Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Fullyfuncional windows 10screen readerpetition

John, It wasn't anyone's main intention to impact FreedomScientific in any way by encouraging Microsoft to develop a fully featured screen reader.

Very simply, try to use a tablet at the moment running windows 8.1. The best experience is with Narator. This even works in IE and word along with the on screen keyboard.

Jaws and NVDA fail terribly with touch screens.

Now also look at Office on an iPhone or iPad. The accessibility is outstanding.

Microsoft are taking accessibility seriously but we need to keep the

The only truly accessible appsare Phone, Messages and Mail from the brief look I've had. No storeapps hhave been accessible. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of mattias Sent: 13 January 2015 16:35 To: 'Blind sysadmins list' Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Fullyfuncional windows 10screen readerpetition But are windows phone accessible for blind users? -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of John G Heim Sent: den 13 januari 2015 17:29 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Fullyfuncional windows 10screen readerpetition I didn't express an opinion on the petition itself. At this point I have no opinion. But here are some thoughts ... You have probably heard of the Twenty-First Century Communications and Video Accessibility Act (CVAA). This law requires smart phones sold in the USA to be accessible. I have to admit to being a little lax in my responsibilities as President of IAVIT in that I haven't really familiarized myself with the law. I am guessing it delegates to a agency the task of deciding what qualifis as accessible. But the quality of narrator on your Windows phone is almost certainly Microsoft's answer to this law. I've been in a lot of debates with Mac users who insist that Apple is just a nice company and Microsoft is evil. Mostly, they acknowledge my point that Apple had to create voiceover or they wouldn't be able to sell Macs to schools. There's another law that says computers in schools have to be accessible. The one point that people make that does carry some weight is that voiceover is way better than it has to be to just get by legally. I'm not actually sure that's true. But it is true that voiceover has gotten better with each release and Apple does seem to be committed to keeping it a quality screen reader. My guess is that the reason Apple is so committed to voiceover is that nothing is going to make a school administrator angrier than to buy a bunch of Macs because they come with a screen reader only to find out they don't work with whatever software they happen to have in the classroom. Take, for example, the NFB's lawsuit against those 3 universities that were going to buy all their students Kindles. I'm sure the school administrators weren't exactly happy with the NFB. But I'll bet they weren't too happy with Amazon either. So I don't know what to think about the petition yet. Mostly I think it is a grain of sand on a huge beach. There are forces at work here way beyond our control. It may have been this list where I talked about this last week. I don't think most blind people realize the amount of work that is being done on their behalf. Like the Twenty-First Century Communications and Video Accessibility Actand the Marakesh Treaty on copyright exemption -- this stuff didn't come out of no where. I do admit that sometimes a small thing can make a big difference. That NFB lawsuit, for example, was like a dagger thrust from a halfling rogue that takes down a stone giant (if you play D&D). On 01/13/2015 09:55 AM, Darragh Ó Héiligh wrote: pressure on so that every new team set up under Nadella knows about the impact of not including accessibility. They can do it. They've proven it with the touch first version of Office for IOS.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of John G Heim Sent: 13 January 2015 15:44 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Fully funcional windows 10screen readerpetition

I doubt that at this point additional competition could provide more

motivation for Freedom Scientific. My guess is that Freedom Scientific already has all the competition it needs.

My opinion is that we shouldn't make plans which assume Freedom Scientific

will be around in 5 years. Any company can go out of business. And I have no information that FS is particularly vulnerable at this point. I just think it would be wise to not assume they'll be around in a few years.

I am against doing anything for the purpose of helping or hindering

Freedom Scientific. That's out of our hands and considering the effect of our decisions on FS can only lead us down the wrong path.

On 01/13/2015 07:43 AM, Greg B. wrote:

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I have voted for this using every email address I have. I think the scare of Microsoft taking things into its own hands could shake up companies like Freedom Scientific and make them work a little harder to improve their products.

Greg B.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of mattias Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 7:57 AM To: 'Blind sysadmins list' Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Fully funcional windows 10screen readerpetition

Angel do you meen windows eyes? I have never understand window eyes To many settings

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Darragh Ó Héiligh Sent: den 13 januari 2015 13:06 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Fully funcional windows 10screen readerpetition

Please just vote for this. Nothing bad will come of it.

At minimum it will highlight this need and at most it will result in a little more consideration added to Nerator.

The more MS work on a screen reader, the more they will find the problems that FS, GW and NV struggle with and hopefully the more will be

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A Windows screen reader won't necessarily spell the end for Freedom Scientific or NVDA. It will generate more competition and this can only be a good thing.

As I said as well, if Microsoft develop a screen reader, they will most likely base it on UIA and maybe UIA will become more wide spread and more reliable.

Also, Maybe Microsoft will learn from their trials and tribulations and release better documentation and standards for third party app developers to follow. This should be a win win for everyone.

Go vote. IT takes 3 seconds.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Angel Sent: 13 January 2015 12:03 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Fully funcional windows 10 screen readerpetition

If this fully functioning screen reader is implemented, it will be interesting to read the faults with it found by those who cried for it in the first place, and how different it will be from that which the specialist companies provide now. Why don't those who want a fully functioning screen reader just purchase Microsoft Office 10 or above, and have their screen reader? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Murphy" To: "Blind sysadmins list" Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 4:56 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Fully funcional windows 10 screen readerpetition

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Sorry I don't agree with this. If ms want to include a full screen reader then sponser NVDA Or buy one of the available screen readers. Even better provide a full API for accessiblity like Apple and let the small specialist companies do the thing. Then you get the best of both worlds.

My experience is the part

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On 13 Jan 2015, at 9:34 am, Mario Percinic wrote:

Hey everyone. someone has started a petition on microsoft's own windows 10 forum to add a fully functional screen reader to windows. If the petition gets enough votes, microsoft will consider it as an addition to windows

fixed. 10.

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Please sign in and spred it around as much as possible. If we get enough votes, there is huge possibility that we could press microsoft to actually do something about it.

the link for the petition is: https://windows.uservoice.com/forums/265757-windows-feature-suggest i o ns/suggestions/6942363-add-a-native-fully-functional-screen-reader- t o -wi

-- Mario Percinic Accessibility consultant mario.percinic@gmail.com skype: acousticman gsm: +385922630259

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