Darragh: So you're basically moving a VM from one cluster to another? I assume you don't have a VCenter server with both clusters connected to it, if you did that'd be the best solution. However, if it's a VM already, I still think you should be able to export the VM to an OVF file, then just import the OVF into the cluster you want, and it should work fine. No need to touch converter. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Darragh OHeiligh Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 8:06 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Cc: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] VMWare converter. Hey Ryan, It's kind of a once off situation unfortunately. An application provider has gone out of business and one of our workstation engineers virtualized a system a while ago with this application installed. I now need to host it on our desktop cluster so that it's available in the years to come. This place is kind of crazy when it comes to data retention. I have no need to install VMWare workstation on this machine and I wouldn't say we're licenced for many installations either. I'm probably going to be left with no other option but to get someone sighted to look at my screen while I tell them where to click. See what i mean? this is just one example of where doing this job is becoming unrealistic. Another example is in the scheduler of VSphere. I'm remediating a lot of servers and workstations at the moment. A few updates need to be deployed. The UI is great from a visual perspective because when different boxes are ticked, the results at the bottom of the screen show machines that have the updates applied and those that do not. Using Jaws, I have absolutely no way of determining this. I'm sorting the results by status and this is partially helping but it's slowing me down a lot. I could go on. I've been reading about the VSphere power cli more over the past while. I created a few scripts for it a few months ago but the administration guides etc seem to really focus on script development and not as a command line interface. Which is a bit weird I think. Do you have any good sources where I can read about this more? I've been using the reference manual a lot but the problem with that is it doesn't really separate commands that can be run on a VCentre and commands that can only be run directly on a host. For example, one thing I'm doing a lot of at the moment is disk copies. One data store might have two disks from a server then the larger data drives are on another data store. To use the copy-hardDisk command you need to be connected directly to the host. Not really what I want to do. I'd spend a lot of time moving around hosts if that was part of the tasks. And, isn't that what VCenter is suppose to get around? I know VSphere could be improved by a decent jaws scripter but when I asked for someone to take the job on a year ago no one came forward. I was willing to pay at the time. Regards Darragh Ó Héiligh Fujitsu Offices of the Houses of the Oireachtas, Fredrick Building, South Fredrick Street, Dublin2 Telephone: +353 (1) 618 3559 Email: darragh.oheiligh@oireachtas.ie Internet: http://www.oireachtas.ie From: Ryan Shugart <rshugart@pcisys.net> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Date: 16/04/2012 14:49 Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] VMWare converter. Sent by: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org Darragh: If you use Workstation, you don't need converter. Workstation will work with VCenter directly. Outside of that, I've exported VMs to .OVF and then imported them into the target system, that helps a lot. Just what kinds of things do you want to use converter for? Moving from where to where? I don't think there is an accessible solution for doing P2V, physical to virtual, but we use the cold clone CD for those anyway. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [ mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Darragh OHeiligh Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 3:38 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] VMWare converter. Hello, I remember Ryan saing that he used VMWare workstation to create VM's and then he uploaded them to ESXI. I'm just wondering, what people use for uploading these VM's? VMWare Converter is now a standalone application and Jaws cannot read it's application windows at all! In previous versions I was able to successfully use the VSphere plugin. Any suggestions appreciated. I don't mind using the CLI and in fact, based on peoples feedback last week I intend to give the commandline a lot more attention over the coming weeks. Thanks Regards Darragh Ó Héiligh Fujitsu Offices of the Houses of the Oireachtas, Fredrick Building, South Fredrick Street, Dublin2 Telephone: +353 (1) 618 3559 Email: darragh.oheiligh@oireachtas.ie Internet: http://www.oireachtas.ie From: Ryan Shugart <rshugart@pcisys.net> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Date: 10/04/2012 07:14 Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] any show stoppers Sent by: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org I have to agree that VMWare is far from the most accessible piece of software out there, but its certainly doable. I manage a VMWare environment with about 35 ESX hosts and about 700 VMS, and I'm very effective. It all boils down to learning good techniques. True, ESX and ESXI don't support sound, but if you're working in a Windows environment with mainly Windows guests you will be hopefully using a screen reader with good RDP support so sound isn't an issue anyway. When I build a new VM, I build the VM in VMWare's Workstation product that does support sound, and will install guest OS's for you. So I build the OS, install the screen reader, get RDP working then upload the completed VM to the esx environment and then just use RDP to admin the machine from there on out. All of our templates have a screen reader on them with RDP support enabled and configured so when I do day to day deployments I just clone a template, find out the IP address from the VIC, log in using RDP , and I'm good to go. So its all doable, it just takes working out some different techniques. Get to know your screen reader well, know its mouse support, make sure you're on the latest version, and the VIC should work reasonably. I think the only scripting I use regularly is a command to always move me back to the treeview of VMs. Also, VMWare has a Powershell interface available that actually is pretty good about duplicating all functions of the VIC via commandline. One of the annoying things is that the Update Manager component has no accessibility at all, but that's all available using PowerCLI and that's how I update the ESX hosts. Another thing that's annoying is finding VMs in the VIC. Again PowerCLI to the rescue, if I know the name of the VM, I just punch it into PowerCLI and away I go. I can move VMs around, change resource pools all from there and many times I just use the VIC to monitor tasks. I could do that from PowerCLI too but I'm too lazy to learn the commands. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [ mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of John Heim Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 10:25 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] any show stoppers Esx and esxi do not support sound. In other words, you can't make a virtual machine with a sound card. There is no screen reader for esx or esxi. The remote GUI interface has major accessibility problemms. And there is no talking or serial console install. I asked about an accessible install on the VMWare web site and all the answers I got were lame. I ended up getting sighted assistance for the install. However, it may be possible for a blind person to do an esx/esxi install via the automatic installation tool. In other words, you will have problems installing esx or esxi, you'll have trouble creating virtual machines, and once you create them, they'll be difficult to use. Other than that, its fine. In all seriousness, I have an esxi machine at home. I built it specifically to learn about VMWare esx and esxi. I had to get help with the install but if I had it to do over again, I would try the automatic install feature. I also spent a lot of time learning how to create virtual machines. The remote GUI is not totally impossible to navigate with jaws. But there are parts of it that are very, very difficult. Maybe if you used it every day you could get to be proficient enough to be productive but I doubt it. I manage the virtual machines on my esxi server via editing the text config files themselves. Once you have the virtual machine up and running, you will have to operate it remotely. The VMWare people would say that that's the whole point of esx and esxi. Esx and esxi are for servers off in the cloud somewhere. If you want a desktop machine, use Workstation. But while operating a machine remotely is easy in linux, it is somewhat of a greater challenge in Windows. Of course, maybe you already do a lot of remote Windows system administration and that won't be a problem for you. But I don't know how you get your accessibility tools installed on a Windows virtual machine in order to access it remotely. The way I did it was to configured a USB port on the virtual machine and then plugged a USB headset into the host. That gave me speech on the virtual machine. So I was operating the virtual machine remotely but the headset was physically connected to the host. The only reason I was able to do that was that my remote machine was not very remote. It was only about 5 feet from the esxi host. I am not sure if that makes sense. If you want a clearer explanation, let me know. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Moore" <bmoore@screenreview.org> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 10:01 AM Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] any show stoppers HI all. applying for this job. IN particular, I am interested in people's thoughts about working in environments with vmware esx any other show stoppers? HELP DESK SUPERVISOR/SENIOR TECHNICAL ANALYST Permanent - Full-Time Annual Salary: $73,180 -$89,035 The Children's Aid Society of Hamilton is seeking a Help Desk Supervisor/Senior Technical Analyst. 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