Hi, Use the run as option from your desktop when you want to run the RSAT tools with higher priviledges, or install Window-Eyes on the jumpbox. Andrew. ________________________________________ From: Blind-sysadmins [blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] on behalf of Katherine Moss [kmoss@winterhillsolutions.com] Sent: 14 April 2016 14:57 To: 'Blind sysadmins list' Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] speculating on Hyper-V containers and accessibility The network is like this ... there are child domains, a couple of them, and we all run normal non-administrative accounts. To avoid having to run the RSAT as admin under a non administrative account (I've heard from some that it can't be and from some that it can) at least, on my friend's domain, which is the primary, he does all of his management from a jumpbox on the network (logs into a box built specifically for management and then hits up RSAT from there), but the main difference between my child domain and the rest of them is that I'm the only one of us who actually uses a screen reader full time. The other members of the group are pretty much all magnification and fully sighted users. I'm actually starting to believe that his method of management is simply a preference, nothing more. Since we're not doing VDI all across the network ... thank God. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 4:36 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] speculating on Hyper-V containers and accessibility Hi, You'll have to explain the issue a bit more as you've lost me there. You can install RSAT on your own machine and use the tools with whatever priviledges you have been granted. For example, I used to install it on helpdesk machines so they could unlock and change passwords in Active Directory as I gave them access to do that for relevant OUs. Thanks. Andrew. ________________________________________ From: Blind-sysadmins [blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] on behalf of Katherine Moss [kmoss@winterhillsolutions.com] Sent: 13 April 2016 19:29 To: 'Blind sysadmins list' Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] speculating on Hyper-V containers and accessibility Okay then. On my network, at least, I'll then need to find another solution ... my friend only uses VDI because he thinks that you can't run RSAT as admin when the account he's logged into is not admin. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 10:11 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] speculating on Hyper-V containers and accessibility Actually, I kind of got it to work a very long time ago. I published both Window-Eyes and Calculator, and was able to get Calculator to read, but couldn't get any Window-Eyes hot keys to pass through, so it was basically useless. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins <blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> on behalf of Andrew Hodgson <andrew@hodgsonfamily.org> Reply-To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Date: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 at 8:03 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] speculating on Hyper-V containers and accessibility
Hi,
AIUI Remote App won't work as you can't start the screen reader at the right point.
Andrew. ________________________________________ From: Blind-sysadmins [blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] on behalf of Katherine Moss [kmoss@winterhillsolutions.com] Sent: 13 April 2016 14:47 To: 'Blind sysadmins list' Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] speculating on Hyper-V containers and accessibility
Thanks for the suggestions, guys. I'll definitely try that. Also, does this work for RemoteApp scenarios? I've never thought to try it, and the only clear instructions given for that type of thing are for Citrix Presentation Server.
-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 4:13 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] speculating on Hyper-V containers and accessibility
Hi,
I can echo this, I used RDP with WindowEyes in my last job a lot with 2012 R2. It is a lot more stable than RDP support in JFW in my opinion.
Andrew.
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Katherine: My experience is the 2008R2 instructions work on 2012R2 as well. On the remote machine, the Window-Eyes synthesizer should be set to virtual terminal services, and on the local client the synthesizer should be set to the actual synthesizer. Also on the local client, the Window-Eyes virtual channel should be enabled. If you've done that and it isn't working, I'd open a ticket with AISquared support and see if they can figure out the problem. Ryan
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I find it annoying because when following the instructions, at least for Windows Server 2012R2 VMs and servers, I can't get the RDP connection to talk through the virtual channel at all... I change the voice to the virtual Terminal Services synth, and nothing happens; it will toggle, but won't start talking. I'm probably doing something incorrectly, considering the instructions only cover up to 2008R2. Also, my friend's got VDI/Remote App set up, and I'm trying to figure how we can get Window-Eyes working so that I can manage resources on his network to which I've got access.
-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 7:30 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] speculating on Hyper-V containers and accessibility
Catherine: Just curious, how do you find the Window-Eyes RDP implementation to be flakey? I've ran it on a world wide network with many different kinds of connections and the only real problem I've had is that if the RDP connection drops and is reestablished, Window-Eyes stops talking through the virtual channel until I restart it. I do find that annoying and am not sure why AISquared hasn't fixed it, but for all I know that's an RDP issue and not Window-Eyes related. Ryan
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Agreed. Evidently if no one else is going to have to do it, then I suppose I'll have to? Considering it will never get done otherwise? But in regard to your comment in terms of JAWS really being the only screen reader supported in employment scenarios, that's so dang true, and also it's too dang unfortunate. Window-Eyes does work well in some cases, though it's implementation of RDP virtual channel is flaky at best.
-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2016 12:38 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] speculating on Hyper-V containers and accessibility
No I think she means real RDP/Citrix support in NVDA. And if that's the case I agree with her. I once looked at the RDP programming guide and I don't think it'd be too difficult to implement, again this comes from a non-coder so take it with a block of salt. I don't know about Citrix ICA but since ICA is based on the RDP protocol I'd think it be relatively similar. I think the problem is that NVDA really doesn't have much of a foothold in the places where most blind people are employed, most of that market is still JAWS so it just hasn't been a high priority for the developers. The sad part is I think NVDA could blow JAWS or Window-Eyes away in a VDI environment if it was implemented properly because of its base design, so it could solve some employment problems for the blind but hey. Ryan
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do you meen the crappy nvdaremote addon?
Speaking of that, what would be really cool is if there were more
Den 2016-04-09 kl. 07:11, skrev Katherine Moss: python developers wwilling to take on the NVDA over RDP virtual channel project,, considering that's fallen by the wwayside.
-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart Sent: Friday, April 8, 2016 7:51 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] speculating on Hyper-V containers and accessibility
I have not had a chance to play with these at all but from what I've
read I agree that this is mainly designed for web applications, and the primary thing MS is thinking of when they build this are the big cloud providers out there who have to worry about tenant isolation at a far greater level than most companies. I'm not saying it won't have other uses, but that's what I see the main use being. I could see an argument for things like Citrix and RDS as well but I'm guessing that will come later. And just as to VDI, my own personal view, its a nightmare because we're letting it be one, I think with the right attention it could be solved with a reasonable amount of effort.
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Hi,
Hopefully, considering Microsoft's new fantastic stance on the subject of accessibility, this new marvelous technology will be taken into account. I'd think it would work, because the application deployed in the container would more than likely be web applications. At the current moment, I've got all web sites on my IIS server deployed on one server, though I eventually want to make each site run under its own container to achieve even greater isolation. Do you folks see any potential issues with accessibility with screen readers? You think it's going to invoke the
same nightmare that VDI does?
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