Hi. Just wondering if there has been any progress in this issue? I'm still receiving this on latest JFW and Win11 build. Thanks to people on this list I can fix it now by alt+tabbing back and forth, but its still happening every day for me and is very annoying. Thanks. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Darragh Ó Héiligh <d@digitaldarragh.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2023 6:17 PM To: Mailing list for blind system administrators <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org>; steve@comproom.co.uk Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Losing focus in terminal all the time Correct. I am using standard alt tab. But I rarely listen to what Jaws is saying. I quickly hit alt tab to toggle between windows. -----Original Message----- From: Glen Gordon <GGordon@Vispero.com> Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2023 2:35 PM To: Mailing list for blind system administrators <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org>; steve@comproom.co.uk Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Losing focus in terminal all the time This looks like JAWS didn't detect that you moved back to Terminal. From this data, JAWS still thinks that the TaskSwitch window is active. I've never seen this. I assume that you just use Alt+Tab to switch, correct? Any other wrinkles. For others experiencing this, would be great to get similar output from you to see if the TaskSwitch window is at the root of the problem. Instructions below for easier reference: The next time this happens, will you try the following: Turn on JAWS HomeRow/Utility Mode with JAWSKey+Windows+NumPad minus. It's a toggle, so pressing it a second time will turn it off. While in HomeRow mode, press Control+F12. This will dump a bunch of information about the control with focus and its ancestors to the virtual buffer. Escape will get you back to Terminal. If things are failing in the way I suspect, this info will be slightly different in the failure case than when things are working. Thanks --Glen -----Original Message----- From: Darragh Ó Héiligh <d@digitaldarragh.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2023 3:10 PM To: Mailing list for blind system administrators <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org>; steve@comproom.co.uk Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Losing focus in terminal all the time CAUTION: This email originated outside Vispero. Do not click links, open attachments or forward unless you recognize the sender. This happened me in command prompt today. Cached MSAA Focus Info # Ancestor Count 2 level 2, Role 0xfffffff6, Window 306fa, ObjectId 0x9b8ebed8, Rect 0/0, 5120/1392, UIA ID TaskSwitchingWindow level 1, Name Running apps, Role 0x21, Window 306fa, ObjectId 0x893b1136, Rect 1650/465, 3472/928, Class ListView, UIA ID SwitchItemListControl level 0, Name C:\WINDOWS\system32\cmd.exe, Role 0x22, State 0x100004, Window 306fa, ObjectId 0xd92246a9, Rect 2864/521, 3416/872, Class ListViewItem, FileName Explorer.EXE Close -----Original Message----- From: Glen Gordon <GGordon@Vispero.com> Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2023 4:39 PM To: Mailing list for blind system administrators <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org>; steve@comproom.co.uk Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Losing focus in terminal all the time Hi, Andrew, I've not tried that. I've used a single instance of Terminal with multiple tabs but not multiple instances of Terminal. Will you try using a single Terminal instance to see if that eliminates the problem? I'm not saying that we won't fix a problem experienced only when multiple Terminal instances are open, but just trying to figure out if that's a key to the issue. Not sure why running Terminal as admin would change anything about this. --Glen -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew@hodgson.io> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2023 6:52 AM To: steve@comproom.co.uk; Mailing list for blind system administrators <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Losing focus in terminal all the time CAUTION: This email originated outside Vispero. Do not click links, open attachments or forward unless you recognize the sender. Hi. Looking at this a bit more I am now wondering if this is because I have several of these command prompt windows open at one time and alt+tab between them. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Steve Nutt via Blind-sysadmins <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2023 12:50 PM To: 'Mailing list for blind system administrators' <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Cc: Steve Nutt <steve@comproom.co.uk> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Losing focus in terminal all the time I'm not sure what that would achieve George. A focus issue would suggest that the screen readers themselves are not keeping focus in the command prompt. I can't say I've had that experience though. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: george@techno-vision.co.uk <george@techno-vision.co.uk> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2023 12:45 PM To: 'Mailing list for blind system administrators' <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Losing focus in terminal all the time Have you tried a disk cleanup? George -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew@hodgson.io> Sent: 19 June 2023 11:01 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Losing focus in terminal all the time Hi. Latest JFW and Windows 11 builds on multiple machines, I lose speech output in the terminal or command prompt when navigating to and from the window. What I mean by this is I am not hearing the output of commands or what I am typing into the window. This is really starting to stress me out now and I can't believe I am the only person experiencing it. Its been happening since the beginning of the year since a Windows update I think. Any suggestions? Thanks. 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