Thanks Billy. That kind of mirrors my experiences, I've always found running a remote editor in a terminal window very frustrating, at least when using a Windows screen reader, but wanted to check and see how important
Hi Billy, It was never my intention to suggest there are no other solutions to mine. I understand and respect all you say. I apologise if the tone of my email wasn't right. I just wanted to get across how I do things and, if that helps someone else find the right solution, then I'm pleased. Regards, Phil. -----Original Message----- From: Billy Irwin <billy.irwin@outlook.com> Sent: 20 July 2019 14:54 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: the ultimate terminal experience Hi Phil, I have to respectfully disagree with some of your statements. While I am well versed in Braille, I do not use it on a regular basis doing Sysadmin work. I've always been visually impaired since birth and I am 37 now. I learned braille starting in the 3rd grade but always was a print reader until my early 30s. You are discounting others based off of your own experiences, but not meeting people where they are. When blind people have this attitude that braille is the only way to go just like with the all mighty white cane, you leave out others which isn't very nice nor does it support the advancement of new ideas. You also need to consider other non-JAWS users. JAWS isn't the be all end all TTS. While I mainly use JAWS, I am open to NVDA and Voiceover. Whatever is developed it should support as many people and their respective software instead of being too specific. Some people don't have access to very expensive braille displays. This doesn't mean they can't do their jobs efficiently. It is nice that you have found a solution that works for you, but this might not be the same of others. I've found a lot of times that JAWS doesn't always track the cursor even with SecureCRT. Respectfully, Billy -----Original Message----- From: philrigby62@gmail.com <philrigby62@gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2019 6:22 AM To: 'Blind sysadmins list' <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: the ultimate terminal experience Not sure I understand the issue of using a remote text editor. If by "remote text editor" you just mean running something like vi on a Linux server that you have ssh'd to, this is no problem at all for me and, if it were a problem, I'd be almost powerless to do anything at the technical end of my job. As long as whatever application you are using as a terminal emulation software package on your Windows machine does accurate cursor tracking, all will be fine. As I have said many times on this list, Reflections is by far the best terminal emulation programme I have ever used in terms of accessibility and honouring cursor positions with 100% accuracy. I have used it in my work situation for over 20 years and I would never, ever think of using anything else. OK, I use the JAWS cursor to review screen output but I see no issue at all with this. I have written simple JAWS scripts to allow me to use braille display keys to switch into JAWS cursor mode when moving up and down the screen and they work very well for me. With these simple JAWS scripts, it is an effortless task to switch between JAWS and PC cursor as it is made to be part of the action performed when you hit the key on your braille display to go up a line for example. If anyone tells me they don't use braille, I'm sorry but I would just give up the discussion because it is just crazy to try to do a technical admin role without braille feedback. You just can't work sensibly at all if you can't invoke editors on remote Linux servers if you are trying to do a sys admin role on a remote Linux server. It would be madness to have to copy files from the Linux server on to your local PC to edit it. Regards, Phil. -----Original Message----- From: Jason White via Blind-sysadmins <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: 20 July 2019 00:34 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Cc: Ryan Shugart <ryshugar@microsoft.com>; Jason White <jason@jasonjgw.net> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: the ultimate terminal experience On 7/16/19 7:16 PM, Ryan Shugart via Blind-sysadmins wrote: that scenario was for people. It saves having to copy files back and forth, or boot into Linux just to edit a file in an ssh session - so, yes, I would say it's important for some people. I have other reasons to run Linux, of course - the point is that if I'm already in Windows and make an ssh connection, I shouldn't have to reboot to be able to use a remote text editor effectively. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave@lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave@lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave@lists.hodgsonfamily.org