Wow, how many times have I heard people get the name of Window-Eyes wrong. It Is Not Windows-Eyes. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Sean Murphy Sent: 16 June 2016 12:05 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Merger between VFO group and AI Squared. Interesting move. I have wanted something like this for ages. Why? As there is really good features in Windows-eyes and Jaws. Merging them together as a single product will really make a powerful product. Zoom text is a far better product then Magic from my sources. So don’t know what will occur here. Hopefully they merge the two screen readers together and take the best bits from each to build a new product that stands on the shoulders of the two previous products. There is still Cobra, Dolphin screen readers which I don’t know how much of the market they have. Never used them and don’t know how good they are. NVDA well lets see what happens as it is the up coming program. I better learn it seriously. The apple accessibility framework is quite good. There are a lot of issues with Voice-ver which apple have not addressed or will not. Examples: Run VMWare with any host. Voice-Over by default still takes priority over the caps lock and doesn’t give control to the guess OS. This is a Apple issue, not a VMWare issue. If I am in a guess OS, then the caps lock should be controlled by the Guess OS, not Mac OS. Open a terminal. Display a directory with ‘ls’ -l”. Now try and get to the beginning of one of the directory listings with a single key. If you can work this one out, then I would be highly grateful as you cannot from my research and playing. Under windows if you use the similar feature, it is a single keystroke. This is just a basic navigation feature. If you use face time and other like programs. There are controls which Voice-Over doesn’t see or is included in the tab order. I only found this one out today. The windows screen reader’s do have there issues. So none of them are perfect and do have issues. finally, will MS buy out the screen readers? Based upon a previous post, maybe not or has the environment changed in the accessibility world. NFB and ACB how much truely are they doing to change the landscape with accessible main stream products so people can get jobs? I keep hearing different stories. Love to know. Sean These are some of the minor annoying issues other then controls
On 16 Jun 2016, at 11:10 AM, Brent Harding <brent@hostany.net> wrote:
I am worried a little on what might come of the screen reader market. For work, the Jaws cursor and little tricks are absolutely required for the phone control program and another program I use, the rest is web-based, and besides needing to be able to click a graphic at times and fiddle around to expand items that are expandable inside a combo box, that part generally works. The phone part almost requires braille cursor routing buttons to even activate, as those are more precise than the JFW cursor, or it likes that kind of signal better, but I need the display anyways for verbatim disclosures. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G Heim" <jheim@math.wisc.edu> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Merger between VFO group and AI Squared.
I already mentioned in my previous post that several years ago, Microsoft was asked not to develop a screen reader by blind advocacy groups. This was about the same time that Microsoft was in court under an anti-trust action for including a browser in it's operating system. I don't think it was difficult to talk Microsoft out of including a screen reader that might have driven the other screen reader developers out of business.
We should also be careful about giving Apple too much credit for including a screen reader in it's operating system. Under US law, they couldn't sell computers to schools, colleges, and universities unless there was a screen reader. It is probably not a coincidence that Apple came out with voiceover shortly after the only other screen reader for Mac OS went out of business. I will give Apple credit for not charging extra for voiceover and for having the foresight to put it on their IOS devices. They are now required by law to have a screen reader on their IOS devices but they had it way before it was required. Microsoft still hasn't caught up.
Like I said in my other message, I think it's all about enforcement. We have been depending on the NFB suing universities to keep them from ignoring federal laws and regulations and hoping that has a trickle down effect on the industry as a whole. Not a very sound system, IMO.
On 06/15/2016 09:17 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
I just wish Microsoft would include accessibility and put the whole lot out of business. Personally, all this talk makes me so happy I jumped off the windows bandwagon in 2008. VoiceOver has treated me better and fit in to my work flow better which works for me but everyone is different with different requirements. I’m just glad I don’t have to worry about my access solution being discontinued.
All that said, pending Microsoft entering the market and doing what they should have years ago I hope someone with quality products persists. Windows access is vital to us. It scares me one major competitor is disappearing.
On 6/15/16, 9:50 AM, "Blind-sysadmins on behalf of Ryan Shugart" <blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org on behalf of rshugart@ryanshugart.com> wrote:
As a Window-Eyes user, am I nervous? Absolutely. On the other hand though, the papers have been signed, AISquared as a business entity is no more, and there’s just not much we can do at this point. Do I have concerns? Yes. But, I don’t know what’s happening behind the closed doors, and in the end the market will shape out how it will shape out. A lot of people, myself included, have been saying the desktop screen reader market has needed a big shakeup for some time now. Well, we got it. Not quite what I was thinking but hey. For the moment we’re just in wait and see land, and things will fall as they will. I suspect this is probably just as much a shock for the devs on the JAWS side, and there’s probably as many questions going through their minds as on the Window-Eyes side. I don’t think Window-Eyes will continue as the product we know. But the same could be said for JAWS too, I have no idea what will end up happening but I predict it will be a change on both the JAWS and Window-Eyes sides. As for NVDA, I’m not sure there’s anything for them to be scared of really. I mean yes, there’s a big force now in the screen reader market, but my feeling is those who supported NVDA will continue to do so for the same reasons they always have, and NVDA will continue as a product just as it always has. And that is a good thing, it insures there’s still some competition out there. So my guess is it will be business as normal in NVDA land. And that’s fine with me. Ryan
-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins <blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> on behalf of Darragh Ó Héiligh <d@digitaldarragh.com> Reply-To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Date: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 5:38 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Merger between VFO group and AI Squared.
AI Squared has been merged into VFO group. I'm sure you've heard at this stage.
So, what do you think?
Are those of you who use Window Eyes worried? Do you see the VFO group retaining both Jaws and Window Eyes?
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