Microsoft C+AI accessibility team will be at CSUN
Hello everyone: As in years past, the Microsoft Cloud + AI accessibility team will be at CSUN this year in Anaheim, CA from March 10TH through the 13TH. We won't be running any presentations this year, although we encourage anyone going to check out the many presentations Microsoft is running. As before, I'm extending the offer, if anyone wishes to talk with us about any issues they are running into with C+AI products, please let me know and we can set up lunch or some other time to chat. Products we work with include: * Visual Studio * Azure Devops * Azure * Dynamics * System Center accept for System Center Configuration Manager * Identity related products including consumer Microsoft Account and work or school Azure Active Directory. We also have some influence over Windows, including some of the classic Windows Server administration tools such as the MMC-based admin tools. If you want to set something up, please reach out to me offlist and we'll make something happen. Thanks. Ryan Ryan Shugart Program Manager II, Cloud+AI Accessibility Microsoft Corporation 425-705-1262
I just took part in a usability survey for Visual Studio Code. I wasn't able to get any further than task 1, installation on my Ubuntu Linux system. VSC installed okay on Ubuntu but it seemed completely unusable with the orca screen reader. I haven't found a good IDE for linux yet. On 1/30/20 11:56 AM, Ryan Shugart via Blind-sysadmins wrote:
Hello everyone: As in years past, the Microsoft Cloud + AI accessibility team will be at CSUN this year in Anaheim, CA from March 10TH through the 13TH. We won't be running any presentations this year, although we encourage anyone going to check out the many presentations Microsoft is running. As before, I'm extending the offer, if anyone wishes to talk with us about any issues they are running into with C+AI products, please let me know and we can set up lunch or some other time to chat. Products we work with include: * Visual Studio * Azure Devops * Azure * Dynamics * System Center accept for System Center Configuration Manager * Identity related products including consumer Microsoft Account and work or school Azure Active Directory. We also have some influence over Windows, including some of the classic Windows Server administration tools such as the MMC-based admin tools. If you want to set something up, please reach out to me offlist and we'll make something happen. Thanks. Ryan
Ryan Shugart Program Manager II, Cloud+AI Accessibility Microsoft Corporation 425-705-1262
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Hi John: Thanks for your feedback. At this point, we are not targeting accessibility on Linux due to the low usage numbers, and the relative immaturity of the Orca screen reader itself when compared to VoiceOver on mac, or NVDA and JAWS and Narrator on Windows. You can try VS Code on either Mac or Windows and we are actively working on accessibility on both of those platforms, and we have people using the product effectively in both environments. We are also monitoring Linux usage and as it goes up and as the AT solutions mature more, we will reinvestigate making VS Code work there as well. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 10:07 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Cc: Ryan Shugart <ryshugar@microsoft.com> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Microsoft C+AI accessibility team will be at CSUN I just took part in a usability survey for Visual Studio Code. I wasn't able to get any further than task 1, installation on my Ubuntu Linux system. VSC installed okay on Ubuntu but it seemed completely unusable with the orca screen reader. I haven't found a good IDE for linux yet. On 1/30/20 11:56 AM, Ryan Shugart via Blind-sysadmins wrote:
Hello everyone: As in years past, the Microsoft Cloud + AI accessibility team will be at CSUN this year in Anaheim, CA from March 10TH through the 13TH. We won't be running any presentations this year, although we encourage anyone going to check out the many presentations Microsoft is running. As before, I'm extending the offer, if anyone wishes to talk with us about any issues they are running into with C+AI products, please let me know and we can set up lunch or some other time to chat. Products we work with include: * Visual Studio * Azure Devops * Azure * Dynamics * System Center accept for System Center Configuration Manager * Identity related products including consumer Microsoft Account and work or school Azure Active Directory. We also have some influence over Windows, including some of the classic Windows Server administration tools such as the MMC-based admin tools. If you want to set something up, please reach out to me offlist and we'll make something happen. Thanks. Ryan
Ryan Shugart Program Manager II, Cloud+AI Accessibility Microsoft Corporation 425-705-1262
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Well, I want to make it clear I am not trying to tell Microsoft how to run it's business but your reasons rely on things that are factually incorrect. Orca is not immature. It is older and approximately as stable as voiceover and nvda. Also, the linux programming cummunity is huge. I don't know the percentage of developers there are for each platform, Windows, Linux, and Mac but I would be shocked if Linux was far behind Windows and even more shocked if it wasn't way ahead of Mac. The internet infrastructure in this country runs on Linux. Every super computer in the world runs Linux. That's where development is heading. On 1/30/20 5:20 PM, Ryan Shugart wrote:
Hi John: Thanks for your feedback. At this point, we are not targeting accessibility on Linux due to the low usage numbers, and the relative immaturity of the Orca screen reader itself when compared to VoiceOver on mac, or NVDA and JAWS and Narrator on Windows. You can try VS Code on either Mac or Windows and we are actively working on accessibility on both of those platforms, and we have people using the product effectively in both environments. We are also monitoring Linux usage and as it goes up and as the AT solutions mature more, we will reinvestigate making VS Code work there as well. Ryan
-----Original Message----- From: John G Heim <jheim@math.wisc.edu> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 10:07 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Cc: Ryan Shugart <ryshugar@microsoft.com> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Microsoft C+AI accessibility team will be at CSUN
I just took part in a usability survey for Visual Studio Code. I wasn't able to get any further than task 1, installation on my Ubuntu Linux system. VSC installed okay on Ubuntu but it seemed completely unusable with the orca screen reader.
I haven't found a good IDE for linux yet.
On 1/30/20 11:56 AM, Ryan Shugart via Blind-sysadmins wrote:
Hello everyone: As in years past, the Microsoft Cloud + AI accessibility team will be at CSUN this year in Anaheim, CA from March 10TH through the 13TH. We won't be running any presentations this year, although we encourage anyone going to check out the many presentations Microsoft is running. As before, I'm extending the offer, if anyone wishes to talk with us about any issues they are running into with C+AI products, please let me know and we can set up lunch or some other time to chat. Products we work with include: * Visual Studio * Azure Devops * Azure * Dynamics * System Center accept for System Center Configuration Manager * Identity related products including consumer Microsoft Account and work or school Azure Active Directory. We also have some influence over Windows, including some of the classic Windows Server administration tools such as the MMC-based admin tools. If you want to set something up, please reach out to me offlist and we'll make something happen. Thanks. Ryan
Ryan Shugart Program Manager II, Cloud+AI Accessibility Microsoft Corporation 425-705-1262
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