Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm
Emphasis on the simple--they don't provide the insert-q info. If you press ctrl-shft-r, they should toggle between reading and ignoring incoming text. The scripts are named "ssh" because that is what JFW is expecting for this program. Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> wrote:
Chris:
I downloaded your scripts and SecureCRT, but have a question/problem. All the scripts are for ssh, but the SecureCRT program isn't called that. How do I know they're in service, especially since I didn't find any I didn't find any ScriptFileName function, so I put one in, and when I press JAWS Key Q, JAWS tells me I'm running the default scripts.
On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:57:11 -0500, you wrote:
I use Secure CRT and some very simple JAWS scripts for screen echo that I wrote and placed here:
http://chrisnestrud.com/projects/jfw/scrt
Chris
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:33:21PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote: I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't bad with the simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the net until you try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I think we probably have to find a different way to edit files on the remote machine though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to work good.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" <sm@noisynotes.com> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm
That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that mess. TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with PUTTY.
On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote:
Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed
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How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, and found I have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the other system.
On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote:
Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, Secure CRT is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is very good though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including serial.
On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> wrote:
Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a simple JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances which make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with it. Soon as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll probably ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something better, or something that can be changed in the script I have for it, I'm all about trying it.
TIA
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I have OpensSH installed on a Windows box at work and that works fine for connecting to other machines. I use a 'config' file in my user's '.ssh' directory for managing keys etc. I think iti came with GitBash, but you might well be able to get it via Chocolaty, if you kike that sort of package manager, or just download it from the net. I used to use Putty for connecting in when working at home, but I found it a lot of faff. Give me a nice config file any day :) Hope this helps, Jen! On 8/24/15, Chris Nestrud <ccn@chrisnestrud.com> wrote:
Emphasis on the simple--they don't provide the insert-q info.
If you press ctrl-shft-r, they should toggle between reading and ignoring incoming text.
The scripts are named "ssh" because that is what JFW is expecting for this program.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> wrote:
Chris:
I downloaded your scripts and SecureCRT, but have a question/problem. All the scripts are for ssh, but the SecureCRT program isn't called that. How do I know they're in service, especially since I didn't find any I didn't find any ScriptFileName function, so I put one in, and when I press JAWS Key Q, JAWS tells me I'm running the default scripts.
On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:57:11 -0500, you wrote:
I use Secure CRT and some very simple JAWS scripts for screen echo that I wrote and placed here:
http://chrisnestrud.com/projects/jfw/scrt
Chris
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:33:21PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote: I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't bad with the simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the net until you try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I think we probably have to find a different way to edit files on the remote machine though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to work good.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" <sm@noisynotes.com> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm
That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that mess. TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with PUTTY.
On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote:
Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed
-----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr?n: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] F?r Steve Matzura Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 Till: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> ?mne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm
How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, and found I have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the other system.
On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote:
Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, Secure CRT is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is very good though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including serial.
> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> > wrote: > > Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a simple > JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances which > make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with it. > Soon > as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll probably > ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something better, or > something that can be changed in the script I have for it, I'm all > about trying it. > > TIA > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
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I have OpensSH installed on a Windows box at work and that works fine for connecting to other machines. I use a 'config' file in my user's '.ssh' directory for managing keys etc. I think iti came with GitBash, but you might well be able to get it via Chocolaty, if you kike that sort of package manager, or just download it from the net. I used to use Putty for connecting in when working at home, but I found it a lot of faff. Give me a nice config file any day :) Hope this helps, Jen! On 8/24/15, Chris Nestrud <ccn@chrisnestrud.com> wrote:
Emphasis on the simple--they don't provide the insert-q info.
If you press ctrl-shft-r, they should toggle between reading and ignoring incoming text.
The scripts are named "ssh" because that is what JFW is expecting for this program.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> wrote:
Chris:
I downloaded your scripts and SecureCRT, but have a question/problem. All the scripts are for ssh, but the SecureCRT program isn't called that. How do I know they're in service, especially since I didn't find any I didn't find any ScriptFileName function, so I put one in, and when I press JAWS Key Q, JAWS tells me I'm running the default scripts.
On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:57:11 -0500, you wrote:
I use Secure CRT and some very simple JAWS scripts for screen echo that I wrote and placed here:
http://chrisnestrud.com/projects/jfw/scrt
Chris
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:33:21PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote: I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't bad with the simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the net until you try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I think we probably have to find a different way to edit files on the remote machine though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to work good.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" <sm@noisynotes.com> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm
That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that mess. TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with PUTTY.
On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote:
Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed
-----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr?n: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] F?r Steve Matzura Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 Till: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> ?mne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm
How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, and found I have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the other system.
On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote:
Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, Secure CRT is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is very good though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including serial.
> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> > wrote: > > Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a simple > JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances which > make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with it. > Soon > as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll probably > ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something better, or > something that can be changed in the script I have for it, I'm all > about trying it. > > TIA > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
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I've been a linux user for a while now but when I used Windows and openssh, I had a problem in that jaws would speak my password as I typed it in. I wrote a jaws script to stop that. I don't know if it would still work but here it is: http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/pub/program.jss On 08/27/2015 05:34 AM, Jen Bottom wrote:
I have OpensSH installed on a Windows box at work and that works fine for connecting to other machines.
I use a 'config' file in my user's '.ssh' directory for managing keys etc.
I think iti came with GitBash, but you might well be able to get it via Chocolaty, if you kike that sort of package manager, or just download it from the net.
I used to use Putty for connecting in when working at home, but I found it a lot of faff. Give me a nice config file any day :)
Hope this helps, Jen!
On 8/24/15, Chris Nestrud <ccn@chrisnestrud.com> wrote:
Emphasis on the simple--they don't provide the insert-q info.
If you press ctrl-shft-r, they should toggle between reading and ignoring incoming text.
The scripts are named "ssh" because that is what JFW is expecting for this program.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> wrote:
Chris:
I downloaded your scripts and SecureCRT, but have a question/problem. All the scripts are for ssh, but the SecureCRT program isn't called that. How do I know they're in service, especially since I didn't find any I didn't find any ScriptFileName function, so I put one in, and when I press JAWS Key Q, JAWS tells me I'm running the default scripts.
On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:57:11 -0500, you wrote:
I use Secure CRT and some very simple JAWS scripts for screen echo that I wrote and placed here:
http://chrisnestrud.com/projects/jfw/scrt
Chris
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:33:21PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote: I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't bad with the simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the net until you try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I think we probably have to find a different way to edit files on the remote machine though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to work good.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" <sm@noisynotes.com> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm
That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that mess. TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with PUTTY.
On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote:
Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed
-----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr?n: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] F?r Steve Matzura Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 Till: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> ?mne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm
How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, and found I have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the other system.
> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote: > > Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, Secure > CRT > is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is very > good > though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including serial. > >> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >> wrote: >> >> Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a simple >> JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances which >> make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with it. >> Soon >> as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll probably >> ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something better, or >> something that can be changed in the script I have for it, I'm all >> about trying it. >> >> TIA >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
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I have only used NVDA with OpenSSH, but have never had the issue you describe. Cheers, Jen. On 8/27/15, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
I've been a linux user for a while now but when I used Windows and openssh, I had a problem in that jaws would speak my password as I typed it in. I wrote a jaws script to stop that. I don't know if it would still work but here it is:
http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/pub/program.jss
On 08/27/2015 05:34 AM, Jen Bottom wrote:
I have OpensSH installed on a Windows box at work and that works fine for connecting to other machines.
I use a 'config' file in my user's '.ssh' directory for managing keys etc.
I think iti came with GitBash, but you might well be able to get it via Chocolaty, if you kike that sort of package manager, or just download it from the net.
I used to use Putty for connecting in when working at home, but I found it a lot of faff. Give me a nice config file any day :)
Hope this helps, Jen!
On 8/24/15, Chris Nestrud <ccn@chrisnestrud.com> wrote:
Emphasis on the simple--they don't provide the insert-q info.
If you press ctrl-shft-r, they should toggle between reading and ignoring incoming text.
The scripts are named "ssh" because that is what JFW is expecting for this program.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> wrote:
Chris:
I downloaded your scripts and SecureCRT, but have a question/problem. All the scripts are for ssh, but the SecureCRT program isn't called that. How do I know they're in service, especially since I didn't find any I didn't find any ScriptFileName function, so I put one in, and when I press JAWS Key Q, JAWS tells me I'm running the default scripts.
On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:57:11 -0500, you wrote:
I use Secure CRT and some very simple JAWS scripts for screen echo that I wrote and placed here:
http://chrisnestrud.com/projects/jfw/scrt
Chris
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:33:21PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote: I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't bad with the simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the net until you try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I think we probably have to find a different way to edit files on the remote machine though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to work good.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" <sm@noisynotes.com> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm
That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that mess. TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with PUTTY.
> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote: > > Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed > > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Fr?n: Blind-sysadmins > [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] F?r Steve > Matzura > Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 > Till: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> > ?mne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm > > How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, and > found > I > have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the other > system. > >> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote: >> >> Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, Secure >> CRT >> is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is very >> good >> though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including serial. >> >>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a simple >>> JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances which >>> make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with it. >>> Soon >>> as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll probably >>> ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something better, >>> or >>> something that can be changed in the script I have for it, I'm all >>> about trying it. >>> >>> TIA >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
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I have only used NVDA with OpenSSH, but have never had the issue you describe. Cheers, Jen. On 8/27/15, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
I've been a linux user for a while now but when I used Windows and openssh, I had a problem in that jaws would speak my password as I typed it in. I wrote a jaws script to stop that. I don't know if it would still work but here it is:
http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/pub/program.jss
On 08/27/2015 05:34 AM, Jen Bottom wrote:
I have OpensSH installed on a Windows box at work and that works fine for connecting to other machines.
I use a 'config' file in my user's '.ssh' directory for managing keys etc.
I think iti came with GitBash, but you might well be able to get it via Chocolaty, if you kike that sort of package manager, or just download it from the net.
I used to use Putty for connecting in when working at home, but I found it a lot of faff. Give me a nice config file any day :)
Hope this helps, Jen!
On 8/24/15, Chris Nestrud <ccn@chrisnestrud.com> wrote:
Emphasis on the simple--they don't provide the insert-q info.
If you press ctrl-shft-r, they should toggle between reading and ignoring incoming text.
The scripts are named "ssh" because that is what JFW is expecting for this program.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> wrote:
Chris:
I downloaded your scripts and SecureCRT, but have a question/problem. All the scripts are for ssh, but the SecureCRT program isn't called that. How do I know they're in service, especially since I didn't find any I didn't find any ScriptFileName function, so I put one in, and when I press JAWS Key Q, JAWS tells me I'm running the default scripts.
On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:57:11 -0500, you wrote:
I use Secure CRT and some very simple JAWS scripts for screen echo that I wrote and placed here:
http://chrisnestrud.com/projects/jfw/scrt
Chris
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:33:21PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote: I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't bad with the simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the net until you try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I think we probably have to find a different way to edit files on the remote machine though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to work good.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" <sm@noisynotes.com> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm
That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that mess. TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with PUTTY.
> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote: > > Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed > > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Fr?n: Blind-sysadmins > [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] F?r Steve > Matzura > Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 > Till: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> > ?mne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm > > How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, and > found > I > have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the other > system. > >> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote: >> >> Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, Secure >> CRT >> is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is very >> good >> though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including serial. >> >>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a simple >>> JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances which >>> make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with it. >>> Soon >>> as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll probably >>> ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something better, >>> or >>> something that can be changed in the script I have for it, I'm all >>> about trying it. >>> >>> TIA >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
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That would be a fine thing if someone compromised a machine because they over heard a password on a screen reader. Wow! Imagine that one. I’ve never thought about it much but that’s a pretty big risk. I always use headphones which is probably why I never thought about it but if someone really wanted to they could probably pick up the signal from my cans. Well
On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:04 AM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
I've been a linux user for a while now but when I used Windows and openssh, I had a problem in that jaws would speak my password as I typed it in. I wrote a jaws script to stop that. I don't know if it would still work but here it is:
http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/pub/program.jss
On 08/27/2015 05:34 AM, Jen Bottom wrote:
I have OpensSH installed on a Windows box at work and that works fine for connecting to other machines.
I use a 'config' file in my user's '.ssh' directory for managing keys etc.
I think iti came with GitBash, but you might well be able to get it via Chocolaty, if you kike that sort of package manager, or just download it from the net.
I used to use Putty for connecting in when working at home, but I found it a lot of faff. Give me a nice config file any day :)
Hope this helps, Jen!
On 8/24/15, Chris Nestrud <ccn@chrisnestrud.com> wrote:
Emphasis on the simple--they don't provide the insert-q info.
If you press ctrl-shft-r, they should toggle between reading and ignoring incoming text.
The scripts are named "ssh" because that is what JFW is expecting for this program.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> wrote:
Chris:
I downloaded your scripts and SecureCRT, but have a question/problem. All the scripts are for ssh, but the SecureCRT program isn't called that. How do I know they're in service, especially since I didn't find any I didn't find any ScriptFileName function, so I put one in, and when I press JAWS Key Q, JAWS tells me I'm running the default scripts.
On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:57:11 -0500, you wrote:
I use Secure CRT and some very simple JAWS scripts for screen echo that I wrote and placed here:
http://chrisnestrud.com/projects/jfw/scrt
Chris
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:33:21PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote: I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't bad with the simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the net until you try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I think we probably have to find a different way to edit files on the remote machine though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to work good.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" <sm@noisynotes.com> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm
That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that mess. TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with PUTTY.
> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote: > > Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed > > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Fr?n: Blind-sysadmins > [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] F?r Steve > Matzura > Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 > Till: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> > ?mne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm > > How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, and found > I > have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the other > system. > >> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote: >> >> Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, Secure >> CRT >> is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is very >> good >> though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including serial. >> >>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a simple >>> JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances which >>> make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with it. >>> Soon >>> as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll probably >>> ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something better, or >>> something that can be changed in the script I have for it, I'm all >>> about trying it. >>> >>> TIA >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
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I'd prefer not to wear headphones because I figure that can't be good for your hearing. I know there are studies that show that listening to loud music with headphones damages your hearing. I am unaware of any studies that show that listening to speech at a normal level damages your hearing. But why take the chance? Having said that though, I am wearing a headset right now. I don't want my co-workers listening over my shoulder as it were. I know they'd prefer not to listen but I figure sometimes they can't help it. It's not just that I don't want them knowing my business. I'm not going to listen to porn or anything. But if I'm struggling with something, I don't want them over hearing. I've compromised on wearing my headset over just one ear. I always use my left ear so if I lose hearing in that ear, it will probably be because of the headset. On 08/27/2015 10:07 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
That would be a fine thing if someone compromised a machine because they over heard a password on a screen reader. Wow! Imagine that one. I’ve never thought about it much but that’s a pretty big risk. I always use headphones which is probably why I never thought about it but if someone really wanted to they could probably pick up the signal from my cans.
Well
On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:04 AM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
I've been a linux user for a while now but when I used Windows and openssh, I had a problem in that jaws would speak my password as I typed it in. I wrote a jaws script to stop that. I don't know if it would still work but here it is:
http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/pub/program.jss
On 08/27/2015 05:34 AM, Jen Bottom wrote:
I have OpensSH installed on a Windows box at work and that works fine for connecting to other machines.
I use a 'config' file in my user's '.ssh' directory for managing keys etc.
I think iti came with GitBash, but you might well be able to get it via Chocolaty, if you kike that sort of package manager, or just download it from the net.
I used to use Putty for connecting in when working at home, but I found it a lot of faff. Give me a nice config file any day :)
Hope this helps, Jen!
On 8/24/15, Chris Nestrud <ccn@chrisnestrud.com> wrote:
Emphasis on the simple--they don't provide the insert-q info.
If you press ctrl-shft-r, they should toggle between reading and ignoring incoming text.
The scripts are named "ssh" because that is what JFW is expecting for this program.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> wrote:
Chris:
I downloaded your scripts and SecureCRT, but have a question/problem. All the scripts are for ssh, but the SecureCRT program isn't called that. How do I know they're in service, especially since I didn't find any I didn't find any ScriptFileName function, so I put one in, and when I press JAWS Key Q, JAWS tells me I'm running the default scripts.
On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:57:11 -0500, you wrote:
I use Secure CRT and some very simple JAWS scripts for screen echo that I wrote and placed here:
http://chrisnestrud.com/projects/jfw/scrt
Chris
> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:33:21PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote: > I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't bad with > the > simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the net until > you > try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I think we > probably have to find a different way to edit files on the remote > machine > though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to work > good. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" <sm@noisynotes.com> > To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> > Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM > Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm > > > That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that mess. > TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with PUTTY. > >> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote: >> >> Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed >> >> -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >> Fr?n: Blind-sysadmins >> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] F?r Steve >> Matzura >> Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 >> Till: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >> ?mne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >> >> How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, and found >> I >> have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the other >> system. >> >>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote: >>> >>> Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, Secure >>> CRT >>> is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is very >>> good >>> though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including serial. >>> >>>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a simple >>>> JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances which >>>> make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with it. >>>> Soon >>>> as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll probably >>>> ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something better, or >>>> something that can be changed in the script I have for it, I'm all >>>> about trying it. >>>> >>>> TIA >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
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What? Speak louder! :) So that’s funny but we are very similar on this front. However, I definitely have lost hearing a lot of hearing at that. Lots of loud music, loud audio and for extended periods of time, probably 16+ hours per day for what 30 years or so? I was in the music game before network engineering and really blew out a lot of my hearing then mixing live shows and working in the studio. As you know your ears lose sensitivity over time so after say a 20 hour recording session you would find that you start the day at a nice low sound pressure level and by the end of the day you could drown out jet engines.:) I do the same thing though now. I don’t like wearing a headset on both ears in the office because I can’t hear people walking up on me or standing outside my cube. I leave the cans on over my left ear and leave the right ear open to hear the environment around me. You’re smart though being careful with your hearing. I was definitely the opposite of that and while I don’t regret a thing about it I know I have damaged my hearing pretty significantly. Broadcasters run in to this a lot. Rush Limbaugh has an implant to restore his hearing from what I remember and it’s attributed to wearing headphones for an extended period at elevated levels.
On Aug 27, 2015, at 12:18 PM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
I'd prefer not to wear headphones because I figure that can't be good for your hearing. I know there are studies that show that listening to loud music with headphones damages your hearing. I am unaware of any studies that show that listening to speech at a normal level damages your hearing. But why take the chance?
Having said that though, I am wearing a headset right now. I don't want my co-workers listening over my shoulder as it were. I know they'd prefer not to listen but I figure sometimes they can't help it. It's not just that I don't want them knowing my business. I'm not going to listen to porn or anything. But if I'm struggling with something, I don't want them over hearing.
I've compromised on wearing my headset over just one ear. I always use my left ear so if I lose hearing in that ear, it will probably be because of the headset.
On 08/27/2015 10:07 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
That would be a fine thing if someone compromised a machine because they over heard a password on a screen reader. Wow! Imagine that one. I’ve never thought about it much but that’s a pretty big risk. I always use headphones which is probably why I never thought about it but if someone really wanted to they could probably pick up the signal from my cans.
Well
On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:04 AM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
I've been a linux user for a while now but when I used Windows and openssh, I had a problem in that jaws would speak my password as I typed it in. I wrote a jaws script to stop that. I don't know if it would still work but here it is:
http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/pub/program.jss
On 08/27/2015 05:34 AM, Jen Bottom wrote:
I have OpensSH installed on a Windows box at work and that works fine for connecting to other machines.
I use a 'config' file in my user's '.ssh' directory for managing keys etc.
I think iti came with GitBash, but you might well be able to get it via Chocolaty, if you kike that sort of package manager, or just download it from the net.
I used to use Putty for connecting in when working at home, but I found it a lot of faff. Give me a nice config file any day :)
Hope this helps, Jen!
On 8/24/15, Chris Nestrud <ccn@chrisnestrud.com> wrote:
Emphasis on the simple--they don't provide the insert-q info.
If you press ctrl-shft-r, they should toggle between reading and ignoring incoming text.
The scripts are named "ssh" because that is what JFW is expecting for this program.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> wrote:
Chris:
I downloaded your scripts and SecureCRT, but have a question/problem. All the scripts are for ssh, but the SecureCRT program isn't called that. How do I know they're in service, especially since I didn't find any I didn't find any ScriptFileName function, so I put one in, and when I press JAWS Key Q, JAWS tells me I'm running the default scripts.
> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:57:11 -0500, you wrote: > > I use Secure CRT and some very simple JAWS scripts for screen echo that I > wrote and > placed here: > > http://chrisnestrud.com/projects/jfw/scrt > > Chris > >> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:33:21PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote: >> I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't bad with >> the >> simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the net until >> you >> try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I think we >> probably have to find a different way to edit files on the remote >> machine >> though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to work >> good. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" <sm@noisynotes.com> >> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM >> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >> >> >> That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that mess. >> TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with PUTTY. >> >>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote: >>> >>> Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed >>> >>> -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >>> Fr?n: Blind-sysadmins >>> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] F?r Steve >>> Matzura >>> Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 >>> Till: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>> ?mne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>> >>> How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, and found >>> I >>> have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the other >>> system. >>> >>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote: >>>> >>>> Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, Secure >>>> CRT >>>> is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is very >>>> good >>>> though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including serial. >>>> >>>>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a simple >>>>> JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances which >>>>> make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with it. >>>>> Soon >>>>> as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll probably >>>>> ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something better, or >>>>> something that can be changed in the script I have for it, I'm all >>>>> about trying it. >>>>> >>>>> TIA >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
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I imagine it's probably OK as long as we don't have to turn it up very loud to get it over other noise in the environment. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Granados" <scott@granados-llc.net> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones (was: teraterm)
What?
Speak louder!
:)
So that’s funny but we are very similar on this front. However, I definitely have lost hearing a lot of hearing at that. Lots of loud music, loud audio and for extended periods of time, probably 16+ hours per day for what 30 years or so? I was in the music game before network engineering and really blew out a lot of my hearing then mixing live shows and working in the studio. As you know your ears lose sensitivity over time so after say a 20 hour recording session you would find that you start the day at a nice low sound pressure level and by the end of the day you could drown out jet engines.:)
I do the same thing though now. I don’t like wearing a headset on both ears in the office because I can’t hear people walking up on me or standing outside my cube. I leave the cans on over my left ear and leave the right ear open to hear the environment around me.
You’re smart though being careful with your hearing. I was definitely the opposite of that and while I don’t regret a thing about it I know I have damaged my hearing pretty significantly.
Broadcasters run in to this a lot. Rush Limbaugh has an implant to restore his hearing from what I remember and it’s attributed to wearing headphones for an extended period at elevated levels.
On Aug 27, 2015, at 12:18 PM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
I'd prefer not to wear headphones because I figure that can't be good for your hearing. I know there are studies that show that listening to loud music with headphones damages your hearing. I am unaware of any studies that show that listening to speech at a normal level damages your hearing. But why take the chance?
Having said that though, I am wearing a headset right now. I don't want my co-workers listening over my shoulder as it were. I know they'd prefer not to listen but I figure sometimes they can't help it. It's not just that I don't want them knowing my business. I'm not going to listen to porn or anything. But if I'm struggling with something, I don't want them over hearing.
I've compromised on wearing my headset over just one ear. I always use my left ear so if I lose hearing in that ear, it will probably be because of the headset.
On 08/27/2015 10:07 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
That would be a fine thing if someone compromised a machine because they over heard a password on a screen reader. Wow! Imagine that one. I’ve never thought about it much but that’s a pretty big risk. I always use headphones which is probably why I never thought about it but if someone really wanted to they could probably pick up the signal from my cans.
Well
On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:04 AM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
I've been a linux user for a while now but when I used Windows and openssh, I had a problem in that jaws would speak my password as I typed it in. I wrote a jaws script to stop that. I don't know if it would still work but here it is:
http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/pub/program.jss
On 08/27/2015 05:34 AM, Jen Bottom wrote:
I have OpensSH installed on a Windows box at work and that works fine for connecting to other machines.
I use a 'config' file in my user's '.ssh' directory for managing keys etc.
I think iti came with GitBash, but you might well be able to get it via Chocolaty, if you kike that sort of package manager, or just download it from the net.
I used to use Putty for connecting in when working at home, but I found it a lot of faff. Give me a nice config file any day :)
Hope this helps, Jen!
On 8/24/15, Chris Nestrud <ccn@chrisnestrud.com> wrote:
Emphasis on the simple--they don't provide the insert-q info.
If you press ctrl-shft-r, they should toggle between reading and ignoring incoming text.
The scripts are named "ssh" because that is what JFW is expecting for this program.
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> On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> > wrote: > > Chris: > > I downloaded your scripts and SecureCRT, but have a > question/problem. > All the scripts are for ssh, but the SecureCRT program isn't called > that. How do I know they're in service, especially since I didn't > find > any I didn't find any ScriptFileName function, so I put one in, and > when I press JAWS Key Q, JAWS tells me I'm running the default > scripts. > >> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:57:11 -0500, you wrote: >> >> I use Secure CRT and some very simple JAWS scripts for screen echo >> that I >> wrote and >> placed here: >> >> http://chrisnestrud.com/projects/jfw/scrt >> >> Chris >> >>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:33:21PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote: >>> I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't bad >>> with >>> the >>> simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the net >>> until >>> you >>> try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I >>> think we >>> probably have to find a different way to edit files on the remote >>> machine >>> though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to >>> work >>> good. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" >>> <sm@noisynotes.com> >>> To: "Blind sysadmins list" >>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>> >>> >>> That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that >>> mess. >>> TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with >>> PUTTY. >>> >>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote: >>>> >>>> Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed >>>> >>>> -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >>>> Fr?n: Blind-sysadmins >>>> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] F?r >>>> Steve >>>> Matzura >>>> Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 >>>> Till: Blind sysadmins list >>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>> ?mne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>> >>>> How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, and >>>> found >>>> I >>>> have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the other >>>> system. >>>> >>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, >>>>> Secure >>>>> CRT >>>>> is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is >>>>> very >>>>> good >>>>> though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including >>>>> serial. >>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a >>>>>> simple >>>>>> JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances >>>>>> which >>>>>> make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with >>>>>> it. >>>>>> Soon >>>>>> as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll >>>>>> probably >>>>>> ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something >>>>>> better, or >>>>>> something that can be changed in the script I have for it, I'm >>>>>> all >>>>>> about trying it. >>>>>> >>>>>> TIA >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
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I don't use earbuds at work. I use the larger headphones with the foam pads. This way I don't have to put them over my ears, but just on the upper portion leaving the canals open. It is like the pour version of bone conduction headphones. BTW, the wired Aftershokz bone conduction headphones work very nicely with synthesized speech. Vic -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Brent Harding Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 12:02 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones (was: teraterm) I imagine it's probably OK as long as we don't have to turn it up very loud to get it over other noise in the environment. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Granados" <scott@granados-llc.net> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones (was: teraterm)
What?
Speak louder!
:)
So that’s funny but we are very similar on this front. However, I definitely have lost hearing a lot of hearing at that. Lots of loud music, loud audio and for extended periods of time, probably 16+ hours per day for what 30 years or so? I was in the music game before network engineering and really blew out a lot of my hearing then mixing live shows and working in the studio. As you know your ears lose sensitivity over time so after say a 20 hour recording session you would find that you start the day at a nice low sound pressure level and by the end of the day you could drown out jet engines.:)
I do the same thing though now. I don’t like wearing a headset on both ears in the office because I can’t hear people walking up on me or standing outside my cube. I leave the cans on over my left ear and leave the right ear open to hear the environment around me.
You’re smart though being careful with your hearing. I was definitely the opposite of that and while I don’t regret a thing about it I know I have damaged my hearing pretty significantly.
Broadcasters run in to this a lot. Rush Limbaugh has an implant to restore his hearing from what I remember and it’s attributed to wearing headphones for an extended period at elevated levels.
On Aug 27, 2015, at 12:18 PM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
I'd prefer not to wear headphones because I figure that can't be good for your hearing. I know there are studies that show that listening to loud music with headphones damages your hearing. I am unaware of any studies that show that listening to speech at a normal level damages your hearing. But why take the chance?
Having said that though, I am wearing a headset right now. I don't want my co-workers listening over my shoulder as it were. I know they'd prefer not to listen but I figure sometimes they can't help it. It's not just that I don't want them knowing my business. I'm not going to listen to porn or anything. But if I'm struggling with something, I don't want them over hearing.
I've compromised on wearing my headset over just one ear. I always use my left ear so if I lose hearing in that ear, it will probably be because of the headset.
On 08/27/2015 10:07 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
That would be a fine thing if someone compromised a machine because they over heard a password on a screen reader. Wow! Imagine that one. I’ve never thought about it much but that’s a pretty big risk. I always use headphones which is probably why I never thought about it but if someone really wanted to they could probably pick up the signal from my cans.
Well
On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:04 AM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
I've been a linux user for a while now but when I used Windows and openssh, I had a problem in that jaws would speak my password as I typed it in. I wrote a jaws script to stop that. I don't know if it would still work but here it is:
http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/pub/program.jss
On 08/27/2015 05:34 AM, Jen Bottom wrote:
I have OpensSH installed on a Windows box at work and that works fine for connecting to other machines.
I use a 'config' file in my user's '.ssh' directory for managing keys etc.
I think iti came with GitBash, but you might well be able to get it via Chocolaty, if you kike that sort of package manager, or just download it from the net.
I used to use Putty for connecting in when working at home, but I found it a lot of faff. Give me a nice config file any day :)
Hope this helps, Jen!
On 8/24/15, Chris Nestrud <ccn@chrisnestrud.com> wrote:
Emphasis on the simple--they don't provide the insert-q info.
If you press ctrl-shft-r, they should toggle between reading and ignoring incoming text.
The scripts are named "ssh" because that is what JFW is expecting for this program.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> > wrote: > > Chris: > > I downloaded your scripts and SecureCRT, but have a > question/problem. > All the scripts are for ssh, but the SecureCRT program isn't called > that. How do I know they're in service, especially since I didn't > find > any I didn't find any ScriptFileName function, so I put one in, and > when I press JAWS Key Q, JAWS tells me I'm running the default > scripts. > >> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:57:11 -0500, you wrote: >> >> I use Secure CRT and some very simple JAWS scripts for screen echo >> that I >> wrote and >> placed here: >> >> http://chrisnestrud.com/projects/jfw/scrt >> >> Chris >> >>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:33:21PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote: >>> I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't bad >>> with >>> the >>> simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the net >>> until >>> you >>> try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I >>> think we >>> probably have to find a different way to edit files on the remote >>> machine >>> though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to >>> work >>> good. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" >>> <sm@noisynotes.com> >>> To: "Blind sysadmins list" >>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>> >>> >>> That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that >>> mess. >>> TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with >>> PUTTY. >>> >>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote: >>>> >>>> Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed >>>> >>>> -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >>>> Fr?n: Blind-sysadmins >>>> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] F?r >>>> Steve >>>> Matzura >>>> Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 >>>> Till: Blind sysadmins list >>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>> ?mne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>> >>>> How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, and >>>> found >>>> I >>>> have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the other >>>> system. >>>> >>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, >>>>> Secure >>>>> CRT >>>>> is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is >>>>> very >>>>> good >>>>> though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including >>>>> serial. >>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a >>>>>> simple >>>>>> JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances >>>>>> which >>>>>> make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with >>>>>> it. >>>>>> Soon >>>>>> as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll >>>>>> probably >>>>>> ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something >>>>>> better, or >>>>>> something that can be changed in the script I have for it, I'm >>>>>> all >>>>>> about trying it. >>>>>> >>>>>> TIA >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
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Hi everybody, I have switched to using bone conduction headphones which sound amazingly good. Using this style of headphone keeps both ears open so even if walking outside, I can hear things in the environment. I also use on the ear hadphones with in-line volume control which helps with the hearing problem. The open ear headphones are Aftershockz 3. I like using them even when I am taking notes in class. Greg B. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Brent Harding Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 1:02 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones (was: teraterm) I imagine it's probably OK as long as we don't have to turn it up very loud to get it over other noise in the environment. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Granados" <scott@granados-llc.net> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones (was: teraterm)
What?
Speak louder!
:)
So that’s funny but we are very similar on this front. However, I definitely have lost hearing a lot of hearing at that. Lots of loud music, loud audio and for extended periods of time, probably 16+ hours per day for what 30 years or so? I was in the music game before network engineering and really blew out a lot of my hearing then mixing live shows and working in the studio. As you know your ears lose sensitivity over time so after say a 20 hour recording session you would find that you start the day at a nice low sound pressure level and by the end of the day you could drown out jet engines.:)
I do the same thing though now. I don’t like wearing a headset on both ears in the office because I can’t hear people walking up on me or standing outside my cube. I leave the cans on over my left ear and leave the right ear open to hear the environment around me.
You’re smart though being careful with your hearing. I was definitely the opposite of that and while I don’t regret a thing about it I know I have damaged my hearing pretty significantly.
Broadcasters run in to this a lot. Rush Limbaugh has an implant to restore his hearing from what I remember and it’s attributed to wearing headphones for an extended period at elevated levels.
On Aug 27, 2015, at 12:18 PM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
I'd prefer not to wear headphones because I figure that can't be good for your hearing. I know there are studies that show that listening to loud music with headphones damages your hearing. I am unaware of any studies that show that listening to speech at a normal level damages your hearing. But why take the chance?
Having said that though, I am wearing a headset right now. I don't want my co-workers listening over my shoulder as it were. I know they'd prefer not to listen but I figure sometimes they can't help it. It's not just that I don't want them knowing my business. I'm not going to listen to porn or anything. But if I'm struggling with something, I don't want them over hearing.
I've compromised on wearing my headset over just one ear. I always use my left ear so if I lose hearing in that ear, it will probably be because of the headset.
On 08/27/2015 10:07 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
That would be a fine thing if someone compromised a machine because they over heard a password on a screen reader. Wow! Imagine that one. I’ve never thought about it much but that’s a pretty big risk. I always use headphones which is probably why I never thought about it but if someone really wanted to they could probably pick up the signal from my cans.
Well
On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:04 AM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
I've been a linux user for a while now but when I used Windows and openssh, I had a problem in that jaws would speak my password as I typed it in. I wrote a jaws script to stop that. I don't know if it would still work but here it is:
http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/pub/program.jss
On 08/27/2015 05:34 AM, Jen Bottom wrote:
I have OpensSH installed on a Windows box at work and that works fine for connecting to other machines.
I use a 'config' file in my user's '.ssh' directory for managing keys etc.
I think iti came with GitBash, but you might well be able to get it via Chocolaty, if you kike that sort of package manager, or just download it from the net.
I used to use Putty for connecting in when working at home, but I found it a lot of faff. Give me a nice config file any day :)
Hope this helps, Jen!
On 8/24/15, Chris Nestrud <ccn@chrisnestrud.com> wrote:
Emphasis on the simple--they don't provide the insert-q info.
If you press ctrl-shft-r, they should toggle between reading and ignoring incoming text.
The scripts are named "ssh" because that is what JFW is expecting for this program.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> > wrote: > > Chris: > > I downloaded your scripts and SecureCRT, but have a > question/problem. > All the scripts are for ssh, but the SecureCRT program isn't called > that. How do I know they're in service, especially since I didn't > find > any I didn't find any ScriptFileName function, so I put one in, and > when I press JAWS Key Q, JAWS tells me I'm running the default > scripts. > >> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:57:11 -0500, you wrote: >> >> I use Secure CRT and some very simple JAWS scripts for screen echo >> that I >> wrote and >> placed here: >> >> http://chrisnestrud.com/projects/jfw/scrt >> >> Chris >> >>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:33:21PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote: >>> I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't bad >>> with >>> the >>> simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the net >>> until >>> you >>> try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I >>> think we >>> probably have to find a different way to edit files on the remote >>> machine >>> though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to >>> work >>> good. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" >>> <sm@noisynotes.com> >>> To: "Blind sysadmins list" >>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>> >>> >>> That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that >>> mess. >>> TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with >>> PUTTY. >>> >>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote: >>>> >>>> Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed >>>> >>>> -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >>>> Fr?n: Blind-sysadmins >>>> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] F?r >>>> Steve >>>> Matzura >>>> Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 >>>> Till: Blind sysadmins list >>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>> ?mne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>> >>>> How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, and >>>> found >>>> I >>>> have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the other >>>> system. >>>> >>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, >>>>> Secure >>>>> CRT >>>>> is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is >>>>> very >>>>> good >>>>> though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including >>>>> serial. >>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a >>>>>> simple >>>>>> JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances >>>>>> which >>>>>> make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with >>>>>> it. >>>>>> Soon >>>>>> as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll >>>>>> probably >>>>>> ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something >>>>>> better, or >>>>>> something that can be changed in the script I have for it, I'm >>>>>> all >>>>>> about trying it. >>>>>> >>>>>> TIA >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
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Agree with Vic, I use Aftershocks at home and may consider getting a set for work. TBH though I think that perhaps the noise in my office would be worse for my ears than the speech :) Personally even if using ear phones, I would not recommend anyone use something that is going to speak a password out loud, sound leakage etc. I think I actually used to have that problem with Putty and either Jaws or NVDA, but that was about 7 years ago and I don't use Putty any more. Cheers, Jen. On 8/28/15, Greg B. <gbobo@woh.rr.com> wrote:
Hi everybody,
I have switched to using bone conduction headphones which sound amazingly good. Using this style of headphone keeps both ears open so even if walking outside, I can hear things in the environment. I also use on the ear hadphones with in-line volume control which helps with the hearing problem. The open ear headphones are Aftershockz 3. I like using them even when I am taking notes in class.
Greg B.
-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Brent Harding Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 1:02 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones (was: teraterm)
I imagine it's probably OK as long as we don't have to turn it up very loud to get it over other noise in the environment.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Granados" <scott@granados-llc.net> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones (was: teraterm)
What?
Speak louder!
:)
So that’s funny but we are very similar on this front. However, I definitely have lost hearing a lot of hearing at that. Lots of loud music, loud audio and for extended periods of time, probably 16+ hours per
day for what 30 years or so? I was in the music game before network engineering and really blew out a lot of my hearing then mixing live shows
and working in the studio. As you know your ears lose sensitivity over time so after say a 20 hour recording session you would find that you start the day at a nice low sound pressure level and by the end of the day
you could drown out jet engines.:)
I do the same thing though now. I don’t like wearing a headset on both ears in the office because I can’t hear people walking up on me or standing outside my cube. I leave the cans on over my left ear and leave the right ear open to hear the environment around me.
You’re smart though being careful with your hearing. I was definitely the
opposite of that and while I don’t regret a thing about it I know I have damaged my hearing pretty significantly.
Broadcasters run in to this a lot. Rush Limbaugh has an implant to restore his hearing from what I remember and it’s attributed to wearing headphones for an extended period at elevated levels.
On Aug 27, 2015, at 12:18 PM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
I'd prefer not to wear headphones because I figure that can't be good for
your hearing. I know there are studies that show that listening to loud music with headphones damages your hearing. I am unaware of any studies that show that listening to speech at a normal level damages your hearing. But why take the chance?
Having said that though, I am wearing a headset right now. I don't want my co-workers listening over my shoulder as it were. I know they'd prefer
not to listen but I figure sometimes they can't help it. It's not just that I don't want them knowing my business. I'm not going to listen to porn or anything. But if I'm struggling with something, I don't want them
over hearing.
I've compromised on wearing my headset over just one ear. I always use my
left ear so if I lose hearing in that ear, it will probably be because of
the headset.
On 08/27/2015 10:07 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
That would be a fine thing if someone compromised a machine because they
over heard a password on a screen reader. Wow! Imagine that one. I’ve never thought about it much but that’s a pretty big risk. I always use headphones which is probably why I never thought about it but if someone
really wanted to they could probably pick up the signal from my cans.
Well
On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:04 AM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
I've been a linux user for a while now but when I used Windows and openssh, I had a problem in that jaws would speak my password as I typed it in. I wrote a jaws script to stop that. I don't know if it would still work but here it is:
http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/pub/program.jss
On 08/27/2015 05:34 AM, Jen Bottom wrote:
I have OpensSH installed on a Windows box at work and that works fine for connecting to other machines.
I use a 'config' file in my user's '.ssh' directory for managing keys etc.
I think iti came with GitBash, but you might well be able to get it via Chocolaty, if you kike that sort of package manager, or just download it from the net.
I used to use Putty for connecting in when working at home, but I found it a lot of faff. Give me a nice config file any day :)
Hope this helps, Jen!
On 8/24/15, Chris Nestrud <ccn@chrisnestrud.com> wrote: > Emphasis on the simple--they don't provide the insert-q info. > > If you press ctrl-shft-r, they should toggle between reading and > ignoring > incoming text. > > The scripts are named "ssh" because that is what JFW is expecting for > > this > program. > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >> wrote: >> >> Chris: >> >> I downloaded your scripts and SecureCRT, but have a >> question/problem. >> All the scripts are for ssh, but the SecureCRT program isn't called >> that. How do I know they're in service, especially since I didn't >> find >> any I didn't find any ScriptFileName function, so I put one in, and >> when I press JAWS Key Q, JAWS tells me I'm running the default >> scripts. >> >>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:57:11 -0500, you wrote: >>> >>> I use Secure CRT and some very simple JAWS scripts for screen echo >>> that I >>> wrote and >>> placed here: >>> >>> http://chrisnestrud.com/projects/jfw/scrt >>> >>> Chris >>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:33:21PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote: >>>> I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't bad >>>> with >>>> the >>>> simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the net >>>> >>>> until >>>> you >>>> try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I >>>> think we >>>> probably have to find a different way to edit files on the remote >>>> machine >>>> though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to >>>> work >>>> good. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" >>>> <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>> To: "Blind sysadmins list" >>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>> >>>> >>>> That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that >>>> mess. >>>> TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with >>>> PUTTY. >>>> >>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed >>>>> >>>>> -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >>>>> Fr?n: Blind-sysadmins >>>>> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] F?r >>>>> Steve >>>>> Matzura >>>>> Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 >>>>> Till: Blind sysadmins list >>>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>>> ?mne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>>> >>>>> How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, and >>>>> >>>>> found >>>>> I >>>>> have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the other >>>>> system. >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, >>>>>> Secure >>>>>> CRT >>>>>> is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is >>>>>> very >>>>>> good >>>>>> though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including >>>>>> serial. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a >>>>>>> simple >>>>>>> JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances >>>>>>> which >>>>>>> make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with >>>>>>> it. >>>>>>> Soon >>>>>>> as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll >>>>>>> probably >>>>>>> ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something >>>>>>> better, or >>>>>>> something that can be changed in the script I have for it, I'm >>>>>>> all >>>>>>> about trying it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> TIA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >
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Agree with Vic, I use Aftershocks at home and may consider getting a set for work. TBH though I think that perhaps the noise in my office would be worse for my ears than the speech :) Personally even if using ear phones, I would not recommend anyone use something that is going to speak a password out loud, sound leakage etc. I think I actually used to have that problem with Putty and either Jaws or NVDA, but that was about 7 years ago and I don't use Putty any more. Cheers, Jen. On 8/28/15, Greg B. <gbobo@woh.rr.com> wrote:
Hi everybody,
I have switched to using bone conduction headphones which sound amazingly good. Using this style of headphone keeps both ears open so even if walking outside, I can hear things in the environment. I also use on the ear hadphones with in-line volume control which helps with the hearing problem. The open ear headphones are Aftershockz 3. I like using them even when I am taking notes in class.
Greg B.
-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Brent Harding Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 1:02 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones (was: teraterm)
I imagine it's probably OK as long as we don't have to turn it up very loud to get it over other noise in the environment.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Granados" <scott@granados-llc.net> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones (was: teraterm)
What?
Speak louder!
:)
So that’s funny but we are very similar on this front. However, I definitely have lost hearing a lot of hearing at that. Lots of loud music, loud audio and for extended periods of time, probably 16+ hours per
day for what 30 years or so? I was in the music game before network engineering and really blew out a lot of my hearing then mixing live shows
and working in the studio. As you know your ears lose sensitivity over time so after say a 20 hour recording session you would find that you start the day at a nice low sound pressure level and by the end of the day
you could drown out jet engines.:)
I do the same thing though now. I don’t like wearing a headset on both ears in the office because I can’t hear people walking up on me or standing outside my cube. I leave the cans on over my left ear and leave the right ear open to hear the environment around me.
You’re smart though being careful with your hearing. I was definitely the
opposite of that and while I don’t regret a thing about it I know I have damaged my hearing pretty significantly.
Broadcasters run in to this a lot. Rush Limbaugh has an implant to restore his hearing from what I remember and it’s attributed to wearing headphones for an extended period at elevated levels.
On Aug 27, 2015, at 12:18 PM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
I'd prefer not to wear headphones because I figure that can't be good for
your hearing. I know there are studies that show that listening to loud music with headphones damages your hearing. I am unaware of any studies that show that listening to speech at a normal level damages your hearing. But why take the chance?
Having said that though, I am wearing a headset right now. I don't want my co-workers listening over my shoulder as it were. I know they'd prefer
not to listen but I figure sometimes they can't help it. It's not just that I don't want them knowing my business. I'm not going to listen to porn or anything. But if I'm struggling with something, I don't want them
over hearing.
I've compromised on wearing my headset over just one ear. I always use my
left ear so if I lose hearing in that ear, it will probably be because of
the headset.
On 08/27/2015 10:07 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
That would be a fine thing if someone compromised a machine because they
over heard a password on a screen reader. Wow! Imagine that one. I’ve never thought about it much but that’s a pretty big risk. I always use headphones which is probably why I never thought about it but if someone
really wanted to they could probably pick up the signal from my cans.
Well
On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:04 AM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
I've been a linux user for a while now but when I used Windows and openssh, I had a problem in that jaws would speak my password as I typed it in. I wrote a jaws script to stop that. I don't know if it would still work but here it is:
http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/pub/program.jss
On 08/27/2015 05:34 AM, Jen Bottom wrote:
I have OpensSH installed on a Windows box at work and that works fine for connecting to other machines.
I use a 'config' file in my user's '.ssh' directory for managing keys etc.
I think iti came with GitBash, but you might well be able to get it via Chocolaty, if you kike that sort of package manager, or just download it from the net.
I used to use Putty for connecting in when working at home, but I found it a lot of faff. Give me a nice config file any day :)
Hope this helps, Jen!
On 8/24/15, Chris Nestrud <ccn@chrisnestrud.com> wrote: > Emphasis on the simple--they don't provide the insert-q info. > > If you press ctrl-shft-r, they should toggle between reading and > ignoring > incoming text. > > The scripts are named "ssh" because that is what JFW is expecting for > > this > program. > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >> wrote: >> >> Chris: >> >> I downloaded your scripts and SecureCRT, but have a >> question/problem. >> All the scripts are for ssh, but the SecureCRT program isn't called >> that. How do I know they're in service, especially since I didn't >> find >> any I didn't find any ScriptFileName function, so I put one in, and >> when I press JAWS Key Q, JAWS tells me I'm running the default >> scripts. >> >>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:57:11 -0500, you wrote: >>> >>> I use Secure CRT and some very simple JAWS scripts for screen echo >>> that I >>> wrote and >>> placed here: >>> >>> http://chrisnestrud.com/projects/jfw/scrt >>> >>> Chris >>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:33:21PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote: >>>> I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't bad >>>> with >>>> the >>>> simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the net >>>> >>>> until >>>> you >>>> try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I >>>> think we >>>> probably have to find a different way to edit files on the remote >>>> machine >>>> though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to >>>> work >>>> good. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" >>>> <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>> To: "Blind sysadmins list" >>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>> >>>> >>>> That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that >>>> mess. >>>> TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with >>>> PUTTY. >>>> >>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed >>>>> >>>>> -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >>>>> Fr?n: Blind-sysadmins >>>>> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] F?r >>>>> Steve >>>>> Matzura >>>>> Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 >>>>> Till: Blind sysadmins list >>>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>>> ?mne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>>> >>>>> How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, and >>>>> >>>>> found >>>>> I >>>>> have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the other >>>>> system. >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, >>>>>> Secure >>>>>> CRT >>>>>> is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is >>>>>> very >>>>>> good >>>>>> though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including >>>>>> serial. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a >>>>>>> simple >>>>>>> JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances >>>>>>> which >>>>>>> make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with >>>>>>> it. >>>>>>> Soon >>>>>>> as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll >>>>>>> probably >>>>>>> ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something >>>>>>> better, or >>>>>>> something that can be changed in the script I have for it, I'm >>>>>>> all >>>>>>> about trying it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> TIA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >
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There's quite a lot of sound leakage with the aftershockz. I find that when really focusing on a screen reader I cant let myself hear external noises. I generally use a pair of Boes noise cancelling ear phones. It helps me really focus on what I'm doing. I assume it's like someone writing a document in distraction free or full screen mode. All the other flashy buttons go away so you can get things done without distractions. I'm actually sitting in Starbucks now while my wife is off shopping. Enjoying a reasonably nice coffee while catching up on some work. It's noisy in here but I'm oblivious at the moment. It's meant to be my day off but.. our VPN went down today so looks like there's no rest for the wicked. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Jen Bottom Sent: Friday 28 August 2015 10:35 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones (was: teraterm) Agree with Vic, I use Aftershocks at home and may consider getting a set for work. TBH though I think that perhaps the noise in my office would be worse for my ears than the speech :) Personally even if using ear phones, I would not recommend anyone use something that is going to speak a password out loud, sound leakage etc. I think I actually used to have that problem with Putty and either Jaws or NVDA, but that was about 7 years ago and I don't use Putty any more. Cheers, Jen. On 8/28/15, Greg B. <gbobo@woh.rr.com> wrote:
Hi everybody,
I have switched to using bone conduction headphones which sound amazingly good. Using this style of headphone keeps both ears open so even if walking outside, I can hear things in the environment. I also use on the ear hadphones with in-line volume control which helps with the hearing problem. The open ear headphones are Aftershockz 3. I like using them even when I am taking notes in class.
Greg B.
-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Brent Harding Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 1:02 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones (was: teraterm)
I imagine it's probably OK as long as we don't have to turn it up very loud to get it over other noise in the environment.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Granados" <scott@granados-llc.net> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones (was: teraterm)
What?
Speak louder!
:)
So that’s funny but we are very similar on this front. However, I definitely have lost hearing a lot of hearing at that. Lots of loud music, loud audio and for extended periods of time, probably 16+ hours per
day for what 30 years or so? I was in the music game before network engineering and really blew out a lot of my hearing then mixing live shows
and working in the studio. As you know your ears lose sensitivity over time so after say a 20 hour recording session you would find that you start the day at a nice low sound pressure level and by the end of the day
you could drown out jet engines.:)
I do the same thing though now. I don’t like wearing a headset on both ears in the office because I can’t hear people walking up on me or standing outside my cube. I leave the cans on over my left ear and leave the right ear open to hear the environment around me.
You’re smart though being careful with your hearing. I was definitely the
opposite of that and while I don’t regret a thing about it I know I have damaged my hearing pretty significantly.
Broadcasters run in to this a lot. Rush Limbaugh has an implant to restore his hearing from what I remember and it’s attributed to wearing headphones for an extended period at elevated levels.
On Aug 27, 2015, at 12:18 PM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
I'd prefer not to wear headphones because I figure that can't be good for
your hearing. I know there are studies that show that listening to loud music with headphones damages your hearing. I am unaware of any studies that show that listening to speech at a normal level damages your hearing. But why take the chance?
Having said that though, I am wearing a headset right now. I don't want my co-workers listening over my shoulder as it were. I know they'd prefer
not to listen but I figure sometimes they can't help it. It's not just that I don't want them knowing my business. I'm not going to listen to porn or anything. But if I'm struggling with something, I don't want them
over hearing.
I've compromised on wearing my headset over just one ear. I always use my
left ear so if I lose hearing in that ear, it will probably be because of
the headset.
On 08/27/2015 10:07 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
That would be a fine thing if someone compromised a machine because they
over heard a password on a screen reader. Wow! Imagine that one. I’ve never thought about it much but that’s a pretty big risk. I always use headphones which is probably why I never thought about it but if someone
really wanted to they could probably pick up the signal from my cans.
Well
On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:04 AM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
I've been a linux user for a while now but when I used Windows and openssh, I had a problem in that jaws would speak my password as I typed it in. I wrote a jaws script to stop that. I don't know if it would still work but here it is:
http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/pub/program.jss
On 08/27/2015 05:34 AM, Jen Bottom wrote:
I have OpensSH installed on a Windows box at work and that works fine for connecting to other machines.
I use a 'config' file in my user's '.ssh' directory for managing keys etc.
I think iti came with GitBash, but you might well be able to get it via Chocolaty, if you kike that sort of package manager, or just download it from the net.
I used to use Putty for connecting in when working at home, but I found it a lot of faff. Give me a nice config file any day :)
Hope this helps, Jen!
On 8/24/15, Chris Nestrud <ccn@chrisnestrud.com> wrote: > Emphasis on the simple--they don't provide the insert-q info. > > If you press ctrl-shft-r, they should toggle between reading and > ignoring incoming text. > > The scripts are named "ssh" because that is what JFW is > expecting for > > this > program. > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >> wrote: >> >> Chris: >> >> I downloaded your scripts and SecureCRT, but have a >> question/problem. >> All the scripts are for ssh, but the SecureCRT program isn't >> called that. How do I know they're in service, especially since >> I didn't find any I didn't find any ScriptFileName function, so >> I put one in, and when I press JAWS Key Q, JAWS tells me I'm >> running the default scripts. >> >>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:57:11 -0500, you wrote: >>> >>> I use Secure CRT and some very simple JAWS scripts for screen >>> echo that I wrote and placed here: >>> >>> http://chrisnestrud.com/projects/jfw/scrt >>> >>> Chris >>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:33:21PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote: >>>> I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't >>>> bad with the simple modification I found on one of the Cavi >>>> archives on the net >>>> >>>> until >>>> you >>>> try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I >>>> think we probably have to find a different way to edit files >>>> on the remote machine though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 >>>> forever just for TT to work good. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" >>>> <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>> To: "Blind sysadmins list" >>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>> >>>> >>>> That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from >>>> that mess. >>>> TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with >>>> PUTTY. >>>> >>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed >>>>> >>>>> -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >>>>> Fr?n: Blind-sysadmins >>>>> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] F?r >>>>> Steve Matzura >>>>> Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 >>>>> Till: Blind sysadmins list >>>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>>> ?mne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>>> >>>>> How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried >>>>> it, and >>>>> >>>>> found >>>>> I >>>>> have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the >>>>> other system. >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, >>>>>> Secure CRT is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with >>>>>> it. Putty is very good though, supports ssh and lots of >>>>>> other protocols including serial. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura >>>>>>> <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's >>>>>>> a simple JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and >>>>>>> annoyances which make me wonder sometimes how I get >>>>>>> anything at all done with it. >>>>>>> Soon >>>>>>> as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll >>>>>>> probably ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's >>>>>>> something better, or something that can be changed in the >>>>>>> script I have for it, I'm all about trying it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> TIA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >
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I would think that noise cancelling headphones would be better for your hearing than regular ones. It's possible it's the other way around though. Those things work by generating sound waves to cancel out the sound waves from the environment. Technically, there is more noise, not less. It's just that you can't perceive it. I poked around for information on whether noise cancelling headphones are better or worse for preventing hearing loss but found nothing. The closest I came was an obsolete article on the Consumer Reports web site that said noise cancelling headphones prevent hearing loss because they allow you to avoid turning up the volume in noisy situations. I had to read that article from the google cache because the link to it gave a 404 error. I also found some stuff indicating that the Occupational Health and Safety Administration (OSHA) does not have any regulations regarding noise cancelling headphones. At first I figured this was a bad sign because if you could use noise cancellation technology to save your hearing, OSHA would madate it's use. But if you wear noise cancelling headphones, you aren't going to hear people yelling warnings at you, for example so OSHA is not going to recommend them. Well, all that means is that OSHA's neutrality on the use of noise cancelling headphones is not a data point in terms of preventing hearing loss -- which is what I am mostly interested in. On 08/28/2015 07:35 AM, Darragh Ó Héiligh wrote:
There's quite a lot of sound leakage with the aftershockz.
I find that when really focusing on a screen reader I cant let myself hear external noises. I generally use a pair of Boes noise cancelling ear phones. It helps me really focus on what I'm doing. I assume it's like someone writing a document in distraction free or full screen mode. All the other flashy buttons go away so you can get things done without distractions.
I'm actually sitting in Starbucks now while my wife is off shopping. Enjoying a reasonably nice coffee while catching up on some work. It's noisy in here but I'm oblivious at the moment.
It's meant to be my day off but.. our VPN went down today so looks like there's no rest for the wicked.
-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Jen Bottom Sent: Friday 28 August 2015 10:35 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones (was: teraterm)
Agree with Vic,
I use Aftershocks at home and may consider getting a set for work.
TBH though I think that perhaps the noise in my office would be worse for my ears than the speech :)
Personally even if using ear phones, I would not recommend anyone use something that is going to speak a password out loud, sound leakage etc.
I think I actually used to have that problem with Putty and either Jaws or NVDA, but that was about 7 years ago and I don't use Putty any more.
Cheers, Jen.
On 8/28/15, Greg B. <gbobo@woh.rr.com> wrote:
Hi everybody,
I have switched to using bone conduction headphones which sound amazingly good. Using this style of headphone keeps both ears open so even if walking outside, I can hear things in the environment. I also use on the ear hadphones with in-line volume control which helps with the hearing problem. The open ear headphones are Aftershockz 3. I like using them even when I am taking notes in class.
Greg B.
-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Brent Harding Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 1:02 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones (was: teraterm)
I imagine it's probably OK as long as we don't have to turn it up very loud to get it over other noise in the environment.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Granados" <scott@granados-llc.net> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones (was: teraterm)
What?
Speak louder!
:)
So that’s funny but we are very similar on this front. However, I definitely have lost hearing a lot of hearing at that. Lots of loud music, loud audio and for extended periods of time, probably 16+ hours per
day for what 30 years or so? I was in the music game before network engineering and really blew out a lot of my hearing then mixing live shows
and working in the studio. As you know your ears lose sensitivity over time so after say a 20 hour recording session you would find that you start the day at a nice low sound pressure level and by the end of the day
you could drown out jet engines.:)
I do the same thing though now. I don’t like wearing a headset on both ears in the office because I can’t hear people walking up on me or standing outside my cube. I leave the cans on over my left ear and leave the right ear open to hear the environment around me.
You’re smart though being careful with your hearing. I was definitely the
opposite of that and while I don’t regret a thing about it I know I have damaged my hearing pretty significantly.
Broadcasters run in to this a lot. Rush Limbaugh has an implant to restore his hearing from what I remember and it’s attributed to wearing headphones for an extended period at elevated levels.
On Aug 27, 2015, at 12:18 PM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
I'd prefer not to wear headphones because I figure that can't be good for
your hearing. I know there are studies that show that listening to loud music with headphones damages your hearing. I am unaware of any studies that show that listening to speech at a normal level damages your hearing. But why take the chance?
Having said that though, I am wearing a headset right now. I don't want my co-workers listening over my shoulder as it were. I know they'd prefer
not to listen but I figure sometimes they can't help it. It's not just that I don't want them knowing my business. I'm not going to listen to porn or anything. But if I'm struggling with something, I don't want them
over hearing.
I've compromised on wearing my headset over just one ear. I always use my
left ear so if I lose hearing in that ear, it will probably be because of
the headset.
On 08/27/2015 10:07 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
That would be a fine thing if someone compromised a machine because they
over heard a password on a screen reader. Wow! Imagine that one. I’ve never thought about it much but that’s a pretty big risk. I always use headphones which is probably why I never thought about it but if someone
really wanted to they could probably pick up the signal from my cans.
Well
On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:04 AM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
I've been a linux user for a while now but when I used Windows and openssh, I had a problem in that jaws would speak my password as I typed it in. I wrote a jaws script to stop that. I don't know if it would still work but here it is:
http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/pub/program.jss
On 08/27/2015 05:34 AM, Jen Bottom wrote: > I have OpensSH installed on a Windows box at work and that works > fine for connecting to other machines. > > I use a 'config' file in my user's '.ssh' directory for managing > keys etc. > > I think iti came with GitBash, but you might well be able to get > it via Chocolaty, if you kike that sort of package manager, or > just download it from the net. > > I used to use Putty for connecting in when working at home, but I > found it a lot of faff. Give me a nice config file any day :) > > Hope this helps, > Jen! > > On 8/24/15, Chris Nestrud <ccn@chrisnestrud.com> wrote: >> Emphasis on the simple--they don't provide the insert-q info. >> >> If you press ctrl-shft-r, they should toggle between reading and >> ignoring incoming text. >> >> The scripts are named "ssh" because that is what JFW is >> expecting for >> >> this >> program. >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Chris: >>> >>> I downloaded your scripts and SecureCRT, but have a >>> question/problem. >>> All the scripts are for ssh, but the SecureCRT program isn't >>> called that. How do I know they're in service, especially since >>> I didn't find any I didn't find any ScriptFileName function, so >>> I put one in, and when I press JAWS Key Q, JAWS tells me I'm >>> running the default scripts. >>> >>>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:57:11 -0500, you wrote: >>>> >>>> I use Secure CRT and some very simple JAWS scripts for screen >>>> echo that I wrote and placed here: >>>> >>>> http://chrisnestrud.com/projects/jfw/scrt >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:33:21PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote: >>>>> I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't >>>>> bad with the simple modification I found on one of the Cavi >>>>> archives on the net >>>>> >>>>> until >>>>> you >>>>> try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I >>>>> think we probably have to find a different way to edit files >>>>> on the remote machine though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 >>>>> forever just for TT to work good. >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" >>>>> <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>> To: "Blind sysadmins list" >>>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from >>>>> that mess. >>>>> TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with >>>>> PUTTY. >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >>>>>> Fr?n: Blind-sysadmins >>>>>> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] F?r >>>>>> Steve Matzura >>>>>> Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 >>>>>> Till: Blind sysadmins list >>>>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>>>> ?mne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>>>> >>>>>> How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried >>>>>> it, and >>>>>> >>>>>> found >>>>>> I >>>>>> have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the >>>>>> other system. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, >>>>>>> Secure CRT is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with >>>>>>> it. Putty is very good though, supports ssh and lots of >>>>>>> other protocols including serial. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura >>>>>>>> <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's >>>>>>>> a simple JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and >>>>>>>> annoyances which make me wonder sometimes how I get >>>>>>>> anything at all done with it. >>>>>>>> Soon >>>>>>>> as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll >>>>>>>> probably ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's >>>>>>>> something better, or something that can be changed in the >>>>>>>> script I have for it, I'm all about trying it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> TIA >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >
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I use regular USB head phones. When plugged in to the USB port on your computer, they act as a second sound card. When using Jaws. I don't know about their use conjoined with other screen readers. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G Heim" <jheim@math.wisc.edu> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones
I would think that noise cancelling headphones would be better for your hearing than regular ones. It's possible it's the other way around though. Those things work by generating sound waves to cancel out the sound waves from the environment. Technically, there is more noise, not less. It's just that you can't perceive it. I poked around for information on whether noise cancelling headphones are better or worse for preventing hearing loss but found nothing. The closest I came was an obsolete article on the Consumer Reports web site that said noise cancelling headphones prevent hearing loss because they allow you to avoid turning up the volume in noisy situations. I had to read that article from the google cache because the link to it gave a 404 error.
I also found some stuff indicating that the Occupational Health and Safety Administration (OSHA) does not have any regulations regarding noise cancelling headphones. At first I figured this was a bad sign because if you could use noise cancellation technology to save your hearing, OSHA would madate it's use. But if you wear noise cancelling headphones, you aren't going to hear people yelling warnings at you, for example so OSHA is not going to recommend them. Well, all that means is that OSHA's neutrality on the use of noise cancelling headphones is not a data point in terms of preventing hearing loss -- which is what I am mostly interested in.
On 08/28/2015 07:35 AM, Darragh Ó Héiligh wrote:
There's quite a lot of sound leakage with the aftershockz.
I find that when really focusing on a screen reader I cant let myself hear external noises. I generally use a pair of Boes noise cancelling ear phones. It helps me really focus on what I'm doing. I assume it's like someone writing a document in distraction free or full screen mode. All the other flashy buttons go away so you can get things done without distractions.
I'm actually sitting in Starbucks now while my wife is off shopping. Enjoying a reasonably nice coffee while catching up on some work. It's noisy in here but I'm oblivious at the moment.
It's meant to be my day off but.. our VPN went down today so looks like there's no rest for the wicked.
-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Jen Bottom Sent: Friday 28 August 2015 10:35 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones (was: teraterm)
Agree with Vic,
I use Aftershocks at home and may consider getting a set for work.
TBH though I think that perhaps the noise in my office would be worse for my ears than the speech :)
Personally even if using ear phones, I would not recommend anyone use something that is going to speak a password out loud, sound leakage etc.
I think I actually used to have that problem with Putty and either Jaws or NVDA, but that was about 7 years ago and I don't use Putty any more.
Cheers, Jen.
On 8/28/15, Greg B. <gbobo@woh.rr.com> wrote:
Hi everybody,
I have switched to using bone conduction headphones which sound amazingly good. Using this style of headphone keeps both ears open so even if walking outside, I can hear things in the environment. I also use on the ear hadphones with in-line volume control which helps with the hearing problem. The open ear headphones are Aftershockz 3. I like using them even when I am taking notes in class.
Greg B.
-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Brent Harding Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 1:02 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones (was: teraterm)
I imagine it's probably OK as long as we don't have to turn it up very loud to get it over other noise in the environment.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Granados" <scott@granados-llc.net> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones (was: teraterm)
What?
Speak louder!
:)
So that’s funny but we are very similar on this front. However, I definitely have lost hearing a lot of hearing at that. Lots of loud music, loud audio and for extended periods of time, probably 16+ hours per
day for what 30 years or so? I was in the music game before network engineering and really blew out a lot of my hearing then mixing live shows
and working in the studio. As you know your ears lose sensitivity over time so after say a 20 hour recording session you would find that you start the day at a nice low sound pressure level and by the end of the day
you could drown out jet engines.:)
I do the same thing though now. I don’t like wearing a headset on both ears in the office because I can’t hear people walking up on me or standing outside my cube. I leave the cans on over my left ear and leave the right ear open to hear the environment around me.
You’re smart though being careful with your hearing. I was definitely the
opposite of that and while I don’t regret a thing about it I know I have damaged my hearing pretty significantly.
Broadcasters run in to this a lot. Rush Limbaugh has an implant to restore his hearing from what I remember and it’s attributed to wearing headphones for an extended period at elevated levels.
On Aug 27, 2015, at 12:18 PM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
I'd prefer not to wear headphones because I figure that can't be good for
your hearing. I know there are studies that show that listening to loud music with headphones damages your hearing. I am unaware of any studies that show that listening to speech at a normal level damages your hearing. But why take the chance?
Having said that though, I am wearing a headset right now. I don't want my co-workers listening over my shoulder as it were. I know they'd prefer
not to listen but I figure sometimes they can't help it. It's not just that I don't want them knowing my business. I'm not going to listen to porn or anything. But if I'm struggling with something, I don't want them
over hearing.
I've compromised on wearing my headset over just one ear. I always use my
left ear so if I lose hearing in that ear, it will probably be because of
the headset.
On 08/27/2015 10:07 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
That would be a fine thing if someone compromised a machine because they
over heard a password on a screen reader. Wow! Imagine that one. I’ve never thought about it much but that’s a pretty big risk. I always use headphones which is probably why I never thought about it but if someone
really wanted to they could probably pick up the signal from my cans.
Well > On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:04 AM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> > wrote: > > I've been a linux user for a while now but when I used Windows and > openssh, I had a problem in that jaws would speak my password as I > typed it in. I wrote a jaws script to stop that. I don't know if > it would still work but here it is: > > http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/pub/program.jss > > > On 08/27/2015 05:34 AM, Jen Bottom wrote: >> I have OpensSH installed on a Windows box at work and that works >> fine for connecting to other machines. >> >> I use a 'config' file in my user's '.ssh' directory for managing >> keys etc. >> >> I think iti came with GitBash, but you might well be able to get >> it via Chocolaty, if you kike that sort of package manager, or >> just download it from the net. >> >> I used to use Putty for connecting in when working at home, but I >> found it a lot of faff. Give me a nice config file any day :) >> >> Hope this helps, >> Jen! >> >> On 8/24/15, Chris Nestrud <ccn@chrisnestrud.com> wrote: >>> Emphasis on the simple--they don't provide the insert-q info. >>> >>> If you press ctrl-shft-r, they should toggle between reading and >>> ignoring incoming text. >>> >>> The scripts are named "ssh" because that is what JFW is >>> expecting for >>> >>> this >>> program. >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Chris: >>>> >>>> I downloaded your scripts and SecureCRT, but have a >>>> question/problem. >>>> All the scripts are for ssh, but the SecureCRT program isn't >>>> called that. How do I know they're in service, especially since >>>> I didn't find any I didn't find any ScriptFileName function, so >>>> I put one in, and when I press JAWS Key Q, JAWS tells me I'm >>>> running the default scripts. >>>> >>>>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:57:11 -0500, you wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I use Secure CRT and some very simple JAWS scripts for screen >>>>> echo that I wrote and placed here: >>>>> >>>>> http://chrisnestrud.com/projects/jfw/scrt >>>>> >>>>> Chris >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:33:21PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote: >>>>>> I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't >>>>>> bad with the simple modification I found on one of the Cavi >>>>>> archives on the net >>>>>> >>>>>> until >>>>>> you >>>>>> try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I >>>>>> think we probably have to find a different way to edit files >>>>>> on the remote machine though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 >>>>>> forever just for TT to work good. >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" >>>>>> <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>>> To: "Blind sysadmins list" >>>>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from >>>>>> that mess. >>>>>> TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with >>>>>> PUTTY. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >>>>>>> Fr?n: Blind-sysadmins >>>>>>> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] F?r >>>>>>> Steve Matzura >>>>>>> Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 >>>>>>> Till: Blind sysadmins list >>>>>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>>>>> ?mne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried >>>>>>> it, and >>>>>>> >>>>>>> found >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the >>>>>>> other system. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, >>>>>>>> Secure CRT is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with >>>>>>>> it. Putty is very good though, supports ssh and lots of >>>>>>>> other protocols including serial. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura >>>>>>>>> <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's >>>>>>>>> a simple JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and >>>>>>>>> annoyances which make me wonder sometimes how I get >>>>>>>>> anything at all done with it. >>>>>>>>> Soon >>>>>>>>> as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll >>>>>>>>> probably ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's >>>>>>>>> something better, or something that can be changed in the >>>>>>>>> script I have for it, I'm all about trying it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> TIA >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> > > -- > John Heim, jheim@math.wisc.edu, skype:john.g.heim > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
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I hate noise-cancelling headphones because they give me, at least, a false sense of my environment. They use noise to mask or counteract other noise in reverse phase, so you *know* that can't be good for you long-term. On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 09:07:25 -0500, you wrote:
I would think that noise cancelling headphones would be better for your hearing than regular ones. It's possible it's the other way around though. Those things work by generating sound waves to cancel out the sound waves from the environment. Technically, there is more noise, not less. It's just that you can't perceive it. I poked around for information on whether noise cancelling headphones are better or worse for preventing hearing loss but found nothing. The closest I came was an obsolete article on the Consumer Reports web site that said noise cancelling headphones prevent hearing loss because they allow you to avoid turning up the volume in noisy situations. I had to read that article from the google cache because the link to it gave a 404 error.
I also found some stuff indicating that the Occupational Health and Safety Administration (OSHA) does not have any regulations regarding noise cancelling headphones. At first I figured this was a bad sign because if you could use noise cancellation technology to save your hearing, OSHA would madate it's use. But if you wear noise cancelling headphones, you aren't going to hear people yelling warnings at you, for example so OSHA is not going to recommend them. Well, all that means is that OSHA's neutrality on the use of noise cancelling headphones is not a data point in terms of preventing hearing loss -- which is what I am mostly interested in.
On 08/28/2015 07:35 AM, Darragh Ó Héiligh wrote:
There's quite a lot of sound leakage with the aftershockz.
I find that when really focusing on a screen reader I cant let myself hear external noises. I generally use a pair of Boes noise cancelling ear phones. It helps me really focus on what I'm doing. I assume it's like someone writing a document in distraction free or full screen mode. All the other flashy buttons go away so you can get things done without distractions.
I'm actually sitting in Starbucks now while my wife is off shopping. Enjoying a reasonably nice coffee while catching up on some work. It's noisy in here but I'm oblivious at the moment.
It's meant to be my day off but.. our VPN went down today so looks like there's no rest for the wicked.
-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Jen Bottom Sent: Friday 28 August 2015 10:35 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones (was: teraterm)
Agree with Vic,
I use Aftershocks at home and may consider getting a set for work.
TBH though I think that perhaps the noise in my office would be worse for my ears than the speech :)
Personally even if using ear phones, I would not recommend anyone use something that is going to speak a password out loud, sound leakage etc.
I think I actually used to have that problem with Putty and either Jaws or NVDA, but that was about 7 years ago and I don't use Putty any more.
Cheers, Jen.
On 8/28/15, Greg B. <gbobo@woh.rr.com> wrote:
Hi everybody,
I have switched to using bone conduction headphones which sound amazingly good. Using this style of headphone keeps both ears open so even if walking outside, I can hear things in the environment. I also use on the ear hadphones with in-line volume control which helps with the hearing problem. The open ear headphones are Aftershockz 3. I like using them even when I am taking notes in class.
Greg B.
-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Brent Harding Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 1:02 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones (was: teraterm)
I imagine it's probably OK as long as we don't have to turn it up very loud to get it over other noise in the environment.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Granados" <scott@granados-llc.net> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones (was: teraterm)
What?
Speak louder!
:)
So thats funny but we are very similar on this front. However, I definitely have lost hearing a lot of hearing at that. Lots of loud music, loud audio and for extended periods of time, probably 16+ hours per
day for what 30 years or so? I was in the music game before network engineering and really blew out a lot of my hearing then mixing live shows
and working in the studio. As you know your ears lose sensitivity over time so after say a 20 hour recording session you would find that you start the day at a nice low sound pressure level and by the end of the day
you could drown out jet engines.:)
I do the same thing though now. I dont like wearing a headset on both ears in the office because I cant hear people walking up on me or standing outside my cube. I leave the cans on over my left ear and leave the right ear open to hear the environment around me.
Youre smart though being careful with your hearing. I was definitely the
opposite of that and while I dont regret a thing about it I know I have damaged my hearing pretty significantly.
Broadcasters run in to this a lot. Rush Limbaugh has an implant to restore his hearing from what I remember and its attributed to wearing headphones for an extended period at elevated levels.
On Aug 27, 2015, at 12:18 PM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
I'd prefer not to wear headphones because I figure that can't be good for
your hearing. I know there are studies that show that listening to loud music with headphones damages your hearing. I am unaware of any studies that show that listening to speech at a normal level damages your hearing. But why take the chance?
Having said that though, I am wearing a headset right now. I don't want my co-workers listening over my shoulder as it were. I know they'd prefer
not to listen but I figure sometimes they can't help it. It's not just that I don't want them knowing my business. I'm not going to listen to porn or anything. But if I'm struggling with something, I don't want them
over hearing.
I've compromised on wearing my headset over just one ear. I always use my
left ear so if I lose hearing in that ear, it will probably be because of
the headset.
On 08/27/2015 10:07 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
That would be a fine thing if someone compromised a machine because they
over heard a password on a screen reader. Wow! Imagine that one. Ive never thought about it much but thats a pretty big risk. I always use headphones which is probably why I never thought about it but if someone
really wanted to they could probably pick up the signal from my cans.
Well > On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:04 AM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote: > > I've been a linux user for a while now but when I used Windows and > openssh, I had a problem in that jaws would speak my password as I > typed it in. I wrote a jaws script to stop that. I don't know if > it would still work but here it is: > > http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/pub/program.jss > > > On 08/27/2015 05:34 AM, Jen Bottom wrote: >> I have OpensSH installed on a Windows box at work and that works >> fine for connecting to other machines. >> >> I use a 'config' file in my user's '.ssh' directory for managing >> keys etc. >> >> I think iti came with GitBash, but you might well be able to get >> it via Chocolaty, if you kike that sort of package manager, or >> just download it from the net. >> >> I used to use Putty for connecting in when working at home, but I >> found it a lot of faff. Give me a nice config file any day :) >> >> Hope this helps, >> Jen! >> >> On 8/24/15, Chris Nestrud <ccn@chrisnestrud.com> wrote: >>> Emphasis on the simple--they don't provide the insert-q info. >>> >>> If you press ctrl-shft-r, they should toggle between reading and >>> ignoring incoming text. >>> >>> The scripts are named "ssh" because that is what JFW is >>> expecting for >>> >>> this >>> program. >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Chris: >>>> >>>> I downloaded your scripts and SecureCRT, but have a >>>> question/problem. >>>> All the scripts are for ssh, but the SecureCRT program isn't >>>> called that. How do I know they're in service, especially since >>>> I didn't find any I didn't find any ScriptFileName function, so >>>> I put one in, and when I press JAWS Key Q, JAWS tells me I'm >>>> running the default scripts. >>>> >>>>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:57:11 -0500, you wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I use Secure CRT and some very simple JAWS scripts for screen >>>>> echo that I wrote and placed here: >>>>> >>>>> http://chrisnestrud.com/projects/jfw/scrt >>>>> >>>>> Chris >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:33:21PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote: >>>>>> I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't >>>>>> bad with the simple modification I found on one of the Cavi >>>>>> archives on the net >>>>>> >>>>>> until >>>>>> you >>>>>> try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I >>>>>> think we probably have to find a different way to edit files >>>>>> on the remote machine though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 >>>>>> forever just for TT to work good. >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" >>>>>> <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>>> To: "Blind sysadmins list" >>>>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from >>>>>> that mess. >>>>>> TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with >>>>>> PUTTY. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >>>>>>> Fr?n: Blind-sysadmins >>>>>>> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] F?r >>>>>>> Steve Matzura >>>>>>> Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 >>>>>>> Till: Blind sysadmins list >>>>>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>>>>> ?mne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried >>>>>>> it, and >>>>>>> >>>>>>> found >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the >>>>>>> other system. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, >>>>>>>> Secure CRT is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with >>>>>>>> it. Putty is very good though, supports ssh and lots of >>>>>>>> other protocols including serial. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura >>>>>>>>> <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's >>>>>>>>> a simple JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and >>>>>>>>> annoyances which make me wonder sometimes how I get >>>>>>>>> anything at all done with it. >>>>>>>>> Soon >>>>>>>>> as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll >>>>>>>>> probably ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's >>>>>>>>> something better, or something that can be changed in the >>>>>>>>> script I have for it, I'm all about trying it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> TIA >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> > > -- > John Heim, jheim@math.wisc.edu, skype:john.g.heim > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
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There is no adverse effect of noise canceling technology. They work using basic vector math so the total sum of the energies is equal to less than the individuals because of the addition of positive and negative vectors. The sound out of phase is not damaging to you, it just offsets the sound in positive phase.
On Aug 28, 2015, at 10:20 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> wrote:
I hate noise-cancelling headphones because they give me, at least, a false sense of my environment. They use noise to mask or counteract other noise in reverse phase, so you *know* that can't be good for you long-term.
On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 09:07:25 -0500, you wrote:
I would think that noise cancelling headphones would be better for your hearing than regular ones. It's possible it's the other way around though. Those things work by generating sound waves to cancel out the sound waves from the environment. Technically, there is more noise, not less. It's just that you can't perceive it. I poked around for information on whether noise cancelling headphones are better or worse for preventing hearing loss but found nothing. The closest I came was an obsolete article on the Consumer Reports web site that said noise cancelling headphones prevent hearing loss because they allow you to avoid turning up the volume in noisy situations. I had to read that article from the google cache because the link to it gave a 404 error.
I also found some stuff indicating that the Occupational Health and Safety Administration (OSHA) does not have any regulations regarding noise cancelling headphones. At first I figured this was a bad sign because if you could use noise cancellation technology to save your hearing, OSHA would madate it's use. But if you wear noise cancelling headphones, you aren't going to hear people yelling warnings at you, for example so OSHA is not going to recommend them. Well, all that means is that OSHA's neutrality on the use of noise cancelling headphones is not a data point in terms of preventing hearing loss -- which is what I am mostly interested in.
On 08/28/2015 07:35 AM, Darragh Ó Héiligh wrote:
There's quite a lot of sound leakage with the aftershockz.
I find that when really focusing on a screen reader I cant let myself hear external noises. I generally use a pair of Boes noise cancelling ear phones. It helps me really focus on what I'm doing. I assume it's like someone writing a document in distraction free or full screen mode. All the other flashy buttons go away so you can get things done without distractions.
I'm actually sitting in Starbucks now while my wife is off shopping. Enjoying a reasonably nice coffee while catching up on some work. It's noisy in here but I'm oblivious at the moment.
It's meant to be my day off but.. our VPN went down today so looks like there's no rest for the wicked.
-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Jen Bottom Sent: Friday 28 August 2015 10:35 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones (was: teraterm)
Agree with Vic,
I use Aftershocks at home and may consider getting a set for work.
TBH though I think that perhaps the noise in my office would be worse for my ears than the speech :)
Personally even if using ear phones, I would not recommend anyone use something that is going to speak a password out loud, sound leakage etc.
I think I actually used to have that problem with Putty and either Jaws or NVDA, but that was about 7 years ago and I don't use Putty any more.
Cheers, Jen.
On 8/28/15, Greg B. <gbobo@woh.rr.com> wrote:
Hi everybody,
I have switched to using bone conduction headphones which sound amazingly good. Using this style of headphone keeps both ears open so even if walking outside, I can hear things in the environment. I also use on the ear hadphones with in-line volume control which helps with the hearing problem. The open ear headphones are Aftershockz 3. I like using them even when I am taking notes in class.
Greg B.
-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Brent Harding Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 1:02 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones (was: teraterm)
I imagine it's probably OK as long as we don't have to turn it up very loud to get it over other noise in the environment.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Granados" <scott@granados-llc.net> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones (was: teraterm)
What?
Speak louder!
:)
So that's funny but we are very similar on this front. However, I definitely have lost hearing a lot of hearing at that. Lots of loud music, loud audio and for extended periods of time, probably 16+ hours per
day for what 30 years or so? I was in the music game before network engineering and really blew out a lot of my hearing then mixing live shows
and working in the studio. As you know your ears lose sensitivity over time so after say a 20 hour recording session you would find that you start the day at a nice low sound pressure level and by the end of the day
you could drown out jet engines.:)
I do the same thing though now. I don't like wearing a headset on both ears in the office because I can't hear people walking up on me or standing outside my cube. I leave the cans on over my left ear and leave the right ear open to hear the environment around me.
You're smart though being careful with your hearing. I was definitely the
opposite of that and while I don't regret a thing about it I know I have damaged my hearing pretty significantly.
Broadcasters run in to this a lot. Rush Limbaugh has an implant to restore his hearing from what I remember and it's attributed to wearing headphones for an extended period at elevated levels.
On Aug 27, 2015, at 12:18 PM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
I'd prefer not to wear headphones because I figure that can't be good for
your hearing. I know there are studies that show that listening to loud music with headphones damages your hearing. I am unaware of any studies that show that listening to speech at a normal level damages your hearing. But why take the chance?
Having said that though, I am wearing a headset right now. I don't want my co-workers listening over my shoulder as it were. I know they'd prefer
not to listen but I figure sometimes they can't help it. It's not just that I don't want them knowing my business. I'm not going to listen to porn or anything. But if I'm struggling with something, I don't want them
over hearing.
I've compromised on wearing my headset over just one ear. I always use my
left ear so if I lose hearing in that ear, it will probably be because of
the headset.
On 08/27/2015 10:07 AM, Scott Granados wrote: > That would be a fine thing if someone compromised a machine because > they > > over heard a password on a screen reader. Wow! Imagine that one. > I've > never thought about it much but that's a pretty big risk. I always > use headphones which is probably why I never thought about it but > if someone > > really wanted to they could probably pick up the signal from my cans. > > > > Well >> On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:04 AM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote: >> >> I've been a linux user for a while now but when I used Windows and >> openssh, I had a problem in that jaws would speak my password as I >> typed it in. I wrote a jaws script to stop that. I don't know if >> it would still work but here it is: >> >> http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/pub/program.jss >> >> >> On 08/27/2015 05:34 AM, Jen Bottom wrote: >>> I have OpensSH installed on a Windows box at work and that works >>> fine for connecting to other machines. >>> >>> I use a 'config' file in my user's '.ssh' directory for managing >>> keys etc. >>> >>> I think iti came with GitBash, but you might well be able to get >>> it via Chocolaty, if you kike that sort of package manager, or >>> just download it from the net. >>> >>> I used to use Putty for connecting in when working at home, but I >>> found it a lot of faff. Give me a nice config file any day :) >>> >>> Hope this helps, >>> Jen! >>> >>> On 8/24/15, Chris Nestrud <ccn@chrisnestrud.com> wrote: >>>> Emphasis on the simple--they don't provide the insert-q info. >>>> >>>> If you press ctrl-shft-r, they should toggle between reading and >>>> ignoring incoming text. >>>> >>>> The scripts are named "ssh" because that is what JFW is >>>> expecting for >>>> >>>> this >>>> program. >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Chris: >>>>> >>>>> I downloaded your scripts and SecureCRT, but have a >>>>> question/problem. >>>>> All the scripts are for ssh, but the SecureCRT program isn't >>>>> called that. How do I know they're in service, especially since >>>>> I didn't find any I didn't find any ScriptFileName function, so >>>>> I put one in, and when I press JAWS Key Q, JAWS tells me I'm >>>>> running the default scripts. >>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:57:11 -0500, you wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I use Secure CRT and some very simple JAWS scripts for screen >>>>>> echo that I wrote and placed here: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://chrisnestrud.com/projects/jfw/scrt >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:33:21PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote: >>>>>>> I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't >>>>>>> bad with the simple modification I found on one of the Cavi >>>>>>> archives on the net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> until >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I >>>>>>> think we probably have to find a different way to edit files >>>>>>> on the remote machine though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 >>>>>>> forever just for TT to work good. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" >>>>>>> <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>>>> To: "Blind sysadmins list" >>>>>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from >>>>>>> that mess. >>>>>>> TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with >>>>>>> PUTTY. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >>>>>>>> Fr?n: Blind-sysadmins >>>>>>>> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] F?r >>>>>>>> Steve Matzura >>>>>>>> Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 >>>>>>>> Till: Blind sysadmins list >>>>>>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>>>>>> ?mne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried >>>>>>>> it, and >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> found >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the >>>>>>>> other system. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, >>>>>>>>> Secure CRT is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with >>>>>>>>> it. Putty is very good though, supports ssh and lots of >>>>>>>>> other protocols including serial. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura >>>>>>>>>> <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's >>>>>>>>>> a simple JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and >>>>>>>>>> annoyances which make me wonder sometimes how I get >>>>>>>>>> anything at all done with it. >>>>>>>>>> Soon >>>>>>>>>> as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll >>>>>>>>>> probably ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's >>>>>>>>>> something better, or something that can be changed in the >>>>>>>>>> script I have for it, I'm all about trying it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> TIA >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >> >> -- >> John Heim, jheim@math.wisc.edu, skype:john.g.heim >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >
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It's more accurate to say there's no reason to think noise cancelling technology is damaging to hearing. But to say it doesn't damage hearing is assuming facts not in evidence. Sound is made up of pressure waves. The pressure waves from the noise in the environment are cancelled by pressure waves emitted by the headphones themselves. So your eardrum doesn't vibrate and you do not perceive the noise. But what causes hearing damage? Is it the amount of vibration, the amount of pressure, or something else? Not only do I not know that, I don't think anybody does. In poking around on the internet, I found references to studies aimed at determining exactlyhow loud noise damages your hearing. But that is still an open question. The total amount of energy applied to your eardrum is probably greater with noise cancelling headphones than it is with normal ones. About the only way to settle this would be to find studies of the effect of noise cancellation on hearing and I haven't been able to find anything like that. One thing I'd grant vy way of common sense is that noise cancelling headphones would allow you to avoid turning up the volume on your headphones to compensate for the noise in the environment. They may help you avoid hearing loss in that way. On 08/31/2015 07:58 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
There is no adverse effect of noise canceling technology. They work using basic vector math so the total sum of the energies is equal to less than the individuals because of the addition of positive and negative vectors.
The sound out of phase is not damaging to you, it just offsets the sound in positive phase.
On Aug 28, 2015, at 10:20 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> wrote:
I hate noise-cancelling headphones because they give me, at least, a false sense of my environment. They use noise to mask or counteract other noise in reverse phase, so you *know* that can't be good for you long-term.
On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 09:07:25 -0500, you wrote:
I would think that noise cancelling headphones would be better for your hearing than regular ones. It's possible it's the other way around though. Those things work by generating sound waves to cancel out the sound waves from the environment. Technically, there is more noise, not less. It's just that you can't perceive it. I poked around for information on whether noise cancelling headphones are better or worse for preventing hearing loss but found nothing. The closest I came was an obsolete article on the Consumer Reports web site that said noise cancelling headphones prevent hearing loss because they allow you to avoid turning up the volume in noisy situations. I had to read that article from the google cache because the link to it gave a 404 error.
I also found some stuff indicating that the Occupational Health and Safety Administration (OSHA) does not have any regulations regarding noise cancelling headphones. At first I figured this was a bad sign because if you could use noise cancellation technology to save your hearing, OSHA would madate it's use. But if you wear noise cancelling headphones, you aren't going to hear people yelling warnings at you, for example so OSHA is not going to recommend them. Well, all that means is that OSHA's neutrality on the use of noise cancelling headphones is not a data point in terms of preventing hearing loss -- which is what I am mostly interested in.
On 08/28/2015 07:35 AM, Darragh Ó Héiligh wrote:
There's quite a lot of sound leakage with the aftershockz.
I find that when really focusing on a screen reader I cant let myself hear external noises. I generally use a pair of Boes noise cancelling ear phones. It helps me really focus on what I'm doing. I assume it's like someone writing a document in distraction free or full screen mode. All the other flashy buttons go away so you can get things done without distractions.
I'm actually sitting in Starbucks now while my wife is off shopping. Enjoying a reasonably nice coffee while catching up on some work. It's noisy in here but I'm oblivious at the moment.
It's meant to be my day off but.. our VPN went down today so looks like there's no rest for the wicked.
-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Jen Bottom Sent: Friday 28 August 2015 10:35 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones (was: teraterm)
Agree with Vic,
I use Aftershocks at home and may consider getting a set for work.
TBH though I think that perhaps the noise in my office would be worse for my ears than the speech :)
Personally even if using ear phones, I would not recommend anyone use something that is going to speak a password out loud, sound leakage etc.
I think I actually used to have that problem with Putty and either Jaws or NVDA, but that was about 7 years ago and I don't use Putty any more.
Cheers, Jen.
On 8/28/15, Greg B. <gbobo@woh.rr.com> wrote:
Hi everybody,
I have switched to using bone conduction headphones which sound amazingly good. Using this style of headphone keeps both ears open so even if walking outside, I can hear things in the environment. I also use on the ear hadphones with in-line volume control which helps with the hearing problem. The open ear headphones are Aftershockz 3. I like using them even when I am taking notes in class.
Greg B.
-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Brent Harding Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 1:02 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones (was: teraterm)
I imagine it's probably OK as long as we don't have to turn it up very loud to get it over other noise in the environment.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Granados" <scott@granados-llc.net> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones (was: teraterm)
What?
Speak louder!
:)
So that's funny but we are very similar on this front. However, I definitely have lost hearing a lot of hearing at that. Lots of loud music, loud audio and for extended periods of time, probably 16+ hours per
day for what 30 years or so? I was in the music game before network engineering and really blew out a lot of my hearing then mixing live shows
and working in the studio. As you know your ears lose sensitivity over time so after say a 20 hour recording session you would find that you start the day at a nice low sound pressure level and by the end of the day
you could drown out jet engines.:)
I do the same thing though now. I don't like wearing a headset on both ears in the office because I can't hear people walking up on me or standing outside my cube. I leave the cans on over my left ear and leave the right ear open to hear the environment around me.
You're smart though being careful with your hearing. I was definitely the
opposite of that and while I don't regret a thing about it I know I have damaged my hearing pretty significantly.
Broadcasters run in to this a lot. Rush Limbaugh has an implant to restore his hearing from what I remember and it's attributed to wearing headphones for an extended period at elevated levels.
> On Aug 27, 2015, at 12:18 PM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote: > > I'd prefer not to wear headphones because I figure that can't be > good for > > your hearing. I know there are studies that show that listening to > loud music with headphones damages your hearing. I am unaware of any > studies that show that listening to speech at a normal level damages > your hearing. But why take the chance? > > Having said that though, I am wearing a headset right now. I don't > want my co-workers listening over my shoulder as it were. I know > they'd prefer > > not to listen but I figure sometimes they can't help it. It's not > just that I don't want them knowing my business. I'm not going to > listen to porn or anything. But if I'm struggling with something, I > don't want them > > over hearing. > > I've compromised on wearing my headset over just one ear. I always > use my > > left ear so if I lose hearing in that ear, it will probably be > because of > > the headset. > > > > > On 08/27/2015 10:07 AM, Scott Granados wrote: >> That would be a fine thing if someone compromised a machine because >> they >> >> over heard a password on a screen reader. Wow! Imagine that one. >> I've >> never thought about it much but that's a pretty big risk. I always >> use headphones which is probably why I never thought about it but >> if someone >> >> really wanted to they could probably pick up the signal from my cans. >> >> >> >> Well >>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:04 AM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote: >>> >>> I've been a linux user for a while now but when I used Windows and >>> openssh, I had a problem in that jaws would speak my password as I >>> typed it in. I wrote a jaws script to stop that. I don't know if >>> it would still work but here it is: >>> >>> http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/pub/program.jss >>> >>> >>> On 08/27/2015 05:34 AM, Jen Bottom wrote: >>>> I have OpensSH installed on a Windows box at work and that works >>>> fine for connecting to other machines. >>>> >>>> I use a 'config' file in my user's '.ssh' directory for managing >>>> keys etc. >>>> >>>> I think iti came with GitBash, but you might well be able to get >>>> it via Chocolaty, if you kike that sort of package manager, or >>>> just download it from the net. >>>> >>>> I used to use Putty for connecting in when working at home, but I >>>> found it a lot of faff. Give me a nice config file any day :) >>>> >>>> Hope this helps, >>>> Jen! >>>> >>>> On 8/24/15, Chris Nestrud <ccn@chrisnestrud.com> wrote: >>>>> Emphasis on the simple--they don't provide the insert-q info. >>>>> >>>>> If you press ctrl-shft-r, they should toggle between reading and >>>>> ignoring incoming text. >>>>> >>>>> The scripts are named "ssh" because that is what JFW is >>>>> expecting for >>>>> >>>>> this >>>>> program. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris: >>>>>> >>>>>> I downloaded your scripts and SecureCRT, but have a >>>>>> question/problem. >>>>>> All the scripts are for ssh, but the SecureCRT program isn't >>>>>> called that. How do I know they're in service, especially since >>>>>> I didn't find any I didn't find any ScriptFileName function, so >>>>>> I put one in, and when I press JAWS Key Q, JAWS tells me I'm >>>>>> running the default scripts. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:57:11 -0500, you wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I use Secure CRT and some very simple JAWS scripts for screen >>>>>>> echo that I wrote and placed here: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://chrisnestrud.com/projects/jfw/scrt >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:33:21PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote: >>>>>>>> I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't >>>>>>>> bad with the simple modification I found on one of the Cavi >>>>>>>> archives on the net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> until >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I >>>>>>>> think we probably have to find a different way to edit files >>>>>>>> on the remote machine though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 >>>>>>>> forever just for TT to work good. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" >>>>>>>> <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>>>>> To: "Blind sysadmins list" >>>>>>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from >>>>>>>> that mess. >>>>>>>> TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with >>>>>>>> PUTTY. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >>>>>>>>> Fr?n: Blind-sysadmins >>>>>>>>> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] F?r >>>>>>>>> Steve Matzura >>>>>>>>> Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 >>>>>>>>> Till: Blind sysadmins list >>>>>>>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>>>>>>> ?mne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried >>>>>>>>> it, and >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> found >>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>> have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the >>>>>>>>> other system. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, >>>>>>>>>> Secure CRT is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with >>>>>>>>>> it. Putty is very good though, supports ssh and lots of >>>>>>>>>> other protocols including serial. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura >>>>>>>>>>> <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's >>>>>>>>>>> a simple JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and >>>>>>>>>>> annoyances which make me wonder sometimes how I get >>>>>>>>>>> anything at all done with it. >>>>>>>>>>> Soon >>>>>>>>>>> as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll >>>>>>>>>>> probably ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's >>>>>>>>>>> something better, or something that can be changed in the >>>>>>>>>>> script I have for it, I'm all about trying it. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> TIA >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> John Heim, jheim@math.wisc.edu, skype:john.g.heim >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> > > -- > John Heim, jheim@math.wisc.edu, skype:john.g.heim > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
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John, Noise canceling headphones are better for your hearing. While there is more noise generated the vectors of the energy cancel each other out and result in a smaller net change and lower impact. You can for example isolate your hearing from jet noises or loud engine sounds etc. Even in quiet settings it allows you to use your audio source at a lower gain cutting the background. I notice t his in datacenter use. All the loud fans and cooling that’s so loud you can barely talk with a nice pair of noise canceling headphones falls away and makes it much easier and more comfortable to work.
On Aug 28, 2015, at 10:07 AM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
I would think that noise cancelling headphones would be better for your hearing than regular ones. It's possible it's the other way around though. Those things work by generating sound waves to cancel out the sound waves from the environment. Technically, there is more noise, not less. It's just that you can't perceive it. I poked around for information on whether noise cancelling headphones are better or worse for preventing hearing loss but found nothing. The closest I came was an obsolete article on the Consumer Reports web site that said noise cancelling headphones prevent hearing loss because they allow you to avoid turning up the volume in noisy situations. I had to read that article from the google cache because the link to it gave a 404 error.
I also found some stuff indicating that the Occupational Health and Safety Administration (OSHA) does not have any regulations regarding noise cancelling headphones. At first I figured this was a bad sign because if you could use noise cancellation technology to save your hearing, OSHA would madate it's use. But if you wear noise cancelling headphones, you aren't going to hear people yelling warnings at you, for example so OSHA is not going to recommend them. Well, all that means is that OSHA's neutrality on the use of noise cancelling headphones is not a data point in terms of preventing hearing loss -- which is what I am mostly interested in.
On 08/28/2015 07:35 AM, Darragh Ó Héiligh wrote:
There's quite a lot of sound leakage with the aftershockz.
I find that when really focusing on a screen reader I cant let myself hear external noises. I generally use a pair of Boes noise cancelling ear phones. It helps me really focus on what I'm doing. I assume it's like someone writing a document in distraction free or full screen mode. All the other flashy buttons go away so you can get things done without distractions.
I'm actually sitting in Starbucks now while my wife is off shopping. Enjoying a reasonably nice coffee while catching up on some work. It's noisy in here but I'm oblivious at the moment.
It's meant to be my day off but.. our VPN went down today so looks like there's no rest for the wicked.
-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Jen Bottom Sent: Friday 28 August 2015 10:35 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones (was: teraterm)
Agree with Vic,
I use Aftershocks at home and may consider getting a set for work.
TBH though I think that perhaps the noise in my office would be worse for my ears than the speech :)
Personally even if using ear phones, I would not recommend anyone use something that is going to speak a password out loud, sound leakage etc.
I think I actually used to have that problem with Putty and either Jaws or NVDA, but that was about 7 years ago and I don't use Putty any more.
Cheers, Jen.
On 8/28/15, Greg B. <gbobo@woh.rr.com> wrote:
Hi everybody,
I have switched to using bone conduction headphones which sound amazingly good. Using this style of headphone keeps both ears open so even if walking outside, I can hear things in the environment. I also use on the ear hadphones with in-line volume control which helps with the hearing problem. The open ear headphones are Aftershockz 3. I like using them even when I am taking notes in class.
Greg B.
-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Brent Harding Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 1:02 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones (was: teraterm)
I imagine it's probably OK as long as we don't have to turn it up very loud to get it over other noise in the environment.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Granados" <scott@granados-llc.net> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones (was: teraterm)
What?
Speak louder!
:)
So that’s funny but we are very similar on this front. However, I definitely have lost hearing a lot of hearing at that. Lots of loud music, loud audio and for extended periods of time, probably 16+ hours per
day for what 30 years or so? I was in the music game before network engineering and really blew out a lot of my hearing then mixing live shows
and working in the studio. As you know your ears lose sensitivity over time so after say a 20 hour recording session you would find that you start the day at a nice low sound pressure level and by the end of the day
you could drown out jet engines.:)
I do the same thing though now. I don’t like wearing a headset on both ears in the office because I can’t hear people walking up on me or standing outside my cube. I leave the cans on over my left ear and leave the right ear open to hear the environment around me.
You’re smart though being careful with your hearing. I was definitely the
opposite of that and while I don’t regret a thing about it I know I have damaged my hearing pretty significantly.
Broadcasters run in to this a lot. Rush Limbaugh has an implant to restore his hearing from what I remember and it’s attributed to wearing headphones for an extended period at elevated levels.
On Aug 27, 2015, at 12:18 PM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
I'd prefer not to wear headphones because I figure that can't be good for
your hearing. I know there are studies that show that listening to loud music with headphones damages your hearing. I am unaware of any studies that show that listening to speech at a normal level damages your hearing. But why take the chance?
Having said that though, I am wearing a headset right now. I don't want my co-workers listening over my shoulder as it were. I know they'd prefer
not to listen but I figure sometimes they can't help it. It's not just that I don't want them knowing my business. I'm not going to listen to porn or anything. But if I'm struggling with something, I don't want them
over hearing.
I've compromised on wearing my headset over just one ear. I always use my
left ear so if I lose hearing in that ear, it will probably be because of
the headset.
On 08/27/2015 10:07 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
That would be a fine thing if someone compromised a machine because they
over heard a password on a screen reader. Wow! Imagine that one. I’ve never thought about it much but that’s a pretty big risk. I always use headphones which is probably why I never thought about it but if someone
really wanted to they could probably pick up the signal from my cans.
Well > On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:04 AM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote: > > I've been a linux user for a while now but when I used Windows and > openssh, I had a problem in that jaws would speak my password as I > typed it in. I wrote a jaws script to stop that. I don't know if > it would still work but here it is: > > http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/pub/program.jss > > > On 08/27/2015 05:34 AM, Jen Bottom wrote: >> I have OpensSH installed on a Windows box at work and that works >> fine for connecting to other machines. >> >> I use a 'config' file in my user's '.ssh' directory for managing >> keys etc. >> >> I think iti came with GitBash, but you might well be able to get >> it via Chocolaty, if you kike that sort of package manager, or >> just download it from the net. >> >> I used to use Putty for connecting in when working at home, but I >> found it a lot of faff. Give me a nice config file any day :) >> >> Hope this helps, >> Jen! >> >> On 8/24/15, Chris Nestrud <ccn@chrisnestrud.com> wrote: >>> Emphasis on the simple--they don't provide the insert-q info. >>> >>> If you press ctrl-shft-r, they should toggle between reading and >>> ignoring incoming text. >>> >>> The scripts are named "ssh" because that is what JFW is >>> expecting for >>> >>> this >>> program. >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Chris: >>>> >>>> I downloaded your scripts and SecureCRT, but have a >>>> question/problem. >>>> All the scripts are for ssh, but the SecureCRT program isn't >>>> called that. How do I know they're in service, especially since >>>> I didn't find any I didn't find any ScriptFileName function, so >>>> I put one in, and when I press JAWS Key Q, JAWS tells me I'm >>>> running the default scripts. >>>> >>>>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:57:11 -0500, you wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I use Secure CRT and some very simple JAWS scripts for screen >>>>> echo that I wrote and placed here: >>>>> >>>>> http://chrisnestrud.com/projects/jfw/scrt >>>>> >>>>> Chris >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:33:21PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote: >>>>>> I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't >>>>>> bad with the simple modification I found on one of the Cavi >>>>>> archives on the net >>>>>> >>>>>> until >>>>>> you >>>>>> try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I >>>>>> think we probably have to find a different way to edit files >>>>>> on the remote machine though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 >>>>>> forever just for TT to work good. >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" >>>>>> <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>>> To: "Blind sysadmins list" >>>>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from >>>>>> that mess. >>>>>> TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with >>>>>> PUTTY. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >>>>>>> Fr?n: Blind-sysadmins >>>>>>> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] F?r >>>>>>> Steve Matzura >>>>>>> Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 >>>>>>> Till: Blind sysadmins list >>>>>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>>>>> ?mne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried >>>>>>> it, and >>>>>>> >>>>>>> found >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the >>>>>>> other system. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, >>>>>>>> Secure CRT is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with >>>>>>>> it. Putty is very good though, supports ssh and lots of >>>>>>>> other protocols including serial. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura >>>>>>>>> <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's >>>>>>>>> a simple JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and >>>>>>>>> annoyances which make me wonder sometimes how I get >>>>>>>>> anything at all done with it. >>>>>>>>> Soon >>>>>>>>> as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll >>>>>>>>> probably ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's >>>>>>>>> something better, or something that can be changed in the >>>>>>>>> script I have for it, I'm all about trying it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> TIA >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> > > -- > John Heim, jheim@math.wisc.edu, skype:john.g.heim > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
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Well, as I said, Scott, it makes sense that noise cancelling headphones help to prevent long term hearing loss by allowing you to avoid turning up the volume on your headphones. But that's really just speculation. Science is chock full of counter-intuitive effects. I'd prefer to see some scientific evidence before I'd call that a fact. Like I said, if the long term effect of noise cancelling headphones has been studied, I can't find any evidence of it on the internet. I don't think that study has been done. In fact, what little evidence I have found seems to indicate that the causes of hearing loss haven't been studied much at all. The few studies I have seen referenced seem to indicate that the science of preventing hearing loss is still pretty primitive. My dear old dad worked in a paper mill for 35 years and has next to no hearing today. The mill blames his hearing loss on a couple of ear infections he had when he was in his 30s -- which is totally bogus, of course. For one thing, he had the infections in only one ear. But it's really hard to prove or disprove any of this stuff. On 08/31/2015 07:55 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
John,
Noise canceling headphones are better for your hearing. While there is more noise generated the vectors of the energy cancel each other out and result in a smaller net change and lower impact. You can for example isolate your hearing from jet noises or loud engine sounds etc. Even in quiet settings it allows you to use your audio source at a lower gain cutting the background. I notice t his in datacenter use. All the loud fans and cooling that’s so loud you can barely talk with a nice pair of noise canceling headphones falls away and makes it much easier and more comfortable to work.
On Aug 28, 2015, at 10:07 AM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
I would think that noise cancelling headphones would be better for your hearing than regular ones. It's possible it's the other way around though. Those things work by generating sound waves to cancel out the sound waves from the environment. Technically, there is more noise, not less. It's just that you can't perceive it. I poked around for information on whether noise cancelling headphones are better or worse for preventing hearing loss but found nothing. The closest I came was an obsolete article on the Consumer Reports web site that said noise cancelling headphones prevent hearing loss because they allow you to avoid turning up the volume in noisy situations. I had to read that article from the google cache because the link to it gave a 404 error.
I also found some stuff indicating that the Occupational Health and Safety Administration (OSHA) does not have any regulations regarding noise cancelling headphones. At first I figured this was a bad sign because if you could use noise cancellation technology to save your hearing, OSHA would madate it's use. But if you wear noise cancelling headphones, you aren't going to hear people yelling warnings at you, for example so OSHA is not going to recommend them. Well, all that means is that OSHA's neutrality on the use of noise cancelling headphones is not a data point in terms of preventing hearing loss -- which is what I am mostly interested in.
On 08/28/2015 07:35 AM, Darragh Ó Héiligh wrote:
There's quite a lot of sound leakage with the aftershockz.
I find that when really focusing on a screen reader I cant let myself hear external noises. I generally use a pair of Boes noise cancelling ear phones. It helps me really focus on what I'm doing. I assume it's like someone writing a document in distraction free or full screen mode. All the other flashy buttons go away so you can get things done without distractions.
I'm actually sitting in Starbucks now while my wife is off shopping. Enjoying a reasonably nice coffee while catching up on some work. It's noisy in here but I'm oblivious at the moment.
It's meant to be my day off but.. our VPN went down today so looks like there's no rest for the wicked.
-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Jen Bottom Sent: Friday 28 August 2015 10:35 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones (was: teraterm)
Agree with Vic,
I use Aftershocks at home and may consider getting a set for work.
TBH though I think that perhaps the noise in my office would be worse for my ears than the speech :)
Personally even if using ear phones, I would not recommend anyone use something that is going to speak a password out loud, sound leakage etc.
I think I actually used to have that problem with Putty and either Jaws or NVDA, but that was about 7 years ago and I don't use Putty any more.
Cheers, Jen.
On 8/28/15, Greg B. <gbobo@woh.rr.com> wrote:
Hi everybody,
I have switched to using bone conduction headphones which sound amazingly good. Using this style of headphone keeps both ears open so even if walking outside, I can hear things in the environment. I also use on the ear hadphones with in-line volume control which helps with the hearing problem. The open ear headphones are Aftershockz 3. I like using them even when I am taking notes in class.
Greg B.
-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Brent Harding Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 1:02 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones (was: teraterm)
I imagine it's probably OK as long as we don't have to turn it up very loud to get it over other noise in the environment.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Granados" <scott@granados-llc.net> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones (was: teraterm)
What?
Speak louder!
:)
So that’s funny but we are very similar on this front. However, I definitely have lost hearing a lot of hearing at that. Lots of loud music, loud audio and for extended periods of time, probably 16+ hours per
day for what 30 years or so? I was in the music game before network engineering and really blew out a lot of my hearing then mixing live shows
and working in the studio. As you know your ears lose sensitivity over time so after say a 20 hour recording session you would find that you start the day at a nice low sound pressure level and by the end of the day
you could drown out jet engines.:)
I do the same thing though now. I don’t like wearing a headset on both ears in the office because I can’t hear people walking up on me or standing outside my cube. I leave the cans on over my left ear and leave the right ear open to hear the environment around me.
You’re smart though being careful with your hearing. I was definitely the
opposite of that and while I don’t regret a thing about it I know I have damaged my hearing pretty significantly.
Broadcasters run in to this a lot. Rush Limbaugh has an implant to restore his hearing from what I remember and it’s attributed to wearing headphones for an extended period at elevated levels.
On Aug 27, 2015, at 12:18 PM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
I'd prefer not to wear headphones because I figure that can't be good for
your hearing. I know there are studies that show that listening to loud music with headphones damages your hearing. I am unaware of any studies that show that listening to speech at a normal level damages your hearing. But why take the chance?
Having said that though, I am wearing a headset right now. I don't want my co-workers listening over my shoulder as it were. I know they'd prefer
not to listen but I figure sometimes they can't help it. It's not just that I don't want them knowing my business. I'm not going to listen to porn or anything. But if I'm struggling with something, I don't want them
over hearing.
I've compromised on wearing my headset over just one ear. I always use my
left ear so if I lose hearing in that ear, it will probably be because of
the headset.
On 08/27/2015 10:07 AM, Scott Granados wrote: > That would be a fine thing if someone compromised a machine because > they > > over heard a password on a screen reader. Wow! Imagine that one. > I’ve > never thought about it much but that’s a pretty big risk. I always > use headphones which is probably why I never thought about it but > if someone > > really wanted to they could probably pick up the signal from my cans. > > > > Well >> On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:04 AM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote: >> >> I've been a linux user for a while now but when I used Windows and >> openssh, I had a problem in that jaws would speak my password as I >> typed it in. I wrote a jaws script to stop that. I don't know if >> it would still work but here it is: >> >> http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/pub/program.jss >> >> >> On 08/27/2015 05:34 AM, Jen Bottom wrote: >>> I have OpensSH installed on a Windows box at work and that works >>> fine for connecting to other machines. >>> >>> I use a 'config' file in my user's '.ssh' directory for managing >>> keys etc. >>> >>> I think iti came with GitBash, but you might well be able to get >>> it via Chocolaty, if you kike that sort of package manager, or >>> just download it from the net. >>> >>> I used to use Putty for connecting in when working at home, but I >>> found it a lot of faff. Give me a nice config file any day :) >>> >>> Hope this helps, >>> Jen! >>> >>> On 8/24/15, Chris Nestrud <ccn@chrisnestrud.com> wrote: >>>> Emphasis on the simple--they don't provide the insert-q info. >>>> >>>> If you press ctrl-shft-r, they should toggle between reading and >>>> ignoring incoming text. >>>> >>>> The scripts are named "ssh" because that is what JFW is >>>> expecting for >>>> >>>> this >>>> program. >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Chris: >>>>> >>>>> I downloaded your scripts and SecureCRT, but have a >>>>> question/problem. >>>>> All the scripts are for ssh, but the SecureCRT program isn't >>>>> called that. How do I know they're in service, especially since >>>>> I didn't find any I didn't find any ScriptFileName function, so >>>>> I put one in, and when I press JAWS Key Q, JAWS tells me I'm >>>>> running the default scripts. >>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:57:11 -0500, you wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I use Secure CRT and some very simple JAWS scripts for screen >>>>>> echo that I wrote and placed here: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://chrisnestrud.com/projects/jfw/scrt >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:33:21PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote: >>>>>>> I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't >>>>>>> bad with the simple modification I found on one of the Cavi >>>>>>> archives on the net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> until >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I >>>>>>> think we probably have to find a different way to edit files >>>>>>> on the remote machine though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 >>>>>>> forever just for TT to work good. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" >>>>>>> <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>>>> To: "Blind sysadmins list" >>>>>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from >>>>>>> that mess. >>>>>>> TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with >>>>>>> PUTTY. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >>>>>>>> Fr?n: Blind-sysadmins >>>>>>>> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] F?r >>>>>>>> Steve Matzura >>>>>>>> Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 >>>>>>>> Till: Blind sysadmins list >>>>>>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>>>>>> ?mne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried >>>>>>>> it, and >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> found >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the >>>>>>>> other system. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, >>>>>>>>> Secure CRT is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with >>>>>>>>> it. Putty is very good though, supports ssh and lots of >>>>>>>>> other protocols including serial. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura >>>>>>>>>> <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's >>>>>>>>>> a simple JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and >>>>>>>>>> annoyances which make me wonder sometimes how I get >>>>>>>>>> anything at all done with it. >>>>>>>>>> Soon >>>>>>>>>> as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll >>>>>>>>>> probably ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's >>>>>>>>>> something better, or something that can be changed in the >>>>>>>>>> script I have for it, I'm all about trying it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> TIA >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >> >> -- >> John Heim, jheim@math.wisc.edu, skype:john.g.heim >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >
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There's quite a lot of sound leakage with the aftershockz. I find that when really focusing on a screen reader I cant let myself hear external noises. I generally use a pair of Boes noise cancelling ear phones. It helps me really focus on what I'm doing. I assume it's like someone writing a document in distraction free or full screen mode. All the other flashy buttons go away so you can get things done without distractions. I'm actually sitting in Starbucks now while my wife is off shopping. Enjoying a reasonably nice coffee while catching up on some work. It's noisy in here but I'm oblivious at the moment. It's meant to be my day off but.. our VPN went down today so looks like there's no rest for the wicked. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Jen Bottom Sent: Friday 28 August 2015 10:35 To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones (was: teraterm) Agree with Vic, I use Aftershocks at home and may consider getting a set for work. TBH though I think that perhaps the noise in my office would be worse for my ears than the speech :) Personally even if using ear phones, I would not recommend anyone use something that is going to speak a password out loud, sound leakage etc. I think I actually used to have that problem with Putty and either Jaws or NVDA, but that was about 7 years ago and I don't use Putty any more. Cheers, Jen. On 8/28/15, Greg B. <gbobo@woh.rr.com> wrote:
Hi everybody,
I have switched to using bone conduction headphones which sound amazingly good. Using this style of headphone keeps both ears open so even if walking outside, I can hear things in the environment. I also use on the ear hadphones with in-line volume control which helps with the hearing problem. The open ear headphones are Aftershockz 3. I like using them even when I am taking notes in class.
Greg B.
-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Brent Harding Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 1:02 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones (was: teraterm)
I imagine it's probably OK as long as we don't have to turn it up very loud to get it over other noise in the environment.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Granados" <scott@granados-llc.net> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones (was: teraterm)
What?
Speak louder!
:)
So that’s funny but we are very similar on this front. However, I definitely have lost hearing a lot of hearing at that. Lots of loud music, loud audio and for extended periods of time, probably 16+ hours per
day for what 30 years or so? I was in the music game before network engineering and really blew out a lot of my hearing then mixing live shows
and working in the studio. As you know your ears lose sensitivity over time so after say a 20 hour recording session you would find that you start the day at a nice low sound pressure level and by the end of the day
you could drown out jet engines.:)
I do the same thing though now. I don’t like wearing a headset on both ears in the office because I can’t hear people walking up on me or standing outside my cube. I leave the cans on over my left ear and leave the right ear open to hear the environment around me.
You’re smart though being careful with your hearing. I was definitely the
opposite of that and while I don’t regret a thing about it I know I have damaged my hearing pretty significantly.
Broadcasters run in to this a lot. Rush Limbaugh has an implant to restore his hearing from what I remember and it’s attributed to wearing headphones for an extended period at elevated levels.
On Aug 27, 2015, at 12:18 PM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
I'd prefer not to wear headphones because I figure that can't be good for
your hearing. I know there are studies that show that listening to loud music with headphones damages your hearing. I am unaware of any studies that show that listening to speech at a normal level damages your hearing. But why take the chance?
Having said that though, I am wearing a headset right now. I don't want my co-workers listening over my shoulder as it were. I know they'd prefer
not to listen but I figure sometimes they can't help it. It's not just that I don't want them knowing my business. I'm not going to listen to porn or anything. But if I'm struggling with something, I don't want them
over hearing.
I've compromised on wearing my headset over just one ear. I always use my
left ear so if I lose hearing in that ear, it will probably be because of
the headset.
On 08/27/2015 10:07 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
That would be a fine thing if someone compromised a machine because they
over heard a password on a screen reader. Wow! Imagine that one. I’ve never thought about it much but that’s a pretty big risk. I always use headphones which is probably why I never thought about it but if someone
really wanted to they could probably pick up the signal from my cans.
Well
On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:04 AM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
I've been a linux user for a while now but when I used Windows and openssh, I had a problem in that jaws would speak my password as I typed it in. I wrote a jaws script to stop that. I don't know if it would still work but here it is:
http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/pub/program.jss
On 08/27/2015 05:34 AM, Jen Bottom wrote:
I have OpensSH installed on a Windows box at work and that works fine for connecting to other machines.
I use a 'config' file in my user's '.ssh' directory for managing keys etc.
I think iti came with GitBash, but you might well be able to get it via Chocolaty, if you kike that sort of package manager, or just download it from the net.
I used to use Putty for connecting in when working at home, but I found it a lot of faff. Give me a nice config file any day :)
Hope this helps, Jen!
On 8/24/15, Chris Nestrud <ccn@chrisnestrud.com> wrote: > Emphasis on the simple--they don't provide the insert-q info. > > If you press ctrl-shft-r, they should toggle between reading and > ignoring incoming text. > > The scripts are named "ssh" because that is what JFW is > expecting for > > this > program. > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >> wrote: >> >> Chris: >> >> I downloaded your scripts and SecureCRT, but have a >> question/problem. >> All the scripts are for ssh, but the SecureCRT program isn't >> called that. How do I know they're in service, especially since >> I didn't find any I didn't find any ScriptFileName function, so >> I put one in, and when I press JAWS Key Q, JAWS tells me I'm >> running the default scripts. >> >>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:57:11 -0500, you wrote: >>> >>> I use Secure CRT and some very simple JAWS scripts for screen >>> echo that I wrote and placed here: >>> >>> http://chrisnestrud.com/projects/jfw/scrt >>> >>> Chris >>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:33:21PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote: >>>> I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't >>>> bad with the simple modification I found on one of the Cavi >>>> archives on the net >>>> >>>> until >>>> you >>>> try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I >>>> think we probably have to find a different way to edit files >>>> on the remote machine though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 >>>> forever just for TT to work good. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" >>>> <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>> To: "Blind sysadmins list" >>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>> >>>> >>>> That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from >>>> that mess. >>>> TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with >>>> PUTTY. >>>> >>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed >>>>> >>>>> -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >>>>> Fr?n: Blind-sysadmins >>>>> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] F?r >>>>> Steve Matzura >>>>> Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 >>>>> Till: Blind sysadmins list >>>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>>> ?mne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>>> >>>>> How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried >>>>> it, and >>>>> >>>>> found >>>>> I >>>>> have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the >>>>> other system. >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, >>>>>> Secure CRT is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with >>>>>> it. Putty is very good though, supports ssh and lots of >>>>>> other protocols including serial. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura >>>>>>> <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's >>>>>>> a simple JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and >>>>>>> annoyances which make me wonder sometimes how I get >>>>>>> anything at all done with it. >>>>>>> Soon >>>>>>> as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll >>>>>>> probably ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's >>>>>>> something better, or something that can be changed in the >>>>>>> script I have for it, I'm all about trying it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> TIA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >
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That is why I forbade my children from attending concerts featuring loud music. Though they don't exploit their hearing as much as do we who are totally blind, I felt all senses ought to be preserved and protected as much as was at all possible. As we each do all we can to protect our health. That we might lengthen and preserve the quality of our individual lives. Rush Limbaugh is an example of how well challenges can be overcome with modern technology. But, regardless its advancement, it can never compare with the job our natural sensesdo for us. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Granados" <scott@granados-llc.net> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones (was: teraterm)
What?
Speak louder!
:)
So that’s funny but we are very similar on this front. However, I definitely have lost hearing a lot of hearing at that. Lots of loud music, loud audio and for extended periods of time, probably 16+ hours per day for what 30 years or so? I was in the music game before network engineering and really blew out a lot of my hearing then mixing live shows and working in the studio. As you know your ears lose sensitivity over time so after say a 20 hour recording session you would find that you start the day at a nice low sound pressure level and by the end of the day you could drown out jet engines.:)
I do the same thing though now. I don’t like wearing a headset on both ears in the office because I can’t hear people walking up on me or standing outside my cube. I leave the cans on over my left ear and leave the right ear open to hear the environment around me.
You’re smart though being careful with your hearing. I was definitely the opposite of that and while I don’t regret a thing about it I know I have damaged my hearing pretty significantly.
Broadcasters run in to this a lot. Rush Limbaugh has an implant to restore his hearing from what I remember and it’s attributed to wearing headphones for an extended period at elevated levels.
On Aug 27, 2015, at 12:18 PM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
I'd prefer not to wear headphones because I figure that can't be good for your hearing. I know there are studies that show that listening to loud music with headphones damages your hearing. I am unaware of any studies that show that listening to speech at a normal level damages your hearing. But why take the chance?
Having said that though, I am wearing a headset right now. I don't want my co-workers listening over my shoulder as it were. I know they'd prefer not to listen but I figure sometimes they can't help it. It's not just that I don't want them knowing my business. I'm not going to listen to porn or anything. But if I'm struggling with something, I don't want them over hearing.
I've compromised on wearing my headset over just one ear. I always use my left ear so if I lose hearing in that ear, it will probably be because of the headset.
On 08/27/2015 10:07 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
That would be a fine thing if someone compromised a machine because they over heard a password on a screen reader. Wow! Imagine that one. I’ve never thought about it much but that’s a pretty big risk. I always use headphones which is probably why I never thought about it but if someone really wanted to they could probably pick up the signal from my cans.
Well
On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:04 AM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
I've been a linux user for a while now but when I used Windows and openssh, I had a problem in that jaws would speak my password as I typed it in. I wrote a jaws script to stop that. I don't know if it would still work but here it is:
http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/pub/program.jss
On 08/27/2015 05:34 AM, Jen Bottom wrote:
I have OpensSH installed on a Windows box at work and that works fine for connecting to other machines.
I use a 'config' file in my user's '.ssh' directory for managing keys etc.
I think iti came with GitBash, but you might well be able to get it via Chocolaty, if you kike that sort of package manager, or just download it from the net.
I used to use Putty for connecting in when working at home, but I found it a lot of faff. Give me a nice config file any day :)
Hope this helps, Jen!
On 8/24/15, Chris Nestrud <ccn@chrisnestrud.com> wrote:
Emphasis on the simple--they don't provide the insert-q info.
If you press ctrl-shft-r, they should toggle between reading and ignoring incoming text.
The scripts are named "ssh" because that is what JFW is expecting for this program.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> > wrote: > > Chris: > > I downloaded your scripts and SecureCRT, but have a > question/problem. > All the scripts are for ssh, but the SecureCRT program isn't called > that. How do I know they're in service, especially since I didn't > find > any I didn't find any ScriptFileName function, so I put one in, and > when I press JAWS Key Q, JAWS tells me I'm running the default > scripts. > >> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:57:11 -0500, you wrote: >> >> I use Secure CRT and some very simple JAWS scripts for screen echo >> that I >> wrote and >> placed here: >> >> http://chrisnestrud.com/projects/jfw/scrt >> >> Chris >> >>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:33:21PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote: >>> I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't bad >>> with >>> the >>> simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the net >>> until >>> you >>> try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I >>> think we >>> probably have to find a different way to edit files on the remote >>> machine >>> though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to >>> work >>> good. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" >>> <sm@noisynotes.com> >>> To: "Blind sysadmins list" >>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>> >>> >>> That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that >>> mess. >>> TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with >>> PUTTY. >>> >>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote: >>>> >>>> Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed >>>> >>>> -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >>>> Fr?n: Blind-sysadmins >>>> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] F?r >>>> Steve >>>> Matzura >>>> Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 >>>> Till: Blind sysadmins list >>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>> ?mne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>> >>>> How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, and >>>> found >>>> I >>>> have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the other >>>> system. >>>> >>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, >>>>> Secure >>>>> CRT >>>>> is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is >>>>> very >>>>> good >>>>> though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including >>>>> serial. >>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a >>>>>> simple >>>>>> JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances >>>>>> which >>>>>> make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with >>>>>> it. >>>>>> Soon >>>>>> as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll >>>>>> probably >>>>>> ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something >>>>>> better, or >>>>>> something that can be changed in the script I have for it, I'm >>>>>> all >>>>>> about trying it. >>>>>> >>>>>> TIA >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
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This sounds positively awful, I’m glad I had different parents.:) I love loud music, went to many concerts, did many drugs and don’t regret a thing. I’m glad I got to trip listening to the Grateful Dead live or fly on an ecstasy bender while sitting in the speaker box while the orb and the Future Sound of London did an 18 hour set. Also, working in the studio work I did we would start the day with the sound pressure level pretty low but by the end of a 20+ hour session it was like a jet engine in the control room. Still, I’d rather live and enjoy life for the most part than play the safe route. I’m glad I listened to loud music and went for it even though I definitely have hearing loss now. Also I will just replace my ears with a better artificial option once that’s developed. I do think we’ll see that in our life times.
On Aug 27, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Angel <angel238@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
That is why I forbade my children from attending concerts featuring loud music. Though they don't exploit their hearing as much as do we who are totally blind, I felt all senses ought to be preserved and protected as much as was at all possible. As we each do all we can to protect our health. That we might lengthen and preserve the quality of our individual lives. Rush Limbaugh is an example of how well challenges can be overcome with modern technology. But, regardless its advancement, it can never compare with the job our natural sensesdo for us. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Granados" <scott@granados-llc.net> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones (was: teraterm)
What?
Speak louder!
:)
So that’s funny but we are very similar on this front. However, I definitely have lost hearing a lot of hearing at that. Lots of loud music, loud audio and for extended periods of time, probably 16+ hours per day for what 30 years or so? I was in the music game before network engineering and really blew out a lot of my hearing then mixing live shows and working in the studio. As you know your ears lose sensitivity over time so after say a 20 hour recording session you would find that you start the day at a nice low sound pressure level and by the end of the day you could drown out jet engines.:)
I do the same thing though now. I don’t like wearing a headset on both ears in the office because I can’t hear people walking up on me or standing outside my cube. I leave the cans on over my left ear and leave the right ear open to hear the environment around me.
You’re smart though being careful with your hearing. I was definitely the opposite of that and while I don’t regret a thing about it I know I have damaged my hearing pretty significantly.
Broadcasters run in to this a lot. Rush Limbaugh has an implant to restore his hearing from what I remember and it’s attributed to wearing headphones for an extended period at elevated levels.
On Aug 27, 2015, at 12:18 PM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
I'd prefer not to wear headphones because I figure that can't be good for your hearing. I know there are studies that show that listening to loud music with headphones damages your hearing. I am unaware of any studies that show that listening to speech at a normal level damages your hearing. But why take the chance?
Having said that though, I am wearing a headset right now. I don't want my co-workers listening over my shoulder as it were. I know they'd prefer not to listen but I figure sometimes they can't help it. It's not just that I don't want them knowing my business. I'm not going to listen to porn or anything. But if I'm struggling with something, I don't want them over hearing.
I've compromised on wearing my headset over just one ear. I always use my left ear so if I lose hearing in that ear, it will probably be because of the headset.
On 08/27/2015 10:07 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
That would be a fine thing if someone compromised a machine because they over heard a password on a screen reader. Wow! Imagine that one. I’ve never thought about it much but that’s a pretty big risk. I always use headphones which is probably why I never thought about it but if someone really wanted to they could probably pick up the signal from my cans.
Well
On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:04 AM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
I've been a linux user for a while now but when I used Windows and openssh, I had a problem in that jaws would speak my password as I typed it in. I wrote a jaws script to stop that. I don't know if it would still work but here it is:
http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/pub/program.jss
On 08/27/2015 05:34 AM, Jen Bottom wrote:
I have OpensSH installed on a Windows box at work and that works fine for connecting to other machines.
I use a 'config' file in my user's '.ssh' directory for managing keys etc.
I think iti came with GitBash, but you might well be able to get it via Chocolaty, if you kike that sort of package manager, or just download it from the net.
I used to use Putty for connecting in when working at home, but I found it a lot of faff. Give me a nice config file any day :)
Hope this helps, Jen!
On 8/24/15, Chris Nestrud <ccn@chrisnestrud.com> wrote: > Emphasis on the simple--they don't provide the insert-q info. > > If you press ctrl-shft-r, they should toggle between reading and ignoring > incoming text. > > The scripts are named "ssh" because that is what JFW is expecting for this > program. > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> wrote: >> >> Chris: >> >> I downloaded your scripts and SecureCRT, but have a question/problem. >> All the scripts are for ssh, but the SecureCRT program isn't called >> that. How do I know they're in service, especially since I didn't find >> any I didn't find any ScriptFileName function, so I put one in, and >> when I press JAWS Key Q, JAWS tells me I'm running the default >> scripts. >> >>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:57:11 -0500, you wrote: >>> >>> I use Secure CRT and some very simple JAWS scripts for screen echo that I >>> wrote and >>> placed here: >>> >>> http://chrisnestrud.com/projects/jfw/scrt >>> >>> Chris >>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:33:21PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote: >>>> I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't bad with >>>> the >>>> simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the net until >>>> you >>>> try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I think we >>>> probably have to find a different way to edit files on the remote >>>> machine >>>> though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to work >>>> good. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>> >>>> >>>> That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that mess. >>>> TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with PUTTY. >>>> >>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed >>>>> >>>>> -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >>>>> Fr?n: Blind-sysadmins >>>>> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] F?r Steve >>>>> Matzura >>>>> Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 >>>>> Till: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>>> ?mne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>>> >>>>> How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, and found >>>>> I >>>>> have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the other >>>>> system. >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, Secure >>>>>> CRT >>>>>> is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is very >>>>>> good >>>>>> though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including serial. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a simple >>>>>>> JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances which >>>>>>> make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with it. >>>>>>> Soon >>>>>>> as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll probably >>>>>>> ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something better, or >>>>>>> something that can be changed in the script I have for it, I'm all >>>>>>> about trying it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> TIA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >
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It is a wonderful thing not to regret the life lived. Your parents weren't totally blind, perhaps. That may have been a reason why they were so cavalier regarding the decibels to which your delicate ears were exposed. My son, after he became an adult broke a finger, and a small bone in his hand. He didn't set it a second time, after it was broken a second time in a bar fight over a woman. He claims he can work with it as it is, and everything. But, how will he feel in 40 or so years. When arthritis cripples his hand. Or causes him all sorts of pain. I had polio as a child. Which wasn't my fault, and would give a lot to have two equally well working hands and legs. There are so many things other totally blind people can do, and so many jobs they can fill, which I can not. Simply because they are so much more dexterous than am I. I would not want to purposefully jeopardize any sense, or bodily function. Artificial implants, and devices may suit some. But, in my opinion, no artificial device or implant will ever replace what nature has given us. Rush Limbaugh educated us who listen to his show about what it was like hearing through an implant. He put up an example on his site of sounds heard through one of those. I can see now, why some in the Deaf community object to having children implanted with them. Dialysis, also, in my opinion, is no real replacement for the kidney and all its functions. I don't think anything is worth the purposeful endangering of any of our senses. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Granados" <scott@granados-llc.net> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 8:50 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones (was: teraterm)
This sounds positively awful, I’m glad I had different parents.:) I love loud music, went to many concerts, did many drugs and don’t regret a thing. I’m glad I got to trip listening to the Grateful Dead live or fly on an ecstasy bender while sitting in the speaker box while the orb and the Future Sound of London did an 18 hour set.
Also, working in the studio work I did we would start the day with the sound pressure level pretty low but by the end of a 20+ hour session it was like a jet engine in the control room. Still, I’d rather live and enjoy life for the most part than play the safe route. I’m glad I listened to loud music and went for it even though I definitely have hearing loss now. Also I will just replace my ears with a better artificial option once that’s developed. I do think we’ll see that in our life times.
On Aug 27, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Angel <angel238@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
That is why I forbade my children from attending concerts featuring loud music. Though they don't exploit their hearing as much as do we who are totally blind, I felt all senses ought to be preserved and protected as much as was at all possible. As we each do all we can to protect our health. That we might lengthen and preserve the quality of our individual lives. Rush Limbaugh is an example of how well challenges can be overcome with modern technology. But, regardless its advancement, it can never compare with the job our natural sensesdo for us. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Granados" <scott@granados-llc.net> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones (was: teraterm)
What?
Speak louder!
:)
So that’s funny but we are very similar on this front. However, I definitely have lost hearing a lot of hearing at that. Lots of loud music, loud audio and for extended periods of time, probably 16+ hours per day for what 30 years or so? I was in the music game before network engineering and really blew out a lot of my hearing then mixing live shows and working in the studio. As you know your ears lose sensitivity over time so after say a 20 hour recording session you would find that you start the day at a nice low sound pressure level and by the end of the day you could drown out jet engines.:)
I do the same thing though now. I don’t like wearing a headset on both ears in the office because I can’t hear people walking up on me or standing outside my cube. I leave the cans on over my left ear and leave the right ear open to hear the environment around me.
You’re smart though being careful with your hearing. I was definitely the opposite of that and while I don’t regret a thing about it I know I have damaged my hearing pretty significantly.
Broadcasters run in to this a lot. Rush Limbaugh has an implant to restore his hearing from what I remember and it’s attributed to wearing headphones for an extended period at elevated levels.
On Aug 27, 2015, at 12:18 PM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
I'd prefer not to wear headphones because I figure that can't be good for your hearing. I know there are studies that show that listening to loud music with headphones damages your hearing. I am unaware of any studies that show that listening to speech at a normal level damages your hearing. But why take the chance?
Having said that though, I am wearing a headset right now. I don't want my co-workers listening over my shoulder as it were. I know they'd prefer not to listen but I figure sometimes they can't help it. It's not just that I don't want them knowing my business. I'm not going to listen to porn or anything. But if I'm struggling with something, I don't want them over hearing.
I've compromised on wearing my headset over just one ear. I always use my left ear so if I lose hearing in that ear, it will probably be because of the headset.
On 08/27/2015 10:07 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
That would be a fine thing if someone compromised a machine because they over heard a password on a screen reader. Wow! Imagine that one. I’ve never thought about it much but that’s a pretty big risk. I always use headphones which is probably why I never thought about it but if someone really wanted to they could probably pick up the signal from my cans.
Well
On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:04 AM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
I've been a linux user for a while now but when I used Windows and openssh, I had a problem in that jaws would speak my password as I typed it in. I wrote a jaws script to stop that. I don't know if it would still work but here it is:
http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/pub/program.jss
On 08/27/2015 05:34 AM, Jen Bottom wrote: > I have OpensSH installed on a Windows box at work and that works > fine > for connecting to other machines. > > I use a 'config' file in my user's '.ssh' directory for managing > keys etc. > > I think iti came with GitBash, but you might well be able to get it > via Chocolaty, if you kike that sort of package manager, or just > download it from the net. > > I used to use Putty for connecting in when working at home, but I > found it a lot of faff. Give me a nice config file any day :) > > Hope this helps, > Jen! > > On 8/24/15, Chris Nestrud <ccn@chrisnestrud.com> wrote: >> Emphasis on the simple--they don't provide the insert-q info. >> >> If you press ctrl-shft-r, they should toggle between reading and >> ignoring >> incoming text. >> >> The scripts are named "ssh" because that is what JFW is expecting >> for this >> program. >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Chris: >>> >>> I downloaded your scripts and SecureCRT, but have a >>> question/problem. >>> All the scripts are for ssh, but the SecureCRT program isn't >>> called >>> that. How do I know they're in service, especially since I didn't >>> find >>> any I didn't find any ScriptFileName function, so I put one in, >>> and >>> when I press JAWS Key Q, JAWS tells me I'm running the default >>> scripts. >>> >>>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:57:11 -0500, you wrote: >>>> >>>> I use Secure CRT and some very simple JAWS scripts for screen >>>> echo that I >>>> wrote and >>>> placed here: >>>> >>>> http://chrisnestrud.com/projects/jfw/scrt >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:33:21PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote: >>>>> I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't bad >>>>> with >>>>> the >>>>> simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the >>>>> net until >>>>> you >>>>> try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I >>>>> think we >>>>> probably have to find a different way to edit files on the >>>>> remote >>>>> machine >>>>> though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to >>>>> work >>>>> good. >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" >>>>> <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>> To: "Blind sysadmins list" >>>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that >>>>> mess. >>>>> TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with >>>>> PUTTY. >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >>>>>> Fr?n: Blind-sysadmins >>>>>> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] F?r >>>>>> Steve >>>>>> Matzura >>>>>> Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 >>>>>> Till: Blind sysadmins list >>>>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>>>> ?mne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>>>> >>>>>> How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, >>>>>> and found >>>>>> I >>>>>> have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the >>>>>> other >>>>>> system. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, >>>>>>> Secure >>>>>>> CRT >>>>>>> is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is >>>>>>> very >>>>>>> good >>>>>>> though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including >>>>>>> serial. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura >>>>>>>> <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a >>>>>>>> simple >>>>>>>> JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances >>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>> make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with >>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>> Soon >>>>>>>> as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll >>>>>>>> probably >>>>>>>> ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something >>>>>>>> better, or >>>>>>>> something that can be changed in the script I have for it, >>>>>>>> I'm all >>>>>>>> about trying it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> TIA >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >
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Listening to normal speech using head or ear phones will not damage hearing. Personally I loath hearing screen reader through external speakers. When I know those using them, and this includes me, could just as easily listen to them through ear or head phones. Sighted people object to olfactory assaults with aromas such as cigarette smoke and the smells of various perfumes. They object to overly loud music as well. So why do we offend them, and do we offend each other by forcing them to listen to screen readers. Which often are played at faster speeds than they are use to hearing. Causing them to equate what is intelligible speech, for our ears, with gibberish. I don't even allow them to hear my cellular phones screen reader. For the same reason. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G Heim" <jheim@math.wisc.edu> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 12:18 PM Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones (was: teraterm)
I'd prefer not to wear headphones because I figure that can't be good for your hearing. I know there are studies that show that listening to loud music with headphones damages your hearing. I am unaware of any studies that show that listening to speech at a normal level damages your hearing. But why take the chance?
Having said that though, I am wearing a headset right now. I don't want my co-workers listening over my shoulder as it were. I know they'd prefer not to listen but I figure sometimes they can't help it. It's not just that I don't want them knowing my business. I'm not going to listen to porn or anything. But if I'm struggling with something, I don't want them over hearing.
I've compromised on wearing my headset over just one ear. I always use my left ear so if I lose hearing in that ear, it will probably be because of the headset.
On 08/27/2015 10:07 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
That would be a fine thing if someone compromised a machine because they over heard a password on a screen reader. Wow! Imagine that one. I’ve never thought about it much but that’s a pretty big risk. I always use headphones which is probably why I never thought about it but if someone really wanted to they could probably pick up the signal from my cans.
Well
On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:04 AM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
I've been a linux user for a while now but when I used Windows and openssh, I had a problem in that jaws would speak my password as I typed it in. I wrote a jaws script to stop that. I don't know if it would still work but here it is:
http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/pub/program.jss
On 08/27/2015 05:34 AM, Jen Bottom wrote:
I have OpensSH installed on a Windows box at work and that works fine for connecting to other machines.
I use a 'config' file in my user's '.ssh' directory for managing keys etc.
I think iti came with GitBash, but you might well be able to get it via Chocolaty, if you kike that sort of package manager, or just download it from the net.
I used to use Putty for connecting in when working at home, but I found it a lot of faff. Give me a nice config file any day :)
Hope this helps, Jen!
On 8/24/15, Chris Nestrud <ccn@chrisnestrud.com> wrote:
Emphasis on the simple--they don't provide the insert-q info.
If you press ctrl-shft-r, they should toggle between reading and ignoring incoming text.
The scripts are named "ssh" because that is what JFW is expecting for this program.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> wrote:
Chris:
I downloaded your scripts and SecureCRT, but have a question/problem. All the scripts are for ssh, but the SecureCRT program isn't called that. How do I know they're in service, especially since I didn't find any I didn't find any ScriptFileName function, so I put one in, and when I press JAWS Key Q, JAWS tells me I'm running the default scripts.
> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:57:11 -0500, you wrote: > > I use Secure CRT and some very simple JAWS scripts for screen echo > that I > wrote and > placed here: > > http://chrisnestrud.com/projects/jfw/scrt > > Chris > >> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:33:21PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote: >> I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't bad >> with >> the >> simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the net >> until >> you >> try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I think >> we >> probably have to find a different way to edit files on the remote >> machine >> though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to work >> good. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" >> <sm@noisynotes.com> >> To: "Blind sysadmins list" >> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM >> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >> >> >> That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that >> mess. >> TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with >> PUTTY. >> >>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote: >>> >>> Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed >>> >>> -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >>> Fr?n: Blind-sysadmins >>> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] F?r Steve >>> Matzura >>> Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 >>> Till: Blind sysadmins list >>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>> ?mne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>> >>> How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, and >>> found >>> I >>> have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the other >>> system. >>> >>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote: >>>> >>>> Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, >>>> Secure >>>> CRT >>>> is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is >>>> very >>>> good >>>> though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including >>>> serial. >>>> >>>>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a >>>>> simple >>>>> JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances >>>>> which >>>>> make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with it. >>>>> Soon >>>>> as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll >>>>> probably >>>>> ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something better, >>>>> or >>>>> something that can be changed in the script I have for it, I'm >>>>> all >>>>> about trying it. >>>>> >>>>> TIA >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
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How do you know that listening to normal speech using head or ear phones will not damage hearing? On 08/27/2015 01:16 PM, Angel wrote:
Listening to normal speech using head or ear phones will not damage hearing. Personally I loath hearing screen reader through external speakers. When I know those using them, and this includes me, could just as easily listen to them through ear or head phones. Sighted people object to olfactory assaults with aromas such as cigarette smoke and the smells of various perfumes. They object to overly loud music as well. So why do we offend them, and do we offend each other by forcing them to listen to screen readers. Which often are played at faster speeds than they are use to hearing. Causing them to equate what is intelligible speech, for our ears, with gibberish. I don't even allow them to hear my cellular phones screen reader. For the same reason. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G Heim" <jheim@math.wisc.edu> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 12:18 PM Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones (was: teraterm)
I'd prefer not to wear headphones because I figure that can't be good for your hearing. I know there are studies that show that listening to loud music with headphones damages your hearing. I am unaware of any studies that show that listening to speech at a normal level damages your hearing. But why take the chance?
Having said that though, I am wearing a headset right now. I don't want my co-workers listening over my shoulder as it were. I know they'd prefer not to listen but I figure sometimes they can't help it. It's not just that I don't want them knowing my business. I'm not going to listen to porn or anything. But if I'm struggling with something, I don't want them over hearing.
I've compromised on wearing my headset over just one ear. I always use my left ear so if I lose hearing in that ear, it will probably be because of the headset.
On 08/27/2015 10:07 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
That would be a fine thing if someone compromised a machine because they over heard a password on a screen reader. Wow! Imagine that one. I’ve never thought about it much but that’s a pretty big risk. I always use headphones which is probably why I never thought about it but if someone really wanted to they could probably pick up the signal from my cans.
Well
On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:04 AM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
I've been a linux user for a while now but when I used Windows and openssh, I had a problem in that jaws would speak my password as I typed it in. I wrote a jaws script to stop that. I don't know if it would still work but here it is:
http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/pub/program.jss
On 08/27/2015 05:34 AM, Jen Bottom wrote:
I have OpensSH installed on a Windows box at work and that works fine for connecting to other machines.
I use a 'config' file in my user's '.ssh' directory for managing keys etc.
I think iti came with GitBash, but you might well be able to get it via Chocolaty, if you kike that sort of package manager, or just download it from the net.
I used to use Putty for connecting in when working at home, but I found it a lot of faff. Give me a nice config file any day :)
Hope this helps, Jen!
On 8/24/15, Chris Nestrud <ccn@chrisnestrud.com> wrote:
Emphasis on the simple--they don't provide the insert-q info.
If you press ctrl-shft-r, they should toggle between reading and ignoring incoming text.
The scripts are named "ssh" because that is what JFW is expecting for this program.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> > wrote: > > Chris: > > I downloaded your scripts and SecureCRT, but have a > question/problem. > All the scripts are for ssh, but the SecureCRT program isn't called > that. How do I know they're in service, especially since I didn't > find > any I didn't find any ScriptFileName function, so I put one in, and > when I press JAWS Key Q, JAWS tells me I'm running the default > scripts. > >> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:57:11 -0500, you wrote: >> >> I use Secure CRT and some very simple JAWS scripts for screen >> echo that I >> wrote and >> placed here: >> >> http://chrisnestrud.com/projects/jfw/scrt >> >> Chris >> >>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:33:21PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote: >>> I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't >>> bad with >>> the >>> simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the >>> net until >>> you >>> try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I >>> think we >>> probably have to find a different way to edit files on the remote >>> machine >>> though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to >>> work >>> good. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" >>> <sm@noisynotes.com> >>> To: "Blind sysadmins list" >>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>> >>> >>> That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that >>> mess. >>> TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with >>> PUTTY. >>> >>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote: >>>> >>>> Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed >>>> >>>> -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >>>> Fr?n: Blind-sysadmins >>>> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] F?r >>>> Steve >>>> Matzura >>>> Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 >>>> Till: Blind sysadmins list >>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>> ?mne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>> >>>> How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, >>>> and found >>>> I >>>> have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the other >>>> system. >>>> >>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, >>>>> Secure >>>>> CRT >>>>> is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is >>>>> very >>>>> good >>>>> though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including >>>>> serial. >>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a >>>>>> simple >>>>>> JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances >>>>>> which >>>>>> make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with >>>>>> it. >>>>>> Soon >>>>>> as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll >>>>>> probably >>>>>> ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something >>>>>> better, or >>>>>> something that can be changed in the script I have for it, >>>>>> I'm all >>>>>> about trying it. >>>>>> >>>>>> TIA >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
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Common sense tells us overly loud music or sounds of other sorts will damage hearing. If heard over long periods of time. But, when even audiologists use head phones when conducting hearing tests. It seems to me to be a safe bet to use them for listening to sounds played at an average or at a lower volume level. I have been listening to ear and head phones at softer volumes for above 60 years, and they have done me no harm. Another advantage to listening to ones screen reader through head or ear phones is this: One can use ones audio speakers to listen to ones choice of music at the same time one does his computer work. Or one can record while multitasking. I often do that. I am doing it as I speak. There is a marvelous radio station which sort of plays 1960's acoustic folk music I enjoy particularly. It is the only one airing on the internet from the antartic. http://www.anetstation.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G Heim" <jheim@math.wisc.edu> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones
How do you know that listening to normal speech using head or ear phones will not damage hearing?
On 08/27/2015 01:16 PM, Angel wrote:
Listening to normal speech using head or ear phones will not damage hearing. Personally I loath hearing screen reader through external speakers. When I know those using them, and this includes me, could just as easily listen to them through ear or head phones. Sighted people object to olfactory assaults with aromas such as cigarette smoke and the smells of various perfumes. They object to overly loud music as well. So why do we offend them, and do we offend each other by forcing them to listen to screen readers. Which often are played at faster speeds than they are use to hearing. Causing them to equate what is intelligible speech, for our ears, with gibberish. I don't even allow them to hear my cellular phones screen reader. For the same reason. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G Heim" <jheim@math.wisc.edu> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 12:18 PM Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones (was: teraterm)
I'd prefer not to wear headphones because I figure that can't be good for your hearing. I know there are studies that show that listening to loud music with headphones damages your hearing. I am unaware of any studies that show that listening to speech at a normal level damages your hearing. But why take the chance?
Having said that though, I am wearing a headset right now. I don't want my co-workers listening over my shoulder as it were. I know they'd prefer not to listen but I figure sometimes they can't help it. It's not just that I don't want them knowing my business. I'm not going to listen to porn or anything. But if I'm struggling with something, I don't want them over hearing.
I've compromised on wearing my headset over just one ear. I always use my left ear so if I lose hearing in that ear, it will probably be because of the headset.
On 08/27/2015 10:07 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
That would be a fine thing if someone compromised a machine because they over heard a password on a screen reader. Wow! Imagine that one. I’ve never thought about it much but that’s a pretty big risk. I always use headphones which is probably why I never thought about it but if someone really wanted to they could probably pick up the signal from my cans.
Well
On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:04 AM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
I've been a linux user for a while now but when I used Windows and openssh, I had a problem in that jaws would speak my password as I typed it in. I wrote a jaws script to stop that. I don't know if it would still work but here it is:
http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/pub/program.jss
On 08/27/2015 05:34 AM, Jen Bottom wrote:
I have OpensSH installed on a Windows box at work and that works fine for connecting to other machines.
I use a 'config' file in my user's '.ssh' directory for managing keys etc.
I think iti came with GitBash, but you might well be able to get it via Chocolaty, if you kike that sort of package manager, or just download it from the net.
I used to use Putty for connecting in when working at home, but I found it a lot of faff. Give me a nice config file any day :)
Hope this helps, Jen!
On 8/24/15, Chris Nestrud <ccn@chrisnestrud.com> wrote: > Emphasis on the simple--they don't provide the insert-q info. > > If you press ctrl-shft-r, they should toggle between reading and > ignoring > incoming text. > > The scripts are named "ssh" because that is what JFW is expecting > for this > program. > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >> wrote: >> >> Chris: >> >> I downloaded your scripts and SecureCRT, but have a >> question/problem. >> All the scripts are for ssh, but the SecureCRT program isn't called >> that. How do I know they're in service, especially since I didn't >> find >> any I didn't find any ScriptFileName function, so I put one in, and >> when I press JAWS Key Q, JAWS tells me I'm running the default >> scripts. >> >>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:57:11 -0500, you wrote: >>> >>> I use Secure CRT and some very simple JAWS scripts for screen >>> echo that I >>> wrote and >>> placed here: >>> >>> http://chrisnestrud.com/projects/jfw/scrt >>> >>> Chris >>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:33:21PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote: >>>> I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't >>>> bad with >>>> the >>>> simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the >>>> net until >>>> you >>>> try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I >>>> think we >>>> probably have to find a different way to edit files on the remote >>>> machine >>>> though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to >>>> work >>>> good. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" >>>> <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>> To: "Blind sysadmins list" >>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>> >>>> >>>> That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that >>>> mess. >>>> TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with >>>> PUTTY. >>>> >>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed >>>>> >>>>> -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >>>>> Fr?n: Blind-sysadmins >>>>> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] F?r >>>>> Steve >>>>> Matzura >>>>> Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 >>>>> Till: Blind sysadmins list >>>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>>> ?mne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>>> >>>>> How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, >>>>> and found >>>>> I >>>>> have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the >>>>> other >>>>> system. >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, >>>>>> Secure >>>>>> CRT >>>>>> is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is >>>>>> very >>>>>> good >>>>>> though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including >>>>>> serial. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a >>>>>>> simple >>>>>>> JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances >>>>>>> which >>>>>>> make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with >>>>>>> it. >>>>>>> Soon >>>>>>> as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll >>>>>>> probably >>>>>>> ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something >>>>>>> better, or >>>>>>> something that can be changed in the script I have for it, >>>>>>> I'm all >>>>>>> about trying it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> TIA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >
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Angel, common sense does not dictate that listening to speech at normal volumes for long periods of time via headphones doesn't damage hearing. If it were that simple, experts wouldn't be cautioning against the use of ear buds. Volume is one factor but not the only factor. On 08/27/2015 09:07 PM, Angel wrote:
Common sense tells us overly loud music or sounds of other sorts will damage hearing. If heard over long periods of time. But, when even audiologists use head phones when conducting hearing tests. It seems to me to be a safe bet to use them for listening to sounds played at an average or at a lower volume level. I have been listening to ear and head phones at softer volumes for above 60 years, and they have done me no harm. Another advantage to listening to ones screen reader through head or ear phones is this: One can use ones audio speakers to listen to ones choice of music at the same time one does his computer work. Or one can record while multitasking. I often do that. I am doing it as I speak. There is a marvelous radio station which sort of plays 1960's acoustic folk music I enjoy particularly. It is the only one airing on the internet from the antartic. http://www.anetstation.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G Heim" <jheim@math.wisc.edu> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones
How do you know that listening to normal speech using head or ear phones will not damage hearing?
On 08/27/2015 01:16 PM, Angel wrote:
Listening to normal speech using head or ear phones will not damage hearing. Personally I loath hearing screen reader through external speakers. When I know those using them, and this includes me, could just as easily listen to them through ear or head phones. Sighted people object to olfactory assaults with aromas such as cigarette smoke and the smells of various perfumes. They object to overly loud music as well. So why do we offend them, and do we offend each other by forcing them to listen to screen readers. Which often are played at faster speeds than they are use to hearing. Causing them to equate what is intelligible speech, for our ears, with gibberish. I don't even allow them to hear my cellular phones screen reader. For the same reason. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G Heim" <jheim@math.wisc.edu> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 12:18 PM Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones (was: teraterm)
I'd prefer not to wear headphones because I figure that can't be good for your hearing. I know there are studies that show that listening to loud music with headphones damages your hearing. I am unaware of any studies that show that listening to speech at a normal level damages your hearing. But why take the chance?
Having said that though, I am wearing a headset right now. I don't want my co-workers listening over my shoulder as it were. I know they'd prefer not to listen but I figure sometimes they can't help it. It's not just that I don't want them knowing my business. I'm not going to listen to porn or anything. But if I'm struggling with something, I don't want them over hearing.
I've compromised on wearing my headset over just one ear. I always use my left ear so if I lose hearing in that ear, it will probably be because of the headset.
On 08/27/2015 10:07 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
That would be a fine thing if someone compromised a machine because they over heard a password on a screen reader. Wow! Imagine that one. I’ve never thought about it much but that’s a pretty big risk. I always use headphones which is probably why I never thought about it but if someone really wanted to they could probably pick up the signal from my cans.
Well
On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:04 AM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
I've been a linux user for a while now but when I used Windows and openssh, I had a problem in that jaws would speak my password as I typed it in. I wrote a jaws script to stop that. I don't know if it would still work but here it is:
http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/pub/program.jss
On 08/27/2015 05:34 AM, Jen Bottom wrote: > I have OpensSH installed on a Windows box at work and that works > fine > for connecting to other machines. > > I use a 'config' file in my user's '.ssh' directory for managing > keys etc. > > I think iti came with GitBash, but you might well be able to get it > via Chocolaty, if you kike that sort of package manager, or just > download it from the net. > > I used to use Putty for connecting in when working at home, but I > found it a lot of faff. Give me a nice config file any day :) > > Hope this helps, > Jen! > > On 8/24/15, Chris Nestrud <ccn@chrisnestrud.com> wrote: >> Emphasis on the simple--they don't provide the insert-q info. >> >> If you press ctrl-shft-r, they should toggle between reading and >> ignoring >> incoming text. >> >> The scripts are named "ssh" because that is what JFW is expecting >> for this >> program. >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Chris: >>> >>> I downloaded your scripts and SecureCRT, but have a >>> question/problem. >>> All the scripts are for ssh, but the SecureCRT program isn't >>> called >>> that. How do I know they're in service, especially since I didn't >>> find >>> any I didn't find any ScriptFileName function, so I put one in, >>> and >>> when I press JAWS Key Q, JAWS tells me I'm running the default >>> scripts. >>> >>>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:57:11 -0500, you wrote: >>>> >>>> I use Secure CRT and some very simple JAWS scripts for screen >>>> echo that I >>>> wrote and >>>> placed here: >>>> >>>> http://chrisnestrud.com/projects/jfw/scrt >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:33:21PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote: >>>>> I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't >>>>> bad with >>>>> the >>>>> simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the >>>>> net until >>>>> you >>>>> try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I >>>>> think we >>>>> probably have to find a different way to edit files on the >>>>> remote >>>>> machine >>>>> though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to >>>>> work >>>>> good. >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" >>>>> <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>> To: "Blind sysadmins list" >>>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that >>>>> mess. >>>>> TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with >>>>> PUTTY. >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >>>>>> Fr?n: Blind-sysadmins >>>>>> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] F?r >>>>>> Steve >>>>>> Matzura >>>>>> Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 >>>>>> Till: Blind sysadmins list >>>>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>>>> ?mne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>>>> >>>>>> How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, >>>>>> and found >>>>>> I >>>>>> have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the >>>>>> other >>>>>> system. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, >>>>>>> Secure >>>>>>> CRT >>>>>>> is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is >>>>>>> very >>>>>>> good >>>>>>> though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including >>>>>>> serial. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura >>>>>>>> <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a >>>>>>>> simple >>>>>>>> JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances >>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>> make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with >>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>> Soon >>>>>>>> as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll >>>>>>>> probably >>>>>>>> ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something >>>>>>>> better, or >>>>>>>> something that can be changed in the script I have for it, >>>>>>>> I'm all >>>>>>>> about trying it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> TIA >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >
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As one grows older one finds experts can be paid, or not paid to say all sorts of things. Whatever is ones opinion, one can always find an expert to support it. Thank goodness there is common sense, and more choices than ear buds from which to choose. When choosing the sorts of head, or ear phones one might choose to wear. For however long one might need to wear them. Even in the rehabilitation field, there are experts who will say all sorts of things which are being proved wrong by us blind people living and working in the real world. It wasn't so many decades ago, perhaps five decades, when highly respected mobility professionals were instructing us blind travelers to use white canes extending only to sternum height. Since we blind people have become more autonomous, we have discovered longer length canes are far superior to the shorter ones previously suggested by mobility professionals. Whose main concern seemed to be how the use of the white cane would effect moving through crowded places. Not seeming to understand that common sense of the blind individual would dictate how best to use the white cane in whatever situation in which he might find himself. This is but a single example of many, where experts were proven wrong about so many things effecting the ordinary lives of others. An extreme example of the ability to purchase expert opinion is in the you-tube example below. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKMn-_aQoPk In fact, it was people who dared to challenge expert opinion on just about everything who significantly changed the world. Their basic guide was common sense. Which isn't so common any longer. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G Heim" <jheim@math.wisc.edu> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones
Angel, common sense does not dictate that listening to speech at normal volumes for long periods of time via headphones doesn't damage hearing. If it were that simple, experts wouldn't be cautioning against the use of ear buds. Volume is one factor but not the only factor.
On 08/27/2015 09:07 PM, Angel wrote:
Common sense tells us overly loud music or sounds of other sorts will damage hearing. If heard over long periods of time. But, when even audiologists use head phones when conducting hearing tests. It seems to me to be a safe bet to use them for listening to sounds played at an average or at a lower volume level. I have been listening to ear and head phones at softer volumes for above 60 years, and they have done me no harm. Another advantage to listening to ones screen reader through head or ear phones is this: One can use ones audio speakers to listen to ones choice of music at the same time one does his computer work. Or one can record while multitasking. I often do that. I am doing it as I speak. There is a marvelous radio station which sort of plays 1960's acoustic folk music I enjoy particularly. It is the only one airing on the internet from the antartic. http://www.anetstation.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G Heim" <jheim@math.wisc.edu> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones
How do you know that listening to normal speech using head or ear phones will not damage hearing?
On 08/27/2015 01:16 PM, Angel wrote:
Listening to normal speech using head or ear phones will not damage hearing. Personally I loath hearing screen reader through external speakers. When I know those using them, and this includes me, could just as easily listen to them through ear or head phones. Sighted people object to olfactory assaults with aromas such as cigarette smoke and the smells of various perfumes. They object to overly loud music as well. So why do we offend them, and do we offend each other by forcing them to listen to screen readers. Which often are played at faster speeds than they are use to hearing. Causing them to equate what is intelligible speech, for our ears, with gibberish. I don't even allow them to hear my cellular phones screen reader. For the same reason. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G Heim" <jheim@math.wisc.edu> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 12:18 PM Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones (was: teraterm)
I'd prefer not to wear headphones because I figure that can't be good for your hearing. I know there are studies that show that listening to loud music with headphones damages your hearing. I am unaware of any studies that show that listening to speech at a normal level damages your hearing. But why take the chance?
Having said that though, I am wearing a headset right now. I don't want my co-workers listening over my shoulder as it were. I know they'd prefer not to listen but I figure sometimes they can't help it. It's not just that I don't want them knowing my business. I'm not going to listen to porn or anything. But if I'm struggling with something, I don't want them over hearing.
I've compromised on wearing my headset over just one ear. I always use my left ear so if I lose hearing in that ear, it will probably be because of the headset.
On 08/27/2015 10:07 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
That would be a fine thing if someone compromised a machine because they over heard a password on a screen reader. Wow! Imagine that one. I’ve never thought about it much but that’s a pretty big risk. I always use headphones which is probably why I never thought about it but if someone really wanted to they could probably pick up the signal from my cans.
Well > On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:04 AM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> > wrote: > > I've been a linux user for a while now but when I used Windows and > openssh, I had a problem in that jaws would speak my password as I > typed it in. I wrote a jaws script to stop that. I don't know if it > would still work but here it is: > > http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/pub/program.jss > > > On 08/27/2015 05:34 AM, Jen Bottom wrote: >> I have OpensSH installed on a Windows box at work and that works >> fine >> for connecting to other machines. >> >> I use a 'config' file in my user's '.ssh' directory for managing >> keys etc. >> >> I think iti came with GitBash, but you might well be able to get it >> via Chocolaty, if you kike that sort of package manager, or just >> download it from the net. >> >> I used to use Putty for connecting in when working at home, but I >> found it a lot of faff. Give me a nice config file any day :) >> >> Hope this helps, >> Jen! >> >> On 8/24/15, Chris Nestrud <ccn@chrisnestrud.com> wrote: >>> Emphasis on the simple--they don't provide the insert-q info. >>> >>> If you press ctrl-shft-r, they should toggle between reading and >>> ignoring >>> incoming text. >>> >>> The scripts are named "ssh" because that is what JFW is expecting >>> for this >>> program. >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Chris: >>>> >>>> I downloaded your scripts and SecureCRT, but have a >>>> question/problem. >>>> All the scripts are for ssh, but the SecureCRT program isn't >>>> called >>>> that. How do I know they're in service, especially since I didn't >>>> find >>>> any I didn't find any ScriptFileName function, so I put one in, >>>> and >>>> when I press JAWS Key Q, JAWS tells me I'm running the default >>>> scripts. >>>> >>>>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:57:11 -0500, you wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I use Secure CRT and some very simple JAWS scripts for screen >>>>> echo that I >>>>> wrote and >>>>> placed here: >>>>> >>>>> http://chrisnestrud.com/projects/jfw/scrt >>>>> >>>>> Chris >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:33:21PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote: >>>>>> I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't >>>>>> bad with >>>>>> the >>>>>> simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the >>>>>> net until >>>>>> you >>>>>> try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I >>>>>> think we >>>>>> probably have to find a different way to edit files on the >>>>>> remote >>>>>> machine >>>>>> though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to >>>>>> work >>>>>> good. >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" >>>>>> <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>>> To: "Blind sysadmins list" >>>>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that >>>>>> mess. >>>>>> TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with >>>>>> PUTTY. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >>>>>>> Fr?n: Blind-sysadmins >>>>>>> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] F?r >>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>> Matzura >>>>>>> Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 >>>>>>> Till: Blind sysadmins list >>>>>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>>>>> ?mne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, >>>>>>> and found >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the >>>>>>> other >>>>>>> system. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, >>>>>>>> Secure >>>>>>>> CRT >>>>>>>> is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is >>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>> though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including >>>>>>>> serial. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura >>>>>>>>> <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a >>>>>>>>> simple >>>>>>>>> JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances >>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>> make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with >>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>> Soon >>>>>>>>> as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll >>>>>>>>> probably >>>>>>>>> ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something >>>>>>>>> better, or >>>>>>>>> something that can be changed in the script I have for it, >>>>>>>>> I'm all >>>>>>>>> about trying it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> TIA >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> > > -- > John Heim, jheim@math.wisc.edu, skype:john.g.heim > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
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For pete's sake, Angel. The point is that you don't have any factual reason to say that wearing headphones 8 hours a day is safe for your hearing. It may be, it may not. You said it was safe as if it was a fact. It's just not. On 08/28/2015 05:42 PM, Angel wrote:
As one grows older one finds experts can be paid, or not paid to say all sorts of things. Whatever is ones opinion, one can always find an expert to support it. Thank goodness there is common sense, and more choices than ear buds from which to choose. When choosing the sorts of head, or ear phones one might choose to wear. For however long one might need to wear them. Even in the rehabilitation field, there are experts who will say all sorts of things which are being proved wrong by us blind people living and working in the real world. It wasn't so many decades ago, perhaps five decades, when highly respected mobility professionals were instructing us blind travelers to use white canes extending only to sternum height. Since we blind people have become more autonomous, we have discovered longer length canes are far superior to the shorter ones previously suggested by mobility professionals. Whose main concern seemed to be how the use of the white cane would effect moving through crowded places. Not seeming to understand that common sense of the blind individual would dictate how best to use the white cane in whatever situation in which he might find himself. This is but a single example of many, where experts were proven wrong about so many things effecting the ordinary lives of others. An extreme example of the ability to purchase expert opinion is in the you-tube example below. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKMn-_aQoPk In fact, it was people who dared to challenge expert opinion on just about everything who significantly changed the world. Their basic guide was common sense. Which isn't so common any longer. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G Heim" <jheim@math.wisc.edu> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones
Angel, common sense does not dictate that listening to speech at normal volumes for long periods of time via headphones doesn't damage hearing. If it were that simple, experts wouldn't be cautioning against the use of ear buds. Volume is one factor but not the only factor.
On 08/27/2015 09:07 PM, Angel wrote:
Common sense tells us overly loud music or sounds of other sorts will damage hearing. If heard over long periods of time. But, when even audiologists use head phones when conducting hearing tests. It seems to me to be a safe bet to use them for listening to sounds played at an average or at a lower volume level. I have been listening to ear and head phones at softer volumes for above 60 years, and they have done me no harm. Another advantage to listening to ones screen reader through head or ear phones is this: One can use ones audio speakers to listen to ones choice of music at the same time one does his computer work. Or one can record while multitasking. I often do that. I am doing it as I speak. There is a marvelous radio station which sort of plays 1960's acoustic folk music I enjoy particularly. It is the only one airing on the internet from the antartic. http://www.anetstation.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G Heim" <jheim@math.wisc.edu> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones
How do you know that listening to normal speech using head or ear phones will not damage hearing?
On 08/27/2015 01:16 PM, Angel wrote:
Listening to normal speech using head or ear phones will not damage hearing. Personally I loath hearing screen reader through external speakers. When I know those using them, and this includes me, could just as easily listen to them through ear or head phones. Sighted people object to olfactory assaults with aromas such as cigarette smoke and the smells of various perfumes. They object to overly loud music as well. So why do we offend them, and do we offend each other by forcing them to listen to screen readers. Which often are played at faster speeds than they are use to hearing. Causing them to equate what is intelligible speech, for our ears, with gibberish. I don't even allow them to hear my cellular phones screen reader. For the same reason. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G Heim" <jheim@math.wisc.edu> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 12:18 PM Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones (was: teraterm)
I'd prefer not to wear headphones because I figure that can't be good for your hearing. I know there are studies that show that listening to loud music with headphones damages your hearing. I am unaware of any studies that show that listening to speech at a normal level damages your hearing. But why take the chance?
Having said that though, I am wearing a headset right now. I don't want my co-workers listening over my shoulder as it were. I know they'd prefer not to listen but I figure sometimes they can't help it. It's not just that I don't want them knowing my business. I'm not going to listen to porn or anything. But if I'm struggling with something, I don't want them over hearing.
I've compromised on wearing my headset over just one ear. I always use my left ear so if I lose hearing in that ear, it will probably be because of the headset.
On 08/27/2015 10:07 AM, Scott Granados wrote: > That would be a fine thing if someone compromised a machine because > they over heard a password on a screen reader. Wow! Imagine that > one. I’ve never thought about it much but that’s a pretty big > risk. > I always use headphones which is probably why I never thought about > it but if someone really wanted to they could probably pick up the > signal from my cans. > > > > Well >> On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:04 AM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> >> wrote: >> >> I've been a linux user for a while now but when I used Windows and >> openssh, I had a problem in that jaws would speak my password as I >> typed it in. I wrote a jaws script to stop that. I don't know >> if it >> would still work but here it is: >> >> http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/pub/program.jss >> >> >> On 08/27/2015 05:34 AM, Jen Bottom wrote: >>> I have OpensSH installed on a Windows box at work and that works >>> fine >>> for connecting to other machines. >>> >>> I use a 'config' file in my user's '.ssh' directory for managing >>> keys etc. >>> >>> I think iti came with GitBash, but you might well be able to >>> get it >>> via Chocolaty, if you kike that sort of package manager, or just >>> download it from the net. >>> >>> I used to use Putty for connecting in when working at home, but I >>> found it a lot of faff. Give me a nice config file any day :) >>> >>> Hope this helps, >>> Jen! >>> >>> On 8/24/15, Chris Nestrud <ccn@chrisnestrud.com> wrote: >>>> Emphasis on the simple--they don't provide the insert-q info. >>>> >>>> If you press ctrl-shft-r, they should toggle between reading and >>>> ignoring >>>> incoming text. >>>> >>>> The scripts are named "ssh" because that is what JFW is >>>> expecting >>>> for this >>>> program. >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Chris: >>>>> >>>>> I downloaded your scripts and SecureCRT, but have a >>>>> question/problem. >>>>> All the scripts are for ssh, but the SecureCRT program isn't >>>>> called >>>>> that. How do I know they're in service, especially since I >>>>> didn't >>>>> find >>>>> any I didn't find any ScriptFileName function, so I put one in, >>>>> and >>>>> when I press JAWS Key Q, JAWS tells me I'm running the default >>>>> scripts. >>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:57:11 -0500, you wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I use Secure CRT and some very simple JAWS scripts for screen >>>>>> echo that I >>>>>> wrote and >>>>>> placed here: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://chrisnestrud.com/projects/jfw/scrt >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:33:21PM -0500, Brent Harding >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't >>>>>>> bad with >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> net until >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I >>>>>>> think we >>>>>>> probably have to find a different way to edit files on the >>>>>>> remote >>>>>>> machine >>>>>>> though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for >>>>>>> TT to >>>>>>> work >>>>>>> good. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" >>>>>>> <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>>>> To: "Blind sysadmins list" >>>>>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> mess. >>>>>>> TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with >>>>>>> PUTTY. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >>>>>>>> Fr?n: Blind-sysadmins >>>>>>>> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] F?r >>>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>>> Matzura >>>>>>>> Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 >>>>>>>> Till: Blind sysadmins list >>>>>>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>>>>>> ?mne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried >>>>>>>> it, >>>>>>>> and found >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the >>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>> system. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, >>>>>>>>> Secure >>>>>>>>> CRT >>>>>>>>> is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. >>>>>>>>> Putty is >>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>> though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including >>>>>>>>> serial. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura >>>>>>>>>> <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? >>>>>>>>>> There's a >>>>>>>>>> simple >>>>>>>>>> JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and >>>>>>>>>> annoyances >>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>> make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done >>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>> Soon >>>>>>>>>> as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll >>>>>>>>>> probably >>>>>>>>>> ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something >>>>>>>>>> better, or >>>>>>>>>> something that can be changed in the script I have for it, >>>>>>>>>> I'm all >>>>>>>>>> about trying it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> TIA >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >> >> -- >> John Heim, jheim@math.wisc.edu, skype:john.g.heim >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >
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There are blind people who do it, and blind people whom I know who are retire who have done it. With no deleterious effects. Do you listen to audio books or music for long periods using head phones. I do, and enjoy the experience. I use them when doing work on my cell phone as well. Which is another reason I enjoy the privacy the abacus affords me. I don't have to allow anyone to hear my calculations. We all are blessed with opinions. some conflict. That is what makes the world what it is. I say, if you and your employers are content with whatever it is you are doing, than continue doing it. Stressing oneself over differences of opinion is far less safe than wearing ear or head phones for 8 hours daily. That alone can lead to violence. Because it causes heightened blood pressure, and can lead in the long run to strokes. I will stay away from a screen reader, which isn't my own,I can hear. Further I have complained to employers when I have heard them In non instructional situations. I don't know the outcomes of such complaints. As I have not returned to those offices. I would feel safer if I believed there might be less chance of hacking by those who might listen to what a person was doing on his work computer. you have my permission to allow everyone else in your environs to hear the screen reader you use. If it causes you less stress. Who cares in the end anyway. When a sighted person can look at ones monitor whenever he chooses, and electronic pickpockets can invade ones privacy by reading credit cards, stealing the identity of unsuspecting victims, It is just personal preference after all. I dare say, most sighted people won't really care whether they hear your screen reader or whether they don't. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G. Heim" <jheim@math.wisc.edu> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones
For pete's sake, Angel. The point is that you don't have any factual reason to say that wearing headphones 8 hours a day is safe for your hearing. It may be, it may not.
You said it was safe as if it was a fact. It's just not.
On 08/28/2015 05:42 PM, Angel wrote:
As one grows older one finds experts can be paid, or not paid to say all sorts of things. Whatever is ones opinion, one can always find an expert to support it. Thank goodness there is common sense, and more choices than ear buds from which to choose. When choosing the sorts of head, or ear phones one might choose to wear. For however long one might need to wear them. Even in the rehabilitation field, there are experts who will say all sorts of things which are being proved wrong by us blind people living and working in the real world. It wasn't so many decades ago, perhaps five decades, when highly respected mobility professionals were instructing us blind travelers to use white canes extending only to sternum height. Since we blind people have become more autonomous, we have discovered longer length canes are far superior to the shorter ones previously suggested by mobility professionals. Whose main concern seemed to be how the use of the white cane would effect moving through crowded places. Not seeming to understand that common sense of the blind individual would dictate how best to use the white cane in whatever situation in which he might find himself. This is but a single example of many, where experts were proven wrong about so many things effecting the ordinary lives of others. An extreme example of the ability to purchase expert opinion is in the you-tube example below. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKMn-_aQoPk In fact, it was people who dared to challenge expert opinion on just about everything who significantly changed the world. Their basic guide was common sense. Which isn't so common any longer. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G Heim" <jheim@math.wisc.edu> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones
Angel, common sense does not dictate that listening to speech at normal volumes for long periods of time via headphones doesn't damage hearing. If it were that simple, experts wouldn't be cautioning against the use of ear buds. Volume is one factor but not the only factor.
On 08/27/2015 09:07 PM, Angel wrote:
Common sense tells us overly loud music or sounds of other sorts will damage hearing. If heard over long periods of time. But, when even audiologists use head phones when conducting hearing tests. It seems to me to be a safe bet to use them for listening to sounds played at an average or at a lower volume level. I have been listening to ear and head phones at softer volumes for above 60 years, and they have done me no harm. Another advantage to listening to ones screen reader through head or ear phones is this: One can use ones audio speakers to listen to ones choice of music at the same time one does his computer work. Or one can record while multitasking. I often do that. I am doing it as I speak. There is a marvelous radio station which sort of plays 1960's acoustic folk music I enjoy particularly. It is the only one airing on the internet from the antartic. http://www.anetstation.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G Heim" <jheim@math.wisc.edu> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones
How do you know that listening to normal speech using head or ear phones will not damage hearing?
On 08/27/2015 01:16 PM, Angel wrote:
Listening to normal speech using head or ear phones will not damage hearing. Personally I loath hearing screen reader through external speakers. When I know those using them, and this includes me, could just as easily listen to them through ear or head phones. Sighted people object to olfactory assaults with aromas such as cigarette smoke and the smells of various perfumes. They object to overly loud music as well. So why do we offend them, and do we offend each other by forcing them to listen to screen readers. Which often are played at faster speeds than they are use to hearing. Causing them to equate what is intelligible speech, for our ears, with gibberish. I don't even allow them to hear my cellular phones screen reader. For the same reason. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G Heim" <jheim@math.wisc.edu> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 12:18 PM Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones (was: teraterm)
> I'd prefer not to wear headphones because I figure that can't be > good > for your hearing. I know there are studies that show that listening > to > loud music with headphones damages your hearing. I am unaware of any > studies that show that listening to speech at a normal level damages > your hearing. But why take the chance? > > Having said that though, I am wearing a headset right now. I don't > want my co-workers listening over my shoulder as it were. I know > they'd prefer not to listen but I figure sometimes they can't help > it. > It's not just that I don't want them knowing my business. I'm not > going to listen to porn or anything. But if I'm struggling with > something, I don't want them over hearing. > > I've compromised on wearing my headset over just one ear. I always > use > my left ear so if I lose hearing in that ear, it will probably be > because of the headset. > > > > > On 08/27/2015 10:07 AM, Scott Granados wrote: >> That would be a fine thing if someone compromised a machine because >> they over heard a password on a screen reader. Wow! Imagine that >> one. I’ve never thought about it much but that’s a pretty big >> risk. >> I always use headphones which is probably why I never thought about >> it but if someone really wanted to they could probably pick up the >> signal from my cans. >> >> >> >> Well >>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:04 AM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I've been a linux user for a while now but when I used Windows and >>> openssh, I had a problem in that jaws would speak my password as I >>> typed it in. I wrote a jaws script to stop that. I don't know if >>> it >>> would still work but here it is: >>> >>> http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/pub/program.jss >>> >>> >>> On 08/27/2015 05:34 AM, Jen Bottom wrote: >>>> I have OpensSH installed on a Windows box at work and that works >>>> fine >>>> for connecting to other machines. >>>> >>>> I use a 'config' file in my user's '.ssh' directory for managing >>>> keys etc. >>>> >>>> I think iti came with GitBash, but you might well be able to get >>>> it >>>> via Chocolaty, if you kike that sort of package manager, or just >>>> download it from the net. >>>> >>>> I used to use Putty for connecting in when working at home, but I >>>> found it a lot of faff. Give me a nice config file any day :) >>>> >>>> Hope this helps, >>>> Jen! >>>> >>>> On 8/24/15, Chris Nestrud <ccn@chrisnestrud.com> wrote: >>>>> Emphasis on the simple--they don't provide the insert-q info. >>>>> >>>>> If you press ctrl-shft-r, they should toggle between reading and >>>>> ignoring >>>>> incoming text. >>>>> >>>>> The scripts are named "ssh" because that is what JFW is >>>>> expecting >>>>> for this >>>>> program. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris: >>>>>> >>>>>> I downloaded your scripts and SecureCRT, but have a >>>>>> question/problem. >>>>>> All the scripts are for ssh, but the SecureCRT program isn't >>>>>> called >>>>>> that. How do I know they're in service, especially since I >>>>>> didn't >>>>>> find >>>>>> any I didn't find any ScriptFileName function, so I put one in, >>>>>> and >>>>>> when I press JAWS Key Q, JAWS tells me I'm running the default >>>>>> scripts. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:57:11 -0500, you wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I use Secure CRT and some very simple JAWS scripts for screen >>>>>>> echo that I >>>>>>> wrote and >>>>>>> placed here: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://chrisnestrud.com/projects/jfw/scrt >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:33:21PM -0500, Brent Harding >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't >>>>>>>> bad with >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> net until >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I >>>>>>>> think we >>>>>>>> probably have to find a different way to edit files on the >>>>>>>> remote >>>>>>>> machine >>>>>>>> though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> work >>>>>>>> good. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" >>>>>>>> <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>>>>> To: "Blind sysadmins list" >>>>>>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> mess. >>>>>>>> TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with >>>>>>>> PUTTY. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >>>>>>>>> Fr?n: Blind-sysadmins >>>>>>>>> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] F?r >>>>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>>>> Matzura >>>>>>>>> Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 >>>>>>>>> Till: Blind sysadmins list >>>>>>>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>>>>>>> ?mne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried >>>>>>>>> it, >>>>>>>>> and found >>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>> have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the >>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>> system. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, >>>>>>>>>> Secure >>>>>>>>>> CRT >>>>>>>>>> is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty >>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>>> though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including >>>>>>>>>> serial. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura >>>>>>>>>>> <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's >>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>> simple >>>>>>>>>>> JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and >>>>>>>>>>> annoyances >>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>> make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done >>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>>> Soon >>>>>>>>>>> as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll >>>>>>>>>>> probably >>>>>>>>>>> ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something >>>>>>>>>>> better, or >>>>>>>>>>> something that can be changed in the script I have for it, >>>>>>>>>>> I'm all >>>>>>>>>>> about trying it. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> TIA >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> John Heim, jheim@math.wisc.edu, skype:john.g.heim >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> > > -- > John Heim, jheim@math.wisc.edu, skype:john.g.heim > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >
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In fact Angel is dead wrong. There is evidence that use even at “normal levels” is damaging. The big problem is creep. Normal levels to start don’t mean you’ll be set at normal levels when you finish. Your ears tighten up and grow tired the more you use them in a single session. This means more gain and more sound pressure level and you get in a vicious circle.
On Aug 28, 2015, at 10:06 PM, John G. Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
For pete's sake, Angel. The point is that you don't have any factual reason to say that wearing headphones 8 hours a day is safe for your hearing. It may be, it may not.
You said it was safe as if it was a fact. It's just not.
On 08/28/2015 05:42 PM, Angel wrote:
As one grows older one finds experts can be paid, or not paid to say all sorts of things. Whatever is ones opinion, one can always find an expert to support it. Thank goodness there is common sense, and more choices than ear buds from which to choose. When choosing the sorts of head, or ear phones one might choose to wear. For however long one might need to wear them. Even in the rehabilitation field, there are experts who will say all sorts of things which are being proved wrong by us blind people living and working in the real world. It wasn't so many decades ago, perhaps five decades, when highly respected mobility professionals were instructing us blind travelers to use white canes extending only to sternum height. Since we blind people have become more autonomous, we have discovered longer length canes are far superior to the shorter ones previously suggested by mobility professionals. Whose main concern seemed to be how the use of the white cane would effect moving through crowded places. Not seeming to understand that common sense of the blind individual would dictate how best to use the white cane in whatever situation in which he might find himself. This is but a single example of many, where experts were proven wrong about so many things effecting the ordinary lives of others. An extreme example of the ability to purchase expert opinion is in the you-tube example below. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKMn-_aQoPk In fact, it was people who dared to challenge expert opinion on just about everything who significantly changed the world. Their basic guide was common sense. Which isn't so common any longer. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G Heim" <jheim@math.wisc.edu> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones
Angel, common sense does not dictate that listening to speech at normal volumes for long periods of time via headphones doesn't damage hearing. If it were that simple, experts wouldn't be cautioning against the use of ear buds. Volume is one factor but not the only factor.
On 08/27/2015 09:07 PM, Angel wrote:
Common sense tells us overly loud music or sounds of other sorts will damage hearing. If heard over long periods of time. But, when even audiologists use head phones when conducting hearing tests. It seems to me to be a safe bet to use them for listening to sounds played at an average or at a lower volume level. I have been listening to ear and head phones at softer volumes for above 60 years, and they have done me no harm. Another advantage to listening to ones screen reader through head or ear phones is this: One can use ones audio speakers to listen to ones choice of music at the same time one does his computer work. Or one can record while multitasking. I often do that. I am doing it as I speak. There is a marvelous radio station which sort of plays 1960's acoustic folk music I enjoy particularly. It is the only one airing on the internet from the antartic. http://www.anetstation.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G Heim" <jheim@math.wisc.edu> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones
How do you know that listening to normal speech using head or ear phones will not damage hearing?
On 08/27/2015 01:16 PM, Angel wrote:
Listening to normal speech using head or ear phones will not damage hearing. Personally I loath hearing screen reader through external speakers. When I know those using them, and this includes me, could just as easily listen to them through ear or head phones. Sighted people object to olfactory assaults with aromas such as cigarette smoke and the smells of various perfumes. They object to overly loud music as well. So why do we offend them, and do we offend each other by forcing them to listen to screen readers. Which often are played at faster speeds than they are use to hearing. Causing them to equate what is intelligible speech, for our ears, with gibberish. I don't even allow them to hear my cellular phones screen reader. For the same reason. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G Heim" <jheim@math.wisc.edu> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 12:18 PM Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones (was: teraterm)
> I'd prefer not to wear headphones because I figure that can't be good > for your hearing. I know there are studies that show that listening to > loud music with headphones damages your hearing. I am unaware of any > studies that show that listening to speech at a normal level damages > your hearing. But why take the chance? > > Having said that though, I am wearing a headset right now. I don't > want my co-workers listening over my shoulder as it were. I know > they'd prefer not to listen but I figure sometimes they can't help it. > It's not just that I don't want them knowing my business. I'm not > going to listen to porn or anything. But if I'm struggling with > something, I don't want them over hearing. > > I've compromised on wearing my headset over just one ear. I always use > my left ear so if I lose hearing in that ear, it will probably be > because of the headset. > > > > > On 08/27/2015 10:07 AM, Scott Granados wrote: >> That would be a fine thing if someone compromised a machine because >> they over heard a password on a screen reader. Wow! Imagine that >> one. I’ve never thought about it much but that’s a pretty big risk. >> I always use headphones which is probably why I never thought about >> it but if someone really wanted to they could probably pick up the >> signal from my cans. >> >> >> >> Well >>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:04 AM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I've been a linux user for a while now but when I used Windows and >>> openssh, I had a problem in that jaws would speak my password as I >>> typed it in. I wrote a jaws script to stop that. I don't know if it >>> would still work but here it is: >>> >>> http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/pub/program.jss >>> >>> >>> On 08/27/2015 05:34 AM, Jen Bottom wrote: >>>> I have OpensSH installed on a Windows box at work and that works >>>> fine >>>> for connecting to other machines. >>>> >>>> I use a 'config' file in my user's '.ssh' directory for managing >>>> keys etc. >>>> >>>> I think iti came with GitBash, but you might well be able to get it >>>> via Chocolaty, if you kike that sort of package manager, or just >>>> download it from the net. >>>> >>>> I used to use Putty for connecting in when working at home, but I >>>> found it a lot of faff. Give me a nice config file any day :) >>>> >>>> Hope this helps, >>>> Jen! >>>> >>>> On 8/24/15, Chris Nestrud <ccn@chrisnestrud.com> wrote: >>>>> Emphasis on the simple--they don't provide the insert-q info. >>>>> >>>>> If you press ctrl-shft-r, they should toggle between reading and >>>>> ignoring >>>>> incoming text. >>>>> >>>>> The scripts are named "ssh" because that is what JFW is expecting >>>>> for this >>>>> program. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris: >>>>>> >>>>>> I downloaded your scripts and SecureCRT, but have a >>>>>> question/problem. >>>>>> All the scripts are for ssh, but the SecureCRT program isn't >>>>>> called >>>>>> that. How do I know they're in service, especially since I didn't >>>>>> find >>>>>> any I didn't find any ScriptFileName function, so I put one in, >>>>>> and >>>>>> when I press JAWS Key Q, JAWS tells me I'm running the default >>>>>> scripts. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:57:11 -0500, you wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I use Secure CRT and some very simple JAWS scripts for screen >>>>>>> echo that I >>>>>>> wrote and >>>>>>> placed here: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://chrisnestrud.com/projects/jfw/scrt >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:33:21PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote: >>>>>>>> I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't >>>>>>>> bad with >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the >>>>>>>> net until >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I >>>>>>>> think we >>>>>>>> probably have to find a different way to edit files on the >>>>>>>> remote >>>>>>>> machine >>>>>>>> though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to >>>>>>>> work >>>>>>>> good. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" >>>>>>>> <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>>>>> To: "Blind sysadmins list" >>>>>>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that >>>>>>>> mess. >>>>>>>> TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with >>>>>>>> PUTTY. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >>>>>>>>> Fr?n: Blind-sysadmins >>>>>>>>> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] F?r >>>>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>>>> Matzura >>>>>>>>> Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 >>>>>>>>> Till: Blind sysadmins list >>>>>>>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>>>>>>> ?mne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, >>>>>>>>> and found >>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>> have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the >>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>> system. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, >>>>>>>>>> Secure >>>>>>>>>> CRT >>>>>>>>>> is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is >>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>>> though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including >>>>>>>>>> serial. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura >>>>>>>>>>> <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a >>>>>>>>>>> simple >>>>>>>>>>> JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances >>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>> make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with >>>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>>> Soon >>>>>>>>>>> as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll >>>>>>>>>>> probably >>>>>>>>>>> ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something >>>>>>>>>>> better, or >>>>>>>>>>> something that can be changed in the script I have for it, >>>>>>>>>>> I'm all >>>>>>>>>>> about trying it. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> TIA >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> John Heim, jheim@math.wisc.edu, skype:john.g.heim >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> > > -- > John Heim, jheim@math.wisc.edu, skype:john.g.heim > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >
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Scott, are you saying you've seen studies that show that wearing headphones 8 hours a day is damaging? I am not asking you to provide links, although that would be great. I'll take your word for it. I am just wondering if this has already been confirmed scientifically. If it has, I am going to run out and buy myself a pair of bone conducting headphones today. On 08/31/2015 07:57 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
In fact Angel is dead wrong. There is evidence that use even at “normal levels” is damaging.
The big problem is creep. Normal levels to start don’t mean you’ll be set at normal levels when you finish. Your ears tighten up and grow tired the more you use them in a single session. This means more gain and more sound pressure level and you get in a vicious circle.
On Aug 28, 2015, at 10:06 PM, John G. Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
For pete's sake, Angel. The point is that you don't have any factual reason to say that wearing headphones 8 hours a day is safe for your hearing. It may be, it may not.
You said it was safe as if it was a fact. It's just not.
On 08/28/2015 05:42 PM, Angel wrote:
As one grows older one finds experts can be paid, or not paid to say all sorts of things. Whatever is ones opinion, one can always find an expert to support it. Thank goodness there is common sense, and more choices than ear buds from which to choose. When choosing the sorts of head, or ear phones one might choose to wear. For however long one might need to wear them. Even in the rehabilitation field, there are experts who will say all sorts of things which are being proved wrong by us blind people living and working in the real world. It wasn't so many decades ago, perhaps five decades, when highly respected mobility professionals were instructing us blind travelers to use white canes extending only to sternum height. Since we blind people have become more autonomous, we have discovered longer length canes are far superior to the shorter ones previously suggested by mobility professionals. Whose main concern seemed to be how the use of the white cane would effect moving t h rough crowded places. Not seeming to understand that common sense of the blind individual would dictate how best to use the white cane in whatever situation in which he might find himself. This is but a single example of many, where experts were proven wrong about so many things effecting the ordinary lives of others. An extreme example of the ability to purchase expert opinion is in the you-tube example below. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKMn-_aQoPk In fact, it was people who dared to challenge expert opinion on just about everything who significantly changed the world. Their basic guide was common sense. Which isn't so common any longer. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G Heim" <jheim@math.wisc.edu> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones
Angel, common sense does not dictate that listening to speech at normal volumes for long periods of time via headphones doesn't damage hearing. If it were that simple, experts wouldn't be cautioning against the use of ear buds. Volume is one factor but not the only factor.
On 08/27/2015 09:07 PM, Angel wrote:
Common sense tells us overly loud music or sounds of other sorts will damage hearing. If heard over long periods of time. But, when even audiologists use head phones when conducting hearing tests. It seems to me to be a safe bet to use them for listening to sounds played at an average or at a lower volume level. I have been listening to ear and head phones at softer volumes for above 60 years, and they have done me no harm. Another advantage to listening to ones screen reader through head or ear phones is this: One can use ones audio speakers to listen to ones choice of music at the same time one does his computer work. Or one can record while multitasking. I often do that. I am doing it as I speak. There is a marvelous radio station which sort of plays 1960's acoustic folk music I enjoy particularly. It is the only one airing on the internet from the antartic. http://www.anetstation.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G Heim" <jheim@math.wisc.edu> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones
How do you know that listening to normal speech using head or ear phones will not damage hearing?
On 08/27/2015 01:16 PM, Angel wrote: > Listening to normal speech using head or ear phones will not damage > hearing. Personally I loath hearing screen reader through external > speakers. When I know those using them, and this includes me, could > just as easily listen to them through ear or head phones. Sighted > people object to olfactory assaults with aromas such as cigarette smoke > and the smells of various perfumes. They object to overly loud music as > well. So why do we offend them, and do we offend each other by forcing > them to listen to screen readers. Which often are played at faster > speeds than they are use to hearing. Causing them to equate what is > intelligible speech, for our ears, with gibberish. I don't even allow > them to hear my cellular phones screen reader. For the same reason. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G Heim" <jheim@math.wisc.edu> > To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> > Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 12:18 PM > Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones (was: teraterm) > > >> I'd prefer not to wear headphones because I figure that can't be good >> for your hearing. I know there are studies that show that listening to >> loud music with headphones damages your hearing. I am unaware of any >> studies that show that listening to speech at a normal level damages >> your hearing. But why take the chance? >> >> Having said that though, I am wearing a headset right now. I don't >> want my co-workers listening over my shoulder as it were. I know >> they'd prefer not to listen but I figure sometimes they can't help it. >> It's not just that I don't want them knowing my business. I'm not >> going to listen to porn or anything. But if I'm struggling with >> something, I don't want them over hearing. >> >> I've compromised on wearing my headset over just one ear. I always use >> my left ear so if I lose hearing in that ear, it will probably be >> because of the headset. >> >> >> >> >> On 08/27/2015 10:07 AM, Scott Granados wrote: >>> That would be a fine thing if someone compromised a machine because >>> they over heard a password on a screen reader. Wow! Imagine that >>> one. I’ve never thought about it much but that’s a pretty big risk. >>> I always use headphones which is probably why I never thought about >>> it but if someone really wanted to they could probably pick up the >>> signal from my cans. >>> >>> >>> >>> Well >>>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:04 AM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I've been a linux user for a while now but when I used Windows and >>>> openssh, I had a problem in that jaws would speak my password as I >>>> typed it in. I wrote a jaws script to stop that. I don't know if it >>>> would still work but here it is: >>>> >>>> http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/pub/program.jss >>>> >>>> >>>> On 08/27/2015 05:34 AM, Jen Bottom wrote: >>>>> I have OpensSH installed on a Windows box at work and that works >>>>> fine >>>>> for connecting to other machines. >>>>> >>>>> I use a 'config' file in my user's '.ssh' directory for managing >>>>> keys etc. >>>>> >>>>> I think iti came with GitBash, but you might well be able to get it >>>>> via Chocolaty, if you kike that sort of package manager, or just >>>>> download it from the net. >>>>> >>>>> I used to use Putty for connecting in when working at home, but I >>>>> found it a lot of faff. Give me a nice config file any day :) >>>>> >>>>> Hope this helps, >>>>> Jen! >>>>> >>>>> On 8/24/15, Chris Nestrud <ccn@chrisnestrud.com> wrote: >>>>>> Emphasis on the simple--they don't provide the insert-q info. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you press ctrl-shft-r, they should toggle between reading and >>>>>> ignoring >>>>>> incoming text. >>>>>> >>>>>> The scripts are named "ssh" because that is what JFW is expecting >>>>>> for this >>>>>> program. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Chris: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I downloaded your scripts and SecureCRT, but have a >>>>>>> question/problem. >>>>>>> All the scripts are for ssh, but the SecureCRT program isn't >>>>>>> called >>>>>>> that. How do I know they're in service, especially since I didn't >>>>>>> find >>>>>>> any I didn't find any ScriptFileName function, so I put one in, >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> when I press JAWS Key Q, JAWS tells me I'm running the default >>>>>>> scripts. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:57:11 -0500, you wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I use Secure CRT and some very simple JAWS scripts for screen >>>>>>>> echo that I >>>>>>>> wrote and >>>>>>>> placed here: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://chrisnestrud.com/projects/jfw/scrt >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:33:21PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote: >>>>>>>>> I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't >>>>>>>>> bad with >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the >>>>>>>>> net until >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I >>>>>>>>> think we >>>>>>>>> probably have to find a different way to edit files on the >>>>>>>>> remote >>>>>>>>> machine >>>>>>>>> though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to >>>>>>>>> work >>>>>>>>> good. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" >>>>>>>>> <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>>>>>> To: "Blind sysadmins list" >>>>>>>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that >>>>>>>>> mess. >>>>>>>>> TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with >>>>>>>>> PUTTY. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >>>>>>>>>> Fr?n: Blind-sysadmins >>>>>>>>>> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] F?r >>>>>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>>>>> Matzura >>>>>>>>>> Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 >>>>>>>>>> Till: Blind sysadmins list >>>>>>>>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>>>>>>>> ?mne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, >>>>>>>>>> and found >>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>> have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the >>>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>>> system. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, >>>>>>>>>>> Secure >>>>>>>>>>> CRT >>>>>>>>>>> is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is >>>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>>>> though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including >>>>>>>>>>> serial. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura >>>>>>>>>>>> <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a >>>>>>>>>>>> simple >>>>>>>>>>>> JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances >>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>> make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with >>>>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>>>> Soon >>>>>>>>>>>> as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll >>>>>>>>>>>> probably >>>>>>>>>>>> ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something >>>>>>>>>>>> better, or >>>>>>>>>>>> something that can be changed in the script I have for it, >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm all >>>>>>>>>>>> about trying it. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> TIA >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> John Heim, jheim@math.wisc.edu, skype:john.g.heim >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >> >> -- >> John Heim, jheim@math.wisc.edu, skype:john.g.heim >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
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I have been told this in broadcasting circles but I do not have evidence to support the argument to be fair only what I’ve heard second hand from broadcasters or broadcast engineers. An audiologist would be helpful here probably to answer these questions definitively.
On Aug 31, 2015, at 9:36 AM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
Scott, are you saying you've seen studies that show that wearing headphones 8 hours a day is damaging? I am not asking you to provide links, although that would be great. I'll take your word for it. I am just wondering if this has already been confirmed scientifically. If it has, I am going to run out and buy myself a pair of bone conducting headphones today.
On 08/31/2015 07:57 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
In fact Angel is dead wrong. There is evidence that use even at “normal levels” is damaging.
The big problem is creep. Normal levels to start don’t mean you’ll be set at normal levels when you finish. Your ears tighten up and grow tired the more you use them in a single session. This means more gain and more sound pressure level and you get in a vicious circle.
On Aug 28, 2015, at 10:06 PM, John G. Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
For pete's sake, Angel. The point is that you don't have any factual reason to say that wearing headphones 8 hours a day is safe for your hearing. It may be, it may not.
You said it was safe as if it was a fact. It's just not.
On 08/28/2015 05:42 PM, Angel wrote:
As one grows older one finds experts can be paid, or not paid to say all sorts of things. Whatever is ones opinion, one can always find an expert to support it. Thank goodness there is common sense, and more choices than ear buds from which to choose. When choosing the sorts of head, or ear phones one might choose to wear. For however long one might need to wear them. Even in the rehabilitation field, there are experts who will say all sorts of things which are being proved wrong by us blind people living and working in the real world. It wasn't so many decades ago, perhaps five decades, when highly respected mobility professionals were instructing us blind travelers to use white canes extending only to sternum height. Since we blind people have become more autonomous, we have discovered longer length canes are far superior to the shorter ones previously suggested by mobility professionals. Whose main concern seemed to be how the use of the white cane would effect moving t h rough crowded places. Not seeming to understand that common sense of the blind individual would dictate how best to use the white cane in whatever situation in which he might find himself. This is but a single example of many, where experts were proven wrong about so many things effecting the ordinary lives of others. An extreme example of the ability to purchase expert opinion is in the you-tube example below. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKMn-_aQoPk In fact, it was people who dared to challenge expert opinion on just about everything who significantly changed the world. Their basic guide was common sense. Which isn't so common any longer. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G Heim" <jheim@math.wisc.edu> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones
Angel, common sense does not dictate that listening to speech at normal volumes for long periods of time via headphones doesn't damage hearing. If it were that simple, experts wouldn't be cautioning against the use of ear buds. Volume is one factor but not the only factor.
On 08/27/2015 09:07 PM, Angel wrote:
Common sense tells us overly loud music or sounds of other sorts will damage hearing. If heard over long periods of time. But, when even audiologists use head phones when conducting hearing tests. It seems to me to be a safe bet to use them for listening to sounds played at an average or at a lower volume level. I have been listening to ear and head phones at softer volumes for above 60 years, and they have done me no harm. Another advantage to listening to ones screen reader through head or ear phones is this: One can use ones audio speakers to listen to ones choice of music at the same time one does his computer work. Or one can record while multitasking. I often do that. I am doing it as I speak. There is a marvelous radio station which sort of plays 1960's acoustic folk music I enjoy particularly. It is the only one airing on the internet from the antartic. http://www.anetstation.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G Heim" <jheim@math.wisc.edu> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones
> How do you know that listening to normal speech using head or ear > phones will not damage hearing? > > > On 08/27/2015 01:16 PM, Angel wrote: >> Listening to normal speech using head or ear phones will not damage >> hearing. Personally I loath hearing screen reader through external >> speakers. When I know those using them, and this includes me, could >> just as easily listen to them through ear or head phones. Sighted >> people object to olfactory assaults with aromas such as cigarette smoke >> and the smells of various perfumes. They object to overly loud music as >> well. So why do we offend them, and do we offend each other by forcing >> them to listen to screen readers. Which often are played at faster >> speeds than they are use to hearing. Causing them to equate what is >> intelligible speech, for our ears, with gibberish. I don't even allow >> them to hear my cellular phones screen reader. For the same reason. >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G Heim" <jheim@math.wisc.edu> >> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 12:18 PM >> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones (was: teraterm) >> >> >>> I'd prefer not to wear headphones because I figure that can't be good >>> for your hearing. I know there are studies that show that listening to >>> loud music with headphones damages your hearing. I am unaware of any >>> studies that show that listening to speech at a normal level damages >>> your hearing. But why take the chance? >>> >>> Having said that though, I am wearing a headset right now. I don't >>> want my co-workers listening over my shoulder as it were. I know >>> they'd prefer not to listen but I figure sometimes they can't help it. >>> It's not just that I don't want them knowing my business. I'm not >>> going to listen to porn or anything. But if I'm struggling with >>> something, I don't want them over hearing. >>> >>> I've compromised on wearing my headset over just one ear. I always use >>> my left ear so if I lose hearing in that ear, it will probably be >>> because of the headset. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 08/27/2015 10:07 AM, Scott Granados wrote: >>>> That would be a fine thing if someone compromised a machine because >>>> they over heard a password on a screen reader. Wow! Imagine that >>>> one. I’ve never thought about it much but that’s a pretty big risk. >>>> I always use headphones which is probably why I never thought about >>>> it but if someone really wanted to they could probably pick up the >>>> signal from my cans. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Well >>>>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:04 AM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I've been a linux user for a while now but when I used Windows and >>>>> openssh, I had a problem in that jaws would speak my password as I >>>>> typed it in. I wrote a jaws script to stop that. I don't know if it >>>>> would still work but here it is: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/pub/program.jss >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 08/27/2015 05:34 AM, Jen Bottom wrote: >>>>>> I have OpensSH installed on a Windows box at work and that works >>>>>> fine >>>>>> for connecting to other machines. >>>>>> >>>>>> I use a 'config' file in my user's '.ssh' directory for managing >>>>>> keys etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think iti came with GitBash, but you might well be able to get it >>>>>> via Chocolaty, if you kike that sort of package manager, or just >>>>>> download it from the net. >>>>>> >>>>>> I used to use Putty for connecting in when working at home, but I >>>>>> found it a lot of faff. Give me a nice config file any day :) >>>>>> >>>>>> Hope this helps, >>>>>> Jen! >>>>>> >>>>>> On 8/24/15, Chris Nestrud <ccn@chrisnestrud.com> wrote: >>>>>>> Emphasis on the simple--they don't provide the insert-q info. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you press ctrl-shft-r, they should toggle between reading and >>>>>>> ignoring >>>>>>> incoming text. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The scripts are named "ssh" because that is what JFW is expecting >>>>>>> for this >>>>>>> program. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Chris: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I downloaded your scripts and SecureCRT, but have a >>>>>>>> question/problem. >>>>>>>> All the scripts are for ssh, but the SecureCRT program isn't >>>>>>>> called >>>>>>>> that. How do I know they're in service, especially since I didn't >>>>>>>> find >>>>>>>> any I didn't find any ScriptFileName function, so I put one in, >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> when I press JAWS Key Q, JAWS tells me I'm running the default >>>>>>>> scripts. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:57:11 -0500, you wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I use Secure CRT and some very simple JAWS scripts for screen >>>>>>>>> echo that I >>>>>>>>> wrote and >>>>>>>>> placed here: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://chrisnestrud.com/projects/jfw/scrt >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:33:21PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote: >>>>>>>>>> I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't >>>>>>>>>> bad with >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the >>>>>>>>>> net until >>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>> try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I >>>>>>>>>> think we >>>>>>>>>> probably have to find a different way to edit files on the >>>>>>>>>> remote >>>>>>>>>> machine >>>>>>>>>> though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to >>>>>>>>>> work >>>>>>>>>> good. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" >>>>>>>>>> <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>>>>>>> To: "Blind sysadmins list" >>>>>>>>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that >>>>>>>>>> mess. >>>>>>>>>> TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with >>>>>>>>>> PUTTY. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >>>>>>>>>>> Fr?n: Blind-sysadmins >>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] F?r >>>>>>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>>>>>> Matzura >>>>>>>>>>> Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 >>>>>>>>>>> Till: Blind sysadmins list >>>>>>>>>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>>>>>>>>> ?mne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, >>>>>>>>>>> and found >>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>> have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the >>>>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>>>> system. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, >>>>>>>>>>>> Secure >>>>>>>>>>>> CRT >>>>>>>>>>>> is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is >>>>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>>>>> though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including >>>>>>>>>>>> serial. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura >>>>>>>>>>>>> <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a >>>>>>>>>>>>> simple >>>>>>>>>>>>> JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances >>>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>> make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with >>>>>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Soon >>>>>>>>>>>>> as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll >>>>>>>>>>>>> probably >>>>>>>>>>>>> ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something >>>>>>>>>>>>> better, or >>>>>>>>>>>>> something that can be changed in the script I have for it, >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm all >>>>>>>>>>>>> about trying it. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> TIA >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> John Heim, jheim@math.wisc.edu, skype:john.g.heim >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> John Heim, jheim@math.wisc.edu, skype:john.g.heim >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > > -- > John Heim, jheim@math.wisc.edu, skype:john.g.heim > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >
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John, I’m with myou my understanding is even at normal sound pressure levels you can have damage. Also, your ears tighten as time goes by and you end up turning up the gain to compensate. Listening to anything over time will cause you to turn up the gain.
On Aug 27, 2015, at 2:30 PM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
How do you know that listening to normal speech using head or ear phones will not damage hearing?
On 08/27/2015 01:16 PM, Angel wrote:
Listening to normal speech using head or ear phones will not damage hearing. Personally I loath hearing screen reader through external speakers. When I know those using them, and this includes me, could just as easily listen to them through ear or head phones. Sighted people object to olfactory assaults with aromas such as cigarette smoke and the smells of various perfumes. They object to overly loud music as well. So why do we offend them, and do we offend each other by forcing them to listen to screen readers. Which often are played at faster speeds than they are use to hearing. Causing them to equate what is intelligible speech, for our ears, with gibberish. I don't even allow them to hear my cellular phones screen reader. For the same reason. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G Heim" <jheim@math.wisc.edu> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 12:18 PM Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] headphones (was: teraterm)
I'd prefer not to wear headphones because I figure that can't be good for your hearing. I know there are studies that show that listening to loud music with headphones damages your hearing. I am unaware of any studies that show that listening to speech at a normal level damages your hearing. But why take the chance?
Having said that though, I am wearing a headset right now. I don't want my co-workers listening over my shoulder as it were. I know they'd prefer not to listen but I figure sometimes they can't help it. It's not just that I don't want them knowing my business. I'm not going to listen to porn or anything. But if I'm struggling with something, I don't want them over hearing.
I've compromised on wearing my headset over just one ear. I always use my left ear so if I lose hearing in that ear, it will probably be because of the headset.
On 08/27/2015 10:07 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
That would be a fine thing if someone compromised a machine because they over heard a password on a screen reader. Wow! Imagine that one. I’ve never thought about it much but that’s a pretty big risk. I always use headphones which is probably why I never thought about it but if someone really wanted to they could probably pick up the signal from my cans.
Well
On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:04 AM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
I've been a linux user for a while now but when I used Windows and openssh, I had a problem in that jaws would speak my password as I typed it in. I wrote a jaws script to stop that. I don't know if it would still work but here it is:
http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/pub/program.jss
On 08/27/2015 05:34 AM, Jen Bottom wrote:
I have OpensSH installed on a Windows box at work and that works fine for connecting to other machines.
I use a 'config' file in my user's '.ssh' directory for managing keys etc.
I think iti came with GitBash, but you might well be able to get it via Chocolaty, if you kike that sort of package manager, or just download it from the net.
I used to use Putty for connecting in when working at home, but I found it a lot of faff. Give me a nice config file any day :)
Hope this helps, Jen!
On 8/24/15, Chris Nestrud <ccn@chrisnestrud.com> wrote: > Emphasis on the simple--they don't provide the insert-q info. > > If you press ctrl-shft-r, they should toggle between reading and > ignoring > incoming text. > > The scripts are named "ssh" because that is what JFW is expecting > for this > program. > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >> wrote: >> >> Chris: >> >> I downloaded your scripts and SecureCRT, but have a >> question/problem. >> All the scripts are for ssh, but the SecureCRT program isn't called >> that. How do I know they're in service, especially since I didn't >> find >> any I didn't find any ScriptFileName function, so I put one in, and >> when I press JAWS Key Q, JAWS tells me I'm running the default >> scripts. >> >>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:57:11 -0500, you wrote: >>> >>> I use Secure CRT and some very simple JAWS scripts for screen >>> echo that I >>> wrote and >>> placed here: >>> >>> http://chrisnestrud.com/projects/jfw/scrt >>> >>> Chris >>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:33:21PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote: >>>> I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't >>>> bad with >>>> the >>>> simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the >>>> net until >>>> you >>>> try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I >>>> think we >>>> probably have to find a different way to edit files on the remote >>>> machine >>>> though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to >>>> work >>>> good. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" >>>> <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>> To: "Blind sysadmins list" >>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>> >>>> >>>> That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that >>>> mess. >>>> TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with >>>> PUTTY. >>>> >>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed >>>>> >>>>> -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >>>>> Fr?n: Blind-sysadmins >>>>> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] F?r >>>>> Steve >>>>> Matzura >>>>> Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 >>>>> Till: Blind sysadmins list >>>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>>> ?mne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>>> >>>>> How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, >>>>> and found >>>>> I >>>>> have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the other >>>>> system. >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, >>>>>> Secure >>>>>> CRT >>>>>> is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is >>>>>> very >>>>>> good >>>>>> though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including >>>>>> serial. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a >>>>>>> simple >>>>>>> JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances >>>>>>> which >>>>>>> make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with >>>>>>> it. >>>>>>> Soon >>>>>>> as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll >>>>>>> probably >>>>>>> ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something >>>>>>> better, or >>>>>>> something that can be changed in the script I have for it, >>>>>>> I'm all >>>>>>> about trying it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> TIA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >
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That isn't nearly as unlikely as it sounds. I heard people's voicemail passwords all the time at a Fortune 100 company because everybody checked their voicemail message on speakers. Anything's possible. On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 15:07:10 +0000, you wrote:
That would be a fine thing if someone compromised a machine because they over heard a password on a screen reader. Wow! Imagine that one. Ive never thought about it much but thats a pretty big risk. I always use headphones which is probably why I never thought about it but if someone really wanted to they could probably pick up the signal from my cans.
Well
On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:04 AM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
I've been a linux user for a while now but when I used Windows and openssh, I had a problem in that jaws would speak my password as I typed it in. I wrote a jaws script to stop that. I don't know if it would still work but here it is:
http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/pub/program.jss
On 08/27/2015 05:34 AM, Jen Bottom wrote:
I have OpensSH installed on a Windows box at work and that works fine for connecting to other machines.
I use a 'config' file in my user's '.ssh' directory for managing keys etc.
I think iti came with GitBash, but you might well be able to get it via Chocolaty, if you kike that sort of package manager, or just download it from the net.
I used to use Putty for connecting in when working at home, but I found it a lot of faff. Give me a nice config file any day :)
Hope this helps, Jen!
On 8/24/15, Chris Nestrud <ccn@chrisnestrud.com> wrote:
Emphasis on the simple--they don't provide the insert-q info.
If you press ctrl-shft-r, they should toggle between reading and ignoring incoming text.
The scripts are named "ssh" because that is what JFW is expecting for this program.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> wrote:
Chris:
I downloaded your scripts and SecureCRT, but have a question/problem. All the scripts are for ssh, but the SecureCRT program isn't called that. How do I know they're in service, especially since I didn't find any I didn't find any ScriptFileName function, so I put one in, and when I press JAWS Key Q, JAWS tells me I'm running the default scripts.
On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:57:11 -0500, you wrote:
I use Secure CRT and some very simple JAWS scripts for screen echo that I wrote and placed here:
http://chrisnestrud.com/projects/jfw/scrt
Chris
> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:33:21PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote: > I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't bad with > the > simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the net until > you > try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I think we > probably have to find a different way to edit files on the remote > machine > though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to work > good. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" <sm@noisynotes.com> > To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> > Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM > Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm > > > That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that mess. > TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with PUTTY. > >> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote: >> >> Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed >> >> -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >> Fr?n: Blind-sysadmins >> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] F?r Steve >> Matzura >> Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 >> Till: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >> ?mne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >> >> How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, and found >> I >> have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the other >> system. >> >>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote: >>> >>> Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, Secure >>> CRT >>> is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is very >>> good >>> though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including serial. >>> >>>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a simple >>>> JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances which >>>> make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with it. >>>> Soon >>>> as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll probably >>>> ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something better, or >>>> something that can be changed in the script I have for it, I'm all >>>> about trying it. >>>> >>>> TIA >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
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Then surprise at hacking ought not be as prevalent as it is. In fact, it should be expected. I know, some 40 or so years ago, I use to stand in the social security office, just memorizing the social security numbers told to receptionists when asked for them. There were blind youths who use to be very good at mimicking telephone tones to be able to call numbers, and to make illegal long distance telephone calls. Which is another reason audio privacy is important. We who are totally blind, having exceptional memories should be particularly aware of these sorts of things, I think. . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" <sm@noisynotes.com> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm That isn't nearly as unlikely as it sounds. I heard people's voicemail passwords all the time at a Fortune 100 company because everybody checked their voicemail message on speakers. Anything's possible. On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 15:07:10 +0000, you wrote:
That would be a fine thing if someone compromised a machine because they over heard a password on a screen reader. Wow! Imagine that one. I've never thought about it much but that's a pretty big risk. I always use headphones which is probably why I never thought about it but if someone really wanted to they could probably pick up the signal from my cans.
Well
On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:04 AM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
I've been a linux user for a while now but when I used Windows and openssh, I had a problem in that jaws would speak my password as I typed it in. I wrote a jaws script to stop that. I don't know if it would still work but here it is:
http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/pub/program.jss
On 08/27/2015 05:34 AM, Jen Bottom wrote:
I have OpensSH installed on a Windows box at work and that works fine for connecting to other machines.
I use a 'config' file in my user's '.ssh' directory for managing keys etc.
I think iti came with GitBash, but you might well be able to get it via Chocolaty, if you kike that sort of package manager, or just download it from the net.
I used to use Putty for connecting in when working at home, but I found it a lot of faff. Give me a nice config file any day :)
Hope this helps, Jen!
On 8/24/15, Chris Nestrud <ccn@chrisnestrud.com> wrote:
Emphasis on the simple--they don't provide the insert-q info.
If you press ctrl-shft-r, they should toggle between reading and ignoring incoming text.
The scripts are named "ssh" because that is what JFW is expecting for this program.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> wrote:
Chris:
I downloaded your scripts and SecureCRT, but have a question/problem. All the scripts are for ssh, but the SecureCRT program isn't called that. How do I know they're in service, especially since I didn't find any I didn't find any ScriptFileName function, so I put one in, and when I press JAWS Key Q, JAWS tells me I'm running the default scripts.
On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:57:11 -0500, you wrote:
I use Secure CRT and some very simple JAWS scripts for screen echo that I wrote and placed here:
http://chrisnestrud.com/projects/jfw/scrt
Chris
> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:33:21PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote: > I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't bad > with > the > simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the net > until > you > try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I think > we > probably have to find a different way to edit files on the remote > machine > though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to work > good. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" > <sm@noisynotes.com> > To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> > Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM > Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm > > > That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that mess. > TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with PUTTY. > >> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote: >> >> Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed >> >> -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >> Fr?n: Blind-sysadmins >> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] F?r Steve >> Matzura >> Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 >> Till: Blind sysadmins list >> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >> ?mne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >> >> How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, and >> found >> I >> have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the other >> system. >> >>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote: >>> >>> Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, Secure >>> CRT >>> is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is very >>> good >>> though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including serial. >>> >>>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a >>>> simple >>>> JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances which >>>> make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with it. >>>> Soon >>>> as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll probably >>>> ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something better, >>>> or >>>> something that can be changed in the script I have for it, I'm >>>> all >>>> about trying it. >>>> >>>> TIA >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
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There you hit on a sensitive note with me. It has never been proven, at least not to my satisfaction, that we have better anything than sighted people do. We just know how to use it, and they don't because they don't have to. You can see it in millennials now. Studies are already out that young people born after I think it's 1985 are already showing marked increases in memory problems. Why? Because they have iThis and iThat to do it for them. That technology is just now coming to us as well, and I fear we're in danger of falling into the same trap if we're not careful. Use it or lose it, I was always taught, and it's being made quite clear that those who aren't, are. I don't want to be in that number. On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 00:57:13 -0400, you wrote:
Then surprise at hacking ought not be as prevalent as it is. In fact, it should be expected. I know, some 40 or so years ago, I use to stand in the social security office, just memorizing the social security numbers told to receptionists when asked for them. There were blind youths who use to be very good at mimicking telephone tones to be able to call numbers, and to make illegal long distance telephone calls. Which is another reason audio privacy is important. We who are totally blind, having exceptional memories should be particularly aware of these sorts of things, I think. . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" <sm@noisynotes.com> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm
That isn't nearly as unlikely as it sounds. I heard people's voicemail passwords all the time at a Fortune 100 company because everybody checked their voicemail message on speakers. Anything's possible.
On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 15:07:10 +0000, you wrote:
That would be a fine thing if someone compromised a machine because they over heard a password on a screen reader. Wow! Imagine that one. I've never thought about it much but that's a pretty big risk. I always use headphones which is probably why I never thought about it but if someone really wanted to they could probably pick up the signal from my cans.
Well
On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:04 AM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
I've been a linux user for a while now but when I used Windows and openssh, I had a problem in that jaws would speak my password as I typed it in. I wrote a jaws script to stop that. I don't know if it would still work but here it is:
http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/pub/program.jss
On 08/27/2015 05:34 AM, Jen Bottom wrote:
I have OpensSH installed on a Windows box at work and that works fine for connecting to other machines.
I use a 'config' file in my user's '.ssh' directory for managing keys etc.
I think iti came with GitBash, but you might well be able to get it via Chocolaty, if you kike that sort of package manager, or just download it from the net.
I used to use Putty for connecting in when working at home, but I found it a lot of faff. Give me a nice config file any day :)
Hope this helps, Jen!
On 8/24/15, Chris Nestrud <ccn@chrisnestrud.com> wrote:
Emphasis on the simple--they don't provide the insert-q info.
If you press ctrl-shft-r, they should toggle between reading and ignoring incoming text.
The scripts are named "ssh" because that is what JFW is expecting for this program.
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On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> wrote:
Chris:
I downloaded your scripts and SecureCRT, but have a question/problem. All the scripts are for ssh, but the SecureCRT program isn't called that. How do I know they're in service, especially since I didn't find any I didn't find any ScriptFileName function, so I put one in, and when I press JAWS Key Q, JAWS tells me I'm running the default scripts.
> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:57:11 -0500, you wrote: > > I use Secure CRT and some very simple JAWS scripts for screen echo > that I > wrote and > placed here: > > http://chrisnestrud.com/projects/jfw/scrt > > Chris > >> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:33:21PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote: >> I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't bad >> with >> the >> simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the net >> until >> you >> try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I think >> we >> probably have to find a different way to edit files on the remote >> machine >> though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to work >> good. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" >> <sm@noisynotes.com> >> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM >> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >> >> >> That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that mess. >> TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with PUTTY. >> >>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote: >>> >>> Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed >>> >>> -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >>> Fr?n: Blind-sysadmins >>> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] F?r Steve >>> Matzura >>> Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 >>> Till: Blind sysadmins list >>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>> ?mne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>> >>> How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, and >>> found >>> I >>> have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the other >>> system. >>> >>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote: >>>> >>>> Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, Secure >>>> CRT >>>> is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is very >>>> good >>>> though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including serial. >>>> >>>>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a >>>>> simple >>>>> JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances which >>>>> make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with it. >>>>> Soon >>>>> as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll probably >>>>> ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something better, >>>>> or >>>>> something that can be changed in the script I have for it, I'm >>>>> all >>>>> about trying it. >>>>> >>>>> TIA >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
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Using headphones is fine if you're sitting at one computer all day. What if you have 2 or 3 computers to work on at once? There are lots of times when I am wearing 2 headsets, one over each ear. But it is quite difficult. And 3 is impossible. I even have a kvama switch but even that is inadequate for my job. On 08/27/2015 09:32 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:
That isn't nearly as unlikely as it sounds. I heard people's voicemail passwords all the time at a Fortune 100 company because everybody checked their voicemail message on speakers. Anything's possible.
On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 15:07:10 +0000, you wrote:
That would be a fine thing if someone compromised a machine because they over heard a password on a screen reader. Wow! Imagine that one. I’ve never thought about it much but that’s a pretty big risk. I always use headphones which is probably why I never thought about it but if someone really wanted to they could probably pick up the signal from my cans.
Well
On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:04 AM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
I've been a linux user for a while now but when I used Windows and openssh, I had a problem in that jaws would speak my password as I typed it in. I wrote a jaws script to stop that. I don't know if it would still work but here it is:
http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/pub/program.jss
On 08/27/2015 05:34 AM, Jen Bottom wrote:
I have OpensSH installed on a Windows box at work and that works fine for connecting to other machines.
I use a 'config' file in my user's '.ssh' directory for managing keys etc.
I think iti came with GitBash, but you might well be able to get it via Chocolaty, if you kike that sort of package manager, or just download it from the net.
I used to use Putty for connecting in when working at home, but I found it a lot of faff. Give me a nice config file any day :)
Hope this helps, Jen!
On 8/24/15, Chris Nestrud <ccn@chrisnestrud.com> wrote:
Emphasis on the simple--they don't provide the insert-q info.
If you press ctrl-shft-r, they should toggle between reading and ignoring incoming text.
The scripts are named "ssh" because that is what JFW is expecting for this program.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> wrote:
Chris:
I downloaded your scripts and SecureCRT, but have a question/problem. All the scripts are for ssh, but the SecureCRT program isn't called that. How do I know they're in service, especially since I didn't find any I didn't find any ScriptFileName function, so I put one in, and when I press JAWS Key Q, JAWS tells me I'm running the default scripts.
> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:57:11 -0500, you wrote: > > I use Secure CRT and some very simple JAWS scripts for screen echo that I > wrote and > placed here: > > http://chrisnestrud.com/projects/jfw/scrt > > Chris > >> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:33:21PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote: >> I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't bad with >> the >> simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the net until >> you >> try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I think we >> probably have to find a different way to edit files on the remote >> machine >> though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to work >> good. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" <sm@noisynotes.com> >> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM >> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >> >> >> That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that mess. >> TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with PUTTY. >> >>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote: >>> >>> Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed >>> >>> -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >>> Fr?n: Blind-sysadmins >>> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] F?r Steve >>> Matzura >>> Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 >>> Till: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>> ?mne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>> >>> How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, and found >>> I >>> have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the other >>> system. >>> >>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote: >>>> >>>> Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, Secure >>>> CRT >>>> is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is very >>>> good >>>> though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including serial. >>>> >>>>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a simple >>>>> JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances which >>>>> make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with it. >>>>> Soon >>>>> as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll probably >>>>> ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something better, or >>>>> something that can be changed in the script I have for it, I'm all >>>>> about trying it. >>>>> >>>>> TIA >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
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I use this combination every day: Grado Prestige Series SR60e Headphones Rolls MX44S Mini-Mix IV Mini 4 Channel Audio Mixer Mediabridge 3.5mm Male To Male Stereo Audio Cable (4 Feet) - Step Down Design This gives me four separate stereo inputs with volume controls going to one pair of comfortable headphones--great for a couple computers and a phone. The mixer is quite small, about the size of an old Braille 'n Speak. I usually have headphones over one ear and leave the other free. These cover the ears rather than surrounding them, so some outside sound gets through even when wearing them as intended. Chris On Fri, August 28, 2015 10:28 am, John G Heim wrote:
Using headphones is fine if you're sitting at one computer all day. What if you have 2 or 3 computers to work on at once? There are lots of times when I am wearing 2 headsets, one over each ear. But it is quite difficult. And 3 is impossible. I even have a kvama switch but even that is inadequate for my job.
On 08/27/2015 09:32 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:
That isn't nearly as unlikely as it sounds. I heard people's voicemail passwords all the time at a Fortune 100 company because everybody checked their voicemail message on speakers. Anything's possible.
On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 15:07:10 +0000, you wrote:
That would be a fine thing if someone compromised a machine because they over heard a password on a screen reader. Wow! Imagine that one. Ive never thought about it much but thats a pretty big risk. I always use headphones which is probably why I never thought about it but if someone really wanted to they could probably pick up the signal from my cans.
Well
On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:04 AM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
I've been a linux user for a while now but when I used Windows and openssh, I had a problem in that jaws would speak my password as I typed it in. I wrote a jaws script to stop that. I don't know if it would still work but here it is:
http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/pub/program.jss
On 08/27/2015 05:34 AM, Jen Bottom wrote:
I have OpensSH installed on a Windows box at work and that works fine for connecting to other machines.
I use a 'config' file in my user's '.ssh' directory for managing keys etc.
I think iti came with GitBash, but you might well be able to get it via Chocolaty, if you kike that sort of package manager, or just download it from the net.
I used to use Putty for connecting in when working at home, but I found it a lot of faff. Give me a nice config file any day :)
Hope this helps, Jen!
On 8/24/15, Chris Nestrud <ccn@chrisnestrud.com> wrote:
Emphasis on the simple--they don't provide the insert-q info.
If you press ctrl-shft-r, they should toggle between reading and ignoring incoming text.
The scripts are named "ssh" because that is what JFW is expecting for this program.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> > wrote: > > Chris: > > I downloaded your scripts and SecureCRT, but have a > question/problem. > All the scripts are for ssh, but the SecureCRT program isn't called > that. How do I know they're in service, especially since I didn't > find > any I didn't find any ScriptFileName function, so I put one in, and > when I press JAWS Key Q, JAWS tells me I'm running the default > scripts. > >> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:57:11 -0500, you wrote: >> >> I use Secure CRT and some very simple JAWS scripts for screen echo >> that I >> wrote and >> placed here: >> >> http://chrisnestrud.com/projects/jfw/scrt >> >> Chris >> >>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:33:21PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote: >>> I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't bad >>> with >>> the >>> simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the >>> net until >>> you >>> try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I >>> think we >>> probably have to find a different way to edit files on the remote >>> machine >>> though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to >>> work >>> good. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" >>> <sm@noisynotes.com> >>> To: "Blind sysadmins list" >>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>> >>> >>> That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that >>> mess. >>> TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with >>> PUTTY. >>> >>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote: >>>> >>>> Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed >>>> >>>> -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >>>> Fr?n: Blind-sysadmins >>>> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] F?r >>>> Steve >>>> Matzura >>>> Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 >>>> Till: Blind sysadmins list >>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>> ?mne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>> >>>> How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, >>>> and found >>>> I >>>> have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the >>>> other >>>> system. >>>> >>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, >>>>> Secure >>>>> CRT >>>>> is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is >>>>> very >>>>> good >>>>> though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including >>>>> serial. >>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a >>>>>> simple >>>>>> JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances >>>>>> which >>>>>> make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with >>>>>> it. >>>>>> Soon >>>>>> as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll >>>>>> probably >>>>>> ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something >>>>>> better, or >>>>>> something that can be changed in the script I have for it, I'm >>>>>> all >>>>>> about trying it. >>>>>> >>>>>> TIA >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
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In May I went from mostly working at home to cubicle hell where there are a hundred people or so around me. I use my old original aftershocks for the computer. I can deal with having them on my head for several hours a day without it being uncomfortable. I can also hear noise around me which is sometimes important if people are coming by to ask things or whatever. The mic on these old original ones was pretty awful so they aren't much good for use with the phone or whatever so this is a good use for these things. They do leak some but I don't need them loud to still hear the computer even with all the people talking around. Man lots of people in these places stand around a lot having conversations. Brian. Contact me on skype: brian.moore follow me on twitter: http://www.twitter.com/bmoore123 On 08/28/2015 3:21 PM, Chris Nestrud wrote:
I use this combination every day:
Grado Prestige Series SR60e Headphones
Rolls MX44S Mini-Mix IV Mini 4 Channel Audio Mixer
Mediabridge 3.5mm Male To Male Stereo Audio Cable (4 Feet) - Step Down Design
This gives me four separate stereo inputs with volume controls going to one pair of comfortable headphones--great for a couple computers and a phone. The mixer is quite small, about the size of an old Braille 'n Speak. I usually have headphones over one ear and leave the other free. These cover the ears rather than surrounding them, so some outside sound gets through even when wearing them as intended.
Chris
On Fri, August 28, 2015 10:28 am, John G Heim wrote:
Using headphones is fine if you're sitting at one computer all day. What if you have 2 or 3 computers to work on at once? There are lots of times when I am wearing 2 headsets, one over each ear. But it is quite difficult. And 3 is impossible. I even have a kvama switch but even that is inadequate for my job.
On 08/27/2015 09:32 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:
That isn't nearly as unlikely as it sounds. I heard people's voicemail passwords all the time at a Fortune 100 company because everybody checked their voicemail message on speakers. Anything's possible.
On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 15:07:10 +0000, you wrote:
That would be a fine thing if someone compromised a machine because they over heard a password on a screen reader. Wow! Imagine that one. I’ve never thought about it much but that’s a pretty big risk. I always use headphones which is probably why I never thought about it but if someone really wanted to they could probably pick up the signal from my cans.
Well
On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:04 AM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
I've been a linux user for a while now but when I used Windows and openssh, I had a problem in that jaws would speak my password as I typed it in. I wrote a jaws script to stop that. I don't know if it would still work but here it is:
http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/pub/program.jss
On 08/27/2015 05:34 AM, Jen Bottom wrote:
I have OpensSH installed on a Windows box at work and that works fine for connecting to other machines.
I use a 'config' file in my user's '.ssh' directory for managing keys etc.
I think iti came with GitBash, but you might well be able to get it via Chocolaty, if you kike that sort of package manager, or just download it from the net.
I used to use Putty for connecting in when working at home, but I found it a lot of faff. Give me a nice config file any day :)
Hope this helps, Jen!
On 8/24/15, Chris Nestrud <ccn@chrisnestrud.com> wrote: > Emphasis on the simple--they don't provide the insert-q info. > > If you press ctrl-shft-r, they should toggle between reading and > ignoring > incoming text. > > The scripts are named "ssh" because that is what JFW is expecting > for this > program. > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >> wrote: >> >> Chris: >> >> I downloaded your scripts and SecureCRT, but have a >> question/problem. >> All the scripts are for ssh, but the SecureCRT program isn't called >> that. How do I know they're in service, especially since I didn't >> find >> any I didn't find any ScriptFileName function, so I put one in, and >> when I press JAWS Key Q, JAWS tells me I'm running the default >> scripts. >> >>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:57:11 -0500, you wrote: >>> >>> I use Secure CRT and some very simple JAWS scripts for screen echo >>> that I >>> wrote and >>> placed here: >>> >>> http://chrisnestrud.com/projects/jfw/scrt >>> >>> Chris >>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:33:21PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote: >>>> I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't bad >>>> with >>>> the >>>> simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the >>>> net until >>>> you >>>> try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I >>>> think we >>>> probably have to find a different way to edit files on the remote >>>> machine >>>> though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to >>>> work >>>> good. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" >>>> <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>> To: "Blind sysadmins list" >>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>> >>>> >>>> That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that >>>> mess. >>>> TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with >>>> PUTTY. >>>> >>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed >>>>> >>>>> -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >>>>> Fr?n: Blind-sysadmins >>>>> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] F?r >>>>> Steve >>>>> Matzura >>>>> Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 >>>>> Till: Blind sysadmins list >>>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>>> ?mne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>>> >>>>> How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, >>>>> and found >>>>> I >>>>> have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the >>>>> other >>>>> system. >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, >>>>>> Secure >>>>>> CRT >>>>>> is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is >>>>>> very >>>>>> good >>>>>> though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including >>>>>> serial. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a >>>>>>> simple >>>>>>> JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances >>>>>>> which >>>>>>> make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with >>>>>>> it. >>>>>>> Soon >>>>>>> as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll >>>>>>> probably >>>>>>> ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something >>>>>>> better, or >>>>>>> something that can be changed in the script I have for it, I'm >>>>>>> all >>>>>>> about trying it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> TIA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
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I wonder how one would be able to feed the audio to a phone going this way? I thought that using a small mixer might be a better way to go than the one Plantronics dual model that is special order and unreturnable if it doesn't work with what one needs it to work with. For instance, what would one do to be able to use the iPhone and have a small mic work this way? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nestrud" <ccn@chrisnestrud.com> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm I use this combination every day: Grado Prestige Series SR60e Headphones Rolls MX44S Mini-Mix IV Mini 4 Channel Audio Mixer Mediabridge 3.5mm Male To Male Stereo Audio Cable (4 Feet) - Step Down Design This gives me four separate stereo inputs with volume controls going to one pair of comfortable headphones--great for a couple computers and a phone. The mixer is quite small, about the size of an old Braille 'n Speak. I usually have headphones over one ear and leave the other free. These cover the ears rather than surrounding them, so some outside sound gets through even when wearing them as intended. Chris On Fri, August 28, 2015 10:28 am, John G Heim wrote:
Using headphones is fine if you're sitting at one computer all day. What if you have 2 or 3 computers to work on at once? There are lots of times when I am wearing 2 headsets, one over each ear. But it is quite difficult. And 3 is impossible. I even have a kvama switch but even that is inadequate for my job.
On 08/27/2015 09:32 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:
That isn't nearly as unlikely as it sounds. I heard people's voicemail passwords all the time at a Fortune 100 company because everybody checked their voicemail message on speakers. Anything's possible.
On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 15:07:10 +0000, you wrote:
That would be a fine thing if someone compromised a machine because they over heard a password on a screen reader. Wow! Imagine that one. I've never thought about it much but that's a pretty big risk. I always use headphones which is probably why I never thought about it but if someone really wanted to they could probably pick up the signal from my cans.
Well
On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:04 AM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
I've been a linux user for a while now but when I used Windows and openssh, I had a problem in that jaws would speak my password as I typed it in. I wrote a jaws script to stop that. I don't know if it would still work but here it is:
http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/pub/program.jss
On 08/27/2015 05:34 AM, Jen Bottom wrote:
I have OpensSH installed on a Windows box at work and that works fine for connecting to other machines.
I use a 'config' file in my user's '.ssh' directory for managing keys etc.
I think iti came with GitBash, but you might well be able to get it via Chocolaty, if you kike that sort of package manager, or just download it from the net.
I used to use Putty for connecting in when working at home, but I found it a lot of faff. Give me a nice config file any day :)
Hope this helps, Jen!
On 8/24/15, Chris Nestrud <ccn@chrisnestrud.com> wrote:
Emphasis on the simple--they don't provide the insert-q info.
If you press ctrl-shft-r, they should toggle between reading and ignoring incoming text.
The scripts are named "ssh" because that is what JFW is expecting for this program.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> > wrote: > > Chris: > > I downloaded your scripts and SecureCRT, but have a > question/problem. > All the scripts are for ssh, but the SecureCRT program isn't called > that. How do I know they're in service, especially since I didn't > find > any I didn't find any ScriptFileName function, so I put one in, and > when I press JAWS Key Q, JAWS tells me I'm running the default > scripts. > >> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:57:11 -0500, you wrote: >> >> I use Secure CRT and some very simple JAWS scripts for screen echo >> that I >> wrote and >> placed here: >> >> http://chrisnestrud.com/projects/jfw/scrt >> >> Chris >> >>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:33:21PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote: >>> I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't bad >>> with >>> the >>> simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the >>> net until >>> you >>> try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I >>> think we >>> probably have to find a different way to edit files on the remote >>> machine >>> though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to >>> work >>> good. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" >>> <sm@noisynotes.com> >>> To: "Blind sysadmins list" >>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>> >>> >>> That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that >>> mess. >>> TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with >>> PUTTY. >>> >>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote: >>>> >>>> Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed >>>> >>>> -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >>>> Fr?n: Blind-sysadmins >>>> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] F?r >>>> Steve >>>> Matzura >>>> Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 >>>> Till: Blind sysadmins list >>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>> ?mne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>> >>>> How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, >>>> and found >>>> I >>>> have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the >>>> other >>>> system. >>>> >>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, >>>>> Secure >>>>> CRT >>>>> is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is >>>>> very >>>>> good >>>>> though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including >>>>> serial. >>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a >>>>>> simple >>>>>> JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances >>>>>> which >>>>>> make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with >>>>>> it. >>>>>> Soon >>>>>> as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll >>>>>> probably >>>>>> ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something >>>>>> better, or >>>>>> something that can be changed in the script I have for it, I'm >>>>>> all >>>>>> about trying it. >>>>>> >>>>>> TIA >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
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The iPhone will use its built-in mic if one is not present, so you can just have it sitting on your desk and the audio will go through the mixer to your headphones. Chris -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Brent Harding Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 3:48 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm I wonder how one would be able to feed the audio to a phone going this way? I thought that using a small mixer might be a better way to go than the one Plantronics dual model that is special order and unreturnable if it doesn't work with what one needs it to work with. For instance, what would one do to be able to use the iPhone and have a small mic work this way? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nestrud" <ccn@chrisnestrud.com> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm I use this combination every day: Grado Prestige Series SR60e Headphones Rolls MX44S Mini-Mix IV Mini 4 Channel Audio Mixer Mediabridge 3.5mm Male To Male Stereo Audio Cable (4 Feet) - Step Down Design This gives me four separate stereo inputs with volume controls going to one pair of comfortable headphones--great for a couple computers and a phone. The mixer is quite small, about the size of an old Braille 'n Speak. I usually have headphones over one ear and leave the other free. These cover the ears rather than surrounding them, so some outside sound gets through even when wearing them as intended. Chris On Fri, August 28, 2015 10:28 am, John G Heim wrote:
Using headphones is fine if you're sitting at one computer all day. What if you have 2 or 3 computers to work on at once? There are lots of times when I am wearing 2 headsets, one over each ear. But it is quite difficult. And 3 is impossible. I even have a kvama switch but even that is inadequate for my job.
On 08/27/2015 09:32 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:
That isn't nearly as unlikely as it sounds. I heard people's voicemail passwords all the time at a Fortune 100 company because everybody checked their voicemail message on speakers. Anything's possible.
On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 15:07:10 +0000, you wrote:
That would be a fine thing if someone compromised a machine because they over heard a password on a screen reader. Wow! Imagine that one. I've never thought about it much but that's a pretty big risk. I always use headphones which is probably why I never thought about it but if someone really wanted to they could probably pick up the signal from my cans.
Well
On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:04 AM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
I've been a linux user for a while now but when I used Windows and openssh, I had a problem in that jaws would speak my password as I typed it in. I wrote a jaws script to stop that. I don't know if it would still work but here it is:
http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/pub/program.jss
On 08/27/2015 05:34 AM, Jen Bottom wrote:
I have OpensSH installed on a Windows box at work and that works fine for connecting to other machines.
I use a 'config' file in my user's '.ssh' directory for managing keys etc.
I think iti came with GitBash, but you might well be able to get it via Chocolaty, if you kike that sort of package manager, or just download it from the net.
I used to use Putty for connecting in when working at home, but I found it a lot of faff. Give me a nice config file any day :)
Hope this helps, Jen!
On 8/24/15, Chris Nestrud <ccn@chrisnestrud.com> wrote:
Emphasis on the simple--they don't provide the insert-q info.
If you press ctrl-shft-r, they should toggle between reading and ignoring incoming text.
The scripts are named "ssh" because that is what JFW is expecting for this program.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> > wrote: > > Chris: > > I downloaded your scripts and SecureCRT, but have a > question/problem. > All the scripts are for ssh, but the SecureCRT program isn't called > that. How do I know they're in service, especially since I didn't > find > any I didn't find any ScriptFileName function, so I put one in, and > when I press JAWS Key Q, JAWS tells me I'm running the default > scripts. > >> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:57:11 -0500, you wrote: >> >> I use Secure CRT and some very simple JAWS scripts for screen echo >> that I >> wrote and >> placed here: >> >> http://chrisnestrud.com/projects/jfw/scrt >> >> Chris >> >>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:33:21PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote: >>> I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't bad >>> with >>> the >>> simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the >>> net until >>> you >>> try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I >>> think we >>> probably have to find a different way to edit files on the remote >>> machine >>> though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to >>> work >>> good. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" >>> <sm@noisynotes.com> >>> To: "Blind sysadmins list" >>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>> >>> >>> That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that >>> mess. >>> TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with >>> PUTTY. >>> >>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote: >>>> >>>> Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed >>>> >>>> -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >>>> Fr?n: Blind-sysadmins >>>> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] F?r >>>> Steve >>>> Matzura >>>> Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 >>>> Till: Blind sysadmins list >>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>> ?mne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>> >>>> How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, >>>> and found >>>> I >>>> have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the >>>> other >>>> system. >>>> >>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, >>>>> Secure >>>>> CRT >>>>> is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is >>>>> very >>>>> good >>>>> though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including >>>>> serial. >>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a >>>>>> simple >>>>>> JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances >>>>>> which >>>>>> make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with >>>>>> it. >>>>>> Soon >>>>>> as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll >>>>>> probably >>>>>> ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something >>>>>> better, or >>>>>> something that can be changed in the script I have for it, I'm >>>>>> all >>>>>> about trying it. >>>>>> >>>>>> TIA >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
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I see. I had always thought that plugging in a headset without a mic made the phone think it had one and disables the internal one. It's nice to know this wouldn't happen. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nestrud" <ccn@chrisnestrud.com> To: "'Blind sysadmins list'" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2015 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm
The iPhone will use its built-in mic if one is not present, so you can just have it sitting on your desk and the audio will go through the mixer to your headphones.
Chris
-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Brent Harding Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 3:48 PM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm
I wonder how one would be able to feed the audio to a phone going this way? I thought that using a small mixer might be a better way to go than the one Plantronics dual model that is special order and unreturnable if it doesn't work with what one needs it to work with. For instance, what would one do to
be able to use the iPhone and have a small mic work this way?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nestrud" <ccn@chrisnestrud.com> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm
I use this combination every day:
Grado Prestige Series SR60e Headphones
Rolls MX44S Mini-Mix IV Mini 4 Channel Audio Mixer
Mediabridge 3.5mm Male To Male Stereo Audio Cable (4 Feet) - Step Down Design
This gives me four separate stereo inputs with volume controls going to one pair of comfortable headphones--great for a couple computers and a phone. The mixer is quite small, about the size of an old Braille 'n Speak. I usually have headphones over one ear and leave the other free. These cover the ears rather than surrounding them, so some outside sound gets through even when wearing them as intended.
Chris
On Fri, August 28, 2015 10:28 am, John G Heim wrote:
Using headphones is fine if you're sitting at one computer all day. What if you have 2 or 3 computers to work on at once? There are lots of times when I am wearing 2 headsets, one over each ear. But it is quite difficult. And 3 is impossible. I even have a kvama switch but even that is inadequate for my job.
On 08/27/2015 09:32 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:
That isn't nearly as unlikely as it sounds. I heard people's voicemail passwords all the time at a Fortune 100 company because everybody checked their voicemail message on speakers. Anything's possible.
On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 15:07:10 +0000, you wrote:
That would be a fine thing if someone compromised a machine because they over heard a password on a screen reader. Wow! Imagine that one. I've never thought about it much but that's a pretty big risk. I always use headphones which is probably why I never thought about it but if someone really wanted to they could probably pick up the signal from my cans.
Well
On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:04 AM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
I've been a linux user for a while now but when I used Windows and openssh, I had a problem in that jaws would speak my password as I typed it in. I wrote a jaws script to stop that. I don't know if it would still work but here it is:
http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/pub/program.jss
On 08/27/2015 05:34 AM, Jen Bottom wrote:
I have OpensSH installed on a Windows box at work and that works fine for connecting to other machines.
I use a 'config' file in my user's '.ssh' directory for managing keys etc.
I think iti came with GitBash, but you might well be able to get it via Chocolaty, if you kike that sort of package manager, or just download it from the net.
I used to use Putty for connecting in when working at home, but I found it a lot of faff. Give me a nice config file any day :)
Hope this helps, Jen!
On 8/24/15, Chris Nestrud <ccn@chrisnestrud.com> wrote: > Emphasis on the simple--they don't provide the insert-q info. > > If you press ctrl-shft-r, they should toggle between reading and > ignoring > incoming text. > > The scripts are named "ssh" because that is what JFW is expecting > for this > program. > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >> wrote: >> >> Chris: >> >> I downloaded your scripts and SecureCRT, but have a >> question/problem. >> All the scripts are for ssh, but the SecureCRT program isn't called >> that. How do I know they're in service, especially since I didn't >> find >> any I didn't find any ScriptFileName function, so I put one in, and >> when I press JAWS Key Q, JAWS tells me I'm running the default >> scripts. >> >>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:57:11 -0500, you wrote: >>> >>> I use Secure CRT and some very simple JAWS scripts for screen echo >>> that I >>> wrote and >>> placed here: >>> >>> http://chrisnestrud.com/projects/jfw/scrt >>> >>> Chris >>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:33:21PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote: >>>> I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't bad >>>> with >>>> the >>>> simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the >>>> net until >>>> you >>>> try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I >>>> think we >>>> probably have to find a different way to edit files on the remote >>>> machine >>>> though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to >>>> work >>>> good. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" >>>> <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>> To: "Blind sysadmins list" >>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>> >>>> >>>> That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that >>>> mess. >>>> TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with >>>> PUTTY. >>>> >>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed >>>>> >>>>> -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >>>>> Fr?n: Blind-sysadmins >>>>> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] F?r >>>>> Steve >>>>> Matzura >>>>> Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 >>>>> Till: Blind sysadmins list >>>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>>> ?mne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>>> >>>>> How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, >>>>> and found >>>>> I >>>>> have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the >>>>> other >>>>> system. >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, >>>>>> Secure >>>>>> CRT >>>>>> is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is >>>>>> very >>>>>> good >>>>>> though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including >>>>>> serial. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a >>>>>>> simple >>>>>>> JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances >>>>>>> which >>>>>>> make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with >>>>>>> it. >>>>>>> Soon >>>>>>> as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll >>>>>>> probably >>>>>>> ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something >>>>>>> better, or >>>>>>> something that can be changed in the script I have for it, I'm >>>>>>> all >>>>>>> about trying it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> TIA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >
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There ya go! On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 14:21:45 -0500 (CDT), you wrote:
I use this combination every day:
Grado Prestige Series SR60e Headphones
Rolls MX44S Mini-Mix IV Mini 4 Channel Audio Mixer
Mediabridge 3.5mm Male To Male Stereo Audio Cable (4 Feet) - Step Down Design
This gives me four separate stereo inputs with volume controls going to one pair of comfortable headphones--great for a couple computers and a phone. The mixer is quite small, about the size of an old Braille 'n Speak. I usually have headphones over one ear and leave the other free. These cover the ears rather than surrounding them, so some outside sound gets through even when wearing them as intended.
Chris
On Fri, August 28, 2015 10:28 am, John G Heim wrote:
Using headphones is fine if you're sitting at one computer all day. What if you have 2 or 3 computers to work on at once? There are lots of times when I am wearing 2 headsets, one over each ear. But it is quite difficult. And 3 is impossible. I even have a kvama switch but even that is inadequate for my job.
On 08/27/2015 09:32 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:
That isn't nearly as unlikely as it sounds. I heard people's voicemail passwords all the time at a Fortune 100 company because everybody checked their voicemail message on speakers. Anything's possible.
On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 15:07:10 +0000, you wrote:
That would be a fine thing if someone compromised a machine because they over heard a password on a screen reader. Wow! Imagine that one. Ive never thought about it much but thats a pretty big risk. I always use headphones which is probably why I never thought about it but if someone really wanted to they could probably pick up the signal from my cans.
Well
On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:04 AM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
I've been a linux user for a while now but when I used Windows and openssh, I had a problem in that jaws would speak my password as I typed it in. I wrote a jaws script to stop that. I don't know if it would still work but here it is:
http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/pub/program.jss
On 08/27/2015 05:34 AM, Jen Bottom wrote:
I have OpensSH installed on a Windows box at work and that works fine for connecting to other machines.
I use a 'config' file in my user's '.ssh' directory for managing keys etc.
I think iti came with GitBash, but you might well be able to get it via Chocolaty, if you kike that sort of package manager, or just download it from the net.
I used to use Putty for connecting in when working at home, but I found it a lot of faff. Give me a nice config file any day :)
Hope this helps, Jen!
On 8/24/15, Chris Nestrud <ccn@chrisnestrud.com> wrote: > Emphasis on the simple--they don't provide the insert-q info. > > If you press ctrl-shft-r, they should toggle between reading and > ignoring > incoming text. > > The scripts are named "ssh" because that is what JFW is expecting > for this > program. > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >> wrote: >> >> Chris: >> >> I downloaded your scripts and SecureCRT, but have a >> question/problem. >> All the scripts are for ssh, but the SecureCRT program isn't called >> that. How do I know they're in service, especially since I didn't >> find >> any I didn't find any ScriptFileName function, so I put one in, and >> when I press JAWS Key Q, JAWS tells me I'm running the default >> scripts. >> >>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:57:11 -0500, you wrote: >>> >>> I use Secure CRT and some very simple JAWS scripts for screen echo >>> that I >>> wrote and >>> placed here: >>> >>> http://chrisnestrud.com/projects/jfw/scrt >>> >>> Chris >>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:33:21PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote: >>>> I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't bad >>>> with >>>> the >>>> simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the >>>> net until >>>> you >>>> try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I >>>> think we >>>> probably have to find a different way to edit files on the remote >>>> machine >>>> though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to >>>> work >>>> good. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" >>>> <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>> To: "Blind sysadmins list" >>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>> >>>> >>>> That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that >>>> mess. >>>> TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with >>>> PUTTY. >>>> >>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed >>>>> >>>>> -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >>>>> Fr?n: Blind-sysadmins >>>>> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] F?r >>>>> Steve >>>>> Matzura >>>>> Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 >>>>> Till: Blind sysadmins list >>>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>>> ?mne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>>> >>>>> How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, >>>>> and found >>>>> I >>>>> have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the >>>>> other >>>>> system. >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, >>>>>> Secure >>>>>> CRT >>>>>> is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is >>>>>> very >>>>>> good >>>>>> though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including >>>>>> serial. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a >>>>>>> simple >>>>>>> JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances >>>>>>> which >>>>>>> make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with >>>>>>> it. >>>>>>> Soon >>>>>>> as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll >>>>>>> probably >>>>>>> ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something >>>>>>> better, or >>>>>>> something that can be changed in the script I have for it, I'm >>>>>>> all >>>>>>> about trying it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> TIA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >
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Thank you again for this suggestion. This is good for different uses as well You people are so helpful. To someone with little computer knowledge. . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" <sm@noisynotes.com> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 10:20 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm There ya go! On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 14:21:45 -0500 (CDT), you wrote:
I use this combination every day:
Grado Prestige Series SR60e Headphones
Rolls MX44S Mini-Mix IV Mini 4 Channel Audio Mixer
Mediabridge 3.5mm Male To Male Stereo Audio Cable (4 Feet) - Step Down Design
This gives me four separate stereo inputs with volume controls going to one pair of comfortable headphones--great for a couple computers and a phone. The mixer is quite small, about the size of an old Braille 'n Speak. I usually have headphones over one ear and leave the other free. These cover the ears rather than surrounding them, so some outside sound gets through even when wearing them as intended.
Chris
On Fri, August 28, 2015 10:28 am, John G Heim wrote:
Using headphones is fine if you're sitting at one computer all day. What if you have 2 or 3 computers to work on at once? There are lots of times when I am wearing 2 headsets, one over each ear. But it is quite difficult. And 3 is impossible. I even have a kvama switch but even that is inadequate for my job.
On 08/27/2015 09:32 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:
That isn't nearly as unlikely as it sounds. I heard people's voicemail passwords all the time at a Fortune 100 company because everybody checked their voicemail message on speakers. Anything's possible.
On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 15:07:10 +0000, you wrote:
That would be a fine thing if someone compromised a machine because they over heard a password on a screen reader. Wow! Imagine that one. I've never thought about it much but that's a pretty big risk. I always use headphones which is probably why I never thought about it but if someone really wanted to they could probably pick up the signal from my cans.
Well
On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:04 AM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
I've been a linux user for a while now but when I used Windows and openssh, I had a problem in that jaws would speak my password as I typed it in. I wrote a jaws script to stop that. I don't know if it would still work but here it is:
http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/pub/program.jss
On 08/27/2015 05:34 AM, Jen Bottom wrote:
I have OpensSH installed on a Windows box at work and that works fine for connecting to other machines.
I use a 'config' file in my user's '.ssh' directory for managing keys etc.
I think iti came with GitBash, but you might well be able to get it via Chocolaty, if you kike that sort of package manager, or just download it from the net.
I used to use Putty for connecting in when working at home, but I found it a lot of faff. Give me a nice config file any day :)
Hope this helps, Jen!
On 8/24/15, Chris Nestrud <ccn@chrisnestrud.com> wrote: > Emphasis on the simple--they don't provide the insert-q info. > > If you press ctrl-shft-r, they should toggle between reading and > ignoring > incoming text. > > The scripts are named "ssh" because that is what JFW is expecting > for this > program. > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >> wrote: >> >> Chris: >> >> I downloaded your scripts and SecureCRT, but have a >> question/problem. >> All the scripts are for ssh, but the SecureCRT program isn't called >> that. How do I know they're in service, especially since I didn't >> find >> any I didn't find any ScriptFileName function, so I put one in, and >> when I press JAWS Key Q, JAWS tells me I'm running the default >> scripts. >> >>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:57:11 -0500, you wrote: >>> >>> I use Secure CRT and some very simple JAWS scripts for screen echo >>> that I >>> wrote and >>> placed here: >>> >>> http://chrisnestrud.com/projects/jfw/scrt >>> >>> Chris >>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:33:21PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote: >>>> I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't bad >>>> with >>>> the >>>> simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the >>>> net until >>>> you >>>> try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I >>>> think we >>>> probably have to find a different way to edit files on the remote >>>> machine >>>> though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to >>>> work >>>> good. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" >>>> <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>> To: "Blind sysadmins list" >>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>> >>>> >>>> That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that >>>> mess. >>>> TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with >>>> PUTTY. >>>> >>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed >>>>> >>>>> -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >>>>> Fr?n: Blind-sysadmins >>>>> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] F?r >>>>> Steve >>>>> Matzura >>>>> Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 >>>>> Till: Blind sysadmins list >>>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>>> ?mne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>>> >>>>> How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, >>>>> and found >>>>> I >>>>> have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the >>>>> other >>>>> system. >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, >>>>>> Secure >>>>>> CRT >>>>>> is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is >>>>>> very >>>>>> good >>>>>> though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including >>>>>> serial. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a >>>>>>> simple >>>>>>> JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances >>>>>>> which >>>>>>> make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with >>>>>>> it. >>>>>>> Soon >>>>>>> as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll >>>>>>> probably >>>>>>> ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something >>>>>>> better, or >>>>>>> something that can be changed in the script I have for it, I'm >>>>>>> all >>>>>>> about trying it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> TIA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >
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Everyone must make adjustments according to his occupation and life-style. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G Heim" <jheim@math.wisc.edu> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm Using headphones is fine if you're sitting at one computer all day. What if you have 2 or 3 computers to work on at once? There are lots of times when I am wearing 2 headsets, one over each ear. But it is quite difficult. And 3 is impossible. I even have a kvama switch but even that is inadequate for my job. On 08/27/2015 09:32 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:
That isn't nearly as unlikely as it sounds. I heard people's voicemail passwords all the time at a Fortune 100 company because everybody checked their voicemail message on speakers. Anything's possible.
On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 15:07:10 +0000, you wrote:
That would be a fine thing if someone compromised a machine because they over heard a password on a screen reader. Wow! Imagine that one. I’ve never thought about it much but that’s a pretty big risk. I always use headphones which is probably why I never thought about it but if someone really wanted to they could probably pick up the signal from my cans.
Well
On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:04 AM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
I've been a linux user for a while now but when I used Windows and openssh, I had a problem in that jaws would speak my password as I typed it in. I wrote a jaws script to stop that. I don't know if it would still work but here it is:
http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/pub/program.jss
On 08/27/2015 05:34 AM, Jen Bottom wrote:
I have OpensSH installed on a Windows box at work and that works fine for connecting to other machines.
I use a 'config' file in my user's '.ssh' directory for managing keys etc.
I think iti came with GitBash, but you might well be able to get it via Chocolaty, if you kike that sort of package manager, or just download it from the net.
I used to use Putty for connecting in when working at home, but I found it a lot of faff. Give me a nice config file any day :)
Hope this helps, Jen!
On 8/24/15, Chris Nestrud <ccn@chrisnestrud.com> wrote:
Emphasis on the simple--they don't provide the insert-q info.
If you press ctrl-shft-r, they should toggle between reading and ignoring incoming text.
The scripts are named "ssh" because that is what JFW is expecting for this program.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> wrote:
Chris:
I downloaded your scripts and SecureCRT, but have a question/problem. All the scripts are for ssh, but the SecureCRT program isn't called that. How do I know they're in service, especially since I didn't find any I didn't find any ScriptFileName function, so I put one in, and when I press JAWS Key Q, JAWS tells me I'm running the default scripts.
> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:57:11 -0500, you wrote: > > I use Secure CRT and some very simple JAWS scripts for screen echo > that I > wrote and > placed here: > > http://chrisnestrud.com/projects/jfw/scrt > > Chris > >> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:33:21PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote: >> I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't bad >> with >> the >> simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the net >> until >> you >> try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I think >> we >> probably have to find a different way to edit files on the remote >> machine >> though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to work >> good. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" >> <sm@noisynotes.com> >> To: "Blind sysadmins list" >> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM >> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >> >> >> That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that >> mess. >> TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with >> PUTTY. >> >>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote: >>> >>> Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed >>> >>> -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >>> Fr?n: Blind-sysadmins >>> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] F?r Steve >>> Matzura >>> Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 >>> Till: Blind sysadmins list >>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>> ?mne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>> >>> How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, and >>> found >>> I >>> have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the other >>> system. >>> >>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote: >>>> >>>> Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, >>>> Secure >>>> CRT >>>> is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is >>>> very >>>> good >>>> though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including >>>> serial. >>>> >>>>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a >>>>> simple >>>>> JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances >>>>> which >>>>> make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with it. >>>>> Soon >>>>> as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll >>>>> probably >>>>> ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something better, >>>>> or >>>>> something that can be changed in the script I have for it, I'm >>>>> all >>>>> about trying it. >>>>> >>>>> TIA >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
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Then get a KVMA switch. One keyboard, one set of headphones. Or, if you need to hear several things simultaneously, a headphone amp with several inputs is an expensive but fine solution. On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 10:28:39 -0500, you wrote:
Using headphones is fine if you're sitting at one computer all day. What if you have 2 or 3 computers to work on at once? There are lots of times when I am wearing 2 headsets, one over each ear. But it is quite difficult. And 3 is impossible. I even have a kvama switch but even that is inadequate for my job.
On 08/27/2015 09:32 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:
That isn't nearly as unlikely as it sounds. I heard people's voicemail passwords all the time at a Fortune 100 company because everybody checked their voicemail message on speakers. Anything's possible.
On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 15:07:10 +0000, you wrote:
That would be a fine thing if someone compromised a machine because they over heard a password on a screen reader. Wow! Imagine that one. Ive never thought about it much but thats a pretty big risk. I always use headphones which is probably why I never thought about it but if someone really wanted to they could probably pick up the signal from my cans.
Well
On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:04 AM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
I've been a linux user for a while now but when I used Windows and openssh, I had a problem in that jaws would speak my password as I typed it in. I wrote a jaws script to stop that. I don't know if it would still work but here it is:
http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/pub/program.jss
On 08/27/2015 05:34 AM, Jen Bottom wrote:
I have OpensSH installed on a Windows box at work and that works fine for connecting to other machines.
I use a 'config' file in my user's '.ssh' directory for managing keys etc.
I think iti came with GitBash, but you might well be able to get it via Chocolaty, if you kike that sort of package manager, or just download it from the net.
I used to use Putty for connecting in when working at home, but I found it a lot of faff. Give me a nice config file any day :)
Hope this helps, Jen!
On 8/24/15, Chris Nestrud <ccn@chrisnestrud.com> wrote:
Emphasis on the simple--they don't provide the insert-q info.
If you press ctrl-shft-r, they should toggle between reading and ignoring incoming text.
The scripts are named "ssh" because that is what JFW is expecting for this program.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> wrote: > > Chris: > > I downloaded your scripts and SecureCRT, but have a question/problem. > All the scripts are for ssh, but the SecureCRT program isn't called > that. How do I know they're in service, especially since I didn't find > any I didn't find any ScriptFileName function, so I put one in, and > when I press JAWS Key Q, JAWS tells me I'm running the default > scripts. > >> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:57:11 -0500, you wrote: >> >> I use Secure CRT and some very simple JAWS scripts for screen echo that I >> wrote and >> placed here: >> >> http://chrisnestrud.com/projects/jfw/scrt >> >> Chris >> >>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:33:21PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote: >>> I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't bad with >>> the >>> simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the net until >>> you >>> try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I think we >>> probably have to find a different way to edit files on the remote >>> machine >>> though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to work >>> good. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" <sm@noisynotes.com> >>> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>> >>> >>> That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that mess. >>> TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with PUTTY. >>> >>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote: >>>> >>>> Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed >>>> >>>> -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >>>> Fr?n: Blind-sysadmins >>>> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] F?r Steve >>>> Matzura >>>> Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 >>>> Till: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>> ?mne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>> >>>> How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, and found >>>> I >>>> have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the other >>>> system. >>>> >>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, Secure >>>>> CRT >>>>> is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is very >>>>> good >>>>> though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including serial. >>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a simple >>>>>> JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances which >>>>>> make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with it. >>>>>> Soon >>>>>> as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll probably >>>>>> ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something better, or >>>>>> something that can be changed in the script I have for it, I'm all >>>>>> about trying it. >>>>>> >>>>>> TIA >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
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Thank you so much for this suggestion. When we were children, and needed to listen as a group to audio text books, our teacher, the one we had in the resource room, had what I would describe as a block, with 6 or so head phone jacks on it. In to which we each plugged our individual head sets. They were over the ear head phones. Which were sold by the American Printing House for the Blind. I didn't know one could still purchase them. As I now use cordless head phones around my home and property. When listening to my screen reader or other audio treats. This amp might be a fine thing to look in to. Thank you again for the suggestion. It is much appreciated. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" <sm@noisynotes.com> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 10:20 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm Then get a KVMA switch. One keyboard, one set of headphones. Or, if you need to hear several things simultaneously, a headphone amp with several inputs is an expensive but fine solution. On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 10:28:39 -0500, you wrote:
Using headphones is fine if you're sitting at one computer all day. What if you have 2 or 3 computers to work on at once? There are lots of times when I am wearing 2 headsets, one over each ear. But it is quite difficult. And 3 is impossible. I even have a kvama switch but even that is inadequate for my job.
On 08/27/2015 09:32 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:
That isn't nearly as unlikely as it sounds. I heard people's voicemail passwords all the time at a Fortune 100 company because everybody checked their voicemail message on speakers. Anything's possible.
On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 15:07:10 +0000, you wrote:
That would be a fine thing if someone compromised a machine because they over heard a password on a screen reader. Wow! Imagine that one. I've never thought about it much but that's a pretty big risk. I always use headphones which is probably why I never thought about it but if someone really wanted to they could probably pick up the signal from my cans.
Well
On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:04 AM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
I've been a linux user for a while now but when I used Windows and openssh, I had a problem in that jaws would speak my password as I typed it in. I wrote a jaws script to stop that. I don't know if it would still work but here it is:
http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/pub/program.jss
On 08/27/2015 05:34 AM, Jen Bottom wrote:
I have OpensSH installed on a Windows box at work and that works fine for connecting to other machines.
I use a 'config' file in my user's '.ssh' directory for managing keys etc.
I think iti came with GitBash, but you might well be able to get it via Chocolaty, if you kike that sort of package manager, or just download it from the net.
I used to use Putty for connecting in when working at home, but I found it a lot of faff. Give me a nice config file any day :)
Hope this helps, Jen!
On 8/24/15, Chris Nestrud <ccn@chrisnestrud.com> wrote:
Emphasis on the simple--they don't provide the insert-q info.
If you press ctrl-shft-r, they should toggle between reading and ignoring incoming text.
The scripts are named "ssh" because that is what JFW is expecting for this program.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> > wrote: > > Chris: > > I downloaded your scripts and SecureCRT, but have a > question/problem. > All the scripts are for ssh, but the SecureCRT program isn't called > that. How do I know they're in service, especially since I didn't > find > any I didn't find any ScriptFileName function, so I put one in, and > when I press JAWS Key Q, JAWS tells me I'm running the default > scripts. > >> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:57:11 -0500, you wrote: >> >> I use Secure CRT and some very simple JAWS scripts for screen echo >> that I >> wrote and >> placed here: >> >> http://chrisnestrud.com/projects/jfw/scrt >> >> Chris >> >>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:33:21PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote: >>> I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't bad >>> with >>> the >>> simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the net >>> until >>> you >>> try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I >>> think we >>> probably have to find a different way to edit files on the remote >>> machine >>> though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to >>> work >>> good. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" >>> <sm@noisynotes.com> >>> To: "Blind sysadmins list" >>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>> >>> >>> That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that >>> mess. >>> TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with >>> PUTTY. >>> >>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote: >>>> >>>> Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed >>>> >>>> -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >>>> Fr?n: Blind-sysadmins >>>> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] F?r >>>> Steve >>>> Matzura >>>> Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 >>>> Till: Blind sysadmins list >>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>> ?mne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>> >>>> How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, and >>>> found >>>> I >>>> have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the other >>>> system. >>>> >>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, >>>>> Secure >>>>> CRT >>>>> is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is >>>>> very >>>>> good >>>>> though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including >>>>> serial. >>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a >>>>>> simple >>>>>> JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances >>>>>> which >>>>>> make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with >>>>>> it. >>>>>> Soon >>>>>> as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll >>>>>> probably >>>>>> ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something >>>>>> better, or >>>>>> something that can be changed in the script I have for it, I'm >>>>>> all >>>>>> about trying it. >>>>>> >>>>>> TIA >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
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I remember those. I think we used that with the Hoffman reader, but I don't think these boxes had any power to them, so the more headphones you hook up, the quieter it gets for everyone. I forget what that reader stored the audio on, but we would all jump for the button when it would say "Press the restart button" for whatever reason it did that. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angel" <angel238@sbcglobal.net> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2015 1:50 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm
Thank you so much for this suggestion. When we were children, and needed to listen as a group to audio text books, our teacher, the one we had in the resource room, had what I would describe as a block, with 6 or so head phone jacks on it. In to which we each plugged our individual head sets. They were over the ear head phones. Which were sold by the American Printing House for the Blind. I didn't know one could still purchase them. As I now use cordless head phones around my home and property. When listening to my screen reader or other audio treats. This amp might be a fine thing to look in to. Thank you again for the suggestion. It is much appreciated. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" <sm@noisynotes.com> To: "Blind sysadmins list" <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 10:20 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm
Then get a KVMA switch. One keyboard, one set of headphones. Or, if you need to hear several things simultaneously, a headphone amp with several inputs is an expensive but fine solution.
On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 10:28:39 -0500, you wrote:
Using headphones is fine if you're sitting at one computer all day. What if you have 2 or 3 computers to work on at once? There are lots of times when I am wearing 2 headsets, one over each ear. But it is quite difficult. And 3 is impossible. I even have a kvama switch but even that is inadequate for my job.
On 08/27/2015 09:32 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:
That isn't nearly as unlikely as it sounds. I heard people's voicemail passwords all the time at a Fortune 100 company because everybody checked their voicemail message on speakers. Anything's possible.
On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 15:07:10 +0000, you wrote:
That would be a fine thing if someone compromised a machine because they over heard a password on a screen reader. Wow! Imagine that one. I've never thought about it much but that's a pretty big risk. I always use headphones which is probably why I never thought about it but if someone really wanted to they could probably pick up the signal from my cans.
Well
On Aug 27, 2015, at 10:04 AM, John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> wrote:
I've been a linux user for a while now but when I used Windows and openssh, I had a problem in that jaws would speak my password as I typed it in. I wrote a jaws script to stop that. I don't know if it would still work but here it is:
http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/pub/program.jss
On 08/27/2015 05:34 AM, Jen Bottom wrote:
I have OpensSH installed on a Windows box at work and that works fine for connecting to other machines.
I use a 'config' file in my user's '.ssh' directory for managing keys etc.
I think iti came with GitBash, but you might well be able to get it via Chocolaty, if you kike that sort of package manager, or just download it from the net.
I used to use Putty for connecting in when working at home, but I found it a lot of faff. Give me a nice config file any day :)
Hope this helps, Jen!
On 8/24/15, Chris Nestrud <ccn@chrisnestrud.com> wrote: > Emphasis on the simple--they don't provide the insert-q info. > > If you press ctrl-shft-r, they should toggle between reading and > ignoring > incoming text. > > The scripts are named "ssh" because that is what JFW is expecting > for this > program. > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >> wrote: >> >> Chris: >> >> I downloaded your scripts and SecureCRT, but have a >> question/problem. >> All the scripts are for ssh, but the SecureCRT program isn't called >> that. How do I know they're in service, especially since I didn't >> find >> any I didn't find any ScriptFileName function, so I put one in, and >> when I press JAWS Key Q, JAWS tells me I'm running the default >> scripts. >> >>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:57:11 -0500, you wrote: >>> >>> I use Secure CRT and some very simple JAWS scripts for screen echo >>> that I >>> wrote and >>> placed here: >>> >>> http://chrisnestrud.com/projects/jfw/scrt >>> >>> Chris >>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:33:21PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote: >>>> I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't bad >>>> with >>>> the >>>> simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the >>>> net until >>>> you >>>> try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I >>>> think we >>>> probably have to find a different way to edit files on the remote >>>> machine >>>> though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to >>>> work >>>> good. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" >>>> <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>> To: "Blind sysadmins list" >>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>> >>>> >>>> That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that >>>> mess. >>>> TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with >>>> PUTTY. >>>> >>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed >>>>> >>>>> -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >>>>> Fr?n: Blind-sysadmins >>>>> [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] F?r >>>>> Steve >>>>> Matzura >>>>> Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 >>>>> Till: Blind sysadmins list >>>>> <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> >>>>> ?mne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm >>>>> >>>>> How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, >>>>> and found >>>>> I >>>>> have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the >>>>> other >>>>> system. >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, >>>>>> Secure >>>>>> CRT >>>>>> is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is >>>>>> very >>>>>> good >>>>>> though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including >>>>>> serial. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura <sm@noisynotes.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a >>>>>>> simple >>>>>>> JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances >>>>>>> which >>>>>>> make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with >>>>>>> it. >>>>>>> Soon >>>>>>> as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll >>>>>>> probably >>>>>>> ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something >>>>>>> better, or >>>>>>> something that can be changed in the script I have for it, I'm >>>>>>> all >>>>>>> about trying it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> TIA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >
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