Well Mika, and everyone on the list. I had a very interesting conversation
with someone who will remain nameless earlier.
I made the point that there is a very damaging perception out there in the
Jaws community that when an application isn't accessible it's the fault of
Jaws. I argued dstrongly that FreedomScientific should start drawing a
line between problems that they solve and cant solve in Microsoft
software. I give you the following examples to demonstrate my point.
1. Metro apps don't support first letter navigation.
2. The Skype metro app has unlabeled buttons.
3. There is no search field in the people screen in Windows 8.
FreedomScientific know what side their bread is buttered of course so they
simply cant afford to get on the bad side of Microsoft so their fighting a
war on two fronts. I wouldn't envy them this task.
However, a running snag list of problems that they simply cant solve in
various applications would highlight the limitations of the applications
that assistive software cant hook into. The user base could then hit
various companies over the head with it.
I would say that 90% of the problemm with the lack of assistive
technologies is a lack of awareness in the software development community.
It's certainly not a concious decision to make something that doesn't work
properly for all users.
Now, of course, I know this idea is going to be raised within FS but I
also know that that's all it's ever going to be. A quick side note in
some meeting adgenta. I'm not sure how we as users can determine this snag
list but I think the responsibility is up to us. So. If you have any
suggestions, I'd love to hear them. I know that getting the average user
to submit a problem report to a big company like Microsoft is all but
impossible. Giving them something that's pre-written and giving them the
specific address to write to is almost always the most effective way of
making this happen.
I'm interested in others though'ts regarding this.
Regards
Darragh Ó Héiligh
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From: Mika Pyyhkala
To: Blind sysadmins list ,
Date: 31/05/2013 15:19
Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] SCCM 2012.
Sent by: "Blind-sysadmins"
Hello Darragh and Others,
We are also increasingly using and ramping up SCCM, so I'm pleased to
learn of this news and would also appreciate any updates.
I can help with reporting issues to FS, Darragh, I can perhaps write you
off the list to get a better description for a report.
Also let us know if you need us to submit feedback to Microsoft or even to
help raise awareness that screen reader users are actually using tools
like SCCM.
Best,
Mika Pyyhkala
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From: Blind-sysadmins [
mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan
Shugart
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 10:08 AM
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Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] SCCM 2012.
Darragh:
This is really cool news. Thanks a lot for your work on this. Do
you know when we can expect this update to come out? I recently went
through a role change at work as well, I am no longer responsible for any
VMware at work, and I think System Center products will become a bigger
part of my job description, so the news that Microsoft is willing to work
with us is very good.
Ryan
-----Original Message-----
From: Blind-sysadmins [
mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of
Darragh OHeiligh
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 3:13 AM
To: Blind sysadmins list
Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] SCCM 2012.
Good morning / Afternoon / evening / night depending on where you are in
the world.
I am delighted to report that the soon to be released update to sCCM 2012
SP1 includes a large number of accessibility fixes.
I have been working with Microsoft from a few different angles over the
past four months and they've been providing me with a number of very
progressive private builds to test.
You should however be aware that I have also strongly voiced my belief to
FreedomScientific that Jaws 14 has major problems with working in .net 4.5
controls. I have provided them with various examples from applications
made by Microsoft and a number of other companies but I haven't received a
response from Bryan or Eric and John Carson doesn't seem to be taking the
issue very seriously. In my experience, Jaws has very little time to get
it's act together before these controls become much more widespread. I am
encountering them because I'm working on a number of very new releases but
fortunately for them, the majority of their user base hasn't encountered
any of them yet. They have some breathing space here but I don't think
their going to act until it's too late. The reason that I mention it here
is that in SCCM there are a number of these new controls. For example,
certain tree views and tables in SCCM won't speak properly. It's nothing
that the sCCM developers can fi
x. Jaws reads the ID of the control and not the contents. I expect it's
something that has been changed in UIA that hasn't been captured by Jaws
yet.
I encourage you to always submit any problem you encounter with Jaws to
support@freedomscientific.com and CC half the world in your report. There
is a small minority of us that actively provide them with feedback. Far
too many problems go unfixed because FS haven't heard from enough users to
justify spending time on some of the less known bugs. In faireness, this
isn't Freedomscientific's fault. It is the responsibility of the users to
provide feedback.
As luck would have it, a week before I am planning to leave this job to
start with a new employre and a very different role Microsoft provide me
with a much improved build of SCCM!
It looks like I'm taking a step away from the system administration type
role for the moment and going into a software development and managerial
role. I managed a team of 19 people on a 24/7 team for a year six years
ago and I hated every minute of it. Now, I'll be managing 3 software
developers in support roles so it should be a very different experience.
It has meant that I've been cramming on Visual studio, SQL, IIS and all of
the related tools such as resharper, SQL profiler, SQL optomization tools
etc.
Regards
Darragh H iligh
Fujitsu
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