Hi, You should really try and boot the system with one stick installed to determine what does and doesn't work. Dell's will often give you a press F1 to continu type warning when the amount of RAM has changed so nothing to worry about. F2 will just be the BIOs so you don't need to do that. Cheers, Ben. On 10/17/15, Katherine Moss <Katherine.Moss@gordon.edu> wrote:
I figured out, I think why those ram modules in the PowerEdge are screwed up. Part of it makes sense, but part of it does not. Crucial sent me dual-sided modules when the ones from dell are single-sided. The last set of dual-sided modules I had didn't work either, so whenever the crucial ones are in there without the Dell ones present, it flashes a red light on its front panel. And I now know that they are seated properly for I heard all four of them click just like I'm supposed to. You told me about that ... But the funny part of this is if it were caused by the dual-sidedness (Isn't that also called dual-ranking or dual-channel?) it wouldn't be showing up as if one of the crucial and one of the dell modules is recognized, now would it? I'm also getting a message that says "strike the F1 key to continue, or press F2 to run the system setup program." Should I run that as well? I've heard that on some systems that happens.
-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 1:06 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Motherboards
Unfortunately I've got no excess equipment, but I'm probably going to be hunting a second Dell PowerEdge server (preferably a newer rack model) and a Dell Networking or Dell powerConnect switch ... Not yet though, where 'm currently living, not much room left. Will probably have to wait until I get my own place considering most of my equipment runs resources for my friend's company, so I can't have outside people being dependent on something I'd be taking away with me.
-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of John G Heim Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 11:54 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Motherboards
Well, not so much any more. The UW opened a supercomputer center a few years ago. I probably should have seen if I could transfer over there but I'm not really a supercomputer expert. I'm happy here though. We still have a cluster of over 200 cpus but our biggest stand-alone machines have "only" 32 cores and 256Gb of ram. That 8-1 ratio ram/cpu is not what a lot of researchers want. A lot of them want like 20-1 and we don't have anything like that.
We did send a bunch of quad-core I5s off to the surplus store recently. But I got permission to take two of them home so I could build my own little supercomputer -- if you can call a cluster with 8 cores and 16Gb a supercomputer. It has all the features of a supercomputer w/o the "super" part. I was practicing writing parallelized code on it. If yu can write code to run on 8 cores, you can write it to run on 2048.
On 10/14/2015 10:25 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
I'd take your excess, something tells me you have some cool excess gear over there.:)
On Oct 14, 2015, at 9:24 AM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
Wow. Well, Katherine, if you ever want to get rid of a particularly quiet server, I have some really noisy ones I'd be willing to part with.
On 10/13/2015 05:29 PM, Katherine Moss wrote:
Another thing I like, is I like noisy servers, so oddly, I take the loudest fans into consideration; I like to hear my equipment roar ...
-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of John G Heim Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 10:47 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Motherboards
You have to match the cpu to the motherboard anyway. Even if it fit, an AMD cpu wouldn't work in a motherboard designed for an Intel cpu.
When choosing components, a lot of people rely on gaming sites. Google for "best build for gaming" or something like that. You'll find recommendations for cpu & mobo combinations. You can do that or you can figure it out yourself. Usually, you pick the cpu based on your bang for the buck needs. An Intel I7 costs a lot more than an I5. Or maybe you decide an AMD 6-core cpu is what you want. Then you find a mobo that takes the kind of cpu you selected. Maybe you want a mobo on-board audio. Personally, I won't buy a mobo without a serial port header block. Then you add ram, a hard drive, power supply and case. I always buy my cases in person from a local computer store. I like trying to open the case before I buy it. I want to know how substantial it is and if it is likely to rattle.
I don't build a new machine every year and the last couple I've build have had Intel processors. I am not sure how an AMD processor goes into the socket. An Intel processor has a notch to show which way is right side up. I've heard people say they used the knfbReader app to confirm which way is up. All you have to do is drop the processor into the socket and lock it in place with a lever. Then you set the fan on it and lock that in place with another lever on the fan. You probably can mess it up but with a reasonable amount of care, it will go fine.
Lovely ... could be confusing. Wwhy I don't build my own hardware ... LOL
-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ben Mustill-Rose Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 8:11 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Hardware refresher: speaking as a blind person
AMD's have pins on the CPU but not on the socket; Intel's have pins on the socket but not on the CPU.
On 10/12/15, John G. Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
One time I bent the pins on a cpu while putting it into a socket. I'm not sure they even make cpus with pins any more. Edge connectors
a ram stick or an expansion card are different. I am sure it's
to break them but it would be difficult.
PS: I took the cpu with the bent pins to a place that builds PCs and they bent the pins back and put it in the socket. Cost me $40 but it was basically a happy ending.
On 10/12/2015 02:59 PM, Katherine Moss wrote: > It's interesting though to discover that force isn't actually bad. Now, > what about breaking the contacts when dealing with a particularly > difficult component? Has that ever happened to you? One of the gold pins > just breaks right off? Or do you really have to be a moron for
> happen? Someone once told me a story of a guy who managed to insert ram > modules contact side up, causing the entire board to need to be replaced, > and apparently, it was on a 3000-dollar gaming desktop for a customer ... > guy got fired LOL. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Blind-sysadmins > [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of > Scott Wheat > Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 3:48 PM > To: 'Blind sysadmins list' > Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Hardware refresher: speaking as a blind > person > > Katherine, > > John is definitely right here. As long as your hands are clean and dry, it > is highly unlikely that you will do any damage by touching the contacts to > get oriented. > Where I work, we constantly put desktop machines in some very
> environments. The air is full of very fine gunk from plasma cutters, sand > blasters etc. It is not unheard of for us to open up a desktop case and > vacume thick layer of fine steel dust out of the case. While we do have > components fail, probably because of the environment, it is not as often > as you might think. For that reason, I don't let a bit of oil from my > fingers stop me. I also don't recommend treating hardware as badly as we > sometimes do! <GRIN> > > Have fun! > > Scott > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Blind-sysadmins > [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of John > G. Heim > Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 1:29 PM > To: Blind sysadmins list > Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Hardware refresher: speaking as a blind > person > > The problem with touching the gold contacts is that oil from your fingers > gets on the pins. It can change the resistance. There is a one in a > million chance it will ever matter but it's not totally bogus to say you > shouldn't touch those pins. You could just wipe them off with a terry > cloth rag after you're done feeling them. I never bother to do
> though. > > There are a lot of myths out there. I hesitate to tell you to
> caution to the wind. There is no point in taking unnecessary chances. > But I know a lot of technicians use bad logic when figuring what happened > when a component goes bad. It's essentially just superstitions. > a black cat crossed their path and the computer went down. The two events > were not really related but you'd never convince them of that. > > I can't say with absolute certainty that it is safe but I've been feeling > my way around motherboards for 30 years and never hurt anything. I did > break a motherboard once. It was 20 years ago and it was one of
> motherboards where you put the ram in straight and bend it over to snap it > into place. I broke off one of the clips and the whole motherboard had to > be replaced. But one motherboard in 30 years ain't bad. I'll bet a lot of > sighted people have worse records. > > I am typing this message on a PC I built entirely by myself from > components I bought at newegg. I installed the motherboard in the case, > installed the cpu and fan, the ram, and every thing else. I haven't > bought a pre-assembled PC for 20 years partly for the fun of doing it > myself and partly because if I build it myself, I can get exactly what I > want. > > On 10/12/2015 01:52 PM, Katherine Moss wrote: >> Oh. So then you can actually touch it? The notch on the slot? No wonder >> my friend said that ... But the situation that keeps coming back to mind >> was the time when I was trying to insert a card under somebody's watch, >> and this guy all-out yelled at me (sighted and a know-it-all), due to the >> simple fact that due to its closeness to the PCIe slot, I bumped
>> bottom of the card against a capacitor and he flipped and all but pushed >> me away from the server. On that model, you kind of can't avoid whacking >> the caps because they are so close to the card slots. The same with the >> ram slots. Not sure what the heck this guy's problem was, but his >> attitude never did anything good for my confidence. Anyway. So, >> considering we go by feel anyway, though oftentimes instructions will say >> not to touch the gold terminals on the bottom, I'd assume
>> I have an antistatic wrist strap, which I do, I'm good? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Blind-sysadmins >> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of >> John G. Heim >> Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 2:26 PM >> To: Blind sysadmins list >> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Hardware refresher: speaking as a blind >> person >> >> All this is going to be really easy once you get used to it. You won't be >> able to put the ram in wrong. The notch in the ram stick has to line up >> with a bump on the slot or it won't go in. You can tell if it kind of >> rocks back and forth when you line it up then the notch isn't aligned >> with the bump and you should swing it around 180 degrees. I do this all >> the time. I take a stick of ram out, set it down, and then don't know >> which way to put it back in. But it's easy to figure out. >> >> Even the most experienced sighted hardware administrator occasionally has >> trouble getting ram lined up correctly and snapped into the slot. >> It's not particularly difficult for blind people because once you get the >> ram close to the slot, you mostly have to do it by feel anyway. What you >> are working through isjust normal lack of experience. It will get easier >> once you have done it a few times. >> >> >> On 10/12/2015 12:05 PM, Katherine Moss wrote: >>> Indeed I did. Both sets of modules are interesting; I've got
>>> of Crucial modules (on the outer edges) and the set of stock Dell >>> modules (until I replace them with Crucial ones.) The del ones have >>> chips only on a single side, while the crucial ones have chips on both >>> sides. And by the way, the little notch on the bottom of the module, >>> which side does that go on? The left or the right? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Blind-sysadmins >>> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of >>> Darragh Ó Héiligh >>> Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 1:00 PM >>> To: Blind sysadmins list >>> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Hardware refresher: speaking as a >>> blind person >>> >>> I think you said this was going into a Dell server? >>> Is the RAM very thin with bumps or is it quite thick with a smooth >>> matalic finish? >>> >>> Either way it will go in more or less the same but if it has a smooth >>> matalic finish you'll need more fource and I wouldn't worry about >>> breaking anything. All RAM should be made like this. The stuff is >>> practically bullet proof. >>> >>> Darragh >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Blind-sysadmins >>> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of >>> Katherine Moss >>> Sent: Monday 12 October 2015 17:17 >>> To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Hardware refresher: speaking as a >>> blind person >>> >>> I never heard that with any of them yesterday ... no wonder we've got >>> two of them not angled correctly ... I'll try again, and
>>> spend a bit more time rather than trying to do it in a rush. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Blind-sysadmins >>> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of >>> Jackie McBride >>> Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 12:12 PM >>> To: Blind sysadmins list >>> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Hardware refresher: speaking as a >>> blind person >>> >>> The truth is that often these memory chips make a horrible crackling >>> sound when they seat correctly, & it scares the snot out of u, but it's >>> what it's supposed to sound like, at least in a desktop. U don't >>> generally want that sort of sound in a laptop lol. >>> >>> Also, these chips usually need to be inserted into the slot at an angle, >>> i.e., like 45 degrees, then pushed straight up into the slot, which is >>> what makes that nasty sound. A wrist strap, or, conversely, touching a >>> nonpainted metal surface in order to discharge static electricity before >>> installing components is a good thing. >>> >>> On 10/12/15, Katherine Moss <Katherine.Moss@gordon.edu> wrote: >>>> Thanks. I'll try that. You wonder why there are so many red-letter >>>> warnings about damage when often force needs to be applied anyway to >>>> get the component to fit properly? It would be nice, for that tends >>>> to intimidate the less confident, or first-time learners. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Blind-sysadmins >>>> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf >>>> Of Mobeen Iqbal >>>> Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 11:59 AM >>>> To: Blind sysadmins list >>>> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Hardware refresher: speaking as a >>>> blind person >>>> >>>> Right. Find an existing stick in the server. At either end of
>>>> stick, you will feel a clip. Push both clips away from each other to >>>> eject the ram stick from the server. Make sure you don't flip
>>>> stick over or turn it round. Lift it out gently holding it the same >>>> way you took it out. Put another stick of ram against it and feel >>>> the bottom edge to see if the notches on both sticks match. If
>>>> are not in alinement, turn the second stick around and put it >>>> against the first stick and see if the notches match. By turning >>>> round, I mean turning it 180 degrees. If they still do not match, >>>> then the ram sticks are differing specifications. Put the first >>>> stick back in to the slot you took the ram out of, pressing down >>>> firmly so both clips come towards each other as you push
>>>> to place. There should be a satisfying click assuming its in the same >>>> way you took it out. >>>> Try the same with the second stick, push both clips in the empty >>>> slot away from each other and slot the second stick in to
>>>> it doesn't go in 1 way, try turning it round 180 degrees and >>>> slotting it in. The edge with the notch on it will always need to be >>>> on the bottom edge. That should be about it. If when you turn
>>>> server on you have no display output or beeps, something isn't right >>>> and its either not seated properly or the server is picky about >>>> brands. As I said, if you aren't sure about any of the above, it may >>>> be best to have someone sighted show you initially. It depends how >>>> confident you are and how willing to experiment you are. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Mo. >>>> >>>> >>>> Katherine Moss <Katherine.Moss@gordon.edu> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I see that, but getting a sighted person to do it for you doesn't >>>>> teach you anything ... that's why I came here. I need someone to >>>>> remind me how to do this as a blind person considering all last >>>>> year my opportunities were sort of extinguished every time. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Blind-sysadmins >>>>> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf >>>>> Of Mobeen Iqbal >>>>> Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 11:45 AM >>>>> To: Blind sysadmins list >>>>> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Hardware refresher: speaking as a >>>>> blind person >>>>> >>>>> If you are not sure, then don't force the stick in to the slot and >>>>> obtain sighted help. Alternatively, any reputable computer shop >>>>> should be able to install it for you without cost. Where abouts are >>>>> you based? >>>>> If you are anywhere near lincolnshire in the UK I would be happy to >>>>> drop by and lend a hand. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Mo. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Katherine Moss <Katherine.Moss@gordon.edu> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks. Basically the issue is putting them in ... after my >>>>>> ex-boyfriend touched the server and was rougher than I'd have >>>>>> liked with it, I've not felt none too comfortable messing with >>>>>> hardware fearing that I'll press down too hard and fry something >>>>>> (as instructions often say "don't touch the components, damage can >>>>> occur.") >>>>>> Yet my partially blind and CompTIA certified friend says it's okay >>>>>> to touch them and instruction manuals are being too cautious ... >>>>>> (He >>>>> needs >>>>>> to be on this list as well.) Anyway, but the actual issue for me >>>>>> at least is feeling for the slot, how far to push down on
>>>>>> module to ensure that I do not damage either the component or
>>>>>> board. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Blind-sysadmins >>>>>> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf >>>>>> Of Mobeen Iqbal >>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 10:54 AM >>>>>> To: Blind sysadmins list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Hardware refresher: speaking as a >>>>>> blind person >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi. Yep unless you mix and match, you shouldn't have any issues. >>>>>> Most people don't even notice to be honest, I didn't know until >>>>>> the first one I started working on began beeping. I was sat
>>>>>> racking my brains and the only thing that seemed different was the >>>>>> brand. Best thing to do is try it if you have some spare sticks. >>>>>> Some dell boards are fine some aren't which is a real shame. My >>>>>> favourite boards are asus, they couldn't care less in most cases what >>>>>> brand you use. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> All the best, >>>>>> >>>>>> Mo. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "John G. Heim" <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Wow, thanks. I've been working on Dell servers for years and >>>>>>> never >>>>>> knew >>>>>>> about the different slots. We almost never buy 2 different kinds >>>>>>> of >>>>>> ram >>>>>>> for our machines so I guess it never came up before. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 10/12/2015 09:41 AM, Mobeen Iqbal wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In dell machines, the sticks in the black slots have to match >>>>>>>> and >>>>>> the >>>>>>> ones in the white slots have to match. Make sure the ram is
>>>>>>> same spec i.e ddr2, ddr3 etc. Normally the config is black white >>>>>>> black white. When you say you were struggling to insert it, what >>>>>>> was the problem specifically? If its not seating properly, check >>>>>>> the notch >>>>> and >>>>>>> contacts are lining up correctly. I am totally blind and have >>>>>>> seldom had any issues with ram in dell machines, but some as you >>>>>>> say can be pigs to work on and can be very fiddly especially if >>>>>>> there is not >>>>> much >>>>>>> clearance. I have also known dells to be picky about the brand of >>>>>>> memory. Its also not recommended to mix ecc and non ecc ram. >>>>>>>> All the best, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mo. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Katherine Moss <Katherine.Moss@gordon.edu> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>>>>> Just had a rather embarrassing moment yesterday when I >>>>>>>>> attempted >>>>> to >>>>>>>>> insert some new ram modules into my server and then realized >>>>>> shortly >>>>>>>>> afterward that either, I don't know how the heck to do it >>>>>>>>> anymore, >>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>> I'm too skittish to, due to last year's events (had a >>>>>>>>> particular >>>>>>> person >>>>>>>>> in my life who thought he knew it all, and for him, teaching me >>>>> and >>>>>>>>> nurturing my tech interests was not in the cards.) Well, so as >>>>>> blind >>>>>>>>> individuals, how do we insert ram modules properly? (I, or >>>>>>>>> rather >>>>>> my >>>>>>>>> father, added eight gigabytes to the existing four, though now >>>>> only >>>>>>> two >>>>>>>>> slots appear to be filled.) They must not be seated
>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>> he, fully sighted, was struggling with it as well. If it helps, >>>>> the >>>>>>>>> model server I have is a Dell PowerEdge T110, and from what >>>>>>>>> I've >>>>>>> heard, >>>>>>>>> that board's a pain in the butt to work with. When working with >>>>> ram >>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>> a blind person, is a motherboard a motherboard? Or are
>>>>>>>>> different? And not to mention the color codes? (this
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On 10/12/2015 07:35 PM, Katherine Moss wrote: like on possible that to dirty that throw those the that as long as the one set this time I'll the the they the stick in place. If the the the there the properly, they all particular there's likely
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