Re: [Blind-sysadmins] RES: any show stoppers

Hi, Yes, SMS 2005/2008 displays the list in the same way, it doesn't look any difference. The 2008 version looks more smooth with fading windows etc. The sort of tasks I do with scripts include backing up/restoring, user management, managing the various mirrors and log shipping we use, which is pretty much what you can use the GUI for. Any data exploration really needs the T-SQL imho anyway, and the query editor is workable with JFW imho. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Alex Coleman Sent: 10 April 2012 19:44 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] RES: any show stoppers Andrew, A couple of questions: 1. SMS 2005 presents the database hierarchy in a list form, rather than a tree view. However, when I moved to SMS 2008, like yourself, I found the tree view approach to be quite frustrating. My sighted I.T. counterpart said that the GUI looks the same in both versions. Do you know of any differences and why 2005 seems to be more accessible than 2008? 2. What types of SQL script libraries do you use for routine tasks? I.e. What particular jobs do you find this approach helpful with? Thanks, -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Hodgson [mailto:andrew@hodgsonfamily.org] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 14:26 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] RES: any show stoppers Hi, I find the SQL Management Studio 2008 to be workable if you use the T-SQL for doing most things, the biggest issue for me is the tree view on the left-hand side of the screen, this doesn't reliably read using JFW or Wineyes and you shouldn't rely on what the screen reader is telling you in this view at all! Learning T-SQL is not hard imho and will make the job run smoother because it takes a lot less time to do work using it rather than going through the GUI. I have a library of scripts I use as well for common tasks I do on a daily/weekly basis. Thanks. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Juliano Cesar Ribeiro Sent: 10 April 2012 19:21 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] RES: any show stoppers I work database mssql server 2008 and sql management studio. Is a accessible tool using screen reader jaws or nvda. -----Mensagem original----- De: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] Em nome de Andrew Hodgson Enviada em: terça-feira, 10 de abril de 2012 15:17 Para: Blind sysadmins list Assunto: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] any show stoppers Hi, I work with databases all the time with SQL Server 2008 R2, but use the database management studio remotely rather than connecting to the SQL server via RDP etc. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Alex Coleman Sent: 10 April 2012 15:37 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] any show stoppers Does anyone know of any blind people working successfuly as database administrators, specifically in the area of SQL Server? -----Original Message----- From: John Heim [mailto:jheim@math.wisc.edu] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 10:24 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] any show stoppers I don't think we can just give up though because systems administration is one of the few highly paid jobs still open to blind people now that piano tuning and selling pencils on the street corner have gone away. Seriously, I know where you're coming from. Even linux seens to be getting less accessible, not more so. I think the question becomes, what are we going to do about it? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darragh OHeiligh" To: "Blind sysadmins list" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 2:15 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] any show stoppers

Seriously, being a blind system administrator is simply not worth the hassle, stress and constant arguements and debates with companies over the inaccessibility of their software. My advice? Don't bother.

Sorry to be so negative about it but John has hit the nale on the head here. ESXI is not very accessible. VSphere is ok when your using it for 4 hours a day and your use to the clunky interface with Jaws but no. it's really not worth it. If I had an option I'd be out of here. I absolutely love this job. I love the part of the country I'm working in and I love the people and the office. Mcafee, VMWare, Microsoft, Trend, Symantec and Dell are just some of the companies I've been in talks with to try to get more accessible solutions but they won't hear a thing I say. I work for a very large organization that has the ear of some very influencial people. The minister for disabilities in the Irish government has even been involved in some of these discussions but still, companies such as McAfee still see the need for accesssibility as a feature request therefore it has been given a very low priority. Meanwhile, I'm left with less and less accessible applications. VMWare are doing great things at the moment. They are going to single handidly cause a revolution in the tech industry and htis is going tos tart around June or July. I had the oppertunity to meat some people who are very high up in the company last Wednesday and I may as well have been telling them that I wanted their weight in gold because I'd say to them, that was more atainable than making sure their software was accessible. When this new software is out, I know their going to want it here. In fact, they already have a consultant who is looking at the alternatives in anticipation of the new software releases because management want to jump on it as soon as possible. However, the new software will create even more problems for me because of the systemic problem of no sound output in virtual machines and absolutely no way of independently installing or troubleshooting ESXI when infront of the server.

People will remember that I've always been willing and able to find solutions to problems like this but I think the time has come when there are now too many problems and not enough solutions. Things should be getting better but their not. Companies like Microsoft shout from the roof tops that UIA is the best thing since sliced bread then they release SCCM 2012 and it's based on UIA. What do you know. It's rubbish!

When Microsoft, the company who colaberated on making UIA cant get it right, how the hell can we expect any other company to?

Credit where credit is due. Freedom Scientific and Oracle have been very helpful but there is only so much they can do. at some point, software developers and companies need to take responsibility for the software that they are throwing out there.

Rant over.

Regards

Darragh Ó Héiligh Fujitsu

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From: "John Heim" To: "Blind sysadmins list" Date: 09/04/2012 20:14 Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] any show stoppers Sent by: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org

Esx and esxi do not support sound. In other words, you can't make a virtual machine with a sound card. There is no screen reader for esx or esxi. The

remote GUI interface has major accessibility problemms. And there is no talking or serial console install. I asked about an accessible install on

the VMWare web site and all the answers I got were lame. I ended up getting sighted assistance for the install. However, it may be possible for a blind person to do an esx/esxi install via the automatic installation tool.

In other words, you will have problems installing esx or esxi, you'll have

trouble creating virtual machines, and once you create them, they'll be difficult to use. Other than that, its fine.

In all seriousness, I have an esxi machine at home. I built it specifically to learn about VMWare esx and esxi. I had to get help with the install but

if I had it to do over again, I would try the automatic install feature. I

also spent a lot of time learning how to create virtual machines. The remote GUI is not totally impossible to navigate with jaws. But there are parts of it that are very, very difficult. Maybe if you used it every day you could

get to be proficient enough to be productive but I doubt it. I manage the virtual machines on my esxi server via editing the text config files themselves. Once you have the virtual machine up and running, you will have to operate it remotely. The VMWare people would say that that's the whole point of esx and esxi. Esx and esxi are for servers off in the cloud somewhere. If you want a desktop machine, use Workstation. But while operating a machine remotely is easy in linux, it is somewhat of a greater

challenge in Windows. Of course, maybe you already do a lot of remote Windows system administration and that won't be a problem for you. But I don't know how you get your accessibility tools installed on a Windows virtual machine in order to access it remotely.

The way I did it was to configured a USB port on the virtual machine and then plugged a USB headset into the host. That gave me speech on the virtual machine. So I was operating the virtual machine remotely but the headset was physically connected to the host. The only reason I was able to do that was that my remote machine was not very remote. It was only about 5 feet from the esxi host. I am not sure if that makes sense. If you want a clearer explanation, let me know.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Moore" To: "Blind sysadmins list" Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 10:01 AM Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] any show stoppers

HI all. applying for this job. IN particular, I am interested in people's thoughts about working in environments with vmware esx any other show stoppers? HELP DESK SUPERVISOR/SENIOR TECHNICAL ANALYST Permanent - Full-Time Annual Salary: $73,180 -$89,035 The Children's Aid Society of Hamilton is seeking a Help Desk Supervisor/Senior Technical Analyst. The successful candidate will be responsible for supervising the day-to-day operations of the helpdesk and helpdesk staff; identifying, researching, and resolving complex technical problems; documenting, tracking and monitoring problems to ensure resolution in a timely manner; applying updates and patches to server software, hardware and network devices; providing support for both physical and virtual computing environments; and writing new and maintaining existing support documentation. The successful candidate will have: a minimum three year post secondary computing degree/diploma (or equivalent technical certifications and work experience); must possess a well-rounded business background with a broad understanding of computer and network systems, operations, applications, operating systems and security; previous supervision/leadership experience required; minimum three years experience with VMware ESX 3.5 and above, including Virtual Center, HA, DRS, VMotion, Snapshots, Converter Enterprise and VCB; in-depth knowledge and experience with Active Directory, Windows 2003/2008 Server, IIS, SQL, GPO, Terminal Services and/or Citrix XenApp; XP and Windows 7 desktop imaging, deployment, and setup; experience administering and supporting Cisco switches, routers, firewalls; experience with backup and recovery strategies, disaster recovery planning, implementation and testing; full understanding of the IP protocol stack and its related services; in-depth knowledge of server hardware, RAID technologies and Storage Area Networks; ability to absorb and retain information quickly and adept at reading, writing, and interpreting technical documentation and procedure manuals; highly self-motivated and directed with proven problem-solving abilities; strong analytical, organization, multitasking, and prioritizing skills with thorough and acute attention to detail; ability to express complex technical concepts effectively, both verbally and written, to both technical and non-technical agency staff with proven presentation and facilitation skills. cont'd on page 2. 2 The Children's Aid Society of Hamilton is a large agency of approximately 350 employees which offers an innovative and progressive work environment. Interested applicants should submit a current resume quoting file #17/12 by April 9, 2012: Kelly Oates Administrative Assistant Human Resources Department The Children's Aid Society of Hamilton PO Box 1170, Depot 1, Hamilton, ON L8N 4B9 E-mail: koates@hamiltoncas.com Fax: 905-522-1089 WE ARE AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY EMPLOYER

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