I'll certainly keep the feedback coming ... only a little while longer till
we get Sharepoint fully deployed, I think.
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From: Blind-sysadmins
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Gianugo Rabellino
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 2:33 PM
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Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Introductions
Thanks Andrew - that's insightful. As I was discussing with CSUN attendees
yesterday, you made me realize I wasn't considering low vision scenarios and
how important they are. As I ramp up, I can only apologize for making newbie
mistakes and going through teething problems. I do extremely care about this
kind of feedback, so please keep at it.
Thanks,
Gianugo
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From: Blind-sysadmins
[mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew
Hodgson
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 7:00 AM
To: Blind sysadmins list
Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Introductions
Hi,
I have a possibly interesting take on the GUI verses CLI topic from a
Windows standpoint in any case. I have some sight, and can see specific
items on the screen. When I get presented with the Windows CLI when doing a
core server OS, it is in a very small window on the screen, and isn't hugely
easy to see for me at any rate. I also like the feedback the GUI gives me
for that initial setup, where I can see the windows opening and closing,
even if I am using my memory to type in specific keystrokes to get to where
I want to be. I know the CLI should be easier, but for me at the start I
prefer the GUI, then once I can remote to the server using PowerShell
remoting or similar, I carry on with that. I am very much looking forward
to SSH support in 2016.
Thanks.
Andrew.
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From: Blind-sysadmins [blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] on
behalf of Gianugo Rabellino [Gianugo.Rabellino@microsoft.com]
Sent: 24 March 2016 02:15
To: Blind sysadmins list
Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Introductions
Thanks Andrew for the warm welcome, and thanks for your context on devops.
Indeed I believe that devops can be a great opportunity: I have to confess
my undying love for command line interfaces and scripts rather than GUIs, so
no surprise here.
Something I'd be keen to know, in fact, is whether there is something we
could or should do on the command line front to make it more accessible and
usable. Note that this is no excuse to delay or underperform in providing
accessible web and GUI interfaces: I consider that an absolute minimum bar
that needs to be applied across the board with no exceptions, and I trust we
will get there.
At the same time though, and all things being equal, I wonder if you and
others in this community have a preference given the choice of a GUI
interface or a console/command line environment to perform typical system
administration tasks. In both cases, it would be very helpful for me to
understand what are the gaps and where we can work to make the system
administration experience more productive from an accessibility point of
view.
Thanks again for taking the time to write this, and likewise I'm looking
forward to future engagements with this list.
Gianugo
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From: Blind-sysadmins
[mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew
Hodgson
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 3:20 PM
To: Blind sysadmins list
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Hi Gianugo,
Welcome to this group. I am really pleased to see someone from Microsoft
join the group, and hope you won't be bombarded with lots of people asking
you for access tips or to vent issues with Microsoft products.
I am the group owner, and I came into the sysadmin world with a Linux intro
at home, followed by a swift Windows conversion when I joined a company. I
have mainly found the Microsoft products really usable with speech, and in
fact chose Windows because my sighted friends using Linux were mainly using
GUIs, which were in most cases non-standard and the access to those was very
sketchy. I am a fan of the remote administration tools, so rather than
remoting onto a server and getting the job done, I prefer accessing the
server remotely via a remote access protocol (RSAT tools are a very good
example of this working well). PowerShell remoting is another way this
works well.
Recently I have joined a DevOps team and whilst we are using the Windows
stack, the senior guys of the team mainly have a Linux background, and so it
is quite a challenge to fit in some of the technologies in a Windows stack.
It is getting a lot easier now, and I find the concept of defining stacks
using code really helpful as someone with limited vision, because I just
write the code, and can see the end product, which includes infrastructure
diagrams etc. Not fully there yet, but we're getting closer.
I manage Office365 tenants for a few organisations (mainly charities that
have donations from Microsoft), and I have found the recent console slightly
behind in access to its older brother. This may just be because I am new to
the new console, and in fact that is one thing which needs to be made clear:
Sometimes there isn't an access issue, but because everything has moved
round from where it was, it can take a long time for screen reader users to
catch up. I tend to use PowerShell to do most of the work these days,
illuminating the need for a console altogether, but it may be something to
look at.
Looking forward to future discussions with you on the list, Best, Andrew.
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From: Blind-sysadmins
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Gianugo Rabellino
Sent: 23 March 2016 18:28
To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Introductions
I had just subscribed to this list and I thought I'd quickly introduce
myself. My name is Gianugo Rabellino, and I am the newly minted director of
accessibility for Microsoft's Cloud+Enterprise division. My responsibility
roughly spans all the server side product lineup from Microsoft (Windows
Server, Azure, System Center, SQL Server, Power BI...) as well as our
developer tools (Visual Studio, VS Code, .NET and more).
As I'm ramping up and learning a lot about a11y, I found this list and I
thought it would be useful for me to subscribe and at the same time offer to
this group to be a Microsoft point of contact on top of our official
channels. While I'm directly responsible for the Cloud+Enterprise lineup,
I'm also part of a larger accessibility team across Microsoft, so I'd be
more than happy to connect to relevant colleagues if you have questions or
issues about other Microsoft products.
My background in the past 25 years has been in open source, and as such I'm
very passionate about having discussions in the open and interacting
transparently with the communities I'm working with. To that extent, I am
currently attending CSUN and I would love the opportunity to meet with
anyone on this group who happens to be in San Diego these days. Please don't
hesitate to contact me and we will certainly find a time. And if you're not
at CSUN, feel free to reach out all the same, on this list or privately: I
would really appreciate an opportunity to learn more and work together.
Looking forward to our future conversations,
--
Gianugo Rabellino
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