Ryan,
This is very interesting. Can you give me a point in the right direction
to speak to these people? I have actually had a lot of problems with the
VMWare view web client. Also, the SRM UI isn't exactly great.
Regards
Darragh Ó Héiligh
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From: Ryan Shugart
To: Blind sysadmins list ,
Date: 01/10/2012 15:11
Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] ESXI update policies.
Sent by: "Blind-sysadmins"
Hi Darragh:
Yeah I talked to them about that, and I do a lot of
PowerCLI myself. The problem is PowerCLI is designed more for scripting,
not so much for day to day use as an admin UI. They've had even normal
sighted administrators complain about that, but right now, some things are
kind of on the clunky side in the CLI. Granted, they're on the clunky
side in the UI too.
As far as their accessibility people go, they're there
because VMWare has to make their software 508 compliant and all that. They
said I'm the first blind admin who has come forward and said there is a
problem, so until now they've had no actual blind people to test and
confirm the accessibility meets their needs. Since its flex based, I
guess they've implemented some stuff Adobe said should work, but well,
doesn't in practice.
Ryan
-----Original Message-----
From: Blind-sysadmins [
mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of
Darragh OHeiligh
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 8:04 AM
To: Blind sysadmins list
Cc: Blind-sysadmins
Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] ESXI update policies.
Ryan,
They have accessibility people?
Wow! I didn't know that actually.
I have labeled most of the buttons that I've needed in the web UI.
One thing I'd love to do is move more toward using the CLI. Just
completely ignore the UI.
Regards
Darragh Ó Héiligh
Fujitsu
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Fredrick Building,
South Fredrick Street,
Dublin2
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From: Ryan Shugart
To: Blind sysadmins list ,
Date: 01/10/2012 15:01
Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] ESXI update policies.
Sent by: "Blind-sysadmins"
Hi Darragh:
Your experience is very different than mine, I've found a
lot of unlabeled buttons, some controls that didn't read properly, etc. I
don't think I'd be anywhere near as productive in the web client than I am
in the current VIC, as bad as it is. When I was at VMWorld in August, I
met with one of the product managers for the web client and talked with
him about my issues, then just last week one of their accessibility people
was out at my office and we went through the web client, and she took four
pages of notes. We're about to start a 5.1 rollout along with a SRM 5
implementation, we're going to do a side by side upgrade, where we leave
the old VCenter host up, and then migrate cluster by cluster to the new
environment, so the upgrade as a whole will take several months.
Ryan
-----Original Message-----
From: Blind-sysadmins [
mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of
Darragh OHeiligh
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 7:52 AM
To: Blind sysadmins list
Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] ESXI update policies.
I've had a play with the web client for 5.0 U1 and .... all I can say at
the moment is ... Meh.
IT's not bad! It's certainly not great!
No plans to jump to 5.1 just yet. We have a lot of VMWare services
running here such as view, VShield etc so a lot of testing will need to be
completed before I upgrade. I'm thinking of getting to it during the last
two weeks of December.
Regards
Darragh Ó Héiligh
Fujitsu
Offices of the Houses of the Oireachtas,
Fredrick Building,
South Fredrick Street,
Dublin2
Telephone: +353 (1) 618 3559
Email: darragh.oheiligh@oireachtas.ie
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From: Ryan Shugart
To: Blind sysadmins list ,
Date: 01/10/2012 14:44
Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] ESXI update policies.
Sent by: "Blind-sysadmins"
Hi Darragh:
We really don't have an ESXI update policy, it's a
whenever I get around to it sort of thing. We have ESX hosts located all
over the world, and many of them don't have other hosts I can VMotion
machines off to or anying like that. Some of those hosts actually have
never had updates applied because I can't get a good time to shut down the
VMs on them and install patches. The hosts in our main datacenters do get
updated every few months, and at that point I just install all available
updates. I honestly haven't really gotten the Update Manager interface to
work at all with Window-Eyes, so I use an Update Manager module for
PowerCLI. That works pretty well, but as I said it doesn't get me the
level of control as the GUI updatemanager has, but oh well. We've not had
any issues yet. On a similar note, what version of VC are you guys
running? Any plans to go to VC 5.1 anytime soon? Have you had a play
with the web client?
Ryan
-----Original Message-----
From: Blind-sysadmins [
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Darragh OHeiligh
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 7:10 AM
To: Blind sysadmins list
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] ESXI update policies.
Hello,
I was just wondering,
Do you have a policy for updating eSXI hosts?
Drawing from their recommendations at the following KB article it would
seem that VMware suggest that updates are applied very quickly after
release however as we all know, What software prociders suggest and what
is viable are two very different things. I applied a patch on Friday to
an ESXI cluster that was only four days old. Quite rightly, it was
flagged this morning by someone else here as being a possible risk.
http://www.vmware.com/support/policies/upgrade.html
It just got me thinking, the list for checking and unchecking updates
isn't the cleanest thing out there. It's very easy to let an update
through that is only out a few days.
1. Do you bother checking release dates?
2. If so, what is your policy? Do you leave updates to settle for a
month?
3. If you don't install some updates, What method have you developed to
distinguish bleeding edge updates?
Thanks.
I'm going to be asked about this in a meeting on wednesday so it would be
interesting to have others opinions. Of course, I should have caught the
patch that was four days old so, it's entirely my fault but as luck would
have it, it hasn't caused any problems. Their arguement will be, well, it
could have. It hasn't been out in the wild long enough to be tested by
the eSXI user base.
Regards
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Fujitsu
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