Hello, Clearly you have some experience of this subject. I apologise but I still think I am missing something here. |You said: Once I plugged in the flash drive, it booted right away into installation setup while in Secure Boot enabled / Legacy Support disabled mode. My questions are: How did you, as a blind person, independently discover the existing boot order? What did you have to do to ensure that the USB drive had boot priority over your hard drive? i.e. how did you change the boot order? or are you telling me that the boot order was set up in this way from the manufacturer? Many thanks, Mike. At 07:48 24/04/2018, Isaac wrote:
it is well documented on google. Hear is the following as the first google result below.
" 32bit is unable to boot on a UEFI GPT disk computer. Only 64bit will work." https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/dn640535(v=vs.85)....
I downloaded a Windows 8.1 Single Language 64 bit ISO strictly as a test (as Microsoft doesn't make Bing version available (yet?) for download), used Rufus to set partition scheme to GPT for UEFI and file system as FAT32 and created the new image.
WARNING: If your laptop came with Windows 8 or 8.1 with Bing you will not be able to install any other version of Windows 8 or 8.1 other than Bing. You might be able to use a generic key during setup to get it installed but your Windows will not be activated afterwards as your OEM key is integrated into your firmware and will not activate any other version of Windows 8 other than with Bing. Make sure you have secured either a recovery partition or ISO of this exact version before wiping off your hard drive. If you have used the correct Windows 8 with Bing ISO you will not be asked to enter a product key during setup but rather will be taken straight to the Terms & Policy agreement page.
Once I plugged in the flash drive, it booted right away into installation setup while in Secure Boot enabled / Legacy Support disabled mode. This was what I was trying to do all along.
Regarding my other laptop with the Windows 10 experiencing the same problem: I was so preoccupied with fixing the Windows 8.1 laptop that I never bothered to reformat my flash drive to GPT and FAT32 and had mistakenly installed the correct 64 bit but as a NTFS file system. All I had to do was create a new image with the right settings (above) and sure enough Windows 10 recognized the flash drive immediately and I now have Win 10 installed with Secure Boot enabled / Legacy Support disabled.
Lesson learned:
1. Download correct 64 bit ISO and don't settle on 32 bit even though the OS will still work for the most part.
2. Format your flash drive as GPT partition and FAT32 using Rufus - Don't use Windows USB/DVD Download Tool as it automatically creates NTFS format without you being able to control its settings and it also doesn't provide you options on controlling the partition schemes. Rufus will save you a lot of time and running around.
3. If installing a fresh Windows, boot the ISO with Secure Boot enabled/Legacy Support disabled otherwise you can't change it afterwards. ----- Original Message ----- From: "M F Mason" <mfmason@blinding-flash.net> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org>; "'Blind sysadmins list'" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org>; "'Ben Mustill-Rose'" <ben@benmr.com> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 10:58 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] win10 in UEFI with secure boot
Hello,
If I had had a question relating to BIOS UEFI and accessibility, This is just the forum I would have chosen for my query. I would cautiously question the notion that the idea of a blind person wanting to learn more about how to boot from a USB pen together with the need of changing BIOS and UEFI settings is well documented on Google.
I hope people continue to contribute and share their knowledge about such issues.
Many thanks,
Mike.
At 21:10 23/04/2018, matt.bsa@wh1t3.net wrote:
I tend to agree with Brian and Ben. Many of these questions are not really accessibility-related and are well documented, every-day things that we all deal with. Since traffic is generally light I don't get too worked up about the oddball questions--but, since you asked ...
Then again, I have been in the field for 20 years so my perspective may be a bit jaded.
-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins <blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> On Behalf Of Brian Moore Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 09:16 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org>; Ben Mustill-Rose <ben@benmr.com> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] win10 in UEFI with secure boot
personally, I don't have a problem.
However, I have to concur with Ben about the ability to dig up stuff yourself. This is probably my most frequently used IT skill and really should be tried before writing to a list like this. I am happy to help if I know something but when I encounter questions that have an answer that would have taken less time to look up than to write the email with the question, it can get a little frustrating if there are a lot of them.
Brian.
On 04/23/2018 7:40 AM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
Hi
It doesn't bother me but that's only because this is a low traffic list. Booting windows 10 isn't really sysadmin related. Accessible ways of reading credit cards definitely isn't sysadmin related. Motherboard choices aren't sysadmin related - I could go on.
I've also noticed that a large number of questions on this list aren't actually blindness specific and could be resolved with a quick Google. Tough love time, but if you can't be bothered to Google something you're going to find it incredibly hard to get any kind of job in the IT industry. There are frequently days at work where my most valuable skill isn't IT related per se - it's my ability to find things out for myself. This is paticularly important for blind people as the constraints that we operate under mean that we'll typically need to do more research than others when it comes to learning new systems and the like.
Cheers, Ben.
On 4/23/18, Kieran Little via Blind-sysadmins <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> wrote:
Doesn't bother me.
On 23 April 2018 at 12:10, Andrew Hodgson <andrew@hodgson.io> wrote:
Hi,
Seconded about the media creator tool. Also I think the issue is the USB drive shouldn't be GPT itself.
On a side note I am wondering if people are generally ok with all the discussion about booting, WinPE and recovery stuff that seems to get posted to this list? If they are it's not a problem, and we haven't had any complaints, but these topics I think could be discussed on more of the general lists possibly?
Discuss. Andrew. ________________________________________ From: Blind-sysadmins [blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] on behalf of Ben Mustill-Rose [ben@benmr.com] Sent: 23 April 2018 10:26 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] win10 in UEFI with secure boot
Try it with the media creation tool from Microsoft. If it won't boot using that you have other issues as the drive will be UEFI & secure boot compatible if you use that tool.
On 4/23/18, David Mehler <dave.mehler@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I used rofus and wrote win10 1709 iso to a thumb drive. I used gpt > partition for UEFI and Fat32 format. > > Thanks. > Dave. > > > On 4/22/18, Ben Mustill-Rose <ben@benmr.com> wrote: >> How did you write win 10 to the drive? >> >> On 4/22/18, David Mehler <dave.mehler@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> I am trying to get a Lenovo laptop to boot off of a thumb drive, >>> which is not working. The system is in UEFI mode and has secure >>> boot on. If anyone has a Lenovo is there a way I can turn one or >>> both of these temporarily off so I can boot from thumb drive and reinstall win10? >>> >>> Thanks. >>> Dave. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
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