It is a wonderful thing not to regret the life lived. Your parents weren't totally blind, perhaps. That may have been a reason why they were so cavalier regarding the decibels to which your delicate ears were exposed. My son, after he became an adult broke a finger, and a small bone in his hand. He didn't set it a second time, after it was broken a second time in a bar fight over a woman. He claims he can work with it as it is, and everything. But, how will he feel in 40 or so years. When arthritis cripples his hand. Or causes him all sorts of pain. I had polio as a child. Which wasn't my fault, and would give a lot to have two equally well working hands and legs. There are so many things other totally blind people can do, and so many jobs they can fill, which I can not. Simply because they are so much more dexterous than am I. I would not want to purposefully jeopardize any sense, or bodily function. Artificial implants, and devices may suit some. But, in my opinion, no artificial device or implant will ever replace what nature has given us. Rush Limbaugh educated us who listen to his show about what it was like hearing through an implant. He put up an example on his site of sounds heard through one of those. I can see now, why some in the Deaf community object to having children implanted with them. Dialysis, also, in my opinion, is no real replacement for the kidney and all its functions. I don't think anything is worth the purposeful endangering of any of our senses. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Granados" <scott@granados-llc.net> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 8:50 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones (was: teraterm)
This sounds positively awful, I’m glad I had different parents.:) I love loud music, went to many concerts, did many drugs and don’t regret a thing. I’m glad I got to trip listening to the Grateful Dead live or fly on an ecstasy bender while sitting in the speaker box while the orb and the Future Sound of London did an 18 hour set.
Also, working in the studio work I did we would start the day with the sound pressure level pretty low but by the end of a 20+ hour session it was like a jet engine in the control room. Still, I’d rather live and enjoy life for the most part than play the safe route. I’m glad I listened to loud music and went for it even though I definitely have hearing loss now. Also I will just replace my ears with a better artificial option once that’s developed. I do think we’ll see that in our life times.
On Aug 27, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Angel <angel238@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
That is why I forbade my children from attending concerts featuring loud music. Though they don't exploit their hearing as much as do we who are totally blind, I felt all senses ought to be preserved and protected as much as was at all possible. As we each do all we can to protect our health. That we might lengthen and preserve the quality of our individual lives. Rush Limbaugh is an example of how well challenges can be overcome with modern technology. But, regardless its advancement, it can never compare with the job our natural sensesdo for us. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Granados" <scott@granados-llc.net> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones (was: teraterm)
What?
Speak louder!
:)
So that’s funny but we are very similar on this front. However, I definitely have lost hearing a lot of hearing at that. Lots of loud music, loud audio and for extended periods of time, probably 16+ hours per day for what 30 years or so? I was in the music game before network engineering and really blew out a lot of my hearing then mixing live shows and working in the studio. As you know your ears lose sensitivity over time so after say a 20 hour recording session you would find that you start the day at a nice low sound pressure level and by the end of the day you could drown out jet engines.:)
I do the same thing though now. I don’t like wearing a headset on both ears in the office because I can’t hear people walking up on me or standing outside my cube. I leave the cans on over my left ear and leave the right ear open to hear the environment around me.
You’re smart though being careful with your hearing. I was definitely the opposite of that and while I don’t regret a thing about it I know I have damaged my hearing pretty significantly.
Broadcasters run in to this a lot. Rush Limbaugh has an implant to restore his hearing from what I remember and it’s attributed to wearing headphones for an extended period at elevated levels.
On Aug 27, 2015, at 12:18 PM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
I'd prefer not to wear headphones because I figure that can't be good for your hearing. I know there are studies that show that listening to loud music with headphones damages your hearing. I am unaware of any studies that show that listening to speech at a normal level damages your hearing. But why take the chance?
Having said that though, I am wearing a headset right now. I don't want my co-workers listening over my shoulder as it were. I know they'd prefer not to listen but I figure sometimes they can't help it. It's not just that I don't want them knowing my business. I'm not going to listen to porn or anything. But if I'm struggling with something, I don't want them over hearing.
I've compromised on wearing my headset over just one ear. I always use my left ear so if I lose hearing in that ear, it will probably be because of the headset.
On 08/27/2015 10:07 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
That would be a fine thing if someone compromised a machine because they over heard a password on a screen reader. Wow! Imagine that one. I’ve never thought about it much but that’s a pretty big risk. I always use headphones which is probably why I never thought about it but if someone really wanted to they could probably pick up the signal from my cans.
Well
On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:04 AM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
I've been a linux user for a while now but when I used Windows and openssh, I had a problem in that jaws would speak my password as I typed it in. I wrote a jaws script to stop that. I don't know if it would still work but here it is:
http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/pub/program.jss
On 08/27/2015 05:34 AM, Jen Bottom wrote: > I have OpensSH installed on a Windows box at work and that works > fine > for connecting to other machines. > > I use a 'config' file in my user's '.ssh' directory for managing > keys etc. > > I think iti came with GitBash, but you might well be able to get it > via Chocolaty, if you kike that sort of package manager, or just > download it from the net. > > I used to use Putty for connecting in when working at home, but I > found it a lot of faff. Give me a nice config file any day :) > > Hope this helps, > Jen! > > On 8/24/15, Chris Nestrud <ccn@chrisnestrud.com> wrote: >> Emphasis on the simple--they don't provide the insert-q info. >> >> If you press ctrl-shft-r, they should toggle between reading and >> ignoring >> incoming text. >> >> The scripts are named "ssh" because that is what JFW is expecting >> for this >> program. >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Chris: >>> >>> I downloaded your scripts and SecureCRT, but have a >>> question/problem. >>> All the scripts are for ssh, but the SecureCRT program isn't >>> called >>> that. How do I know they're in service, especially since I didn't >>> find >>> any I didn't find any ScriptFileName function, so I put one in, >>> and >>> when I press JAWS Key Q, JAWS tells me I'm running the default >>> scripts. >>> >>>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:57:11 -0500, you wrote: >>>> >>>> I use Secure CRT and some very simple JAWS scripts for screen >>>> echo that I >>>> wrote and >>>> placed here: >>>> >>>> http://chrisnestrud.com/projects/jfw/scrt >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:33:21PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote: >>>>> I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't bad >>>>> with >>>>> the >>>>> simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the >>>>> net until >>>>> you >>>>> try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I >>>>> think we >>>>> probably have to find a different way to edit files on the >>>>> remote >>>>> machine >>>>> though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to >>>>> work >>>>> good. >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" >>>>> <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>> To: "Blind sysadmins list" >>>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that >>>>> mess. >>>>> TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with >>>>> PUTTY. >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >>>>>> Fr?n: Blind-sysadmins >>>>>> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] F?r >>>>>> Steve >>>>>> Matzura >>>>>> Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 >>>>>> Till: Blind sysadmins list >>>>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>>>> ?mne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>>>> >>>>>> How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, >>>>>> and found >>>>>> I >>>>>> have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the >>>>>> other >>>>>> system. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, >>>>>>> Secure >>>>>>> CRT >>>>>>> is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is >>>>>>> very >>>>>>> good >>>>>>> though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including >>>>>>> serial. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura >>>>>>>> <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a >>>>>>>> simple >>>>>>>> JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances >>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>> make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with >>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>> Soon >>>>>>>> as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll >>>>>>>> probably >>>>>>>> ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something >>>>>>>> better, or >>>>>>>> something that can be changed in the script I have for it, >>>>>>>> I'm all >>>>>>>> about trying it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> TIA >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >
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