installing server 22 on VM
Hi all, I've been tasked with setting up our new Hyper-V host. The host runs Server 22, as will the VM's. Is there a way to install Server 2022 on VM's with speech? Currently I've only been able to get speech working once the OS is already installed and running. Thanks, Mike
Hi. Last time I checked I think the only option for Server OS is to use the unattended install method. Its been so long since I did a fresh server install I can't remember the specifics of this anymore. I don't think you can use Narrator from the setup CD like you can for the client versions. Would love to be proved wrong. Even if you could do this for the bear metal install with a USB soundcard it probably wouldn't work for the guest installs. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Fulton <mikefulton95@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2023 3:35 PM To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] installing server 22 on VM Hi all, I've been tasked with setting up our new Hyper-V host. The host runs Server 22, as will the VM's. Is there a way to install Server 2022 on VM's with speech? Currently I've only been able to get speech working once the OS is already installed and running. Thanks, Mike _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
Hi, My only experience with setting up server 22 has been as a guest in vmware on a windows 10 host and I got speech all the way through with a USB soundcard connected to the virtual USB controller of the guest. Thanks, Kieran. -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew@hodgson.io> Sent: 09 May 2023 15:43 To: Mailing list for blind system administrators <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: installing server 22 on VM CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organisation. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognise the sender and know the content is safe. Hi. Last time I checked I think the only option for Server OS is to use the unattended install method. Its been so long since I did a fresh server install I can't remember the specifics of this anymore. I don't think you can use Narrator from the setup CD like you can for the client versions. Would love to be proved wrong. Even if you could do this for the bear metal install with a USB soundcard it probably wouldn't work for the guest installs. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Fulton <mikefulton95@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2023 3:35 PM To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] installing server 22 on VM Hi all, I've been tasked with setting up our new Hyper-V host. The host runs Server 22, as will the VM's. Is there a way to install Server 2022 on VM's with speech? Currently I've only been able to get speech working once the OS is already installed and running. Thanks, Mike _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave@lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave@lists.hodgsonfamily.org Save Time Do It Online! We have made a few key improvements to our site to make our services easy to access. Now you can do everything from paying your council tax, to reporting a faulty street light online. Go to: www.northumberland.gov.uk and click 'pay, apply or report' to access the relevant forms. This email is intended solely for the individual or individuals to whom it is addressed, and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this email is prohibited. If you receive this email in error, please contact the sender and delete the email from any computer. All email communication may be subject to recording and/or monitoring in accordance with internal policy and relevant legislation. [Northumberland County Council Stay Home]
Hi All, You can install Windows Server 216 - 2022 just like a client with speech all the way through. Once you get to the reboot and login, it will not work because the Windows Audio Service doesn't start automatically. I wish there was a way to do this via Hyper-V as my entire virtualization cluster here at work is Hyper-V. The unattended install works great but same applies with Windows Audio Service. I tried to mitigate this by doing the OOBE and having RDP enabled with a preinstall of JAWS for example with no success. I hate asking for sighted assistance through this process. Thanks Kindly, Billy L. Irwin Sr. Network/Cyber Security Engineer -----Original Message----- From: Kieran Little via Blind-sysadmins <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2023 10:46 AM To: Mailing list for blind system administrators <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Cc: Kieran Little <kieran.little@northumberland.gov.uk> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: installing server 22 on VM Hi, My only experience with setting up server 22 has been as a guest in vmware on a windows 10 host and I got speech all the way through with a USB soundcard connected to the virtual USB controller of the guest. Thanks, Kieran. -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew@hodgson.io> Sent: 09 May 2023 15:43 To: Mailing list for blind system administrators <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: installing server 22 on VM CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organisation. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognise the sender and know the content is safe. Hi. Last time I checked I think the only option for Server OS is to use the unattended install method. Its been so long since I did a fresh server install I can't remember the specifics of this anymore. I don't think you can use Narrator from the setup CD like you can for the client versions. Would love to be proved wrong. Even if you could do this for the bear metal install with a USB soundcard it probably wouldn't work for the guest installs. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Fulton <mikefulton95@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2023 3:35 PM To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] installing server 22 on VM Hi all, I've been tasked with setting up our new Hyper-V host. The host runs Server 22, as will the VM's. Is there a way to install Server 2022 on VM's with speech? Currently I've only been able to get speech working once the OS is already installed and running. Thanks, Mike _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave@lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave@lists.hodgsonfamily.org Save Time Do It Online! We have made a few key improvements to our site to make our services easy to access. Now you can do everything from paying your council tax, to reporting a faulty street light online. Go to: www.northumberland.gov.uk and click 'pay, apply or report' to access the relevant forms. This email is intended solely for the individual or individuals to whom it is addressed, and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this email is prohibited. If you receive this email in error, please contact the sender and delete the email from any computer. All email communication may be subject to recording and/or monitoring in accordance with internal policy and relevant legislation. [Northumberland County Council Stay Home] _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave@lists.hodgsonfamily.org
I never did find a way... I will have to research that again. The sysprep if I remember correctly broke RDP. Thanks, Billy L. Irwin Sr. Network/Cyber Security Engineer -----Original Message----- From: Isaac <bigikemusic@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2023 12:09 PM To: Mailing list for blind system administrators <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org>; Billy Irwin <billy.irwin@outlook.com> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: installing server 22 on VM However, couldn't you start the audio service with a sysprep or autounattend.xml On 5/9/2023 11:06 AM, Billy Irwin wrote:
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Hi Billy, How do you get speech during the installation? I tried hitting control+windows+enter to start narrator, but got nothing. Also, once installed, if you're sure you were able to log in, I've had success getting the audio service started. Hit windows+r, cmd, enter, net start audiosrv. At that point you should get speech if you try to start narrator. On Tue, May 9, 2023 at 12:11 PM Billy Irwin <billy.irwin@outlook.com> wrote:
Hi, You are correct with the audio service start command. You are also correct that during install the shortcut should work. The issue is that unless it is a physical host wit the correct drivers it might not work at that time. I am doing all my work on Dell servers. It works great until the last reboot cycle which requires you to enter your password, then login and start the service. Best, Billy -----Original Message----- From: Mike Fulton <mikefulton95@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2023 12:19 PM To: Mailing list for blind system administrators <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: installing server 22 on VM Hi Billy, How do you get speech during the installation? I tried hitting control+windows+enter to start narrator, but got nothing. Also, once installed, if you're sure you were able to log in, I've had success getting the audio service started. Hit windows+r, cmd, enter, net start audiosrv. At that point you should get speech if you try to start narrator. On Tue, May 9, 2023 at 12:11 PM Billy Irwin <billy.irwin@outlook.com> wrote:
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We also have a dell server. So are you saying I could get speech for setup if I had an USB sound card connected to the server, and completed the installation on the physical server rather than remotely from my workstation? On Tue, May 9, 2023 at 12:39 PM Billy Irwin <billy.irwin@outlook.com> wrote:
Yes, that is correct. That is what I do. I use a USB headphone and it works great. You can build your file here... https://www.windowsafg.com/ That will install the system on disk 0 and wipe it do everything you want it to and then come back to a login screen when done. It works on a VM as well but if you can't use the Hyper-V viewer to change IP and enable rdp you will still need assistance. Bes,t Billy -----Original Message----- From: Mike Fulton <mikefulton95@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2023 12:42 PM To: Mailing list for blind system administrators <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: installing server 22 on VM We also have a dell server. So are you saying I could get speech for setup if I had an USB sound card connected to the server, and completed the installation on the physical server rather than remotely from my workstation? On Tue, May 9, 2023 at 12:39 PM Billy Irwin <billy.irwin@outlook.com> wrote:
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Ok great, thanks! What's an example of a sound device that would work? Also, you mentioned needing to use RDP. I'm able to connect to the machine in Hyper-V and get audio, however I did have to enable the enhanced session setting before this would work. This is a Hyper-V setting, so doesn't need to be enabled on each individual VM, if I remember correctly. On Tue, May 9, 2023 at 12:47 PM Billy Irwin <billy.irwin@outlook.com> wrote:
I can't remember what mine is but most any old basic USB headphones that are plug and play should work. I have a crash cart out in our data center that I leave them on. USB speakers may also work but in a server room you wont hear them that well. Also, I am gong to try your setting in Hyper-V and see if that works for me. Best, Billy -----Original Message----- From: Mike Fulton <mikefulton95@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2023 12:58 PM To: Mailing list for blind system administrators <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: installing server 22 on VM Ok great, thanks! What's an example of a sound device that would work? Also, you mentioned needing to use RDP. I'm able to connect to the machine in Hyper-V and get audio, however I did have to enable the enhanced session setting before this would work. This is a Hyper-V setting, so doesn't need to be enabled on each individual VM, if I remember correctly. On Tue, May 9, 2023 at 12:47 PM Billy Irwin <billy.irwin@outlook.com> wrote:
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Hi. Are you doing this with a server side HyperV or ESXI host? My issue with these was its harder to get USB redirection working to the client you're using to install the OS. If you install it on the workstation either HyperV or VmWare it seems to work. Thanks for letting me know that we have the Narrator install option on the server OS. In terms of getting speech up after the server first comes up is there much of an out of box experience these days or are you just asked for the admin password and then logged in as admin? I used to be able to get past the first boot on Server 2008 R2. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Billy Irwin <billy.irwin@outlook.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2023 5:07 PM To: Mailing list for blind system administrators <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: installing server 22 on VM Hi All, You can install Windows Server 216 - 2022 just like a client with speech all the way through. Once you get to the reboot and login, it will not work because the Windows Audio Service doesn't start automatically. I wish there was a way to do this via Hyper-V as my entire virtualization cluster here at work is Hyper-V. The unattended install works great but same applies with Windows Audio Service. I tried to mitigate this by doing the OOBE and having RDP enabled with a preinstall of JAWS for example with no success. I hate asking for sighted assistance through this process. Thanks Kindly, Billy L. Irwin Sr. Network/Cyber Security Engineer -----Original Message----- From: Kieran Little via Blind-sysadmins <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2023 10:46 AM To: Mailing list for blind system administrators <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Cc: Kieran Little <kieran.little@northumberland.gov.uk> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: installing server 22 on VM Hi, My only experience with setting up server 22 has been as a guest in vmware on a windows 10 host and I got speech all the way through with a USB soundcard connected to the virtual USB controller of the guest. Thanks, Kieran. -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew@hodgson.io> Sent: 09 May 2023 15:43 To: Mailing list for blind system administrators <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: installing server 22 on VM CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organisation. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognise the sender and know the content is safe. Hi. Last time I checked I think the only option for Server OS is to use the unattended install method. Its been so long since I did a fresh server install I can't remember the specifics of this anymore. I don't think you can use Narrator from the setup CD like you can for the client versions. Would love to be proved wrong. Even if you could do this for the bear metal install with a USB soundcard it probably wouldn't work for the guest installs. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Fulton <mikefulton95@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2023 3:35 PM To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] installing server 22 on VM Hi all, I've been tasked with setting up our new Hyper-V host. The host runs Server 22, as will the VM's. Is there a way to install Server 2022 on VM's with speech? Currently I've only been able to get speech working once the OS is already installed and running. Thanks, Mike _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave@lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave@lists.hodgsonfamily.org Save Time Do It Online! We have made a few key improvements to our site to make our services easy to access. Now you can do everything from paying your council tax, to reporting a faulty street light online. Go to: www.northumberland.gov.uk and click 'pay, apply or report' to access the relevant forms. This email is intended solely for the individual or individuals to whom it is addressed, and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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I'm connected to Hyper-V manager from my windows 10 workstation. From what I've gathered experimenting with sighted assistance, on the first boot it asks you to set the admin password, and then to login. At that point after a few minutes of waiting for the profile to be set up, you should be on the desktop. On Tue, May 9, 2023 at 12:36 PM Andrew Hodgson <andrew@hodgson.io> wrote:
That is correct. If you use something like Seeing AI you could figure it out when it gets there which is what I have had to do in a pinch. You can set the password the unattend.xml file which should automatically get you to the desktop. Best, Billy -----Original Message----- From: Mike Fulton <mikefulton95@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2023 12:38 PM To: Mailing list for blind system administrators <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: installing server 22 on VM I'm connected to Hyper-V manager from my windows 10 workstation. From what I've gathered experimenting with sighted assistance, on the first boot it asks you to set the admin password, and then to login. At that point after a few minutes of waiting for the profile to be set up, you should be on the desktop. On Tue, May 9, 2023 at 12:36 PM Andrew Hodgson <andrew@hodgson.io> wrote:
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Another possibility in a pinch, besides Seeing AI, is using the screen shot feature of your virtualization program and then running an OCR program on it. I only know how to do this in VMWare for Linux but I am pretty sure VMware for Windows works the same and other virtualization solutions also have screenshot functions. In VMWare for linux, to take a screen shot and save it to a PNG file, you do this: vboxmanage controlvm $VMNAME screenshotpng $PNGFILE where $VMNAME is the name of the virtual machine and $PNGFILE is the output file name. On 5/9/23 11:41, Billy Irwin wrote:
The enhanced session setting works! I wish I had discovered that sooner. Only problem is I can't figure out how to get to the menu or exit out of the session. Thanks, Billy -----Original Message----- From: John G. Heim via Blind-sysadmins <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2023 2:13 PM To: Mailing list for blind system administrators <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org>; Billy Irwin <billy.irwin@outlook.com> Cc: John G. Heim <jheim@wisc.edu> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: installing server 22 on VM Another possibility in a pinch, besides Seeing AI, is using the screen shot feature of your virtualization program and then running an OCR program on it. I only know how to do this in VMWare for Linux but I am pretty sure VMware for Windows works the same and other virtualization solutions also have screenshot functions. In VMWare for linux, to take a screen shot and save it to a PNG file, you do this: vboxmanage controlvm $VMNAME screenshotpng $PNGFILE where $VMNAME is the name of the virtual machine and $PNGFILE is the output file name. On 5/9/23 11:41, Billy Irwin wrote:
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Hi, That didn't work. It is stating that is for navigating a table. I can make it go full screen and back but no joy on the menu. Thanks, Billy -----Original Message----- From: Mike Fulton <mikefulton95@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2023 2:29 PM To: Mailing list for blind system administrators <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: installing server 22 on VM I believe it's control+alt+left arrow to exit out, which should then let you get to the menu. On Tue, May 9, 2023 at 2:27 PM Billy Irwin <billy.irwin@outlook.com> wrote:
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Is that with using JAWS? I just tested, and once in a VM, control+alt+left arrow gives control back to the local system for me. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/virtualization/hyper-v/lear... On Tue, May 9, 2023 at 3:07 PM Billy Irwin <billy.irwin@outlook.com> wrote:
My bad, I see what happened there. It didn't announce to me it shifted focus out of it. Then I could hit alt + f4 and close it. Thanks for your help. Glad we both benefited from this discussion! Thanks a lot! Billy -----Original Message----- From: Mike Fulton <mikefulton95@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2023 3:10 PM To: Mailing list for blind system administrators <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: installing server 22 on VM Is that with using JAWS? I just tested, and once in a VM, control+alt+left arrow gives control back to the local system for me. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/virtualization/hyper-v/lear... On Tue, May 9, 2023 at 3:07 PM Billy Irwin <billy.irwin@outlook.com> wrote:
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