Re: [Blind-sysadmins] deploying NVDA with custom config

Hi, No clue if they have. though i guess that might be expensive. so i belive not. i had more crashes with jaws than with the bleeding edge builds of nvda. *smile* Greetings, Simon Am 18.08.2017 um 20:04 schrieb Katherine M. Moss:

Working in the medical field, yes. I work in IT, but it's the medical IT field.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Simon Eigeldinger via Blind-sysadmins Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 1:17 PM To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org Cc: Simon Eigeldinger Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] deploying NVDA with custom config

Hi,

Do you need that compliance? what does it do with that? i have no idea about such things because i have never had experiences with such things.

I don't even know if all software over here would pass any tests of those. *lol*

Greetings, Simon Am 18.08.2017 um 17:04 schrieb Katherine M. Moss:

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Normally where I work, the idea is to remotely access the workstation in order to gain admin access to the computer to perform tasks that the end-user cannot do themselves. AS I said, though, thr problem is compliance. I'm wondering whether or not that should be logged as a possible issue on GitHub? I have an account.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ratha Moeuy Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 10:46 AM To: 'Blind sysadmins list' Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] deploying NVDA with custom config

Hello,

RDP would allow you to hear the remote audio as well with the use of Windows Remote Audio service. However, However, unlike Teamviewer, RDP does not allow you to remote in to the same session as the end-user. Instead, it create a whole new log-on session. This can be an issue if you are trying to troubleshoot something specific to the end-user's profile.

Ratha -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Eigeldinger Simon Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 1:18 AM To: 'Blind sysadmins list' Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] deploying NVDA with custom config

Hi Zameer,

Thanks for the key.

The only reasons i use teamviewer is: * You can start NVDA by yourself without the user * To accept admin and UAC dialogs.

You can hear what the dialog says using teamviewer so you can accept or dismiss the dialog using that because NVDA Remote stops.

though i guess remote desktop also should work because it should also allows you to hear whats going on on the other pc.

Greetings, Simon

Mit freundlichen Grüßen

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Hello again,

I've tried it on the corporate network, and everything works as expected.

Just staying abit on the secure/admin dialogs. I noticed if UAC is enabled, I cannot dismiss the dialog by pressing alt y. I had to disable it to get an install going. I should note that I am not using team viewer for now. Simon, could you perhaps please provide an example in windows where NVDA might not read during the NVDARemote session? Also, are you saying that, if I were to use teamviewer, I would have no problem reading that UAC dialog? The registry entry for controlling whether NVDA starts at the logon screen is below: [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Accessibility] "Configuration"="" Because I did not want NVDA starting, therefore, I've removed NVDA from within the configuration bit.

Kind Regards -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Eigeldinger Simon Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 7:54 AM To: 'Blind sysadmins list' Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] deploying NVDA with custom config

Hi, No problem. If you need more help just tell me.

Greetings, Simon

Mit freundlichen Grüßen

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Hello Simon,

Thanks so much for answering all my questions, I really appreciate your help.

I've got everything working on my home network, will try and do this on a corporate network real soon.

Thanks again.

Kind Regards -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Eigeldinger Simon Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 8:19 AM To: 'Blind sysadmins list' Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] deploying NVDA with custom config

Hi

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1. You Installed NVDA silently as you mentioned. Is there a switch that would disable NVDA from starting at logon? Or did you have to manually uncheck the checkbox after installation?

You have to do that after install by hand unfortunately. You also can't do that using the config because it seems to write that into the registry. maybe you might be able to fnid that in the registry somewhere. haven't looked yet though.

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2. Did the -c flag work for you when you wrote your batch file, or did you have to manually enter the -r -c flags after installation?

I had to replace the icon on the desktop. i dropped it into the public desktop folder so everyone can access nvda on their profile.

So the target of the icon looks like that: "C:\Program Files (x86)\NVDA\nvda_slave.exe" launchNVDA -r -c \\server\NVDA

The install file for silent installs looks like that over here: nvda_2017.2.exe --install-silent --minimal

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3. I'm not quite sure what you mean when you say: you need or find teamviewer still useful when admin screens stop nvda from talking to your nvda remote session. I assume you ask the person on the other end to read what's on screen when NVDA stops speaking?

You can do that as well. though i have always a teamviewer session going on in the background as well because admin screens are not moved over using nvda remote. at least when you haven't installed the addon systemwide. another step you need to take when setting up new machines. though i have found out that it seems not always to work with that solution. So i kept using a teamviewer and nvda remote combo.

Greetings, Simon

Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Simon Eigeldinger Informatik Nebengebäude 1, OG1 ------------------------- Stadt Hohenems Kaiser-Franz-Josef-Straße 4 6845 Hohenems Österreich Tel.: +43 5576 7101-1143 Fax: +43 5576 7101-1149 E-Mail: simon.eigeldinger@hohenems.at Web: www.hohenems.at

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Hello there Simon,

Thanks much for answering my questions and putting up with me so far. I have just a few more please, just to reaffirm my understanding.

1. You Installed NVDA silently as you mentioned. Is there a switch that would disable NVDA from starting at logon? Or did you have to manually uncheck the checkbox after installation? 2. Did the -c flag work for you when you wrote your batch file, or did you have to manually enter the -r -c flags after installation? 3. I'm not quite sure what you mean when you say: you need or find teamviewer still useful when admin screens stop nvda from talking to your nvda remote session. I assume you ask the person on the other end to read what's on screen when NVDA stops speaking?

Again thanks for any further reply and apologies for my questions, I've not done this before and never would have thought about doing it had I not seen your previous messages.

Kind Regards -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Simon Eigeldinger via Blind-sysadmins Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 8:46 PM To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org Cc: Simon Eigeldinger Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] deploying NVDA with custom config

Hi,

those are very good questions. forgot to answer them so no problem.

I had to create a quick batch script to execute a silent install. so basically its installing silently. though i had to talk to every user to stop their work so i can do that locally. i haven't found out how to pack nvda into a msi and roll it out with windows update or others. i am getting now old versions of nvda and a mixed version pool all over the 80 pcs we have here. it took me 1-2 weeks to get all that set up but it was worth it.

i didn't enable use current settings on the logon screen. i also disabled nvda completely so no nvda at the login screen and other admin dialogs and no nvda after login.

what i do is logging in to the pc using teamviewer or similar software then enabling nvda from the desktop. you need or find teamviewer still useful when admin screens stop nvda from talking to your nvda remote session.

Greetings, Simon

Am 13.08.2017 um 22:13 schrieb Zameer Mahomed:

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Hello Simon,

Thanks much for your reply.

I have a few questions please, If you don't mind me asking, did you install NVDA silently on all the pc's? Secondly, on the computers NVDA was installed, did you select to: Use currently saved settings on the logon and other secure screens?

Sorry again for all my questions.

Kind Regards -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Simon Eigeldinger via Blind-sysadmins Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 8:50 PM To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org Cc: Simon Eigeldinger Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] deploying NVDA with custom config

Hi,

You can copy a good icon and drop it in every box. that what i had to do. i dropped it into c:\users\public\desktop and from there you can start it then.

Greetings, Simon

Am 13.08.2017 um 18:36 schrieb Zameer Mahomed:

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Hi List,

Apologies in advance if I am going off topic.

Has anyone gotten NVDA to install silently using a custom config pointed elsewhere?

My question stems from some NVDARemote messages which I've followed from Simon sometime ago, Thanks Simon.

I've setup the config and put it it on the server however,

My problem is that

If I install NVDA with switches like:

c:\nvda.exe --install-silent -m launchNVDA -r -c \\share\NVDA

After a silent install, on the desktop, target of the icon shows like:

"C:\Program Files (x86)\NVDA\nvda_slave.exe" launchNVDA -r

Of course I could modify the icon to point to the config, but I can't imagine having to do this on many pc's within the company?

Any help regarding my issue would be much appreciated please.

Kind Regards

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