Windows 10 creators update
Hi all, Can anyone speak on whether the supposed integration of Narrator with the installation/setup/PE process will also extend to server operating systems? Nothing about said integration was mentioned in the blog post, though you would think that something could be done about it ... if one side of an interface is accessible, then all sides of it ought to be.
I have not seen this yet with any of the Windows 10 Creator builds so far. Take care Christopher McMillan CEEKTechnology MSPartner for Accessibility Skype chrismmcmillan Windows 10 Build 1607 build 14393.576 Windows 10 Creators Build 14986 Accessibility testing Windows 10 Mobile ________________________________ From: Blind-sysadmins <blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> on behalf of Katherine Moss <Katherine.Moss@gordon.edu> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 3:32 PM To: 'blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org' Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi all, Can anyone speak on whether the supposed integration of Narrator with the installation/setup/PE process will also extend to server operating systems? Nothing about said integration was mentioned in the blog post, though you would think that something could be done about it ... if one side of an interface is accessible, then all sides of it ought to be. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
I have not seen this yet with any of the Windows 10 Creator builds so far. Take care Christopher McMillan CEEKTechnology MSPartner for Accessibility Skype chrismmcmillan Windows 10 Build 1607 build 14393.576 Windows 10 Creators Build 14986 Accessibility testing Windows 10 Mobile ________________________________ From: Blind-sysadmins <blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> on behalf of Katherine Moss <Katherine.Moss@gordon.edu> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 3:32 PM To: 'blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org' Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi all, Can anyone speak on whether the supposed integration of Narrator with the installation/setup/PE process will also extend to server operating systems? Nothing about said integration was mentioned in the blog post, though you would think that something could be done about it ... if one side of an interface is accessible, then all sides of it ought to be. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
what exatly are creators builds? another release of windos 10? Den 2016-12-19 kl. 04:46, skrev Christopher McMillan:
I have not seen this yet with any of the Windows 10 Creator builds so far.
Take care
Christopher McMillan CEEKTechnology MSPartner for Accessibility Skype chrismmcmillan Windows 10 Build 1607 build 14393.576 Windows 10 Creators Build 14986 Accessibility testing Windows 10 Mobile
________________________________ From: Blind-sysadmins <blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> on behalf of Katherine Moss <Katherine.Moss@gordon.edu> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 3:32 PM To: 'blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org' Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update
Hi all, Can anyone speak on whether the supposed integration of Narrator with the installation/setup/PE process will also extend to server operating systems? Nothing about said integration was mentioned in the blog post, though you would think that something could be done about it ... if one side of an interface is accessible, then all sides of it ought to be. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
It's a term Microsoft is using to refer to the newest builds of Windows ... in preview at the moment. It's called "creator's update" I think because some of the art applications such as Paint have been enhanced for 3D modelling; something that obviously doesn't affect us that much. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of mattias Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 2:54 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update what exatly are creators builds? another release of windos 10? Den 2016-12-19 kl. 04:46, skrev Christopher McMillan:
I have not seen this yet with any of the Windows 10 Creator builds so far.
Take care
Christopher McMillan CEEKTechnology MSPartner for Accessibility Skype chrismmcmillan Windows 10 Build 1607 build 14393.576 Windows 10 Creators Build 14986 Accessibility testing Windows 10 Mobile
________________________________ From: Blind-sysadmins <blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> on behalf of Katherine Moss <Katherine.Moss@gordon.edu> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 3:32 PM To: 'blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org' Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update
Hi all, Can anyone speak on whether the supposed integration of Narrator with the installation/setup/PE process will also extend to server operating systems? Nothing about said integration was mentioned in the blog post, though you would think that something could be done about it ... if one side of an interface is accessible, then all sides of it ought to be. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
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So if I running a newer preview of windows I'm using creator? -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] För Katherine Moss Skickat: den 19 december 2016 14:10 Till: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Ämne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update It's a term Microsoft is using to refer to the newest builds of Windows ... in preview at the moment. It's called "creator's update" I think because some of the art applications such as Paint have been enhanced for 3D modelling; something that obviously doesn't affect us that much. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of mattias Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 2:54 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update what exatly are creators builds? another release of windos 10? Den 2016-12-19 kl. 04:46, skrev Christopher McMillan:
I have not seen this yet with any of the Windows 10 Creator builds so far.
Take care
Christopher McMillan CEEKTechnology MSPartner for Accessibility Skype chrismmcmillan Windows 10 Build 1607 build 14393.576 Windows 10 Creators Build 14986 Accessibility testing Windows 10 Mobile
________________________________ From: Blind-sysadmins <blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> on behalf of Katherine Moss <Katherine.Moss@gordon.edu> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 3:32 PM To: 'blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org' Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update
Hi all, Can anyone speak on whether the supposed integration of Narrator with the installation/setup/PE process will also extend to server operating systems? Nothing about said integration was mentioned in the blog post, though you would think that something could be done about it ... if one side of an interface is accessible, then all sides of it ought to be. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
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So if I running a newer preview of windows I'm using creator? -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] För Katherine Moss Skickat: den 19 december 2016 14:10 Till: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Ämne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update It's a term Microsoft is using to refer to the newest builds of Windows ... in preview at the moment. It's called "creator's update" I think because some of the art applications such as Paint have been enhanced for 3D modelling; something that obviously doesn't affect us that much. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of mattias Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 2:54 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update what exatly are creators builds? another release of windos 10? Den 2016-12-19 kl. 04:46, skrev Christopher McMillan:
I have not seen this yet with any of the Windows 10 Creator builds so far.
Take care
Christopher McMillan CEEKTechnology MSPartner for Accessibility Skype chrismmcmillan Windows 10 Build 1607 build 14393.576 Windows 10 Creators Build 14986 Accessibility testing Windows 10 Mobile
________________________________ From: Blind-sysadmins <blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> on behalf of Katherine Moss <Katherine.Moss@gordon.edu> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 3:32 PM To: 'blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org' Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update
Hi all, Can anyone speak on whether the supposed integration of Narrator with the installation/setup/PE process will also extend to server operating systems? Nothing about said integration was mentioned in the blog post, though you would think that something could be done about it ... if one side of an interface is accessible, then all sides of it ought to be. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
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It's a term Microsoft is using to refer to the newest builds of Windows ... in preview at the moment. It's called "creator's update" I think because some of the art applications such as Paint have been enhanced for 3D modelling; something that obviously doesn't affect us that much. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of mattias Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 2:54 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update what exatly are creators builds? another release of windos 10? Den 2016-12-19 kl. 04:46, skrev Christopher McMillan:
I have not seen this yet with any of the Windows 10 Creator builds so far.
Take care
Christopher McMillan CEEKTechnology MSPartner for Accessibility Skype chrismmcmillan Windows 10 Build 1607 build 14393.576 Windows 10 Creators Build 14986 Accessibility testing Windows 10 Mobile
________________________________ From: Blind-sysadmins <blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> on behalf of Katherine Moss <Katherine.Moss@gordon.edu> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 3:32 PM To: 'blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org' Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update
Hi all, Can anyone speak on whether the supposed integration of Narrator with the installation/setup/PE process will also extend to server operating systems? Nothing about said integration was mentioned in the blog post, though you would think that something could be done about it ... if one side of an interface is accessible, then all sides of it ought to be. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
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Hi Katherine: I just wanted to update you on your question, I did reach out to some of the Narrator team and asked about server SKUs. The short answer is yes, the releases of Windows Server 2016 based on the creater's update of Windows 10 will have the talking Windows PE based install. I still believe that as soon as you boot into the actual Windows Server OS for the out of box experience, the Windows Audio service will be disabled and you won't have speech for that part of setup. I did raise this feedback so we'll see how far it goes, but to be honest in an enterprise environment, most companies have automated ways to set their servers up. Many servers don't even have sound cards, although I do understand that could be worked around easily with a USB headset, so that argument doesn't go too far. Most of the people I know either used an automated setup to install Windows Server, or they'd be using something like ILO on HP servers to install the server remotely anyway. I'm not saying the feedback and issue isn't important as it is, just saying that its not common to do an interactive setup of Windows Server at the server console. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 2:32 PM To: 'blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org' <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi all, Can anyone speak on whether the supposed integration of Narrator with the installation/setup/PE process will also extend to server operating systems? Nothing about said integration was mentioned in the blog post, though you would think that something could be done about it ... if one side of an interface is accessible, then all sides of it ought to be. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.hodgsonfamily.org%2Flistinfo%2Fblind-sysadmins&data=02%7C01%7Cryshugar%40microsoft.com%7C7af675a1fae444128c3608d426bbd74d%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636176035589573968&sdata=gaRsK9BLoN9ilJFEqFm%2BxWmlcNsaBne1uyFy%2FexXtcE%3D&reserved=0
Then there needs to be a way for us to toggle the audio service enabled at OOBE ... because in my opinion, not having it enabled, or at least available to enable via a keystroke, really defeats the purpose of having the talking PE experience to begin with. Yes ... you've probably figured how opinionated and passionate about this I am ... LOL ... thanks for checking this out, though! -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart via Blind-sysadmins Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 12:01 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Cc: Ryan Shugart <ryshugar@microsoft.com> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi Katherine: I just wanted to update you on your question, I did reach out to some of the Narrator team and asked about server SKUs. The short answer is yes, the releases of Windows Server 2016 based on the creater's update of Windows 10 will have the talking Windows PE based install. I still believe that as soon as you boot into the actual Windows Server OS for the out of box experience, the Windows Audio service will be disabled and you won't have speech for that part of setup. I did raise this feedback so we'll see how far it goes, but to be honest in an enterprise environment, most companies have automated ways to set their servers up. Many servers don't even have sound cards, although I do understand that could be worked around easily with a USB headset, so that argument doesn't go too far. Most of the people I know either used an automated setup to install Windows Server, or they'd be using something like ILO on HP servers to install the server remotely anyway. I'm not saying the feedback and issue isn't important as it is, just saying that its not common to do an interactive setup of Windows Server at the server console. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 2:32 PM To: 'blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org' <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi all, Can anyone speak on whether the supposed integration of Narrator with the installation/setup/PE process will also extend to server operating systems? Nothing about said integration was mentioned in the blog post, though you would think that something could be done about it ... if one side of an interface is accessible, then all sides of it ought to be. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.hodgsonfamily.org%2Flistinfo%2Fblind-sysadmins&data=02%7C01%7Cryshugar%40microsoft.com%7C7af675a1fae444128c3608d426bbd74d%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636176035589573968&sdata=gaRsK9BLoN9ilJFEqFm%2BxWmlcNsaBne1uyFy%2FexXtcE%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
Then there needs to be a way for us to toggle the audio service enabled at OOBE ... because in my opinion, not having it enabled, or at least available to enable via a keystroke, really defeats the purpose of having the talking PE experience to begin with. Yes ... you've probably figured how opinionated and passionate about this I am ... LOL ... thanks for checking this out, though! -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart via Blind-sysadmins Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 12:01 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Cc: Ryan Shugart <ryshugar@microsoft.com> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi Katherine: I just wanted to update you on your question, I did reach out to some of the Narrator team and asked about server SKUs. The short answer is yes, the releases of Windows Server 2016 based on the creater's update of Windows 10 will have the talking Windows PE based install. I still believe that as soon as you boot into the actual Windows Server OS for the out of box experience, the Windows Audio service will be disabled and you won't have speech for that part of setup. I did raise this feedback so we'll see how far it goes, but to be honest in an enterprise environment, most companies have automated ways to set their servers up. Many servers don't even have sound cards, although I do understand that could be worked around easily with a USB headset, so that argument doesn't go too far. Most of the people I know either used an automated setup to install Windows Server, or they'd be using something like ILO on HP servers to install the server remotely anyway. I'm not saying the feedback and issue isn't important as it is, just saying that its not common to do an interactive setup of Windows Server at the server console. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 2:32 PM To: 'blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org' <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi all, Can anyone speak on whether the supposed integration of Narrator with the installation/setup/PE process will also extend to server operating systems? Nothing about said integration was mentioned in the blog post, though you would think that something could be done about it ... if one side of an interface is accessible, then all sides of it ought to be. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.hodgsonfamily.org%2Flistinfo%2Fblind-sysadmins&data=02%7C01%7Cryshugar%40microsoft.com%7C7af675a1fae444128c3608d426bbd74d%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636176035589573968&sdata=gaRsK9BLoN9ilJFEqFm%2BxWmlcNsaBne1uyFy%2FexXtcE%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
Katherine, I agree with you. We start down a slippery slope when we say that access doesn't need to be included because it only will be used by a few. I hear this all the time from people... "You are the only blind person we know so it is not worth the trouble/expense/time...." Just my $0.02. Kp -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 8:02 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Then there needs to be a way for us to toggle the audio service enabled at OOBE ... because in my opinion, not having it enabled, or at least available to enable via a keystroke, really defeats the purpose of having the talking PE experience to begin with. Yes ... you've probably figured how opinionated and passionate about this I am ... LOL ... thanks for checking this out, though! -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart via Blind-sysadmins Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 12:01 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Cc: Ryan Shugart <ryshugar@microsoft.com> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi Katherine: I just wanted to update you on your question, I did reach out to some of the Narrator team and asked about server SKUs. The short answer is yes, the releases of Windows Server 2016 based on the creater's update of Windows 10 will have the talking Windows PE based install. I still believe that as soon as you boot into the actual Windows Server OS for the out of box experience, the Windows Audio service will be disabled and you won't have speech for that part of setup. I did raise this feedback so we'll see how far it goes, but to be honest in an enterprise environment, most companies have automated ways to set their servers up. Many servers don't even have sound cards, although I do understand that could be worked around easily with a USB headset, so that argument doesn't go too far. Most of the people I know either used an automated setup to install Windows Server, or they'd be using something like ILO on HP servers to install the server remotely anyway. I'm not saying the fee dback and issue isn't important as it is, just saying that its not common to do an interactive setup of Windows Server at the server console. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 2:32 PM To: 'blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org' <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi all, Can anyone speak on whether the supposed integration of Narrator with the installation/setup/PE process will also extend to server operating systems? Nothing about said integration was mentioned in the blog post, though you would think that something could be done about it ... if one side of an interface is accessible, then all sides of it ought to be. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.hodgs onfamily.org%2Flistinfo%2Fblind-sysadmins&data=02%7C01%7Cryshugar%40microsof t.com%7C7af675a1fae444128c3608d426bbd74d%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47% 7C1%7C0%7C636176035589573968&sdata=gaRsK9BLoN9ilJFEqFm%2BxWmlcNsaBne1uyFy%2F exXtcE%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
Thanks in part to the wonderful people on this list working at Microsoft ... we're no longer preaching to the choir. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Kelly Prescott Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 9:35 AM To: 'Blind sysadmins list' <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Katherine, I agree with you. We start down a slippery slope when we say that access doesn't need to be included because it only will be used by a few. I hear this all the time from people... "You are the only blind person we know so it is not worth the trouble/expense/time...." Just my $0.02. Kp -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 8:02 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Then there needs to be a way for us to toggle the audio service enabled at OOBE ... because in my opinion, not having it enabled, or at least available to enable via a keystroke, really defeats the purpose of having the talking PE experience to begin with. Yes ... you've probably figured how opinionated and passionate about this I am ... LOL ... thanks for checking this out, though! -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart via Blind-sysadmins Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 12:01 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Cc: Ryan Shugart <ryshugar@microsoft.com> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi Katherine: I just wanted to update you on your question, I did reach out to some of the Narrator team and asked about server SKUs. The short answer is yes, the releases of Windows Server 2016 based on the creater's update of Windows 10 will have the talking Windows PE based install. I still believe that as soon as you boot into the actual Windows Server OS for the out of box experience, the Windows Audio service will be disabled and you won't have speech for that part of setup. I did raise this feedback so we'll see how far it goes, but to be honest in an enterprise environment, most companies have automated ways to set their servers up. Many servers don't even have sound cards, although I do understand that could be worked around easily with a USB headset, so that argument doesn't go too far. Most of the people I know either used an automated setup to install Windows Server, or they'd be using something like ILO on HP servers to install the server remotely anyway. I'm not saying the fee dback and issue isn't important as it is, just saying that its not common to do an interactive setup of Windows Server at the server console. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 2:32 PM To: 'blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org' <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi all, Can anyone speak on whether the supposed integration of Narrator with the installation/setup/PE process will also extend to server operating systems? Nothing about said integration was mentioned in the blog post, though you would think that something could be done about it ... if one side of an interface is accessible, then all sides of it ought to be. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.hodgs onfamily.org%2Flistinfo%2Fblind-sysadmins&data=02%7C01%7Cryshugar%40microsof t.com%7C7af675a1fae444128c3608d426bbd74d%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47% 7C1%7C0%7C636176035589573968&sdata=gaRsK9BLoN9ilJFEqFm%2BxWmlcNsaBne1uyFy%2F exXtcE%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
Thanks in part to the wonderful people on this list working at Microsoft ... we're no longer preaching to the choir. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Kelly Prescott Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 9:35 AM To: 'Blind sysadmins list' <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Katherine, I agree with you. We start down a slippery slope when we say that access doesn't need to be included because it only will be used by a few. I hear this all the time from people... "You are the only blind person we know so it is not worth the trouble/expense/time...." Just my $0.02. Kp -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 8:02 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Then there needs to be a way for us to toggle the audio service enabled at OOBE ... because in my opinion, not having it enabled, or at least available to enable via a keystroke, really defeats the purpose of having the talking PE experience to begin with. Yes ... you've probably figured how opinionated and passionate about this I am ... LOL ... thanks for checking this out, though! -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart via Blind-sysadmins Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 12:01 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Cc: Ryan Shugart <ryshugar@microsoft.com> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi Katherine: I just wanted to update you on your question, I did reach out to some of the Narrator team and asked about server SKUs. The short answer is yes, the releases of Windows Server 2016 based on the creater's update of Windows 10 will have the talking Windows PE based install. I still believe that as soon as you boot into the actual Windows Server OS for the out of box experience, the Windows Audio service will be disabled and you won't have speech for that part of setup. I did raise this feedback so we'll see how far it goes, but to be honest in an enterprise environment, most companies have automated ways to set their servers up. Many servers don't even have sound cards, although I do understand that could be worked around easily with a USB headset, so that argument doesn't go too far. Most of the people I know either used an automated setup to install Windows Server, or they'd be using something like ILO on HP servers to install the server remotely anyway. I'm not saying the fee dback and issue isn't important as it is, just saying that its not common to do an interactive setup of Windows Server at the server console. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 2:32 PM To: 'blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org' <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi all, Can anyone speak on whether the supposed integration of Narrator with the installation/setup/PE process will also extend to server operating systems? Nothing about said integration was mentioned in the blog post, though you would think that something could be done about it ... if one side of an interface is accessible, then all sides of it ought to be. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.hodgs onfamily.org%2Flistinfo%2Fblind-sysadmins&data=02%7C01%7Cryshugar%40microsof t.com%7C7af675a1fae444128c3608d426bbd74d%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47% 7C1%7C0%7C636176035589573968&sdata=gaRsK9BLoN9ilJFEqFm%2BxWmlcNsaBne1uyFy%2F exXtcE%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
Kelly: I do agree with you, as I said I've already raised this with the Narrator team and enquired if there's a way to do just what you're talking about. So we'll see what happens with the feedback I put in. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Kelly Prescott Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 8:35 AM To: 'Blind sysadmins list' <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Katherine, I agree with you. We start down a slippery slope when we say that access doesn't need to be included because it only will be used by a few. I hear this all the time from people... "You are the only blind person we know so it is not worth the trouble/expense/time...." Just my $0.02. Kp -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 8:02 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Then there needs to be a way for us to toggle the audio service enabled at OOBE ... because in my opinion, not having it enabled, or at least available to enable via a keystroke, really defeats the purpose of having the talking PE experience to begin with. Yes ... you've probably figured how opinionated and passionate about this I am ... LOL ... thanks for checking this out, though! -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart via Blind-sysadmins Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 12:01 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Cc: Ryan Shugart <ryshugar@microsoft.com> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi Katherine: I just wanted to update you on your question, I did reach out to some of the Narrator team and asked about server SKUs. The short answer is yes, the releases of Windows Server 2016 based on the creater's update of Windows 10 will have the talking Windows PE based install. I still believe that as soon as you boot into the actual Windows Server OS for the out of box experience, the Windows Audio service will be disabled and you won't have speech for that part of setup. I did raise this feedback so we'll see how far it goes, but to be honest in an enterprise environment, most companies have automated ways to set their servers up. Many servers don't even have sound cards, although I do understand that could be worked around easily with a USB headset, so that argument doesn't go too far. Most of the people I know either used an automated setup to install Windows Server, or they'd be using something like ILO on HP servers to install the server remotely anyway. I'm not saying the fee dback and issue isn't important as it is, just saying that its not common to do an interactive setup of Windows Server at the server console. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 2:32 PM To: 'blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org' <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi all, Can anyone speak on whether the supposed integration of Narrator with the installation/setup/PE process will also extend to server operating systems? Nothing about said integration was mentioned in the blog post, though you would think that something could be done about it ... if one side of an interface is accessible, then all sides of it ought to be. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.hodgs onfamily.org%2Flistinfo%2Fblind-sysadmins&data=02%7C01%7Cryshugar%40microsof t.com%7C7af675a1fae444128c3608d426bbd74d%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47% 7C1%7C0%7C636176035589573968&sdata=gaRsK9BLoN9ilJFEqFm%2BxWmlcNsaBne1uyFy%2F exXtcE%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.hodgsonfamily.org%2Flistinfo%2Fblind-sysadmins&data=02%7C01%7Cryshugar%40microsoft.com%7C94276fe181dd4ec3777a08d42b410184%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636181005582815429&sdata=r71RllXaD%2FI8%2FnR%2BeKNYT2UwHcSYGcYDwXl9RoXSIDY%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.hodgsonfamily.org%2Flistinfo%2Fblind-sysadmins&data=02%7C01%7Cryshugar%40microsoft.com%7C94276fe181dd4ec3777a08d42b410184%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636181005582815429&sdata=r71RllXaD%2FI8%2FnR%2BeKNYT2UwHcSYGcYDwXl9RoXSIDY%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.hodgsonfamily.org%2Flistinfo%2Fblind-sysadmins&data=02%7C01%7Cryshugar%40microsoft.com%7C94276fe181dd4ec3777a08d42b410184%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636181005582815429&sdata=r71RllXaD%2FI8%2FnR%2BeKNYT2UwHcSYGcYDwXl9RoXSIDY%3D&reserved=0
Kelly: I do agree with you, as I said I've already raised this with the Narrator team and enquired if there's a way to do just what you're talking about. So we'll see what happens with the feedback I put in. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Kelly Prescott Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 8:35 AM To: 'Blind sysadmins list' <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Katherine, I agree with you. We start down a slippery slope when we say that access doesn't need to be included because it only will be used by a few. I hear this all the time from people... "You are the only blind person we know so it is not worth the trouble/expense/time...." Just my $0.02. Kp -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 8:02 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Then there needs to be a way for us to toggle the audio service enabled at OOBE ... because in my opinion, not having it enabled, or at least available to enable via a keystroke, really defeats the purpose of having the talking PE experience to begin with. Yes ... you've probably figured how opinionated and passionate about this I am ... LOL ... thanks for checking this out, though! -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart via Blind-sysadmins Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 12:01 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Cc: Ryan Shugart <ryshugar@microsoft.com> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi Katherine: I just wanted to update you on your question, I did reach out to some of the Narrator team and asked about server SKUs. The short answer is yes, the releases of Windows Server 2016 based on the creater's update of Windows 10 will have the talking Windows PE based install. I still believe that as soon as you boot into the actual Windows Server OS for the out of box experience, the Windows Audio service will be disabled and you won't have speech for that part of setup. I did raise this feedback so we'll see how far it goes, but to be honest in an enterprise environment, most companies have automated ways to set their servers up. Many servers don't even have sound cards, although I do understand that could be worked around easily with a USB headset, so that argument doesn't go too far. Most of the people I know either used an automated setup to install Windows Server, or they'd be using something like ILO on HP servers to install the server remotely anyway. I'm not saying the fee dback and issue isn't important as it is, just saying that its not common to do an interactive setup of Windows Server at the server console. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 2:32 PM To: 'blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org' <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi all, Can anyone speak on whether the supposed integration of Narrator with the installation/setup/PE process will also extend to server operating systems? Nothing about said integration was mentioned in the blog post, though you would think that something could be done about it ... if one side of an interface is accessible, then all sides of it ought to be. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.hodgs onfamily.org%2Flistinfo%2Fblind-sysadmins&data=02%7C01%7Cryshugar%40microsof t.com%7C7af675a1fae444128c3608d426bbd74d%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47% 7C1%7C0%7C636176035589573968&sdata=gaRsK9BLoN9ilJFEqFm%2BxWmlcNsaBne1uyFy%2F exXtcE%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.hodgsonfamily.org%2Flistinfo%2Fblind-sysadmins&data=02%7C01%7Cryshugar%40microsoft.com%7C94276fe181dd4ec3777a08d42b410184%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636181005582815429&sdata=r71RllXaD%2FI8%2FnR%2BeKNYT2UwHcSYGcYDwXl9RoXSIDY%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.hodgsonfamily.org%2Flistinfo%2Fblind-sysadmins&data=02%7C01%7Cryshugar%40microsoft.com%7C94276fe181dd4ec3777a08d42b410184%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636181005582815429&sdata=r71RllXaD%2FI8%2FnR%2BeKNYT2UwHcSYGcYDwXl9RoXSIDY%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.hodgsonfamily.org%2Flistinfo%2Fblind-sysadmins&data=02%7C01%7Cryshugar%40microsoft.com%7C94276fe181dd4ec3777a08d42b410184%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636181005582815429&sdata=r71RllXaD%2FI8%2FnR%2BeKNYT2UwHcSYGcYDwXl9RoXSIDY%3D&reserved=0
We don't consider accessibility a number's game: accessibility has to be included no matter what. The question is when and how within the whole set of relevant accessibility scenarios. I'm not expecting anyone in the product team to argue against adding an option to activate audio in server SKUs during installs, but I'm expecting them to be interested in what should come first: should we focus on more accessible automation first, or should accessible WinPE take precedence? And yes, we should work on both, but in which order? Everything has a roadmap and a list of priorities. We do not stack rank accessibility features against all the issues and priorities because that would lead to the slippery slope you point out. But I believe it makes sense to prioritize accessibility features and issues among themselves. Does that make sense? Gianugo -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Kelly Prescott Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 6:35 AM To: 'Blind sysadmins list' <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Katherine, I agree with you. We start down a slippery slope when we say that access doesn't need to be included because it only will be used by a few. I hear this all the time from people... "You are the only blind person we know so it is not worth the trouble/expense/time...." Just my $0.02. Kp -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 8:02 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Then there needs to be a way for us to toggle the audio service enabled at OOBE ... because in my opinion, not having it enabled, or at least available to enable via a keystroke, really defeats the purpose of having the talking PE experience to begin with. Yes ... you've probably figured how opinionated and passionate about this I am ... LOL ... thanks for checking this out, though! -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart via Blind-sysadmins Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 12:01 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Cc: Ryan Shugart <ryshugar@microsoft.com> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi Katherine: I just wanted to update you on your question, I did reach out to some of the Narrator team and asked about server SKUs. The short answer is yes, the releases of Windows Server 2016 based on the creater's update of Windows 10 will have the talking Windows PE based install. I still believe that as soon as you boot into the actual Windows Server OS for the out of box experience, the Windows Audio service will be disabled and you won't have speech for that part of setup. I did raise this feedback so we'll see how far it goes, but to be honest in an enterprise environment, most companies have automated ways to set their servers up. Many servers don't even have sound cards, although I do understand that could be worked around easily with a USB headset, so that argument doesn't go too far. Most of the people I know either used an automated setup to install Windows Server, or they'd be using something like ILO on HP servers to install the server remotely anyway. I'm not saying the fee dback and issue isn't important as it is, just saying that its not common to do an interactive setup of Windows Server at the server console. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 2:32 PM To: 'blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org' <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi all, Can anyone speak on whether the supposed integration of Narrator with the installation/setup/PE process will also extend to server operating systems? Nothing about said integration was mentioned in the blog post, though you would think that something could be done about it ... if one side of an interface is accessible, then all sides of it ought to be. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.hodgs onfamily.org%2Flistinfo%2Fblind-sysadmins&data=02%7C01%7Cryshugar%40microsof t.com%7C7af675a1fae444128c3608d426bbd74d%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47% 7C1%7C0%7C636176035589573968&sdata=gaRsK9BLoN9ilJFEqFm%2BxWmlcNsaBne1uyFy%2F exXtcE%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.hodgsonfamily.org%2Flistinfo%2Fblind-sysadmins&data=02%7C01%7Cgianugo.rabellino%40microsoft.com%7C94276fe181dd4ec3777a08d42b410184%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636181005584226631&sdata=4N50Znfp88XmZDDoH36bC9%2FZXmA%2FNkgve4wsy2x2Xas%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.hodgsonfamily.org%2Flistinfo%2Fblind-sysadmins&data=02%7C01%7Cgianugo.rabellino%40microsoft.com%7C94276fe181dd4ec3777a08d42b410184%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636181005584226631&sdata=4N50Znfp88XmZDDoH36bC9%2FZXmA%2FNkgve4wsy2x2Xas%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.hodgsonfamily.org%2Flistinfo%2Fblind-sysadmins&data=02%7C01%7Cgianugo.rabellino%40microsoft.com%7C94276fe181dd4ec3777a08d42b410184%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636181005584226631&sdata=4N50Znfp88XmZDDoH36bC9%2FZXmA%2FNkgve4wsy2x2Xas%3D&reserved=0
We don't consider accessibility a number's game: accessibility has to be included no matter what. The question is when and how within the whole set of relevant accessibility scenarios. I'm not expecting anyone in the product team to argue against adding an option to activate audio in server SKUs during installs, but I'm expecting them to be interested in what should come first: should we focus on more accessible automation first, or should accessible WinPE take precedence? And yes, we should work on both, but in which order? Everything has a roadmap and a list of priorities. We do not stack rank accessibility features against all the issues and priorities because that would lead to the slippery slope you point out. But I believe it makes sense to prioritize accessibility features and issues among themselves. Does that make sense? Gianugo -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Kelly Prescott Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 6:35 AM To: 'Blind sysadmins list' <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Katherine, I agree with you. We start down a slippery slope when we say that access doesn't need to be included because it only will be used by a few. I hear this all the time from people... "You are the only blind person we know so it is not worth the trouble/expense/time...." Just my $0.02. Kp -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 8:02 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Then there needs to be a way for us to toggle the audio service enabled at OOBE ... because in my opinion, not having it enabled, or at least available to enable via a keystroke, really defeats the purpose of having the talking PE experience to begin with. Yes ... you've probably figured how opinionated and passionate about this I am ... LOL ... thanks for checking this out, though! -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart via Blind-sysadmins Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 12:01 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Cc: Ryan Shugart <ryshugar@microsoft.com> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi Katherine: I just wanted to update you on your question, I did reach out to some of the Narrator team and asked about server SKUs. The short answer is yes, the releases of Windows Server 2016 based on the creater's update of Windows 10 will have the talking Windows PE based install. I still believe that as soon as you boot into the actual Windows Server OS for the out of box experience, the Windows Audio service will be disabled and you won't have speech for that part of setup. I did raise this feedback so we'll see how far it goes, but to be honest in an enterprise environment, most companies have automated ways to set their servers up. Many servers don't even have sound cards, although I do understand that could be worked around easily with a USB headset, so that argument doesn't go too far. Most of the people I know either used an automated setup to install Windows Server, or they'd be using something like ILO on HP servers to install the server remotely anyway. I'm not saying the fee dback and issue isn't important as it is, just saying that its not common to do an interactive setup of Windows Server at the server console. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 2:32 PM To: 'blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org' <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi all, Can anyone speak on whether the supposed integration of Narrator with the installation/setup/PE process will also extend to server operating systems? Nothing about said integration was mentioned in the blog post, though you would think that something could be done about it ... if one side of an interface is accessible, then all sides of it ought to be. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.hodgs onfamily.org%2Flistinfo%2Fblind-sysadmins&data=02%7C01%7Cryshugar%40microsof t.com%7C7af675a1fae444128c3608d426bbd74d%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47% 7C1%7C0%7C636176035589573968&sdata=gaRsK9BLoN9ilJFEqFm%2BxWmlcNsaBne1uyFy%2F exXtcE%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.hodgsonfamily.org%2Flistinfo%2Fblind-sysadmins&data=02%7C01%7Cgianugo.rabellino%40microsoft.com%7C94276fe181dd4ec3777a08d42b410184%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636181005584226631&sdata=4N50Znfp88XmZDDoH36bC9%2FZXmA%2FNkgve4wsy2x2Xas%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.hodgsonfamily.org%2Flistinfo%2Fblind-sysadmins&data=02%7C01%7Cgianugo.rabellino%40microsoft.com%7C94276fe181dd4ec3777a08d42b410184%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636181005584226631&sdata=4N50Znfp88XmZDDoH36bC9%2FZXmA%2FNkgve4wsy2x2Xas%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.hodgsonfamily.org%2Flistinfo%2Fblind-sysadmins&data=02%7C01%7Cgianugo.rabellino%40microsoft.com%7C94276fe181dd4ec3777a08d42b410184%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636181005584226631&sdata=4N50Znfp88XmZDDoH36bC9%2FZXmA%2FNkgve4wsy2x2Xas%3D&reserved=0
That definitely makes sense ... it almost seems that automation is the way to go in terms of this ... but for both large and small environments ... including those environments that don't have something like SCCM set up. Both issues should be handled, though. And while on the topic of the Creator's update also, when is the first preview coming out with the PE speech enabled? I'm curious because I have a laptop that needs Windows 10 and I'm totally fine with insider/preview builds. I'm curious whether I should wait and make this little guy my first test... -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Gianugo Rabellino via Blind-sysadmins Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 1:56 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Cc: Gianugo Rabellino <Gianugo.Rabellino@microsoft.com> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update We don't consider accessibility a number's game: accessibility has to be included no matter what. The question is when and how within the whole set of relevant accessibility scenarios. I'm not expecting anyone in the product team to argue against adding an option to activate audio in server SKUs during installs, but I'm expecting them to be interested in what should come first: should we focus on more accessible automation first, or should accessible WinPE take precedence? And yes, we should work on both, but in which order? Everything has a roadmap and a list of priorities. We do not stack rank accessibility features against all the issues and priorities because that would lead to the slippery slope you point out. But I believe it makes sense to prioritize accessibility features and issues among themselves. Does that make sense? Gianugo -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Kelly Prescott Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 6:35 AM To: 'Blind sysadmins list' <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Katherine, I agree with you. We start down a slippery slope when we say that access doesn't need to be included because it only will be used by a few. I hear this all the time from people... "You are the only blind person we know so it is not worth the trouble/expense/time...." Just my $0.02. Kp -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 8:02 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Then there needs to be a way for us to toggle the audio service enabled at OOBE ... because in my opinion, not having it enabled, or at least available to enable via a keystroke, really defeats the purpose of having the talking PE experience to begin with. Yes ... you've probably figured how opinionated and passionate about this I am ... LOL ... thanks for checking this out, though! -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart via Blind-sysadmins Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 12:01 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Cc: Ryan Shugart <ryshugar@microsoft.com> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi Katherine: I just wanted to update you on your question, I did reach out to some of the Narrator team and asked about server SKUs. The short answer is yes, the releases of Windows Server 2016 based on the creater's update of Windows 10 will have the talking Windows PE based install. I still believe that as soon as you boot into the actual Windows Server OS for the out of box experience, the Windows Audio service will be disabled and you won't have speech for that part of setup. I did raise this feedback so we'll see how far it goes, but to be honest in an enterprise environment, most companies have automated ways to set their servers up. Many servers don't even have sound cards, although I do understand that could be worked around easily with a USB headset, so that argument doesn't go too far. Most of the people I know either used an automated setup to install Windows Server, or they'd be using something like ILO on HP servers to install the server remotely anyway. I'm not saying the fee dback and issue isn't important as it is, just saying that its not common to do an interactive setup of Windows Server at the server console. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 2:32 PM To: 'blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org' <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi all, Can anyone speak on whether the supposed integration of Narrator with the installation/setup/PE process will also extend to server operating systems? Nothing about said integration was mentioned in the blog post, though you would think that something could be done about it ... if one side of an interface is accessible, then all sides of it ought to be. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.hodgs onfamily.org%2Flistinfo%2Fblind-sysadmins&data=02%7C01%7Cryshugar%40microsof t.com%7C7af675a1fae444128c3608d426bbd74d%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47% 7C1%7C0%7C636176035589573968&sdata=gaRsK9BLoN9ilJFEqFm%2BxWmlcNsaBne1uyFy%2F exXtcE%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.hodgsonfamily.org%2Flistinfo%2Fblind-sysadmins&data=02%7C01%7Cgianugo.rabellino%40microsoft.com%7C94276fe181dd4ec3777a08d42b410184%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636181005584226631&sdata=4N50Znfp88XmZDDoH36bC9%2FZXmA%2FNkgve4wsy2x2Xas%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.hodgsonfamily.org%2Flistinfo%2Fblind-sysadmins&data=02%7C01%7Cgianugo.rabellino%40microsoft.com%7C94276fe181dd4ec3777a08d42b410184%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636181005584226631&sdata=4N50Znfp88XmZDDoH36bC9%2FZXmA%2FNkgve4wsy2x2Xas%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.hodgsonfamily.org%2Flistinfo%2Fblind-sysadmins&data=02%7C01%7Cgianugo.rabellino%40microsoft.com%7C94276fe181dd4ec3777a08d42b410184%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636181005584226631&sdata=4N50Znfp88XmZDDoH36bC9%2FZXmA%2FNkgve4wsy2x2Xas%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
That definitely makes sense ... it almost seems that automation is the way to go in terms of this ... but for both large and small environments ... including those environments that don't have something like SCCM set up. Both issues should be handled, though. And while on the topic of the Creator's update also, when is the first preview coming out with the PE speech enabled? I'm curious because I have a laptop that needs Windows 10 and I'm totally fine with insider/preview builds. I'm curious whether I should wait and make this little guy my first test... -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Gianugo Rabellino via Blind-sysadmins Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 1:56 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Cc: Gianugo Rabellino <Gianugo.Rabellino@microsoft.com> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update We don't consider accessibility a number's game: accessibility has to be included no matter what. The question is when and how within the whole set of relevant accessibility scenarios. I'm not expecting anyone in the product team to argue against adding an option to activate audio in server SKUs during installs, but I'm expecting them to be interested in what should come first: should we focus on more accessible automation first, or should accessible WinPE take precedence? And yes, we should work on both, but in which order? Everything has a roadmap and a list of priorities. We do not stack rank accessibility features against all the issues and priorities because that would lead to the slippery slope you point out. But I believe it makes sense to prioritize accessibility features and issues among themselves. Does that make sense? Gianugo -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Kelly Prescott Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 6:35 AM To: 'Blind sysadmins list' <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Katherine, I agree with you. We start down a slippery slope when we say that access doesn't need to be included because it only will be used by a few. I hear this all the time from people... "You are the only blind person we know so it is not worth the trouble/expense/time...." Just my $0.02. Kp -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 8:02 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Then there needs to be a way for us to toggle the audio service enabled at OOBE ... because in my opinion, not having it enabled, or at least available to enable via a keystroke, really defeats the purpose of having the talking PE experience to begin with. Yes ... you've probably figured how opinionated and passionate about this I am ... LOL ... thanks for checking this out, though! -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart via Blind-sysadmins Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 12:01 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Cc: Ryan Shugart <ryshugar@microsoft.com> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi Katherine: I just wanted to update you on your question, I did reach out to some of the Narrator team and asked about server SKUs. The short answer is yes, the releases of Windows Server 2016 based on the creater's update of Windows 10 will have the talking Windows PE based install. I still believe that as soon as you boot into the actual Windows Server OS for the out of box experience, the Windows Audio service will be disabled and you won't have speech for that part of setup. I did raise this feedback so we'll see how far it goes, but to be honest in an enterprise environment, most companies have automated ways to set their servers up. Many servers don't even have sound cards, although I do understand that could be worked around easily with a USB headset, so that argument doesn't go too far. Most of the people I know either used an automated setup to install Windows Server, or they'd be using something like ILO on HP servers to install the server remotely anyway. I'm not saying the fee dback and issue isn't important as it is, just saying that its not common to do an interactive setup of Windows Server at the server console. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 2:32 PM To: 'blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org' <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi all, Can anyone speak on whether the supposed integration of Narrator with the installation/setup/PE process will also extend to server operating systems? Nothing about said integration was mentioned in the blog post, though you would think that something could be done about it ... if one side of an interface is accessible, then all sides of it ought to be. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.hodgs onfamily.org%2Flistinfo%2Fblind-sysadmins&data=02%7C01%7Cryshugar%40microsof t.com%7C7af675a1fae444128c3608d426bbd74d%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47% 7C1%7C0%7C636176035589573968&sdata=gaRsK9BLoN9ilJFEqFm%2BxWmlcNsaBne1uyFy%2F exXtcE%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.hodgsonfamily.org%2Flistinfo%2Fblind-sysadmins&data=02%7C01%7Cgianugo.rabellino%40microsoft.com%7C94276fe181dd4ec3777a08d42b410184%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636181005584226631&sdata=4N50Znfp88XmZDDoH36bC9%2FZXmA%2FNkgve4wsy2x2Xas%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.hodgsonfamily.org%2Flistinfo%2Fblind-sysadmins&data=02%7C01%7Cgianugo.rabellino%40microsoft.com%7C94276fe181dd4ec3777a08d42b410184%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636181005584226631&sdata=4N50Znfp88XmZDDoH36bC9%2FZXmA%2FNkgve4wsy2x2Xas%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.hodgsonfamily.org%2Flistinfo%2Fblind-sysadmins&data=02%7C01%7Cgianugo.rabellino%40microsoft.com%7C94276fe181dd4ec3777a08d42b410184%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636181005584226631&sdata=4N50Znfp88XmZDDoH36bC9%2FZXmA%2FNkgve4wsy2x2Xas%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
Hi, I agree with you guys about having a simple audio toggle for the OOB, but believe that in the future we will be seeing automation only on the server side. That is, we won't be doing manual installs of Windows server at all. I think that automation in current times is the only real way we as blind sysadmins can really compete with others as it puts us on a level playing field with other sysadmins as we use the same technology and ways of working. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart via Blind-sysadmins Sent: 23 December 2016 05:01 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Cc: Ryan Shugart <ryshugar@microsoft.com> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi Katherine: I just wanted to update you on your question, I did reach out to some of the Narrator team and asked about server SKUs. The short answer is yes, the releases of Windows Server 2016 based on the creater's update of Windows 10 will have the talking Windows PE based install. I still believe that as soon as you boot into the actual Windows Server OS for the out of box experience, the Windows Audio service will be disabled and you won't have speech for that part of setup. I did raise this feedback so we'll see how far it goes, but to be honest in an enterprise environment, most companies have automated ways to set their servers up. Many servers don't even have sound cards, although I do understand that could be worked around easily with a USB headset, so that argument doesn't go too far. Most of the people I know either used an automated setup to install Windows Server, or they'd be using something like ILO on HP servers to install the server remotely anyway. I'm not saying the feedback and issue isn't important as it is, just saying that its not common to do an interactive setup of Windows Server at the server console. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 2:32 PM To: 'blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org' <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi all, Can anyone speak on whether the supposed integration of Narrator with the installation/setup/PE process will also extend to server operating systems? Nothing about said integration was mentioned in the blog post, though you would think that something could be done about it ... if one side of an interface is accessible, then all sides of it ought to be. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.hodgsonfamily.org%2Flistinfo%2Fblind-sysadmins&data=02%7C01%7Cryshugar%40microsoft.com%7C7af675a1fae444128c3608d426bbd74d%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636176035589573968&sdata=gaRsK9BLoN9ilJFEqFm%2BxWmlcNsaBne1uyFy%2FexXtcE%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
True ... but then the problem occurs that if we can't see what our automation is doing ... how to ensure that we do it right the first time? For testing automation, at least, audio and speech needs to exist so that a sighted individual doesn't have to sit through dozens of testing phases. I don't need my mother standing there confused for 20 minutes while I run experiments in the lab. LOL. If you want to go that way ... then I propose a PowerShell based way of capturing images ... so that one doesn't have to boot into WinPE for that ... for unless audio is present, the same old horn comes around again. I am interested in this part of the setup in particular because I wanted to try automation on my own projects as well. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 12:04 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi, I agree with you guys about having a simple audio toggle for the OOB, but believe that in the future we will be seeing automation only on the server side. That is, we won't be doing manual installs of Windows server at all. I think that automation in current times is the only real way we as blind sysadmins can really compete with others as it puts us on a level playing field with other sysadmins as we use the same technology and ways of working. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart via Blind-sysadmins Sent: 23 December 2016 05:01 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Cc: Ryan Shugart <ryshugar@microsoft.com> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi Katherine: I just wanted to update you on your question, I did reach out to some of the Narrator team and asked about server SKUs. The short answer is yes, the releases of Windows Server 2016 based on the creater's update of Windows 10 will have the talking Windows PE based install. I still believe that as soon as you boot into the actual Windows Server OS for the out of box experience, the Windows Audio service will be disabled and you won't have speech for that part of setup. I did raise this feedback so we'll see how far it goes, but to be honest in an enterprise environment, most companies have automated ways to set their servers up. Many servers don't even have sound cards, although I do understand that could be worked around easily with a USB headset, so that argument doesn't go too far. Most of the people I know either used an automated setup to install Windows Server, or they'd be using something like ILO on HP servers to install the server remotely anyway. I'm not saying the feedback and issue isn't important as it is, just saying that its not common to do an interactive setup of Windows Server at the server console. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 2:32 PM To: 'blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org' <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi all, Can anyone speak on whether the supposed integration of Narrator with the installation/setup/PE process will also extend to server operating systems? Nothing about said integration was mentioned in the blog post, though you would think that something could be done about it ... if one side of an interface is accessible, then all sides of it ought to be. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.hodgsonfamily.org%2Flistinfo%2Fblind-sysadmins&data=02%7C01%7Cryshugar%40microsoft.com%7C7af675a1fae444128c3608d426bbd74d%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636176035589573968&sdata=gaRsK9BLoN9ilJFEqFm%2BxWmlcNsaBne1uyFy%2FexXtcE%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
True ... but then the problem occurs that if we can't see what our automation is doing ... how to ensure that we do it right the first time? For testing automation, at least, audio and speech needs to exist so that a sighted individual doesn't have to sit through dozens of testing phases. I don't need my mother standing there confused for 20 minutes while I run experiments in the lab. LOL. If you want to go that way ... then I propose a PowerShell based way of capturing images ... so that one doesn't have to boot into WinPE for that ... for unless audio is present, the same old horn comes around again. I am interested in this part of the setup in particular because I wanted to try automation on my own projects as well. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 12:04 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi, I agree with you guys about having a simple audio toggle for the OOB, but believe that in the future we will be seeing automation only on the server side. That is, we won't be doing manual installs of Windows server at all. I think that automation in current times is the only real way we as blind sysadmins can really compete with others as it puts us on a level playing field with other sysadmins as we use the same technology and ways of working. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart via Blind-sysadmins Sent: 23 December 2016 05:01 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Cc: Ryan Shugart <ryshugar@microsoft.com> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi Katherine: I just wanted to update you on your question, I did reach out to some of the Narrator team and asked about server SKUs. The short answer is yes, the releases of Windows Server 2016 based on the creater's update of Windows 10 will have the talking Windows PE based install. I still believe that as soon as you boot into the actual Windows Server OS for the out of box experience, the Windows Audio service will be disabled and you won't have speech for that part of setup. I did raise this feedback so we'll see how far it goes, but to be honest in an enterprise environment, most companies have automated ways to set their servers up. Many servers don't even have sound cards, although I do understand that could be worked around easily with a USB headset, so that argument doesn't go too far. Most of the people I know either used an automated setup to install Windows Server, or they'd be using something like ILO on HP servers to install the server remotely anyway. I'm not saying the feedback and issue isn't important as it is, just saying that its not common to do an interactive setup of Windows Server at the server console. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 2:32 PM To: 'blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org' <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi all, Can anyone speak on whether the supposed integration of Narrator with the installation/setup/PE process will also extend to server operating systems? Nothing about said integration was mentioned in the blog post, though you would think that something could be done about it ... if one side of an interface is accessible, then all sides of it ought to be. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.hodgsonfamily.org%2Flistinfo%2Fblind-sysadmins&data=02%7C01%7Cryshugar%40microsoft.com%7C7af675a1fae444128c3608d426bbd74d%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636176035589573968&sdata=gaRsK9BLoN9ilJFEqFm%2BxWmlcNsaBne1uyFy%2FexXtcE%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
You could argue that automated testing would fix this, My Chef automation is backed up by automated test cases which can be tested without any issues. I see though what you are saying, and that getting the automated testing working is a bit of a step, but it really is a game changer in terms of moving forward. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: 23 December 2016 17:31 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update True ... but then the problem occurs that if we can't see what our automation is doing ... how to ensure that we do it right the first time? For testing automation, at least, audio and speech needs to exist so that a sighted individual doesn't have to sit through dozens of testing phases. I don't need my mother standing there confused for 20 minutes while I run experiments in the lab. LOL. If you want to go that way ... then I propose a PowerShell based way of capturing images ... so that one doesn't have to boot into WinPE for that ... for unless audio is present, the same old horn comes around again. I am interested in this part of the setup in particular because I wanted to try automation on my own projects as well. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 12:04 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi, I agree with you guys about having a simple audio toggle for the OOB, but believe that in the future we will be seeing automation only on the server side. That is, we won't be doing manual installs of Windows server at all. I think that automation in current times is the only real way we as blind sysadmins can really compete with others as it puts us on a level playing field with other sysadmins as we use the same technology and ways of working. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart via Blind-sysadmins Sent: 23 December 2016 05:01 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Cc: Ryan Shugart <ryshugar@microsoft.com> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi Katherine: I just wanted to update you on your question, I did reach out to some of the Narrator team and asked about server SKUs. The short answer is yes, the releases of Windows Server 2016 based on the creater's update of Windows 10 will have the talking Windows PE based install. I still believe that as soon as you boot into the actual Windows Server OS for the out of box experience, the Windows Audio service will be disabled and you won't have speech for that part of setup. I did raise this feedback so we'll see how far it goes, but to be honest in an enterprise environment, most companies have automated ways to set their servers up. Many servers don't even have sound cards, although I do understand that could be worked around easily with a USB headset, so that argument doesn't go too far. Most of the people I know either used an automated setup to install Windows Server, or they'd be using something like ILO on HP servers to install the server remotely anyway. I'm not saying the feedback and issue isn't important as it is, just saying that its not common to do an interactive setup of Windows Server at the server console. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 2:32 PM To: 'blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org' <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi all, Can anyone speak on whether the supposed integration of Narrator with the installation/setup/PE process will also extend to server operating systems? Nothing about said integration was mentioned in the blog post, though you would think that something could be done about it ... if one side of an interface is accessible, then all sides of it ought to be. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.hodgsonfamily.org%2Flistinfo%2Fblind-sysadmins&data=02%7C01%7Cryshugar%40microsoft.com%7C7af675a1fae444128c3608d426bbd74d%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636176035589573968&sdata=gaRsK9BLoN9ilJFEqFm%2BxWmlcNsaBne1uyFy%2FexXtcE%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
Where we need to get is the level of scripting that NanoServer has in terms of installing the OS; with that, you don't even see an interface nor do you first have to capture an image from an existing one. What gets me about the current method of automation is the fact that in order to get an image ... unless I am misunderstanding something, you have to install the OS manually, walk through the steps by hand, and then finally capture an image, and it's a painin the butt and a half to get the automation set up where the image capture is taken care of for you ... in other words, if you don't have a file server setup beforehand, you're sort of up a creek. There should be some way to walk through that via powerShell onto a VHDX file via the .WIM alone. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 3:02 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update You could argue that automated testing would fix this, My Chef automation is backed up by automated test cases which can be tested without any issues. I see though what you are saying, and that getting the automated testing working is a bit of a step, but it really is a game changer in terms of moving forward. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: 23 December 2016 17:31 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update True ... but then the problem occurs that if we can't see what our automation is doing ... how to ensure that we do it right the first time? For testing automation, at least, audio and speech needs to exist so that a sighted individual doesn't have to sit through dozens of testing phases. I don't need my mother standing there confused for 20 minutes while I run experiments in the lab. LOL. If you want to go that way ... then I propose a PowerShell based way of capturing images ... so that one doesn't have to boot into WinPE for that ... for unless audio is present, the same old horn comes around again. I am interested in this part of the setup in particular because I wanted to try automation on my own projects as well. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 12:04 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi, I agree with you guys about having a simple audio toggle for the OOB, but believe that in the future we will be seeing automation only on the server side. That is, we won't be doing manual installs of Windows server at all. I think that automation in current times is the only real way we as blind sysadmins can really compete with others as it puts us on a level playing field with other sysadmins as we use the same technology and ways of working. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart via Blind-sysadmins Sent: 23 December 2016 05:01 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Cc: Ryan Shugart <ryshugar@microsoft.com> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi Katherine: I just wanted to update you on your question, I did reach out to some of the Narrator team and asked about server SKUs. The short answer is yes, the releases of Windows Server 2016 based on the creater's update of Windows 10 will have the talking Windows PE based install. I still believe that as soon as you boot into the actual Windows Server OS for the out of box experience, the Windows Audio service will be disabled and you won't have speech for that part of setup. I did raise this feedback so we'll see how far it goes, but to be honest in an enterprise environment, most companies have automated ways to set their servers up. Many servers don't even have sound cards, although I do understand that could be worked around easily with a USB headset, so that argument doesn't go too far. Most of the people I know either used an automated setup to install Windows Server, or they'd be using something like ILO on HP servers to install the server remotely anyway. I'm not saying the feedback and issue isn't important as it is, just saying that its not common to do an interactive setup of Windows Server at the server console. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 2:32 PM To: 'blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org' <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi all, Can anyone speak on whether the supposed integration of Narrator with the installation/setup/PE process will also extend to server operating systems? Nothing about said integration was mentioned in the blog post, though you would think that something could be done about it ... if one side of an interface is accessible, then all sides of it ought to be. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.hodgsonfamily.org%2Flistinfo%2Fblind-sysadmins&data=02%7C01%7Cryshugar%40microsoft.com%7C7af675a1fae444128c3608d426bbd74d%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636176035589573968&sdata=gaRsK9BLoN9ilJFEqFm%2BxWmlcNsaBne1uyFy%2FexXtcE%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
Where we need to get is the level of scripting that NanoServer has in terms of installing the OS; with that, you don't even see an interface nor do you first have to capture an image from an existing one. What gets me about the current method of automation is the fact that in order to get an image ... unless I am misunderstanding something, you have to install the OS manually, walk through the steps by hand, and then finally capture an image, and it's a painin the butt and a half to get the automation set up where the image capture is taken care of for you ... in other words, if you don't have a file server setup beforehand, you're sort of up a creek. There should be some way to walk through that via powerShell onto a VHDX file via the .WIM alone. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 3:02 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update You could argue that automated testing would fix this, My Chef automation is backed up by automated test cases which can be tested without any issues. I see though what you are saying, and that getting the automated testing working is a bit of a step, but it really is a game changer in terms of moving forward. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: 23 December 2016 17:31 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update True ... but then the problem occurs that if we can't see what our automation is doing ... how to ensure that we do it right the first time? For testing automation, at least, audio and speech needs to exist so that a sighted individual doesn't have to sit through dozens of testing phases. I don't need my mother standing there confused for 20 minutes while I run experiments in the lab. LOL. If you want to go that way ... then I propose a PowerShell based way of capturing images ... so that one doesn't have to boot into WinPE for that ... for unless audio is present, the same old horn comes around again. I am interested in this part of the setup in particular because I wanted to try automation on my own projects as well. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 12:04 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi, I agree with you guys about having a simple audio toggle for the OOB, but believe that in the future we will be seeing automation only on the server side. That is, we won't be doing manual installs of Windows server at all. I think that automation in current times is the only real way we as blind sysadmins can really compete with others as it puts us on a level playing field with other sysadmins as we use the same technology and ways of working. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart via Blind-sysadmins Sent: 23 December 2016 05:01 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Cc: Ryan Shugart <ryshugar@microsoft.com> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi Katherine: I just wanted to update you on your question, I did reach out to some of the Narrator team and asked about server SKUs. The short answer is yes, the releases of Windows Server 2016 based on the creater's update of Windows 10 will have the talking Windows PE based install. I still believe that as soon as you boot into the actual Windows Server OS for the out of box experience, the Windows Audio service will be disabled and you won't have speech for that part of setup. I did raise this feedback so we'll see how far it goes, but to be honest in an enterprise environment, most companies have automated ways to set their servers up. Many servers don't even have sound cards, although I do understand that could be worked around easily with a USB headset, so that argument doesn't go too far. Most of the people I know either used an automated setup to install Windows Server, or they'd be using something like ILO on HP servers to install the server remotely anyway. I'm not saying the feedback and issue isn't important as it is, just saying that its not common to do an interactive setup of Windows Server at the server console. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 2:32 PM To: 'blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org' <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi all, Can anyone speak on whether the supposed integration of Narrator with the installation/setup/PE process will also extend to server operating systems? Nothing about said integration was mentioned in the blog post, though you would think that something could be done about it ... if one side of an interface is accessible, then all sides of it ought to be. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.hodgsonfamily.org%2Flistinfo%2Fblind-sysadmins&data=02%7C01%7Cryshugar%40microsoft.com%7C7af675a1fae444128c3608d426bbd74d%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636176035589573968&sdata=gaRsK9BLoN9ilJFEqFm%2BxWmlcNsaBne1uyFy%2FexXtcE%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
Hi, That's not the case. Check out Packer, that is the way I create my Windows images. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: 23 December 2016 20:12 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Where we need to get is the level of scripting that NanoServer has in terms of installing the OS; with that, you don't even see an interface nor do you first have to capture an image from an existing one. What gets me about the current method of automation is the fact that in order to get an image ... unless I am misunderstanding something, you have to install the OS manually, walk through the steps by hand, and then finally capture an image, and it's a painin the butt and a half to get the automation set up where the image capture is taken care of for you ... in other words, if you don't have a file server setup beforehand, you're sort of up a creek. There should be some way to walk through that via powerShell onto a VHDX file via the .WIM alone. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 3:02 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update You could argue that automated testing would fix this, My Chef automation is backed up by automated test cases which can be tested without any issues. I see though what you are saying, and that getting the automated testing working is a bit of a step, but it really is a game changer in terms of moving forward. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: 23 December 2016 17:31 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update True ... but then the problem occurs that if we can't see what our automation is doing ... how to ensure that we do it right the first time? For testing automation, at least, audio and speech needs to exist so that a sighted individual doesn't have to sit through dozens of testing phases. I don't need my mother standing there confused for 20 minutes while I run experiments in the lab. LOL. If you want to go that way ... then I propose a PowerShell based way of capturing images ... so that one doesn't have to boot into WinPE for that ... for unless audio is present, the same old horn comes around again. I am interested in this part of the setup in particular because I wanted to try automation on my own projects as well. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 12:04 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi, I agree with you guys about having a simple audio toggle for the OOB, but believe that in the future we will be seeing automation only on the server side. That is, we won't be doing manual installs of Windows server at all. I think that automation in current times is the only real way we as blind sysadmins can really compete with others as it puts us on a level playing field with other sysadmins as we use the same technology and ways of working. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart via Blind-sysadmins Sent: 23 December 2016 05:01 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Cc: Ryan Shugart <ryshugar@microsoft.com> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi Katherine: I just wanted to update you on your question, I did reach out to some of the Narrator team and asked about server SKUs. The short answer is yes, the releases of Windows Server 2016 based on the creater's update of Windows 10 will have the talking Windows PE based install. I still believe that as soon as you boot into the actual Windows Server OS for the out of box experience, the Windows Audio service will be disabled and you won't have speech for that part of setup. I did raise this feedback so we'll see how far it goes, but to be honest in an enterprise environment, most companies have automated ways to set their servers up. Many servers don't even have sound cards, although I do understand that could be worked around easily with a USB headset, so that argument doesn't go too far. Most of the people I know either used an automated setup to install Windows Server, or they'd be using something like ILO on HP servers to install the server remotely anyway. I'm not saying the feedback and issue isn't important as it is, just saying that its not common to do an interactive setup of Windows Server at the server console. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 2:32 PM To: 'blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org' <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi all, Can anyone speak on whether the supposed integration of Narrator with the installation/setup/PE process will also extend to server operating systems? Nothing about said integration was mentioned in the blog post, though you would think that something could be done about it ... if one side of an interface is accessible, then all sides of it ought to be. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.hodgsonfamily.org%2Flistinfo%2Fblind-sysadmins&data=02%7C01%7Cryshugar%40microsoft.com%7C7af675a1fae444128c3608d426bbd74d%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636176035589573968&sdata=gaRsK9BLoN9ilJFEqFm%2BxWmlcNsaBne1uyFy%2FexXtcE%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
Hi, That's not the case. Check out Packer, that is the way I create my Windows images. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: 23 December 2016 20:12 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Where we need to get is the level of scripting that NanoServer has in terms of installing the OS; with that, you don't even see an interface nor do you first have to capture an image from an existing one. What gets me about the current method of automation is the fact that in order to get an image ... unless I am misunderstanding something, you have to install the OS manually, walk through the steps by hand, and then finally capture an image, and it's a painin the butt and a half to get the automation set up where the image capture is taken care of for you ... in other words, if you don't have a file server setup beforehand, you're sort of up a creek. There should be some way to walk through that via powerShell onto a VHDX file via the .WIM alone. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 3:02 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update You could argue that automated testing would fix this, My Chef automation is backed up by automated test cases which can be tested without any issues. I see though what you are saying, and that getting the automated testing working is a bit of a step, but it really is a game changer in terms of moving forward. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: 23 December 2016 17:31 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update True ... but then the problem occurs that if we can't see what our automation is doing ... how to ensure that we do it right the first time? For testing automation, at least, audio and speech needs to exist so that a sighted individual doesn't have to sit through dozens of testing phases. I don't need my mother standing there confused for 20 minutes while I run experiments in the lab. LOL. If you want to go that way ... then I propose a PowerShell based way of capturing images ... so that one doesn't have to boot into WinPE for that ... for unless audio is present, the same old horn comes around again. I am interested in this part of the setup in particular because I wanted to try automation on my own projects as well. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 12:04 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi, I agree with you guys about having a simple audio toggle for the OOB, but believe that in the future we will be seeing automation only on the server side. That is, we won't be doing manual installs of Windows server at all. I think that automation in current times is the only real way we as blind sysadmins can really compete with others as it puts us on a level playing field with other sysadmins as we use the same technology and ways of working. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart via Blind-sysadmins Sent: 23 December 2016 05:01 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Cc: Ryan Shugart <ryshugar@microsoft.com> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi Katherine: I just wanted to update you on your question, I did reach out to some of the Narrator team and asked about server SKUs. The short answer is yes, the releases of Windows Server 2016 based on the creater's update of Windows 10 will have the talking Windows PE based install. I still believe that as soon as you boot into the actual Windows Server OS for the out of box experience, the Windows Audio service will be disabled and you won't have speech for that part of setup. I did raise this feedback so we'll see how far it goes, but to be honest in an enterprise environment, most companies have automated ways to set their servers up. Many servers don't even have sound cards, although I do understand that could be worked around easily with a USB headset, so that argument doesn't go too far. Most of the people I know either used an automated setup to install Windows Server, or they'd be using something like ILO on HP servers to install the server remotely anyway. I'm not saying the feedback and issue isn't important as it is, just saying that its not common to do an interactive setup of Windows Server at the server console. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 2:32 PM To: 'blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org' <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi all, Can anyone speak on whether the supposed integration of Narrator with the installation/setup/PE process will also extend to server operating systems? Nothing about said integration was mentioned in the blog post, though you would think that something could be done about it ... if one side of an interface is accessible, then all sides of it ought to be. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.hodgsonfamily.org%2Flistinfo%2Fblind-sysadmins&data=02%7C01%7Cryshugar%40microsoft.com%7C7af675a1fae444128c3608d426bbd74d%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636176035589573968&sdata=gaRsK9BLoN9ilJFEqFm%2BxWmlcNsaBne1uyFy%2FexXtcE%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
Does that wwork with vhdx files? -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 4:04 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi, That's not the case. Check out Packer, that is the way I create my Windows images. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: 23 December 2016 20:12 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Where we need to get is the level of scripting that NanoServer has in terms of installing the OS; with that, you don't even see an interface nor do you first have to capture an image from an existing one. What gets me about the current method of automation is the fact that in order to get an image ... unless I am misunderstanding something, you have to install the OS manually, walk through the steps by hand, and then finally capture an image, and it's a painin the butt and a half to get the automation set up where the image capture is taken care of for you ... in other words, if you don't have a file server setup beforehand, you're sort of up a creek. There should be some way to walk through that via powerShell onto a VHDX file via the .WIM alone. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 3:02 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update You could argue that automated testing would fix this, My Chef automation is backed up by automated test cases which can be tested without any issues. I see though what you are saying, and that getting the automated testing working is a bit of a step, but it really is a game changer in terms of moving forward. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: 23 December 2016 17:31 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update True ... but then the problem occurs that if we can't see what our automation is doing ... how to ensure that we do it right the first time? For testing automation, at least, audio and speech needs to exist so that a sighted individual doesn't have to sit through dozens of testing phases. I don't need my mother standing there confused for 20 minutes while I run experiments in the lab. LOL. If you want to go that way ... then I propose a PowerShell based way of capturing images ... so that one doesn't have to boot into WinPE for that ... for unless audio is present, the same old horn comes around again. I am interested in this part of the setup in particular because I wanted to try automation on my own projects as well. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 12:04 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi, I agree with you guys about having a simple audio toggle for the OOB, but believe that in the future we will be seeing automation only on the server side. That is, we won't be doing manual installs of Windows server at all. I think that automation in current times is the only real way we as blind sysadmins can really compete with others as it puts us on a level playing field with other sysadmins as we use the same technology and ways of working. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart via Blind-sysadmins Sent: 23 December 2016 05:01 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Cc: Ryan Shugart <ryshugar@microsoft.com> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi Katherine: I just wanted to update you on your question, I did reach out to some of the Narrator team and asked about server SKUs. The short answer is yes, the releases of Windows Server 2016 based on the creater's update of Windows 10 will have the talking Windows PE based install. I still believe that as soon as you boot into the actual Windows Server OS for the out of box experience, the Windows Audio service will be disabled and you won't have speech for that part of setup. I did raise this feedback so we'll see how far it goes, but to be honest in an enterprise environment, most companies have automated ways to set their servers up. Many servers don't even have sound cards, although I do understand that could be worked around easily with a USB headset, so that argument doesn't go too far. Most of the people I know either used an automated setup to install Windows Server, or they'd be using something like ILO on HP servers to install the server remotely anyway. I'm not saying the feedback and issue isn't important as it is, just saying that its not common to do an interactive setup of Windows Server at the server console. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 2:32 PM To: 'blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org' <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi all, Can anyone speak on whether the supposed integration of Narrator with the installation/setup/PE process will also extend to server operating systems? Nothing about said integration was mentioned in the blog post, though you would think that something could be done about it ... if one side of an interface is accessible, then all sides of it ought to be. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.hodgsonfamily.org%2Flistinfo%2Fblind-sysadmins&data=02%7C01%7Cryshugar%40microsoft.com%7C7af675a1fae444128c3608d426bbd74d%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636176035589573968&sdata=gaRsK9BLoN9ilJFEqFm%2BxWmlcNsaBne1uyFy%2FexXtcE%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
Does that wwork with vhdx files? -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 4:04 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi, That's not the case. Check out Packer, that is the way I create my Windows images. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: 23 December 2016 20:12 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Where we need to get is the level of scripting that NanoServer has in terms of installing the OS; with that, you don't even see an interface nor do you first have to capture an image from an existing one. What gets me about the current method of automation is the fact that in order to get an image ... unless I am misunderstanding something, you have to install the OS manually, walk through the steps by hand, and then finally capture an image, and it's a painin the butt and a half to get the automation set up where the image capture is taken care of for you ... in other words, if you don't have a file server setup beforehand, you're sort of up a creek. There should be some way to walk through that via powerShell onto a VHDX file via the .WIM alone. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 3:02 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update You could argue that automated testing would fix this, My Chef automation is backed up by automated test cases which can be tested without any issues. I see though what you are saying, and that getting the automated testing working is a bit of a step, but it really is a game changer in terms of moving forward. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: 23 December 2016 17:31 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update True ... but then the problem occurs that if we can't see what our automation is doing ... how to ensure that we do it right the first time? For testing automation, at least, audio and speech needs to exist so that a sighted individual doesn't have to sit through dozens of testing phases. I don't need my mother standing there confused for 20 minutes while I run experiments in the lab. LOL. If you want to go that way ... then I propose a PowerShell based way of capturing images ... so that one doesn't have to boot into WinPE for that ... for unless audio is present, the same old horn comes around again. I am interested in this part of the setup in particular because I wanted to try automation on my own projects as well. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 12:04 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi, I agree with you guys about having a simple audio toggle for the OOB, but believe that in the future we will be seeing automation only on the server side. That is, we won't be doing manual installs of Windows server at all. I think that automation in current times is the only real way we as blind sysadmins can really compete with others as it puts us on a level playing field with other sysadmins as we use the same technology and ways of working. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart via Blind-sysadmins Sent: 23 December 2016 05:01 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Cc: Ryan Shugart <ryshugar@microsoft.com> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi Katherine: I just wanted to update you on your question, I did reach out to some of the Narrator team and asked about server SKUs. The short answer is yes, the releases of Windows Server 2016 based on the creater's update of Windows 10 will have the talking Windows PE based install. I still believe that as soon as you boot into the actual Windows Server OS for the out of box experience, the Windows Audio service will be disabled and you won't have speech for that part of setup. I did raise this feedback so we'll see how far it goes, but to be honest in an enterprise environment, most companies have automated ways to set their servers up. Many servers don't even have sound cards, although I do understand that could be worked around easily with a USB headset, so that argument doesn't go too far. Most of the people I know either used an automated setup to install Windows Server, or they'd be using something like ILO on HP servers to install the server remotely anyway. I'm not saying the feedback and issue isn't important as it is, just saying that its not common to do an interactive setup of Windows Server at the server console. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 2:32 PM To: 'blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org' <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi all, Can anyone speak on whether the supposed integration of Narrator with the installation/setup/PE process will also extend to server operating systems? Nothing about said integration was mentioned in the blog post, though you would think that something could be done about it ... if one side of an interface is accessible, then all sides of it ought to be. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.hodgsonfamily.org%2Flistinfo%2Fblind-sysadmins&data=02%7C01%7Cryshugar%40microsoft.com%7C7af675a1fae444128c3608d426bbd74d%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636176035589573968&sdata=gaRsK9BLoN9ilJFEqFm%2BxWmlcNsaBne1uyFy%2FexXtcE%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
Hi, Yes. Check out www.hurryupandwait.io. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: 24 December 2016 00:35 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Does that wwork with vhdx files? -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 4:04 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi, That's not the case. Check out Packer, that is the way I create my Windows images. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: 23 December 2016 20:12 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Where we need to get is the level of scripting that NanoServer has in terms of installing the OS; with that, you don't even see an interface nor do you first have to capture an image from an existing one. What gets me about the current method of automation is the fact that in order to get an image ... unless I am misunderstanding something, you have to install the OS manually, walk through the steps by hand, and then finally capture an image, and it's a painin the butt and a half to get the automation set up where the image capture is taken care of for you ... in other words, if you don't have a file server setup beforehand, you're sort of up a creek. There should be some way to walk through that via powerShell onto a VHDX file via the .WIM alone. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 3:02 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update You could argue that automated testing would fix this, My Chef automation is backed up by automated test cases which can be tested without any issues. I see though what you are saying, and that getting the automated testing working is a bit of a step, but it really is a game changer in terms of moving forward. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: 23 December 2016 17:31 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update True ... but then the problem occurs that if we can't see what our automation is doing ... how to ensure that we do it right the first time? For testing automation, at least, audio and speech needs to exist so that a sighted individual doesn't have to sit through dozens of testing phases. I don't need my mother standing there confused for 20 minutes while I run experiments in the lab. LOL. If you want to go that way ... then I propose a PowerShell based way of capturing images ... so that one doesn't have to boot into WinPE for that ... for unless audio is present, the same old horn comes around again. I am interested in this part of the setup in particular because I wanted to try automation on my own projects as well. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 12:04 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi, I agree with you guys about having a simple audio toggle for the OOB, but believe that in the future we will be seeing automation only on the server side. That is, we won't be doing manual installs of Windows server at all. I think that automation in current times is the only real way we as blind sysadmins can really compete with others as it puts us on a level playing field with other sysadmins as we use the same technology and ways of working. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart via Blind-sysadmins Sent: 23 December 2016 05:01 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Cc: Ryan Shugart <ryshugar@microsoft.com> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi Katherine: I just wanted to update you on your question, I did reach out to some of the Narrator team and asked about server SKUs. The short answer is yes, the releases of Windows Server 2016 based on the creater's update of Windows 10 will have the talking Windows PE based install. I still believe that as soon as you boot into the actual Windows Server OS for the out of box experience, the Windows Audio service will be disabled and you won't have speech for that part of setup. I did raise this feedback so we'll see how far it goes, but to be honest in an enterprise environment, most companies have automated ways to set their servers up. Many servers don't even have sound cards, although I do understand that could be worked around easily with a USB headset, so that argument doesn't go too far. Most of the people I know either used an automated setup to install Windows Server, or they'd be using something like ILO on HP servers to install the server remotely anyway. I'm not saying the feedback and issue isn't important as it is, just saying that its not common to do an interactive setup of Windows Server at the server console. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 2:32 PM To: 'blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org' <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi all, Can anyone speak on whether the supposed integration of Narrator with the installation/setup/PE process will also extend to server operating systems? Nothing about said integration was mentioned in the blog post, though you would think that something could be done about it ... if one side of an interface is accessible, then all sides of it ought to be. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.hodgsonfamily.org%2Flistinfo%2Fblind-sysadmins&data=02%7C01%7Cryshugar%40microsoft.com%7C7af675a1fae444128c3608d426bbd74d%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636176035589573968&sdata=gaRsK9BLoN9ilJFEqFm%2BxWmlcNsaBne1uyFy%2FexXtcE%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
I've had several communications with the creator of that site ... he's one talented individual. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 7:41 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi, Yes. Check out www.hurryupandwait.io. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: 24 December 2016 00:35 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Does that wwork with vhdx files? -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 4:04 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi, That's not the case. Check out Packer, that is the way I create my Windows images. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: 23 December 2016 20:12 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Where we need to get is the level of scripting that NanoServer has in terms of installing the OS; with that, you don't even see an interface nor do you first have to capture an image from an existing one. What gets me about the current method of automation is the fact that in order to get an image ... unless I am misunderstanding something, you have to install the OS manually, walk through the steps by hand, and then finally capture an image, and it's a painin the butt and a half to get the automation set up where the image capture is taken care of for you ... in other words, if you don't have a file server setup beforehand, you're sort of up a creek. There should be some way to walk through that via powerShell onto a VHDX file via the .WIM alone. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 3:02 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update You could argue that automated testing would fix this, My Chef automation is backed up by automated test cases which can be tested without any issues. I see though what you are saying, and that getting the automated testing working is a bit of a step, but it really is a game changer in terms of moving forward. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: 23 December 2016 17:31 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update True ... but then the problem occurs that if we can't see what our automation is doing ... how to ensure that we do it right the first time? For testing automation, at least, audio and speech needs to exist so that a sighted individual doesn't have to sit through dozens of testing phases. I don't need my mother standing there confused for 20 minutes while I run experiments in the lab. LOL. If you want to go that way ... then I propose a PowerShell based way of capturing images ... so that one doesn't have to boot into WinPE for that ... for unless audio is present, the same old horn comes around again. I am interested in this part of the setup in particular because I wanted to try automation on my own projects as well. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 12:04 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi, I agree with you guys about having a simple audio toggle for the OOB, but believe that in the future we will be seeing automation only on the server side. That is, we won't be doing manual installs of Windows server at all. I think that automation in current times is the only real way we as blind sysadmins can really compete with others as it puts us on a level playing field with other sysadmins as we use the same technology and ways of working. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart via Blind-sysadmins Sent: 23 December 2016 05:01 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Cc: Ryan Shugart <ryshugar@microsoft.com> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi Katherine: I just wanted to update you on your question, I did reach out to some of the Narrator team and asked about server SKUs. The short answer is yes, the releases of Windows Server 2016 based on the creater's update of Windows 10 will have the talking Windows PE based install. I still believe that as soon as you boot into the actual Windows Server OS for the out of box experience, the Windows Audio service will be disabled and you won't have speech for that part of setup. I did raise this feedback so we'll see how far it goes, but to be honest in an enterprise environment, most companies have automated ways to set their servers up. Many servers don't even have sound cards, although I do understand that could be worked around easily with a USB headset, so that argument doesn't go too far. Most of the people I know either used an automated setup to install Windows Server, or they'd be using something like ILO on HP servers to install the server remotely anyway. I'm not saying the feedback and issue isn't important as it is, just saying that its not common to do an interactive setup of Windows Server at the server console. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 2:32 PM To: 'blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org' <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi all, Can anyone speak on whether the supposed integration of Narrator with the installation/setup/PE process will also extend to server operating systems? Nothing about said integration was mentioned in the blog post, though you would think that something could be done about it ... if one side of an interface is accessible, then all sides of it ought to be. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.hodgsonfamily.org%2Flistinfo%2Fblind-sysadmins&data=02%7C01%7Cryshugar%40microsoft.com%7C7af675a1fae444128c3608d426bbd74d%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636176035589573968&sdata=gaRsK9BLoN9ilJFEqFm%2BxWmlcNsaBne1uyFy%2FexXtcE%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
I've had several communications with the creator of that site ... he's one talented individual. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 7:41 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi, Yes. Check out www.hurryupandwait.io. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: 24 December 2016 00:35 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Does that wwork with vhdx files? -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 4:04 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi, That's not the case. Check out Packer, that is the way I create my Windows images. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: 23 December 2016 20:12 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Where we need to get is the level of scripting that NanoServer has in terms of installing the OS; with that, you don't even see an interface nor do you first have to capture an image from an existing one. What gets me about the current method of automation is the fact that in order to get an image ... unless I am misunderstanding something, you have to install the OS manually, walk through the steps by hand, and then finally capture an image, and it's a painin the butt and a half to get the automation set up where the image capture is taken care of for you ... in other words, if you don't have a file server setup beforehand, you're sort of up a creek. There should be some way to walk through that via powerShell onto a VHDX file via the .WIM alone. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 3:02 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update You could argue that automated testing would fix this, My Chef automation is backed up by automated test cases which can be tested without any issues. I see though what you are saying, and that getting the automated testing working is a bit of a step, but it really is a game changer in terms of moving forward. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: 23 December 2016 17:31 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update True ... but then the problem occurs that if we can't see what our automation is doing ... how to ensure that we do it right the first time? For testing automation, at least, audio and speech needs to exist so that a sighted individual doesn't have to sit through dozens of testing phases. I don't need my mother standing there confused for 20 minutes while I run experiments in the lab. LOL. If you want to go that way ... then I propose a PowerShell based way of capturing images ... so that one doesn't have to boot into WinPE for that ... for unless audio is present, the same old horn comes around again. I am interested in this part of the setup in particular because I wanted to try automation on my own projects as well. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 12:04 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi, I agree with you guys about having a simple audio toggle for the OOB, but believe that in the future we will be seeing automation only on the server side. That is, we won't be doing manual installs of Windows server at all. I think that automation in current times is the only real way we as blind sysadmins can really compete with others as it puts us on a level playing field with other sysadmins as we use the same technology and ways of working. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart via Blind-sysadmins Sent: 23 December 2016 05:01 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Cc: Ryan Shugart <ryshugar@microsoft.com> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi Katherine: I just wanted to update you on your question, I did reach out to some of the Narrator team and asked about server SKUs. The short answer is yes, the releases of Windows Server 2016 based on the creater's update of Windows 10 will have the talking Windows PE based install. I still believe that as soon as you boot into the actual Windows Server OS for the out of box experience, the Windows Audio service will be disabled and you won't have speech for that part of setup. I did raise this feedback so we'll see how far it goes, but to be honest in an enterprise environment, most companies have automated ways to set their servers up. Many servers don't even have sound cards, although I do understand that could be worked around easily with a USB headset, so that argument doesn't go too far. Most of the people I know either used an automated setup to install Windows Server, or they'd be using something like ILO on HP servers to install the server remotely anyway. I'm not saying the feedback and issue isn't important as it is, just saying that its not common to do an interactive setup of Windows Server at the server console. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 2:32 PM To: 'blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org' <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi all, Can anyone speak on whether the supposed integration of Narrator with the installation/setup/PE process will also extend to server operating systems? Nothing about said integration was mentioned in the blog post, though you would think that something could be done about it ... if one side of an interface is accessible, then all sides of it ought to be. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.hodgsonfamily.org%2Flistinfo%2Fblind-sysadmins&data=02%7C01%7Cryshugar%40microsoft.com%7C7af675a1fae444128c3608d426bbd74d%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636176035589573968&sdata=gaRsK9BLoN9ilJFEqFm%2BxWmlcNsaBne1uyFy%2FexXtcE%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
Hi, Yes. Check out www.hurryupandwait.io. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: 24 December 2016 00:35 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Does that wwork with vhdx files? -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 4:04 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi, That's not the case. Check out Packer, that is the way I create my Windows images. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: 23 December 2016 20:12 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Where we need to get is the level of scripting that NanoServer has in terms of installing the OS; with that, you don't even see an interface nor do you first have to capture an image from an existing one. What gets me about the current method of automation is the fact that in order to get an image ... unless I am misunderstanding something, you have to install the OS manually, walk through the steps by hand, and then finally capture an image, and it's a painin the butt and a half to get the automation set up where the image capture is taken care of for you ... in other words, if you don't have a file server setup beforehand, you're sort of up a creek. There should be some way to walk through that via powerShell onto a VHDX file via the .WIM alone. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 3:02 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update You could argue that automated testing would fix this, My Chef automation is backed up by automated test cases which can be tested without any issues. I see though what you are saying, and that getting the automated testing working is a bit of a step, but it really is a game changer in terms of moving forward. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: 23 December 2016 17:31 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update True ... but then the problem occurs that if we can't see what our automation is doing ... how to ensure that we do it right the first time? For testing automation, at least, audio and speech needs to exist so that a sighted individual doesn't have to sit through dozens of testing phases. I don't need my mother standing there confused for 20 minutes while I run experiments in the lab. LOL. If you want to go that way ... then I propose a PowerShell based way of capturing images ... so that one doesn't have to boot into WinPE for that ... for unless audio is present, the same old horn comes around again. I am interested in this part of the setup in particular because I wanted to try automation on my own projects as well. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 12:04 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi, I agree with you guys about having a simple audio toggle for the OOB, but believe that in the future we will be seeing automation only on the server side. That is, we won't be doing manual installs of Windows server at all. I think that automation in current times is the only real way we as blind sysadmins can really compete with others as it puts us on a level playing field with other sysadmins as we use the same technology and ways of working. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart via Blind-sysadmins Sent: 23 December 2016 05:01 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Cc: Ryan Shugart <ryshugar@microsoft.com> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi Katherine: I just wanted to update you on your question, I did reach out to some of the Narrator team and asked about server SKUs. The short answer is yes, the releases of Windows Server 2016 based on the creater's update of Windows 10 will have the talking Windows PE based install. I still believe that as soon as you boot into the actual Windows Server OS for the out of box experience, the Windows Audio service will be disabled and you won't have speech for that part of setup. I did raise this feedback so we'll see how far it goes, but to be honest in an enterprise environment, most companies have automated ways to set their servers up. Many servers don't even have sound cards, although I do understand that could be worked around easily with a USB headset, so that argument doesn't go too far. Most of the people I know either used an automated setup to install Windows Server, or they'd be using something like ILO on HP servers to install the server remotely anyway. I'm not saying the feedback and issue isn't important as it is, just saying that its not common to do an interactive setup of Windows Server at the server console. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 2:32 PM To: 'blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org' <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi all, Can anyone speak on whether the supposed integration of Narrator with the installation/setup/PE process will also extend to server operating systems? Nothing about said integration was mentioned in the blog post, though you would think that something could be done about it ... if one side of an interface is accessible, then all sides of it ought to be. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.hodgsonfamily.org%2Flistinfo%2Fblind-sysadmins&data=02%7C01%7Cryshugar%40microsoft.com%7C7af675a1fae444128c3608d426bbd74d%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636176035589573968&sdata=gaRsK9BLoN9ilJFEqFm%2BxWmlcNsaBne1uyFy%2FexXtcE%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
You could argue that automated testing would fix this, My Chef automation is backed up by automated test cases which can be tested without any issues. I see though what you are saying, and that getting the automated testing working is a bit of a step, but it really is a game changer in terms of moving forward. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: 23 December 2016 17:31 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update True ... but then the problem occurs that if we can't see what our automation is doing ... how to ensure that we do it right the first time? For testing automation, at least, audio and speech needs to exist so that a sighted individual doesn't have to sit through dozens of testing phases. I don't need my mother standing there confused for 20 minutes while I run experiments in the lab. LOL. If you want to go that way ... then I propose a PowerShell based way of capturing images ... so that one doesn't have to boot into WinPE for that ... for unless audio is present, the same old horn comes around again. I am interested in this part of the setup in particular because I wanted to try automation on my own projects as well. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 12:04 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi, I agree with you guys about having a simple audio toggle for the OOB, but believe that in the future we will be seeing automation only on the server side. That is, we won't be doing manual installs of Windows server at all. I think that automation in current times is the only real way we as blind sysadmins can really compete with others as it puts us on a level playing field with other sysadmins as we use the same technology and ways of working. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart via Blind-sysadmins Sent: 23 December 2016 05:01 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Cc: Ryan Shugart <ryshugar@microsoft.com> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi Katherine: I just wanted to update you on your question, I did reach out to some of the Narrator team and asked about server SKUs. The short answer is yes, the releases of Windows Server 2016 based on the creater's update of Windows 10 will have the talking Windows PE based install. I still believe that as soon as you boot into the actual Windows Server OS for the out of box experience, the Windows Audio service will be disabled and you won't have speech for that part of setup. I did raise this feedback so we'll see how far it goes, but to be honest in an enterprise environment, most companies have automated ways to set their servers up. Many servers don't even have sound cards, although I do understand that could be worked around easily with a USB headset, so that argument doesn't go too far. Most of the people I know either used an automated setup to install Windows Server, or they'd be using something like ILO on HP servers to install the server remotely anyway. I'm not saying the feedback and issue isn't important as it is, just saying that its not common to do an interactive setup of Windows Server at the server console. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 2:32 PM To: 'blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org' <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi all, Can anyone speak on whether the supposed integration of Narrator with the installation/setup/PE process will also extend to server operating systems? Nothing about said integration was mentioned in the blog post, though you would think that something could be done about it ... if one side of an interface is accessible, then all sides of it ought to be. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.hodgsonfamily.org%2Flistinfo%2Fblind-sysadmins&data=02%7C01%7Cryshugar%40microsoft.com%7C7af675a1fae444128c3608d426bbd74d%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636176035589573968&sdata=gaRsK9BLoN9ilJFEqFm%2BxWmlcNsaBne1uyFy%2FexXtcE%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
Hi, I agree with you guys about having a simple audio toggle for the OOB, but believe that in the future we will be seeing automation only on the server side. That is, we won't be doing manual installs of Windows server at all. I think that automation in current times is the only real way we as blind sysadmins can really compete with others as it puts us on a level playing field with other sysadmins as we use the same technology and ways of working. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart via Blind-sysadmins Sent: 23 December 2016 05:01 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Cc: Ryan Shugart <ryshugar@microsoft.com> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi Katherine: I just wanted to update you on your question, I did reach out to some of the Narrator team and asked about server SKUs. The short answer is yes, the releases of Windows Server 2016 based on the creater's update of Windows 10 will have the talking Windows PE based install. I still believe that as soon as you boot into the actual Windows Server OS for the out of box experience, the Windows Audio service will be disabled and you won't have speech for that part of setup. I did raise this feedback so we'll see how far it goes, but to be honest in an enterprise environment, most companies have automated ways to set their servers up. Many servers don't even have sound cards, although I do understand that could be worked around easily with a USB headset, so that argument doesn't go too far. Most of the people I know either used an automated setup to install Windows Server, or they'd be using something like ILO on HP servers to install the server remotely anyway. I'm not saying the feedback and issue isn't important as it is, just saying that its not common to do an interactive setup of Windows Server at the server console. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 2:32 PM To: 'blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org' <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi all, Can anyone speak on whether the supposed integration of Narrator with the installation/setup/PE process will also extend to server operating systems? Nothing about said integration was mentioned in the blog post, though you would think that something could be done about it ... if one side of an interface is accessible, then all sides of it ought to be. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.hodgsonfamily.org%2Flistinfo%2Fblind-sysadmins&data=02%7C01%7Cryshugar%40microsoft.com%7C7af675a1fae444128c3608d426bbd74d%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636176035589573968&sdata=gaRsK9BLoN9ilJFEqFm%2BxWmlcNsaBne1uyFy%2FexXtcE%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
Hi Katherine: I just wanted to update you on your question, I did reach out to some of the Narrator team and asked about server SKUs. The short answer is yes, the releases of Windows Server 2016 based on the creater's update of Windows 10 will have the talking Windows PE based install. I still believe that as soon as you boot into the actual Windows Server OS for the out of box experience, the Windows Audio service will be disabled and you won't have speech for that part of setup. I did raise this feedback so we'll see how far it goes, but to be honest in an enterprise environment, most companies have automated ways to set their servers up. Many servers don't even have sound cards, although I do understand that could be worked around easily with a USB headset, so that argument doesn't go too far. Most of the people I know either used an automated setup to install Windows Server, or they'd be using something like ILO on HP servers to install the server remotely anyway. I'm not saying the feedback and issue isn't important as it is, just saying that its not common to do an interactive setup of Windows Server at the server console. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 2:32 PM To: 'blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org' <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows 10 creators update Hi all, Can anyone speak on whether the supposed integration of Narrator with the installation/setup/PE process will also extend to server operating systems? Nothing about said integration was mentioned in the blog post, though you would think that something could be done about it ... if one side of an interface is accessible, then all sides of it ought to be. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.hodgsonfamily.org%2Flistinfo%2Fblind-sysadmins&data=02%7C01%7Cryshugar%40microsoft.com%7C7af675a1fae444128c3608d426bbd74d%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636176035589573968&sdata=gaRsK9BLoN9ilJFEqFm%2BxWmlcNsaBne1uyFy%2FexXtcE%3D&reserved=0
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