spent focusing on Azure. Indeed, I decided not to apply for a couple of roles which were advertised recently because they involved AWS. > > So I'd be really interested to hear whether others are able to manage AWS resources using a screen reader and whether they feel they can be reasonably productive? > > Thanks in advance. > > Ian > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson > Sent: 15 May 2018 21:47 > To: Blind sysadmins list > Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] simulations in certification exams > > Hi, > > In a word you are pretty much screwed. Sorry but at the moment that is the best way I feel I cam sum up the process. I have done these simulation questions with a reader and it is all very much dependant on the technical expertees of the reader at the time. I spent a lot of money in 2011 getting certified with a load of MS qualifications, and I don't anticipate getting any further ones anytime soon because of the trouble it took. What is worse is we can now do these exams from home with a webcam, which means that a lot of test centres have shut down. However if you need special circumstances you can't do it from home at all. > > On the other hand I am wondering whether employers are asking for these as much as they used to? Maybe the type of work I am doing doesn't warrant them so much (working with mainly cloud automation in Azure and AWS). > > Welcome to the list by the way. > Andrew. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Blind-sysadmins <blind-sysadmins-bounces(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> On Behalf Of Samuel Barnes > Sent: 15 May 2018 21:13 > To: blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org > Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] simulations in certification exams > > I'm new to this mailing list, and to mailing lists in general, so please let me know if I'm not following established rules. > > How do you handle certification exams that have simulation questions? The > A+ and CCNA both had sim questions that I struggled through--especially > A+ the > CCNA, because the combination of Pearson's testing environment and ZoomText made the screens hard to navigate. I've lost more vision recently and am not sure if I'll be able to complete these types of questions. 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Mac OS remote desktop with speech feedback?
by Barry Toner 20 May '18

20 May '18

Hi all, I'm aware that it is probably just as handy to jump into terminal and administer through the CLI but the job I am looking at is very faig about what the remote work would be. Can VO be used in a remote desktop scenario and if so what is the general latency like real-world? Cheers. Barry.

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AWS administration
by Ian Sharpe 16 May '18

16 May '18

Following on from a comment made in another thread, I would be very interested to know how others are able to manage AWS resources using a screen reader? I have spent considerable time trying to use the AWS web interface to initially just try to manage a single VM (EC2 instance), and was unable to even stop and start this resource using a screen reader. I raised this with Amazon and asked whether they had an alternative way to manage AWS resources but the response I received suggested that the support didn't really understand the issue. This was a little surprising as in general, whenever I have raised accessibility related issues with Amazon they've been all over it, but not on this occasion unfortunately. They also said that they didn't provide a command line tool to manage AWS resources, as is the case with Powershell or the Azure CLI and Azure. As a result, I decided my time would be better spent focusing on Azure. Indeed, I decided not to apply for a couple of roles which were advertised recently because they involved AWS. So I'd be really interested to hear whether others are able to manage AWS resources using a screen reader and whether they feel they can be reasonably productive? Thanks in advance. Ian -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: 15 May 2018 21:47 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] simulations in certification exams Hi, In a word you are pretty much screwed. Sorry but at the moment that is the best way I feel I cam sum up the process. I have done these simulation questions with a reader and it is all very much dependant on the technical expertees of the reader at the time. I spent a lot of money in 2011 getting certified with a load of MS qualifications, and I don't anticipate getting any further ones anytime soon because of the trouble it took. What is worse is we can now do these exams from home with a webcam, which means that a lot of test centres have shut down. However if you need special circumstances you can't do it from home at all. On the other hand I am wondering whether employers are asking for these as much as they used to? Maybe the type of work I am doing doesn't warrant them so much (working with mainly cloud automation in Azure and AWS). Welcome to the list by the way. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins <blind-sysadmins-bounces(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> On Behalf Of Samuel Barnes Sent: 15 May 2018 21:13 To: blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] simulations in certification exams I'm new to this mailing list, and to mailing lists in general, so please let me know if I'm not following established rules. How do you handle certification exams that have simulation questions? The A+ and CCNA both had sim questions that I struggled through--especially A+ the CCNA, because the combination of Pearson's testing environment and ZoomText made the screens hard to navigate. I've lost more vision recently and am not sure if I'll be able to complete these types of questions. Pearson VUE's accommodations team offered the use of a scribe/reader, but I don't see how that could work on anything but multiple choice questions. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins

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simulations in certification exams
by Samuel Barnes 16 May '18

16 May '18

I'm new to this mailing list, and to mailing lists in general, so please let me know if I'm not following established rules. How do you handle certification exams that have simulation questions? The A+ and CCNA both had sim questions that I struggled through--especially the CCNA, because the combination of Pearson's testing environment and ZoomText made the screens hard to navigate. I've lost more vision recently and am not sure if I'll be able to complete these types of questions. Pearson VUE's accommodations team offered the use of a scribe/reader, but I don't see how that could work on anything but multiple choice questions.

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simulations in certification exams
by Samuel Barnes 15 May '18

15 May '18

I'm new to this mailing list, and to mailing lists in general, so please let me know if I'm not following established rules. How do you handle certification exams that have simulation questions? The A+ and CCNA both had sim questions that I struggled through--especially the CCNA, because the combination of Pearson's testing environment and ZoomText made the screens hard to navigate. I've lost more vision recently and am not sure if I'll be able to complete these types of questions. Pearson VUE's accommodations team offered the use of a scribe/reader, but I don't see how that could work on anything but multiple choice questions.

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label makers
by Kelly Prescott 10 May '18

10 May '18

What do you all find a good alternative to ordinary label makers like you label cables and servers with? I often do installs, and we are expected to label equipment. Does anyone have experience with a accessible alternative? I see that some of the brother label makers have USB interfaces, maybe that would work, but I haven't tried it. Any thoughts, observations, or suggestions would be appreciated. -- Kelly Prescott

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Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Freedom scientific accessibility display driver and RDP
by Jason White 01 May '18

01 May '18

I'm not familiar with the issue, but note that the latest JAWS 2018 release now includes an "accessibility driver" option that you can uncheck. If I am understanding the release notes correctly, this will enable newer data gathering techniques as an alternative to relying on the JAWS video driver to build an off-screen model, thereby no longer using the driver. You might still receive the error message if you uncheck this setting, but at least the display driver won't be used (assuming that I'm properly interpreting the release notes). On 4/24/18, 17:05, "Blind-sysadmins on behalf of Anatoliy Shudrya" <blind-sysadmins-bounces(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org on behalf of anatoliyshudrya(a)hotmail.com> wrote: Got it, Thanks for the info. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins <blind-sysadmins-bounces(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> On Behalf Of Timothy Spaulding Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 1:55 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Freedom scientific accessibility display driver and RDP Hi, This issue is known both by VFO and Microsoft. However, there is no quick and/or current fix for it. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins <blind-sysadmins-bounces(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> On Behalf Of Anatoliy Shudrya Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 4:52 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Freedom scientific accessibility display driver and RDP Hi, When I RDP to remote PC on windows 10. Latest OS, latest JAWS 2018, I get JFW alert "The freedom scientific accessibility display driver is not installed properly, pls do the repair etc. Is this something related to the display driver of my Lenovo machine? I have tried to remotely reinstall JAWS, I still get the error. Anybody experiences same thing? Is there quick solution to this without performing JAWS repair? If this is not sys admin related, please forgive. D Kind Regards Anatoliy _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.hod… _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.hod… _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins

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Video screen capture software.
by Darragh Ó Héiligh 30 Apr '18

30 Apr '18

This is a little off topic but it relates to system administration in a way. I need to record a number of instructional videos. Camtazia is something I've used for this before but I didn't find it completely accessible. Based on feedback from previous videos: I'm looking for the following functions. 1. While recording, zoom into the area around the control that has focus or alternatively, the area of the screen containing the mouse. 2. Enable me to move through the video easily and select parts for deletion. 3. Enable me to speed up segments of the video. For example when waiting for installers to finish. 4. Enable me to paste screen shots or other graphics at specific points. Has anyone needed to do this? If so, what have you used? Thanks Darragh

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Video screen capture software.
by Darragh Ó Héiligh 30 Apr '18

30 Apr '18

This is a little off topic but it relates to system administration in a way. I need to record a number of instructional videos. Camtazia is something I've used for this before but I didn't find it completely accessible. Based on feedback from previous videos: I'm looking for the following functions. 1. While recording, zoom into the area around the control that has focus or alternatively, the area of the screen containing the mouse. 2. Enable me to move through the video easily and select parts for deletion. 3. Enable me to speed up segments of the video. For example when waiting for installers to finish. 4. Enable me to paste screen shots or other graphics at specific points. Has anyone needed to do this? If so, what have you used? Thanks Darragh

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