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outlook
by mattias jonsson 07 Mar '17

07 Mar '17

how to turn off priority inbox in outlook for android? this is easily done in ios

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outlook
by mattias jonsson 07 Mar '17

07 Mar '17

how to turn off priority inbox in outlook for android? this is easily done in ios

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RSA SecurID authenticators
by Chris Nestrud 03 Mar '17

03 Mar '17

Can anyone comment on the accessibility of RSA SecurID authenticators, particularly hardware tokens? Chris

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Bitvise ssh client
by David Mehler 01 Mar '17

01 Mar '17

Hello, If anyone is using bitvise ssh client with a screen reader please let me know. I'd like to know which one and what you had to do to make it work? Thanks. Dave.

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inplace upgrade to server 2016
by mattias 01 Mar '17

01 Mar '17

how to do that?

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Bitvise ssh client
by David Mehler 28 Feb '17

28 Feb '17

Hello, If anyone is using bitvise ssh client with a screen reader please let me know. I'd like to know which one and what you had to do to make it work? Thanks. Dave.

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Asterisk
by David Mehler 27 Feb '17

27 Feb '17

Hello, If anyone is using or administering an Asterisk setup please get in touch with me. I'm trying to get it going. Thanks. Dave.

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Re: [Blind-sysadmins] in place upgrade to server 2016
by Billy Irwin 27 Feb '17

27 Feb '17

Hi All, I echo this point. When upgrading from 2012 R2 to 2016, I ran into problems. In a production environment I would have had backups made of the drive img. It is best to place the new servers online and bring them into a domain for example and let them be domain controllers and hand off the FSMO roles and let them take over. Once confirmed that things are working as expected and bring up the functional level, then you can decommission the servers. This allows you to bring the older servers back online to get you back online should you have a major issue. Regards, Billy -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart via Blind-sysadmins Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 9:36 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Cc: Ryan Shugart <ryshugar(a)microsoft.com> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] inplace upgrade to server 2016 Hi: In general the process should be straight forward. Mount the Server 2016 ISO image, run setup.exe and follow the prompts. You will run into a situation where you'll need to reboot, and when the system comes back up the audio service may not be running, I forget if that setting is preserved. However, assuming it does come up with the audio service running, you can launch Narrator and complete setup. You'll then need to reinstall your primary screen reader, and you're done. Note that while I know it requires sighted assistance, I still think that for a production server its not a good idea to do an in place upgrade as sometimes the installer doesn't do a good job of cleaning up the old operating system. However, if that isn't an option this should work. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of mattias Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 11:07 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] inplace upgrade to server 2016 how to do that? _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.hodg… _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins

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Re: [Blind-sysadmins] in place upgrade to server 2016
by Billy Irwin 27 Feb '17

27 Feb '17

Hi All, I echo this point. When upgrading from 2012 R2 to 2016, I ran into problems. In a production environment I would have had backups made of the drive img. It is best to place the new servers online and bring them into a domain for example and let them be domain controllers and hand off the FSMO roles and let them take over. Once confirmed that things are working as expected and bring up the functional level, then you can decommission the servers. This allows you to bring the older servers back online to get you back online should you have a major issue. Regards, Billy -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart via Blind-sysadmins Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 9:36 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Cc: Ryan Shugart <ryshugar(a)microsoft.com> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] inplace upgrade to server 2016 Hi: In general the process should be straight forward. Mount the Server 2016 ISO image, run setup.exe and follow the prompts. You will run into a situation where you'll need to reboot, and when the system comes back up the audio service may not be running, I forget if that setting is preserved. However, assuming it does come up with the audio service running, you can launch Narrator and complete setup. You'll then need to reinstall your primary screen reader, and you're done. Note that while I know it requires sighted assistance, I still think that for a production server its not a good idea to do an in place upgrade as sometimes the installer doesn't do a good job of cleaning up the old operating system. However, if that isn't an option this should work. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of mattias Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 11:07 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] inplace upgrade to server 2016 how to do that? _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.hodg… _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins

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hyperv
by mattias 25 Feb '17

25 Feb '17

i have a win 2012 server standard i playing with hyperv but how to install e.g debian linux? the console are inaccessible

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Asterisk
by David Mehler 25 Feb '17

25 Feb '17

Hello, If anyone is using or administering an Asterisk setup please get in touch with me. I'm trying to get it going. Thanks. Dave.

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Re: [Blind-sysadmins] JAWS with RDS
by Ryan Shugart 22 Feb '17

22 Feb '17

Hi Mitchell: First you're referring to Remote Desktop Services on some version of Windows Server right? I don't think Hyper-V lets you publish apps directly. I'm just honestly curious how this is working out for you, as far as do the local copies of JAWS on the enduser workstations get in the way of JAWS running on the server? I played around with doing this with Window-Eyes many years ago, and while Window-Eyes cooperated with its local version when I just connected to the pure remote desktop, when I connected to individual apps published over RDS the local Window-Eyes never went to sleep, Window-Eyes hotkeys would be executed by the local version and not the remote version, keystrokes got echoed back by both copies etc. Does JAWS work better with this situation? I reported the bugs to GW-Micro at the time, and so far as I know they're still there. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Mitchell Green Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 7:57 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] esxi and accessibility Sure does. Thanks. Mitchell Green Information Technology Facilitator o | 402-614-3331 x226 c | 402-871-1063 f | 402-933-1616 mgreen(a)outlooknebraska.com 4125 S. 72nd Street | Omaha, NE 68127 NOTICE: The information contained in this e-mail transmission and any attachment is intended solely for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipients is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender and destroy any copies of this document. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Billy Irwin Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:46 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] esxi and accessibility Mitchell, I am not familiar with your skill level, but you would create a GPO and then tell it to execute a script or batch file that runs JAWS. The script would not need to know the user information. This is because the GPO is applied to an OU that has the users for JAWS inside it. So, the first thing I would do is go and look at the AD structure under AD Users and Computers. Go to the OU containing the users and create a new OU inside of that one and apply your GPO to it. Don't forget to put those users needing JAWS inside of it. Hope that helps, Billy -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Mitchell Green Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:30 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] esxi and accessibility They are part of the domain. What just have jaws start from a gpo? What is the best way to do this? Never thought of this. Mitchell Green Information Technology Facilitator o | 402-614-3331 x226 c | 402-871-1063 f | 402-933-1616 mgreen(a)outlooknebraska.com 4125 S. 72nd Street | Omaha, NE 68127 NOTICE: The information contained in this e-mail transmission and any attachment is intended solely for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipients is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender and destroy any copies of this document. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Billy Irwin Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:06 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] esxi and accessibility Mitchell, You could do this if those VM's are part of the domain with a GPO and just add the users to a JAWS group. Thanks, Billy -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Mitchell Green Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:03 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] esxi and accessibility The question: How do you get jaws to start before a published application is ran on a Hyper-V terminal server? The way we want to do it: So instead of remoting on with a full rdp session we want to publish our applications. I need jaws to start for some users but not all users. The clunky not completely reliable work around: The way I am getting around this at this point is to publish a .bat, remember those?, file and have the bat file start jaws then the application. This is not a good thing if you want to run multiple published applications. The thought: I wonder if you could run a script that says when a particular user logs on then start jaws. The hope: That anyone has any ideas. Mitchell Green Information Technology Facilitator o | 402-614-3331 x226 c | 402-871-1063 f | 402-933-1616 mgreen(a)outlooknebraska.com 4125 S. 72nd Street | Omaha, NE 68127 NOTICE: The information contained in this e-mail transmission and any attachment is intended solely for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipients is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender and destroy any copies of this document. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Billy Irwin Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 7:39 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] esxi and accessibility I didn't see it. Send it again if that is ok. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Mitchell Green Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 7:32 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] esxi and accessibility Did any of you see my message on jaws and hyper-v published applications? It is okay not to have an answer but I can not tell if it was received or not. Thanks. Mitchell Green Information Technology Facilitator o | 402-614-3331 x226 c | 402-871-1063 f | 402-933-1616 mgreen(a)outlooknebraska.com 4125 S. 72nd Street | Omaha, NE 68127 NOTICE: The information contained in this e-mail transmission and any attachment is intended solely for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipients is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender and destroy any copies of this document. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Billy Irwin Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 5:46 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] esxi and accessibility Hi Ryan, The company I worked for made their entire platform on VMWare ESXI to replace desktops for the end user. Their customer base was mostly local governments that didn't want to budget to have an I.T. staff member. If they lost access to our datacenter, they were out of luck as their thin clients had no gui. So simple tasks like word processing were essentially out of the equation. They market themselves to be a drop-in replacement for I.T. Staff. I see the benefits and costs. If I am hired to protect a company's interests and data, I am not so sure that is the way to go. Virtualization is awesome and definitely great for certain applications especially servers. For me it seems we are going back to dummy terminals. I remember the days of Citrix on NT4 and it had some good uses but still didn't think having low end workstations and put it all on the server was the right way to go. I guess at the end of the day, it is about finding the right tool for the job. This is a great discussion. I am enjoying it. Kind Regards, Billy -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart via Blind-sysadmins Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 5:03 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Cc: Ryan Shugart <ryshugar(a)microsoft.com> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] esxi and accessibility Hi: Well to be fair, again back to where I worked, each office had four redundant internet connections, one of which was via LTE, just to make sure people could keep working in the event of an outage. Not all of that was VDI, as each plant and office had to talk back to our headquarters to run the ERP system we used. I think to a certain extent, VDI is just a growth of a trend that's been around for years. Don't forget, Citrix started way back in the Windows NT 3.51 days with their first product to do app virtualization, and its just grown from there. I think a lot of large enterprises have used Citrix or RDS to centralize running of company wide apps, and it makes sense. And these are situations that both JAWS and Window-Eyes have supported for well over ten years now. VDI just takes it to the next level, and with appropriate planning it probably could be made just as accessible. I'm actually surprised it hasn't been a bigger priority and has been something the various AT vendors and job placement people have just kind of ignored and hoped goes away. That being said, I personally do not see VDI taking off in the public cloud in big ways any time soon. I know various vendors are trying, but I think for a lot of companies for now asking them to give up that kind of control is just asking too much. I think VDI will continue to trudge along in private clouds and company data centers much like it has for the past ten years, being useful where its useful. Again though, what do I know. I can only guess from experience and people I've talked to. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Billy Irwin Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 1:24 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] esxi and accessibility Ryan, Thanks for your detailed responses. I think it really depends on what the need for a companies clients are. Sadly, I think a lot of I.T. staff will find themselves out of work if they push too much to the cloud. If a fiber cut happens for example, the VDI in the cloud situation will die a sudden death. Thanks, Billy -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart via Blind-sysadmins Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 4:09 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Cc: Ryan Shugart <ryshugar(a)microsoft.com> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] esxi and accessibility Hi: From a client perspective, AKA a blind user accessing a virtual desktop, its just using Citrix ICA or RDP in the back ground, so any screen reader that supports that should work. Many of the thin clients are actually machines running embedded versions of Windows, a friend of mine got Window-Eyes running on one a few years ago. If NVDA got support in for RDP/ICA protocols I think we could actually have a pretty reasonable experience with VDI. In fact, NVDA is written in such a way that it could even be streamed onto the appropriate VM running your session and moved off when you're done. It all henges on the proper support being added. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 11:28 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] esxi and accessibility There is no good accessible solution yet for virtual desktops is there? What’s the state of that? > On Feb 21, 2017, at 2:25 PM, Billy Irwin <billy.irwin(a)outlook.com> wrote: > > Ryan, > > Just curious.... How long ago was that? I would expect that it is > getting better because of the trend of having VDI... BTW, I am not a > big fan of VDI since it is what put me out of a job.... LOL. > > Thanks, > > Billy > > -----Original Message----- > From: Blind-sysadmins > [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of > Katherine M. Moss > Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 1:58 PM > To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> > Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] esxi and accessibility > > I have to say, that's some crazy stats right there ... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Blind-sysadmins > [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of > Ryan Shugart via Blind-sysadmins > Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 1:23 PM > To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> > Cc: Ryan Shugart <ryshugar(a)microsoft.com> > Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] esxi and accessibility > > Where I used to work, we actually began a migration from ESXI to Xen > Server due to VMWare's outrageous licensing at the time, I believe > this is when they were trying to license by amount of RAM or similar, > it was a while ago. Anyway, we actually migrated most of our VDI > environment at the time over to Xen Server, (we were using Citrix Xen > Desktop anyway so it made sense) and ended up running into so many > problems we eventually had to migrate the Xen Server hosts back to > ESXI. We still used Xen Desktop for the VDI controller just on top of > ESXI. We had Xen Server hosts lock up all the time, individual VMs > freeze, etc. I believe in the end even Citrix said that ESXI was a > better solution for what we were trying to do than their own Xen > Server solution. I will say we had some different requirements since > we had to get 3D video across the VDI environment, when I left that > was actually working well in ESXI so perhaps that's something Xen just > can't handle. Don't know, but just wanted to put my experience out there. > Ryan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Blind-sysadmins > [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of > Katherine M. Moss > Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 5:19 AM > To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> > Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] esxi and accessibility > > I wonder why venders such as Dell, for instance, have dropped support > for XenServer? I know they did recently; I think in 13th generation > PowerEdge. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Blind-sysadmins > [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of > Billy Irwin > Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 8:13 AM > To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> > Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] esxi and accessibility > > Greetings, > > So far, I am happy with XenServer. I use KVM coupled with SolusVM in > my web hosting business. KVM uses the command line unless you provide > a GUI for it. Xenserver has a bit of a learning curve but is very > similar to ESXI. The biggest pain is getting stuck in the console > windows and trying to get back out of it. JAWS seems to read most > everything else. Obviously I had to have someone visually read the > server setup screens but it is quick and easy to get it up and > running. The setup process reminds me of the Red Hat setup process. > Looks and feels exactly like it. > > Thanks, > > Billy > > -----Original Message----- > From: Blind-sysadmins > [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of > mattias jonsson > Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 7:57 AM > To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> > Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] esxi and accessibility > > so are it xen or kvm for accessibility? > > > På 21 februari 2017 13:32:45 "Katherine M. Moss" > <KMoss(a)winterhillsolutions.com> skrev: > >> One of the reasons why I personally don't advise VMware that much; in >> a business environment of which I've got no control, that's one >> thing, for for anything else, stay away from it if I were you. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Blind-sysadmins >> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of >> Ryan Shugart via Blind-sysadmins >> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 10:16 PM >> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >> Cc: Ryan Shugart <ryshugar(a)microsoft.com> >> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] esxi and accessibility >> >> True, I forgot about PowerCLI. I used it quite a bit to manage ESXI, >> the problem is PowerCLI only goes so far. You can manage basic ESXI >> and VCenter using it, and even use some basic add ons like Update >> Manager. >> However, we were getting into some of the advanced tools such as Site >> Recovery Manager and VCloud Director, and at that point those tools >> had no commandline interface at all, don't know if this has changed >> since I was a VMWare guy. >> Ryan >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Blind-sysadmins >> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of >> Katherine M. Moss >> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 6:40 PM >> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] esxi and accessibility >> >> I've not used it since Version 6 but what I've discovered is to >> create VMs, one can use VMware Workstation, and then import the >> created template into the server. And for management, there's >> PowerCLI for those who prefer the command line interface. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Blind-sysadmins >> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of >> Billy Irwin >> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 21:22 >> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] esxi and accessibility >> >> Greetings, >> >> My experience with the HTML interface is that you cannot function >> very well with it. I switched back to Xen Server from Citrix. Then I >> can use Xen Center for most tasks. Granted to initially setup a VM I >> had to have someone sighted but I built my templates and now it isn't >> a big deal. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Billy >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Blind-sysadmins >> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of >> Ryan Shugart via Blind-sysadmins >> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 9:16 PM >> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >> Cc: Ryan Shugart <ryshugar(a)microsoft.com> >> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] esxi and accessibility >> >> By template do you mean an .OVF appliance? If so then most >> appliances default to a DHCP address and how you change the IP >> depends on the appliance. Many have you access a configuration menu >> through the console, which isn't accessible, some will pull a DHCP IP >> and have a web interface set up so if you can figure out the assigned >> DHCP address you can go in and change the IP through the web UI. >> If you mean a standard VMWare template that you need a Virtual >> Center server to get to, yes you can do this, the UI is clunky but >> you can get through it in my experience. I'm assuming you're using >> the older VMWare Infrastructure Client and not the new HTML5 client, >> I honestly have no experience with that to know how well it works >> with screen readers. >> Ryan >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Blind-sysadmins >> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of >> mattias >> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 5:05 PM >> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] esxi and accessibility >> >> or are it called esx? >> >> vmware >> >> i have a dedicated server running it >> >> if i download a vm template >> >> are it possible to customize it? >> >> with public ip etc? >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flist >> s.hodgsonfamily.org%2Flistinfo%2Fblind-sysadmins&data=02%7C01%7Cryshu >> 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Re: [Blind-sysadmins] JAWS with RDS
by Ryan Shugart 22 Feb '17

22 Feb '17

Hi Mitchell: First you're referring to Remote Desktop Services on some version of Windows Server right? I don't think Hyper-V lets you publish apps directly. I'm just honestly curious how this is working out for you, as far as do the local copies of JAWS on the enduser workstations get in the way of JAWS running on the server? I played around with doing this with Window-Eyes many years ago, and while Window-Eyes cooperated with its local version when I just connected to the pure remote desktop, when I connected to individual apps published over RDS the local Window-Eyes never went to sleep, Window-Eyes hotkeys would be executed by the local version and not the remote version, keystrokes got echoed back by both copies etc. Does JAWS work better with this situation? I reported the bugs to GW-Micro at the time, and so far as I know they're still there. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Mitchell Green Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 7:57 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] esxi and accessibility Sure does. Thanks. Mitchell Green Information Technology Facilitator o | 402-614-3331 x226 c | 402-871-1063 f | 402-933-1616 mgreen(a)outlooknebraska.com 4125 S. 72nd Street | Omaha, NE 68127 NOTICE: The information contained in this e-mail transmission and any attachment is intended solely for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipients is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender and destroy any copies of this document. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Billy Irwin Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:46 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] esxi and accessibility Mitchell, I am not familiar with your skill level, but you would create a GPO and then tell it to execute a script or batch file that runs JAWS. The script would not need to know the user information. This is because the GPO is applied to an OU that has the users for JAWS inside it. So, the first thing I would do is go and look at the AD structure under AD Users and Computers. Go to the OU containing the users and create a new OU inside of that one and apply your GPO to it. Don't forget to put those users needing JAWS inside of it. Hope that helps, Billy -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Mitchell Green Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:30 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] esxi and accessibility They are part of the domain. What just have jaws start from a gpo? What is the best way to do this? Never thought of this. Mitchell Green Information Technology Facilitator o | 402-614-3331 x226 c | 402-871-1063 f | 402-933-1616 mgreen(a)outlooknebraska.com 4125 S. 72nd Street | Omaha, NE 68127 NOTICE: The information contained in this e-mail transmission and any attachment is intended solely for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipients is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender and destroy any copies of this document. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Billy Irwin Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:06 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] esxi and accessibility Mitchell, You could do this if those VM's are part of the domain with a GPO and just add the users to a JAWS group. Thanks, Billy -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Mitchell Green Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:03 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] esxi and accessibility The question: How do you get jaws to start before a published application is ran on a Hyper-V terminal server? The way we want to do it: So instead of remoting on with a full rdp session we want to publish our applications. I need jaws to start for some users but not all users. The clunky not completely reliable work around: The way I am getting around this at this point is to publish a .bat, remember those?, file and have the bat file start jaws then the application. This is not a good thing if you want to run multiple published applications. The thought: I wonder if you could run a script that says when a particular user logs on then start jaws. The hope: That anyone has any ideas. Mitchell Green Information Technology Facilitator o | 402-614-3331 x226 c | 402-871-1063 f | 402-933-1616 mgreen(a)outlooknebraska.com 4125 S. 72nd Street | Omaha, NE 68127 NOTICE: The information contained in this e-mail transmission and any attachment is intended solely for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipients is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender and destroy any copies of this document. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Billy Irwin Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 7:39 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] esxi and accessibility I didn't see it. Send it again if that is ok. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Mitchell Green Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 7:32 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] esxi and accessibility Did any of you see my message on jaws and hyper-v published applications? It is okay not to have an answer but I can not tell if it was received or not. Thanks. Mitchell Green Information Technology Facilitator o | 402-614-3331 x226 c | 402-871-1063 f | 402-933-1616 mgreen(a)outlooknebraska.com 4125 S. 72nd Street | Omaha, NE 68127 NOTICE: The information contained in this e-mail transmission and any attachment is intended solely for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipients is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender and destroy any copies of this document. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Billy Irwin Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 5:46 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] esxi and accessibility Hi Ryan, The company I worked for made their entire platform on VMWare ESXI to replace desktops for the end user. Their customer base was mostly local governments that didn't want to budget to have an I.T. staff member. If they lost access to our datacenter, they were out of luck as their thin clients had no gui. So simple tasks like word processing were essentially out of the equation. They market themselves to be a drop-in replacement for I.T. Staff. I see the benefits and costs. If I am hired to protect a company's interests and data, I am not so sure that is the way to go. Virtualization is awesome and definitely great for certain applications especially servers. For me it seems we are going back to dummy terminals. I remember the days of Citrix on NT4 and it had some good uses but still didn't think having low end workstations and put it all on the server was the right way to go. I guess at the end of the day, it is about finding the right tool for the job. This is a great discussion. I am enjoying it. Kind Regards, Billy -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart via Blind-sysadmins Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 5:03 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Cc: Ryan Shugart <ryshugar(a)microsoft.com> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] esxi and accessibility Hi: Well to be fair, again back to where I worked, each office had four redundant internet connections, one of which was via LTE, just to make sure people could keep working in the event of an outage. Not all of that was VDI, as each plant and office had to talk back to our headquarters to run the ERP system we used. I think to a certain extent, VDI is just a growth of a trend that's been around for years. Don't forget, Citrix started way back in the Windows NT 3.51 days with their first product to do app virtualization, and its just grown from there. I think a lot of large enterprises have used Citrix or RDS to centralize running of company wide apps, and it makes sense. And these are situations that both JAWS and Window-Eyes have supported for well over ten years now. VDI just takes it to the next level, and with appropriate planning it probably could be made just as accessible. I'm actually surprised it hasn't been a bigger priority and has been something the various AT vendors and job placement people have just kind of ignored and hoped goes away. That being said, I personally do not see VDI taking off in the public cloud in big ways any time soon. I know various vendors are trying, but I think for a lot of companies for now asking them to give up that kind of control is just asking too much. I think VDI will continue to trudge along in private clouds and company data centers much like it has for the past ten years, being useful where its useful. Again though, what do I know. I can only guess from experience and people I've talked to. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Billy Irwin Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 1:24 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] esxi and accessibility Ryan, Thanks for your detailed responses. I think it really depends on what the need for a companies clients are. Sadly, I think a lot of I.T. staff will find themselves out of work if they push too much to the cloud. If a fiber cut happens for example, the VDI in the cloud situation will die a sudden death. Thanks, Billy -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart via Blind-sysadmins Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 4:09 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Cc: Ryan Shugart <ryshugar(a)microsoft.com> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] esxi and accessibility Hi: From a client perspective, AKA a blind user accessing a virtual desktop, its just using Citrix ICA or RDP in the back ground, so any screen reader that supports that should work. Many of the thin clients are actually machines running embedded versions of Windows, a friend of mine got Window-Eyes running on one a few years ago. If NVDA got support in for RDP/ICA protocols I think we could actually have a pretty reasonable experience with VDI. In fact, NVDA is written in such a way that it could even be streamed onto the appropriate VM running your session and moved off when you're done. It all henges on the proper support being added. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 11:28 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] esxi and accessibility There is no good accessible solution yet for virtual desktops is there? What’s the state of that? > On Feb 21, 2017, at 2:25 PM, Billy Irwin <billy.irwin(a)outlook.com> wrote: > > Ryan, > > Just curious.... How long ago was that? I would expect that it is > getting better because of the trend of having VDI... BTW, I am not a > big fan of VDI since it is what put me out of a job.... LOL. > > Thanks, > > Billy > > -----Original Message----- > From: Blind-sysadmins > [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of > Katherine M. Moss > Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 1:58 PM > To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> > Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] esxi and accessibility > > I have to say, that's some crazy stats right there ... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Blind-sysadmins > [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of > Ryan Shugart via Blind-sysadmins > Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 1:23 PM > To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> > Cc: Ryan Shugart <ryshugar(a)microsoft.com> > Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] esxi and accessibility > > Where I used to work, we actually began a migration from ESXI to Xen > Server due to VMWare's outrageous licensing at the time, I believe > this is when they were trying to license by amount of RAM or similar, > it was a while ago. Anyway, we actually migrated most of our VDI > environment at the time over to Xen Server, (we were using Citrix Xen > Desktop anyway so it made sense) and ended up running into so many > problems we eventually had to migrate the Xen Server hosts back to > ESXI. We still used Xen Desktop for the VDI controller just on top of > ESXI. We had Xen Server hosts lock up all the time, individual VMs > freeze, etc. I believe in the end even Citrix said that ESXI was a > better solution for what we were trying to do than their own Xen > Server solution. I will say we had some different requirements since > we had to get 3D video across the VDI environment, when I left that > was actually working well in ESXI so perhaps that's something Xen just > can't handle. Don't know, but just wanted to put my experience out there. > Ryan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Blind-sysadmins > [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of > Katherine M. Moss > Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 5:19 AM > To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> > Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] esxi and accessibility > > I wonder why venders such as Dell, for instance, have dropped support > for XenServer? I know they did recently; I think in 13th generation > PowerEdge. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Blind-sysadmins > [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of > Billy Irwin > Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 8:13 AM > To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> > Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] esxi and accessibility > > Greetings, > > So far, I am happy with XenServer. I use KVM coupled with SolusVM in > my web hosting business. KVM uses the command line unless you provide > a GUI for it. Xenserver has a bit of a learning curve but is very > similar to ESXI. The biggest pain is getting stuck in the console > windows and trying to get back out of it. JAWS seems to read most > everything else. Obviously I had to have someone visually read the > server setup screens but it is quick and easy to get it up and > running. The setup process reminds me of the Red Hat setup process. > Looks and feels exactly like it. > > Thanks, > > Billy > > -----Original Message----- > From: Blind-sysadmins > [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of > mattias jonsson > Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 7:57 AM > To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> > Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] esxi and accessibility > > so are it xen or kvm for accessibility? > > > På 21 februari 2017 13:32:45 "Katherine M. Moss" > <KMoss(a)winterhillsolutions.com> skrev: > >> One of the reasons why I personally don't advise VMware that much; in >> a business environment of which I've got no control, that's one >> thing, for for anything else, stay away from it if I were you. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Blind-sysadmins >> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of >> Ryan Shugart via Blind-sysadmins >> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 10:16 PM >> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >> Cc: Ryan Shugart <ryshugar(a)microsoft.com> >> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] esxi and accessibility >> >> True, I forgot about PowerCLI. I used it quite a bit to manage ESXI, >> the problem is PowerCLI only goes so far. You can manage basic ESXI >> and VCenter using it, and even use some basic add ons like Update >> Manager. >> However, we were getting into some of the advanced tools such as Site >> Recovery Manager and VCloud Director, and at that point those tools >> had no commandline interface at all, don't know if this has changed >> since I was a VMWare guy. >> Ryan >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Blind-sysadmins >> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of >> Katherine M. Moss >> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 6:40 PM >> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] esxi and accessibility >> >> I've not used it since Version 6 but what I've discovered is to >> create VMs, one can use VMware Workstation, and then import the >> created template into the server. And for management, there's >> PowerCLI for those who prefer the command line interface. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Blind-sysadmins >> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of >> Billy Irwin >> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 21:22 >> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] esxi and accessibility >> >> Greetings, >> >> My experience with the HTML interface is that you cannot function >> very well with it. I switched back to Xen Server from Citrix. Then I >> can use Xen Center for most tasks. Granted to initially setup a VM I >> had to have someone sighted but I built my templates and now it isn't >> a big deal. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Billy >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Blind-sysadmins >> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of >> Ryan Shugart via Blind-sysadmins >> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 9:16 PM >> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >> Cc: Ryan Shugart <ryshugar(a)microsoft.com> >> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] esxi and accessibility >> >> By template do you mean an .OVF appliance? If so then most >> appliances default to a DHCP address and how you change the IP >> depends on the appliance. Many have you access a configuration menu >> through the console, which isn't accessible, some will pull a DHCP IP >> and have a web interface set up so if you can figure out the assigned >> DHCP address you can go in and change the IP through the web UI. >> If you mean a standard VMWare template that you need a Virtual >> Center server to get to, yes you can do this, the UI is clunky but >> you can get through it in my experience. I'm assuming you're using >> the older VMWare Infrastructure Client and not the new HTML5 client, >> I honestly have no experience with that to know how well it works >> with screen readers. >> Ryan >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Blind-sysadmins >> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of >> mattias >> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 5:05 PM >> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] esxi and accessibility >> >> or are it called esx? >> >> vmware >> >> i have a dedicated server running it >> >> if i download a vm template >> >> are it possible to customize it? >> >> with public ip etc? >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flist >> s.hodgsonfamily.org%2Flistinfo%2Fblind-sysadmins&data=02%7C01%7Cryshu >> 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esxi and accessibility
by mattias 22 Feb '17

22 Feb '17

or are it called esx? vmware i have a dedicated server running it if i download a vm template are it possible to customize it? with public ip etc?

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linux servers
by mikefulton95＠gmail.com 21 Feb '17

21 Feb '17

Hi all, Have you had any experience working with servers that run Linux and a command line interface? Thanks, Mike

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Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Applying for accommodation through Pearson Vue
by Katherine Moss 21 Feb '17

21 Feb '17

I've wanted to think about certification once again, but due to just this problem, I've not thought of it. I had a friend of mine ... who is also a disability specialist, so they took her word for it, sign the forms and what not, and then when I finally got to the testing center, the guy at the front desk ended up having to read to me since I wasn't even discovered on the list for an exam! Needless to say, due to his accent, my entering into it too soon, and my nervousness over the fact that somebody on their end screwed up, I failed the exam by a tiny margin. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Greg B. Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 6:49 AM To: 'Blind sysadmins list' <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Applying for accomodation through Pearson Vue Sorry about the previous email. It slipped out before I could spell check it. Greg B. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Greg B. Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 6:46 AM To: 'Blind sysadmins list' <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Applying for accomodation through Pearson Vue I am preparing to take my CISSP exam through Pearson-Vue. I had to do some hunting but this is what I found. Their accomodations request system is a "crock". Working with their tech support was fruitless because they could not or would not tell me why emails sent to my address were not being sent by their system. I do have an accomodations number, it is 800 466 0450 also you will need to complete on of their accomodations request forms and your docotor will need to fill out a form to essentially veriffy what is needed. Once all the forms are filled out you have to wait until they are reviewed and then you will be able to schedule an exam. I am at form completed stage in the process. I haven't sent the forms back to pearson yet. If you have any questions contact me off line at gbobo(a)woh.rr.com Greg B. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Paul O'Rahilly Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 6:03 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Applying for accomodation through Pearson Vue Hello Folks I am going through the process of applying to complete the Security Plus creditation with CompTIA. However, I have been advised by the examination centre that I must first register with Pearson Vue. They have a process of providing accomodations for folks who need this. I am experiencing difficulty with this process. 1. They do not appear to have specific accommodation for blind persons. 2. The website doesn't allow me to complete the process of applying for an accommodation. 3. There's nobody to contact about this. Before I start digging deeper, has anyone out there had similar problems in the past with Pearson Vue, with regards to applying for accomodations. Regards, Paul The application must be made through their website. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins

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Potentially looking for a new server: PowerEdge T130 or T330
by Katherine M. Moss 21 Feb '17

21 Feb '17

Hi all, I was going to look at a rack mount unit for this, however, I don't think I have that kind of room. I'm thinking either the T130 or the T330 from Dell depending on the dimensions of the desk cabinet thatI have; think I could swing the T330, though it might be tight. Does anybody have any likes or dislikes for either of these seemingly sweet new PowerEdge servers? Another reason why I'm thinking the T330 is for the extra drive space; would save me from having to purchase a separate file server unit, as well as for the LCD display; I could theoretically use OpenManage Mobile's NFC to view it; since I can't read it; another accessible way to manage servers. I could use the glow from the lights to help, though, I'd assume; aren't the newer ones pretty bright? The server I have ... not only can't I figure out what's wrong with it, but also, the lights on it are so hard to see; I only realized that it had an amber error on it because my sighted friend pointed it out to me one day.

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Cisco Voip 7962 Phones
by Katherine M. Moss 21 Feb '17

21 Feb '17

Hi, Does anyone know how to successfully log into one of these things without sight? I've been trying to figure out a way to do it for three years now, and I've not been able to. I'd rather not be put into a situation where if I were out of the office, my laptop freezes, and I've got no one to assist me logging back in ... I'd lose however many hours of work I was logged out of the phone due to something clearly beyond my control.

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Remote connection between 2 pc recommendations?
by Can Kırca 20 Feb '17

20 Feb '17

Hello, I have 2 desktop PC in the same local network, jaws Professional installed as screen reader. I'm looking a solution to control my other pc via remote connection. Jaws tandem working well on the local network; but there is no way to spesify perminant connection key. I'm using some jaws scripts, so can't use NVDA remote. Do you have any sudgestion? Thanks in advance.

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diagramming software
by mikefulton95＠gmail.com 20 Feb '17

20 Feb '17

Hello, I am a new list member and this is my first post. I am a college student majoring in IT. One of the classes I am taking requires the use of diagramming software for network diagrams, etc. The instructor recommended Microsoft Visio. I realize that making and reading network diagrams is next to impossible, but I am curious to know what people have done as alternatives for documentation purposes. Thanks, Mike

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Remote connection between 2 pc recommendations?
by Can Kırca 20 Feb '17

20 Feb '17

Hello, I have 2 desktop PC in the same local network, jaws Professional installed as screen reader. I'm looking a solution to control my other pc via remote connection. Jaws tandem working well on the local network; but there is no way to spesify perminant connection key. I'm using some jaws scripts, so can't use NVDA remote. Do you have any sudgestion? Thanks in advance.

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Windows 10 IoT Enterprise
by Anatoliy Shudrya 20 Feb '17

20 Feb '17

Greetings, Has anybody had an opportunity to work with Windows 10 IoT Enterprise version? I am about to purchase an appliance that has Win. 10 IoT Enterprise with another video surveillance application on top of it. Of course, as always, my concern if I will be able to install either JAWS or NVDA screen reader to complete configuration. Here is what I found on the Microsoft website, and it seems to be promising but who knows... "*Note that Windows 10 IoT Enterprise is a binary equivalent to Windows 10 Enterprise" Any ideas? Thank you

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Windows 10 IoT Enterprise
by Anatoliy Shudrya 20 Feb '17

20 Feb '17

Greetings, Has anybody had an opportunity to work with Windows 10 IoT Enterprise version? I am about to purchase an appliance that has Win. 10 IoT Enterprise with another video surveillance application on top of it. Of course, as always, my concern if I will be able to install either JAWS or NVDA screen reader to complete configuration. Here is what I found on the Microsoft website, and it seems to be promising but who knows... "*Note that Windows 10 IoT Enterprise is a binary equivalent to Windows 10 Enterprise" Any ideas? Thank you

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unsubscribe
by Katherine Moss 20 Feb '17

20 Feb '17

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unsubscribe
by Katherine Moss 20 Feb '17

20 Feb '17

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