Re: Accessing Windows PE environment
Hi. The problem I have isn't so much getting NVDA started but getting any usable audio. Thanks. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Isaac Brofman <bigikemusic@gmail.com> Sent: 03 November 2022 15:50 To: Mailing list for blind system administrators <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org>; Andrew Hodgson <andrew@hodgson.io> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Accessing Windows PE environment Hi, you might try shift f 10 when the image has booted, then navigate with the command prompt to get to the directory and start nvda. With sighted help the first time you could also envoke notepad and use it like your opening a file and see what drives windows has made to find the nvda directory. On 11/3/2022 9:42 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote:
As I understand it, the USB Audio drivers may not be included. Should be easy enough to add them though. Jason Fayre: Assistive Technology Specialist, End Point Compute | ETS | CIBC 81 Bay Street, 14th – 16th floor, Toronto, ON M5J 0E7 | jason.fayre@cibc.com Our purpose: To help make your ambition a reality This message, including attachments, is confidential and may be privileged. If you received this in error, please notify me by reply email and delete this message -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew@hodgson.io> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2022 11:54 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Accessing Windows PE environment [EXTERNAL] Hi. The problem I have isn't so much getting NVDA started but getting any usable audio. Thanks. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Isaac Brofman <bigikemusic@gmail.com> Sent: 03 November 2022 15:50 To: Mailing list for blind system administrators <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org>; Andrew Hodgson <andrew@hodgson.io> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Accessing Windows PE environment Hi, you might try shift f 10 when the image has booted, then navigate with the command prompt to get to the directory and start nvda. With sighted help the first time you could also envoke notepad and use it like your opening a file and see what drives windows has made to find the nvda directory. On 11/3/2022 9:42 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote:
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How odd. The only one I use regularly is the one built by image for windows which is pretty standard I think. However, that one includes narrator. It does start with their shell but you can exit out of it to a command prompt and do whatever. Will do some digging and try and figure out what they did differently to include narrator. Brian. contact me on Linked in <https://www.linkedin.com/in/profile-bmoore123>> or Twitter <http://www.twitter.com/bmoore123> -- On 2022-11-03 11:54 a.m., Andrew Hodgson wrote:
Hi, I'm replying here from a personal email address but do work at Microsoft. Last I know this wasn't possible unless you were using the Windows ISO images and I do not believe it is possible to build a WinPE image to include Narrator. Work was done specific to the Windows ISOs to get this included for the talking installs of Windows. I myself use that image and exit to a cmd shell as mentioned here with shift+F10. I know it is more effort but I'd encourage people to log feedback on wanting this scenario to work through email to edad@microsoft.com. Kelly -----Original Message----- From: Brian Moore <bmoore@screenreview.org> Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2022 11:14 AM To: Mailing list for blind system administrators <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org>; Andrew Hodgson <andrew@hodgson.io> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Accessing Windows PE environment How odd. The only one I use regularly is the one built by image for windows which is pretty standard I think. However, that one includes narrator. It does start with their shell but you can exit out of it to a command prompt and do whatever. Will do some digging and try and figure out what they did differently to include narrator. Brian. contact me on Linked in <https://www.linkedin.com/in/profile-bmoore123>> or Twitter <http://www.twitter.com/bmoore123> -- On 2022-11-03 11:54 a.m., Andrew Hodgson wrote:
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Hi Kelly, I agree regarding reporting this to Edad. I will do that. Unfortunately, I can't use the standard Windows images. The PE environment I'm referring to is custom built. As others have mentioned though, it should be possible to get NVDA working. Jason Fayre: Assistive Technology Specialist, End Point Compute | ETS | CIBC 81 Bay Street, 14th – 16th floor, Toronto, ON M5J 0E7 | jason.fayre@cibc.com Our purpose: To help make your ambition a reality This message, including attachments, is confidential and may be privileged. If you received this in error, please notify me by reply email and delete this message -----Original Message----- From: Kelly Ford <kelly@theideaplace.net> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2022 12:53 PM To: Mailing list for blind system administrators <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org>; Andrew Hodgson <andrew@hodgson.io> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Accessing Windows PE environment [EXTERNAL] Hi, I'm replying here from a personal email address but do work at Microsoft. Last I know this wasn't possible unless you were using the Windows ISO images and I do not believe it is possible to build a WinPE image to include Narrator. Work was done specific to the Windows ISOs to get this included for the talking installs of Windows. I myself use that image and exit to a cmd shell as mentioned here with shift+F10. I know it is more effort but I'd encourage people to log feedback on wanting this scenario to work through email to edad@microsoft.com. Kelly -----Original Message----- From: Brian Moore <bmoore@screenreview.org> Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2022 11:14 AM To: Mailing list for blind system administrators <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org>; Andrew Hodgson <andrew@hodgson.io> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Accessing Windows PE environment How odd. The only one I use regularly is the one built by image for windows which is pretty standard I think. However, that one includes narrator. It does start with their shell but you can exit out of it to a command prompt and do whatever. Will do some digging and try and figure out what they did differently to include narrator. Brian. contact me on Linked in <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.linkedin.com/in/profile-bmoore123__;... >> or Twitter <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.twitter.com/bmoore123__;!!PxNGlQK5Rbn... > -- On 2022-11-03 11:54 a.m., Andrew Hodgson wrote:
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Hi. I think I remember someone on MS (maybe even on this list) saying the same thing here. To be honest it’s a bit annoying there's no access to the recovery environment using speech in the same way there is with the ISO install, especially given that most blind folks may just want to reset their machines and don't want to do a complete reinstall. Looks like others on this list may have another solution for getting a customised PE environment up and running though. Thanks. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Kelly Ford <kelly@theideaplace.net> Sent: 03 November 2022 16:53 To: Mailing list for blind system administrators <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org>; Andrew Hodgson <andrew@hodgson.io> Subject: RE: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Accessing Windows PE environment Hi, I'm replying here from a personal email address but do work at Microsoft. Last I know this wasn't possible unless you were using the Windows ISO images and I do not believe it is possible to build a WinPE image to include Narrator. Work was done specific to the Windows ISOs to get this included for the talking installs of Windows. I myself use that image and exit to a cmd shell as mentioned here with shift+F10. I know it is more effort but I'd encourage people to log feedback on wanting this scenario to work through email to edad@microsoft.com. Kelly -----Original Message----- From: Brian Moore <bmoore@screenreview.org> Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2022 11:14 AM To: Mailing list for blind system administrators <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org>; Andrew Hodgson <andrew@hodgson.io> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Accessing Windows PE environment How odd. The only one I use regularly is the one built by image for windows which is pretty standard I think. However, that one includes narrator. It does start with their shell but you can exit out of it to a command prompt and do whatever. Will do some digging and try and figure out what they did differently to include narrator. Brian. contact me on Linked in <https://www.linkedin.com/in/profile-bmoore123>> or Twitter <http://www.twitter.com/bmoore123> -- On 2022-11-03 11:54 a.m., Andrew Hodgson wrote:
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Hi Andrew: Win RE should have Narrator available in it. At least I've been able to boot off a Windows installation image and select WinRE and Narrator has worked there. Jason, do you know what tool was used to make the custom PE image? I know there's a variety of tools available, some Microsoft and some 3RD party, but if you know you should definitely mention that when you report to EDAD as at the least Microsoft tools should allow you to imbed Narrator into the PE image. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew@hodgson.io <mailto:andrew@hodgson.io>> Reply-To: Mailing list for blind system administrators <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org <mailto:blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org>> Date: Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 10:16 AM To: Kelly Ford <kelly@theideaplace.net <mailto:kelly@theideaplace.net>>, Mailing list for blind system administrators <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org <mailto:blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Accessing Windows PE environment Hi. I think I remember someone on MS (maybe even on this list) saying the same thing here. To be honest it’s a bit annoying there's no access to the recovery environment using speech in the same way there is with the ISO install, especially given that most blind folks may just want to reset their machines and don't want to do a complete reinstall. Looks like others on this list may have another solution for getting a customised PE environment up and running though. Thanks. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Kelly Ford <kelly@theideaplace.net <mailto:kelly@theideaplace.net>> Sent: 03 November 2022 16:53 To: Mailing list for blind system administrators <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org <mailto:blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org>>; Andrew Hodgson <andrew@hodgson.io <mailto:andrew@hodgson.io>> Subject: RE: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Accessing Windows PE environment Hi, I'm replying here from a personal email address but do work at Microsoft. Last I know this wasn't possible unless you were using the Windows ISO images and I do not believe it is possible to build a WinPE image to include Narrator. Work was done specific to the Windows ISOs to get this included for the talking installs of Windows. I myself use that image and exit to a cmd shell as mentioned here with shift+F10. I know it is more effort but I'd encourage people to log feedback on wanting this scenario to work through email to edad@microsoft.com <mailto:edad@microsoft.com>. Kelly -----Original Message----- From: Brian Moore <bmoore@screenreview.org <mailto:bmoore@screenreview.org>> Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2022 11:14 AM To: Mailing list for blind system administrators <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org <mailto:blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org>>; Andrew Hodgson <andrew@hodgson.io <mailto:andrew@hodgson.io>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Accessing Windows PE environment How odd. The only one I use regularly is the one built by image for windows which is pretty standard I think. However, that one includes narrator. It does start with their shell but you can exit out of it to a command prompt and do whatever. Will do some digging and try and figure out what they did differently to include narrator. Brian. contact me on Linked in <https://www.linkedin.com/in/profile-bmoore123>> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/profile-bmoore123>>> or Twitter <http://www.twitter.com/bmoore123> <http://www.twitter.com/bmoore123>> -- On 2022-11-03 11:54 a.m., Andrew Hodgson wrote:
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Hi all, Unfortunately, I can't use Winbuilder in this case. I need to modify an existing PE image that was created internally. I've managed to build a Win PE image using the Windows ADK and boot it. Interestingly, I can only boot an AMD64 image. If I try to boot an x86 image, it won't boot. When I try to run NVDA under the amd64 image, I get an error that nvda.exe isn't compatible with this version of Windows. Could this be because NVDA is a 32-bit app and this is a 64-bit image? I know on regular Windows this doesn't matter, but Win PE could be different. Thanks! Jason Fayre: Assistive Technology Specialist, End Point Compute | ETS | CIBC 81 Bay Street, 14th – 16th floor, Toronto, ON M5J 0E7 | jason.fayre@cibc.com Our purpose: To help make your ambition a reality This message, including attachments, is confidential and may be privileged. If you received this in error, please notify me by reply email and delete this message -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew@hodgson.io> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2022 11:54 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Accessing Windows PE environment [EXTERNAL] Hi. The problem I have isn't so much getting NVDA started but getting any usable audio. Thanks. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Isaac Brofman <bigikemusic@gmail.com> Sent: 03 November 2022 15:50 To: Mailing list for blind system administrators <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org>; Andrew Hodgson <andrew@hodgson.io> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Accessing Windows PE environment Hi, you might try shift f 10 when the image has booted, then navigate with the command prompt to get to the directory and start nvda. With sighted help the first time you could also envoke notepad and use it like your opening a file and see what drives windows has made to find the nvda directory. On 11/3/2022 9:42 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote:
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