One more thing about the NFB. Several years ago, I was exchanging emails with Curtis Chong, the NFB's point man on computer accessibility issues. He frequently met with developers at Microsoft to discuss accessibility issues. It's a pretty cool thing actually -- Microsoft would regularly meet with blind representatives to try to find out what accessibility issues we had. I emailed Curtis to try to get him to bring up a problem with the accessibility of a Windows system administration tool. It's been many years since I was a Windows sys admin but I think it was called MMA. (Don't quote me on that.) But Curtis was not interested because blind systems admins are such a small population. An accessibility issue in Microsoft Word might effect hundreds of thousands of blind people. But a bug in, what was it?, MMA might effect a few hundred. He felt he couldn't waste valuable time talking about something like that. And that made a certain amount of sense to me. But to me, it said we needed our own group. That's when I got the idea to form the International Association Of Visually Impaired Technologists. It was at the moment when I read Curtis's email message saying he didn't want to waste time talking about a systems admin tool that I had the revalation that our accessibility needs are unfairly, in my opinion, taking a backseat to accessibility needs of the blind community as a whole. I say "unfairly" because while the accessibility issues in most of Microsofts products are fairly minor, an accessibility in a sys admin tool can be a show stopper. The bugs in Word and Excel that Curtis would work with Microsoft were probably not costing anybody their jobs. But a bug in a sys admin tool might. and not just any job, we are talking about some of the best jobs open to blind people. Nobody on this list probably makes as much as a typical airline pilot but none of us is ever going to be an airline pilot. But that line of reasoning just didn't have any traction with Curtis. That's when I said to myself that we need our own group. PS: You know who I've had the most success selling that line of reasoing to? Linux developers.