Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Weastern Hard disk problem

Even if the head is bad, if the drive is not under warranty, they won't help. Even if it is, I think they'll likely only replace the drive, not recover the data. I could be wrong, however. On 1/12/14, Ibraam Wahib wrote:

hello friends i know that hard-disk head is wake so i think the company will move data for me on another hard after this i can try software on it for learning only. but is electric cut could be a reason for head wakeness? many thanks to all of you for your care and help

On 1/10/14, Jackie McBride wrote:

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Seriously? Catherine, a quick google of data recovery techniques will show u that there is equipment these people employ, such as clean room technologies, that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. 1 dust particle in the head of a hard drive can cause things to literally grind to a halt. We may all be professionals here, but none of us are likely worth that kind of money. It's for that reason they charge those sorts of prices, & clean-room technology is just 1 example.

On 1/10/14, Katherine Moss wrote:

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Now, you guys keep talking about needing professional help at certain points where a drive is dead. What's so professional about it that us smarties can't learn how to handle it ourselves? We're all professionals anyway on this list, aren't we?

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ibraam Wahib Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 12:02 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Weastern Hard disk problem

many thanks for your care i tried to use windows version of DD but i think it's not accessible, do you suggest accessible program let me make an image to this disk? and may find a software to scan this image to get data back from it. thanks

On 1/10/14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

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Hi,

This http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYSB7_QfaFc video is a good summary of what it does. Unfortunately, what Steve forgets to tell you is that in some situations, spinrite "begging" for the data actually causes the condition of the drive to worsen, which as I said in my last message will usually result in you needing pro help to get any of the data back.

Cheers, Ben.

On 1/9/14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

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Hi,

I have to agree with Kerry here; part of the problem with Spinrite is that people run it without really knowing that much about what could be wrong with the drive and as Kerry has said, what happens sometimes is a week head becomes a dead head, which turns the job from a potentially DIY type situation into something that will need professional help.

Another problem with it is that it writes to the source drive, which is just a really stupid idea. Big newsflash here, but if you're drives not functioning correctly, you should be aiming to get as much data off it as possible and not to carry on using it as if nothing has happened.

The only slightly good thing about it is its maintenance mode, although this really isn't worth paying for. All it does is 0 fill the drive so that any slow sectors are hopefully marked as bad & moved into the gList. You can do this with free software though; a couple of examples that spring to mind are MHDD (dos) or Western Digitals Data Lifeguard diagnostics which is a Windows program and works on all drives - not just WD's.

If we put aside accessibility & cost constraints, the best software for imaging dead drives is media tools pro although it doesn't appear to be developed anymore. There are a few reasons why I would suggest this software:

1: You can clone in reverse. If you have for arguments sake 1GB of bads at the beginning of a drive, you can grab the rest of the drive at a good speed and then go back and try and read everything you couldn't previously. If you do manage to get anything extra, MTP automatically writes it to the destination drive in the right place. Additionally, even if you disregard all of the unimagable parts, you may already have all the data that you require using this approach. 2: MTP can control power to the drive. In some instances, a drive might respond well for a few hundred thousand LBA's for example but might then completely lock up. If the drive can be spun down / up automatically, whilst the image will take a *long* time to complete, it will take much less time than it would do if you were to manually control power to the drive. 3: MTP is generally more professional software. Steve Gibson is very clever, but I've always scene spinrite as more of a gimmick in comparison to other data recovery software. All you have to do is search for spinrite on a site like hddguru and you'll be able to read what the real professionals have to say about it.

JMO of course.

Cheers, Ben.

On 1/9/14, Kerry Hoath wrote:

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I have had spinrite kill drives that wer failing, pushed them beyond their limits causing them to hard fail.

You get a utility that reads the data off the drive _once_ and try that first.

dd is useful, dcfldd is better as it allows resume and retest of certain areas. Regards, Kerry.

On 10/01/2014 12:38 AM, Scott Granados wrote: > What about Spinrite? WOuldn’t that possibly do the trick? > > On Jan 9, 2014, at 11:33 AM, Chris Smart wrote: > > >> There are restoration services that will try to recover your data >> for you, but they aren't cheap. >> >> Is your data more valuable monetarily than the cost of a new drive? >> >> and, DON'T FORGET TO BACK UP REGULARLY next time. >> >> At 08:52 AM 1/9/2014, you wrote: >> >>> hello dears >>> >>> please, which program do the image for such unalocated disk to >>> try to access it by data-back or another? >>> another thing, am i find a software scan the disk to identify the >>> problem for me? >>> many thanks >>> >>> On 1/9/14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Yes, Vinux and most other Linux distributions will contain the >>>> DD command, although you will have to run this through the >>>> terminal as it doesn't have a gui. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Ben. >>>> >>>> On 1/9/14, Ibraam Wahib wrote: >>>> >>>>> dear ben >>>>> thanks for your care >>>>> please, which program let me image it sector by sector as you >>>>> mentioned another thing is vinux live cd contain dd app you >>>>> told me about? >>>>> sorry i've not background in such problems >>>>> thanks >>>>> >>>>> On 1/8/14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> I would suggest imaging it, sector by sector, to a known good >>>>>> 80GB or larger drive then using software like Get Data Back or >>>>>> rStudio to attempt to recover the files. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you can boot into something like Vinux, dd should be able >>>>>> to handle the imaging, although if the drive has physical >>>>>> problems, bare in mind that attempting to access the drive may >>>>>> cause the problems to get worse, to the point where you will >>>>>> have to send it to a data recovery company if you require the >>>>>> data. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Ben. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 1/8/14, Ibraam Wahib wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> hello sirs >>>>>>> please, i've big problem hope i found one help me >>>>>>> >>>>>>> suddenly my hard disk at home stope working and i wasn't make >>>>>>> back-up for my data it gave me unalocated disk don't know >>>>>>> what's wrong, any solve for this problem? >>>>>>> what i shall use to identify the problem and how i get my data. >>>>>>> note: hard disk is 80 gb, c is ntfs, and the another >>>>>>> partations fat32, hard disk is data caple. >>>>>>> wait your guide if you please >>>>>>> thanks >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >

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