A cisco guy that likes the web UI, that's just not right.:)
The ASA runs an IOS looking interface that has the Pix command subset.
I don't know it just seems natural for me to do a
config# no http enable
I guess I need to go back to a shop that has all GSR and 7600 gear.:) At
least I've never seen a backbone guy configure a BGP peer with a GUI.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ryan Shugart"
To: "Blind sysadmins list"
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 6:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] does anyone else hate the trend to web GUIs
in network equipment?
Hi Andrew:
I'm a little surprised the Cisco stuff is going webbie, most Cisco people I
know love the IOS commandline, or perhaps the ASAs don't run IOS? Cisco
products have had web UIs as long as I can remember, but I always remember
them being secondary to the CLI. That said, our Cisco guy where I work
swares by the web UIs whenever he can. Personally, so long as the UI is
accessible, I don't really care if its web or CLI.
I'm conserned about the move to Java as well, I think the key phrase is
cross platform compatability, to grab all of those sysadmins sitting in
front of MACs at work you know. All of our HP servers have these ILO cards
which would really be cool to work with, if only the interface weren't Java.
Window-Eyes had some reasonable Java support, but it was being done by a
third party, not GW-Micro, and I've not seen any updates to it recently, not
sure what's going on there.
Almost more disturbing than Java is the Web 2.0 trend. My hope is screen
readers will eventually be able to overcome this, but so far it looks like
we have a long way to go. We recently purchased a product from VMWare
called Lab Manager, which is an add-on to ESX that lets endusers quickly
deploy and undeploy whole configurations of machines for testing software
and other purposes. The UI for everything is this really fancy Web 2.0
application. Large parts are accessible, and again large parts aren't. For
example, I can't use any combo box in the entire app, they're all custom
designed combo boxes. I don't know what was wrong with the standard HTML
combo box but hey. That's not the only case, the old ticketing system my
prior employer used was really bad and difficult to follow. My current
employer uses Heat which is much more accessible so that's good. But in my
life, these Web 2.0 apps are almost more of an annoyance than Java.
Ryan
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
[mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew
Hodgson
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 2:43 AM
To: Blind sysadmins list
Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] does anyone else hate the trend to web GUIs
in network equipment?
Hi,
ASA still has the CLI, but I do notice that some features are being farmed
out to the GUI, and that a lot of the tutorials are showing the GUI rather
than the CLI. I believe if you study for the exams, that you are still
shown the CLI primarily.
I find it more disturbing the proliferation of Java based admin tools on
hardware, rather than the web interface themselves. A good accessible web
interface is better than the Java stuff that is being shipped out by a lot
of these manufacturers. At work, for example, I was evaluating a spam catch
appliance that used a totally unnecessary Java front-end, making most of the
config inaccessible.
Java support is one thing I wish that screen reader manufacturers spent more
time with, rather than small features like sound management, dictionary
lookups and the like, because I am concerned that it is only going to get
more widespread.
Andrew.
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-----Original Message-----
From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
[mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Scott
Granados
Sent: 04 August 2009 21:48
To: Blind sysadmins list
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] does anyone else hate the trend to web GUIs in
network equipment?
I'm a little disturbed by a trend in network hardware where everything has
to have a web front end to configure. Even gear like the Cisco ASA has this
totally inaccessible java based ASDM thingy that sucks on a whole new level.
(even to sited users) What's happening to the command line? It's so much
better and more efficient for working with network elements and frankly for
servers.
Everyone tell your Cisco reps that this is a bad thing. (tm)
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