Thanks everyone for the feedback. This is really good stuff and I'm going to pass this onto the Windows terminal people and some people on the Narrator team and see what we can do to start a dialog around this. Again I can't guarantee you'll see this in Windows Terminal when it comes out, but I'll definitely advocate for this kind of UI. An interesting question is what part of the picture is up to the terminal client and what part is up to the screen reader itself. I think there's going to have to be a combination of responsibilities here, which is why someone from Narrator should be involved as well. I am really glad someone brought up the point about tables, as I've been asked about that by a few people on the terminal team. I agree it'd be great to review information using table reading like commands. One really nice feature in Powershell is I can take any table output and put it into a .CSV file that I can review in Excel and work with there, but that is a lot more clunky than just being able to quickly browse the table like a sighted person can. I think there would be some technical challenges in making this work, but its worth mentioning the feedback and seeing where it goes. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger@vol.at> Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2019 8:38 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org>; Billy Irwin <billy.irwin@outlook.com> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: the ultimate terminal experience Hi Billy, NVDA does that perfectly. you don't need to switch cursors. thats why i have switched many years and it works fine. It's like using speakup or orca. I don't know if jaws would move over to a different way of using review modes. Greetings, Simon Am 17.07.2019 um 17:34 schrieb Billy Irwin:
Hi,
I too have moved to the built-in SSH client for most things now. Overall it works pretty well. I just get tired of changing cursors back and forth to review output of large data sets. It would be nice if tabbed data could be reviewed like a table, but I don’t think there is an easy way to make that work. Working with Nano or VI does present a unique challenge never the less.
-----Original Message----- From: Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger@vol.at> Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2019 11:31 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org>; Andrew Hodgson <andrew@hodgson.io> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: the ultimate terminal experience
Hi,
Same here. I created various batch files that start various servers. so you can run multiple connections at once.
Greetings, Simon
Am 17.07.2019 um 11:24 schrieb Andrew Hodgson:
Hi,
Echoing what Steve said. In addition I don't know whether anyone has tried this but I have moved away from PuTTY and other SSH clients on Windows now to the built-in SSH client. It works really well in my opinion and is just like being in the command prompt.
Andrew. ________________________________________ From: Steve Matzura [sm@noisynotes.com] Sent: 16 July 2019 23:40 To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: the ultimate terminal experience
I think the most important thing in an accessible terminal program is for the computer and screenreader cursor to be as tightly locked to the terminal cursor as is programatically possible. I go back to the deep dark DOS days, and I remember terminal emulators like ProComm were excellent at this, no matter what screenreader was being used with them. Most of my workaday tasks were done using this facility. I always knew where my cursor was, I could move it around the terminal emulation window just as if I were moving it around a word-processor document, the terminal cursor never unbound from the computer/screenreader cursor. I've never had that kind of experience with a Windows terminal emulator. Some have come closer than others, but there's always some lag between the two halves of the system, or the screenreader voices something on which the terminal/computer cursor is not focused. If that problem could be solved, it'd be just the best thing.
On 7/16/2019 2:48 PM, Ryan Shugart via Blind-sysadmins wrote:
Hello everyone: I wanted to throw a question out to everyone. As we are working with the new Windows Terminal product to insure it is accessible and works well with assistive technologies, I wanted to reach out to this list and find out what would be the ideal terminal experience for you? What would you be looking for and want in a new terminal program from an accessibility standpoint, something that would set it aside from the rest and really make it an enjoyable experience to use, not just something you can use? I'm definitely going to bring the feedback to the Windows Terminal team, and while I can't guarantee it will all be acted on, it will certainly help set a direction and way to move forward. Thanks much. Ryan
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