Hello, I posted on Friday about using Team viewer. Here is where I am with this now. 1. Jaws works really well with the Team viewer application. Of course, it cant provide any feedback from the remote system but we'd expect that. 2. Sound is sent from the remote system via Team viewer so you can hear what's happening on the remote computers. 3. NVDA has a portable version that when extracted is 63MB. This works reasonably well on the remote computer. There's a bit of a lag and the clarity of the synthesizer leaves a lot of room for improvement but that's just the joy of using a remote connection. 4. I've been able to get NVDA down to 12.6MB compressed with a self extracter. This dumpsthe portable files into the tempdirectory and automatically starts NVDA. 5. This portable version is available in the archive at www.blindsysadmins.com/portable.exe<http://www.blindsysadmins.com/portable.exe> 6. This portable executable is not signed. I also don't have a trusted cert so I have no way of signing it. Therefore I have a problem runningthis remotely without assistance. It also presents a warning box that from an unsuspecting end users perspective looks very dodgy. Therefore until I find a way of signing this somehow, it's not an acceptable solution. So. There you have it. I'm almost there. If I can just get this to run without prompting the user to trust it then I'll be laughing. I've cut this down from 63MB to 12.5 MB by removing support that wn't be needed when providing help to someone over a remote connection. For example, you won't need Braille or access to messenger, AOL, sound forge or all the other applications in this category. I'm also about to write a Jaws script for team viewer that cuts out some of the extra verbosity spoken by Jaws when in the team viewer window. It would also be nice to press one letter on the keyboard to establish a remote connection without needing to tab around to find the right button. Efficiency for me is the key here. If I could find a way of getting the NVDA portable package down to a better size I'd be delighted but I'd probably need some input from the developers. For example, the portable package may be used to install NVDA onto a users PC. For the purposes of remote assistance, this functionality really isn't required. That might get rid of quite a lot of dependencies and make the archive even smaller. The aim is that within one minute of getting remote access you can read the remote systems interface.
Hi, That is very useful to know. Thank you for sharing your findings. As i have not really used teamviewer for a very long time, would you be able to take some time to explain how the nvda package that you provided the link to can be used on the remote machine? On 6/11/13, Darragh Ó Héiligh <d@digitaldarragh.com> wrote:
Hi, That is very useful to know. Thank you for sharing your findings. As i have not really used teamviewer for a very long time, would you be able to take some time to explain how the nvda package that you provided the link to can be used on the remote machine? On 6/11/13, Darragh Ó Héiligh <d@digitaldarragh.com> wrote:
The box that I always get is the User Account which you can bypass with alt+y. Assuming that you have admin privileges. The other thing I've tried that I've had a modicum of success with is running system Access to go. I don't remember now why I stopped using it on the remote computer. Go to the run menu and type in www.satogo.com You'll need to set up an account with them and it's free. Plus the voice is much better. HF -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Darragh Ó Héiligh Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 11:35 AM To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Team viewer Hello, I posted on Friday about using Team viewer. Here is where I am with this now. 1. Jaws works really well with the Team viewer application. Of course, it cant provide any feedback from the remote system but we'd expect that. 2. Sound is sent from the remote system via Team viewer so you can hear what's happening on the remote computers. 3. NVDA has a portable version that when extracted is 63MB. This works reasonably well on the remote computer. There's a bit of a lag and the clarity of the synthesizer leaves a lot of room for improvement but that's just the joy of using a remote connection. 4. I've been able to get NVDA down to 12.6MB compressed with a self extracter. This dumpsthe portable files into the tempdirectory and automatically starts NVDA. 5. This portable version is available in the archive at www.blindsysadmins.com/portable.exe<http://www.blindsysadmins.com/portable.exe> 6. This portable executable is not signed. I also don't have a trusted cert so I have no way of signing it. Therefore I have a problem runningthis remotely without assistance. It also presents a warning box that from an unsuspecting end users perspective looks very dodgy. Therefore until I find a way of signing this somehow, it's not an acceptable solution. So. There you have it. I'm almost there. If I can just get this to run without prompting the user to trust it then I'll be laughing. I've cut this down from 63MB to 12.5 MB by removing support that wn't be needed when providing help to someone over a remote connection. For example, you won't need Braille or access to messenger, AOL, sound forge or all the other applications in this category. I'm also about to write a Jaws script for team viewer that cuts out some of the extra verbosity spoken by Jaws when in the team viewer window. It would also be nice to press one letter on the keyboard to establish a remote connection without needing to tab around to find the right button. Efficiency for me is the key here. If I could find a way of getting the NVDA portable package down to a better size I'd be delighted but I'd probably need some input from the developers. For example, the portable package may be used to install NVDA onto a users PC. For the purposes of remote assistance, this functionality really isn't required. That might get rid of quite a lot of dependencies and make the archive even smaller. The aim is that within one minute of getting remote access you can read the remote systems interface. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
Darrag, Have you tried generating an install for NVDA at www.ninite.com? It's by no means a perfect solution - partly because it downloads the full package and partly because I think it enables speech at logon, but it might solve the security problem you were running into and you could just disable the speech at logon once you were done with the box. If not it's probably worth mentioning it to one of the devs; they seem like a pretty forward thinking company and from a non programmer point of view, it doesn't sound like what you / we want would be overly hard to create. Cheers, Ben. On 6/14/13, Fermin, German <GERMAN.FERMIN@purchase.edu> wrote:
Darrag, Have you tried generating an install for NVDA at www.ninite.com? It's by no means a perfect solution - partly because it downloads the full package and partly because I think it enables speech at logon, but it might solve the security problem you were running into and you could just disable the speech at logon once you were done with the box. If not it's probably worth mentioning it to one of the devs; they seem like a pretty forward thinking company and from a non programmer point of view, it doesn't sound like what you / we want would be overly hard to create. Cheers, Ben. On 6/14/13, Fermin, German <GERMAN.FERMIN@purchase.edu> wrote:
The box that I always get is the User Account which you can bypass with alt+y. Assuming that you have admin privileges. The other thing I've tried that I've had a modicum of success with is running system Access to go. I don't remember now why I stopped using it on the remote computer. Go to the run menu and type in www.satogo.com You'll need to set up an account with them and it's free. Plus the voice is much better. HF -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Darragh Ó Héiligh Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 11:35 AM To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Team viewer Hello, I posted on Friday about using Team viewer. Here is where I am with this now. 1. Jaws works really well with the Team viewer application. Of course, it cant provide any feedback from the remote system but we'd expect that. 2. Sound is sent from the remote system via Team viewer so you can hear what's happening on the remote computers. 3. NVDA has a portable version that when extracted is 63MB. This works reasonably well on the remote computer. There's a bit of a lag and the clarity of the synthesizer leaves a lot of room for improvement but that's just the joy of using a remote connection. 4. I've been able to get NVDA down to 12.6MB compressed with a self extracter. This dumpsthe portable files into the tempdirectory and automatically starts NVDA. 5. This portable version is available in the archive at www.blindsysadmins.com/portable.exe<http://www.blindsysadmins.com/portable.exe> 6. This portable executable is not signed. I also don't have a trusted cert so I have no way of signing it. Therefore I have a problem runningthis remotely without assistance. It also presents a warning box that from an unsuspecting end users perspective looks very dodgy. Therefore until I find a way of signing this somehow, it's not an acceptable solution. So. There you have it. I'm almost there. If I can just get this to run without prompting the user to trust it then I'll be laughing. I've cut this down from 63MB to 12.5 MB by removing support that wn't be needed when providing help to someone over a remote connection. For example, you won't need Braille or access to messenger, AOL, sound forge or all the other applications in this category. I'm also about to write a Jaws script for team viewer that cuts out some of the extra verbosity spoken by Jaws when in the team viewer window. It would also be nice to press one letter on the keyboard to establish a remote connection without needing to tab around to find the right button. Efficiency for me is the key here. If I could find a way of getting the NVDA portable package down to a better size I'd be delighted but I'd probably need some input from the developers. For example, the portable package may be used to install NVDA onto a users PC. For the purposes of remote assistance, this functionality really isn't required. That might get rid of quite a lot of dependencies and make the archive even smaller. The aim is that within one minute of getting remote access you can read the remote systems interface. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
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Ben Mustill-Rose -
Chamandeep Singh Grover -
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Fermin, German