Hello, Does anyone have any free AV recommendations? I posted on this last week and got suggestions that were out of my range. I've tried Avast5, and the only reason it's still on is because i don't have anything else. I am not impressed with it, it's interface is in my opinion a step backward, it doesn't have any of the features 4 did, and system stability has taken a major nose dive since I installed it. Thanks. Dave.
Microsoft Security Essentials is one of the safer bets. Let's face it, if Microsoft mess that up, they'll be in Dicky's meadow pretty fast. George. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of David Mehler Sent: 26 September 2010 18:15 To: blind-sysadmins Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] free AV Hello, Does anyone have any free AV recommendations? I posted on this last week and got suggestions that were out of my range. I've tried Avast5, and the only reason it's still on is because i don't have anything else. I am not impressed with it, it's interface is in my opinion a step backward, it doesn't have any of the features 4 did, and system stability has taken a major nose dive since I installed it. Thanks. Dave. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
Microsoft Security Essentials is one of the safer bets. Let's face it, if Microsoft mess that up, they'll be in Dicky's meadow pretty fast. George. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of David Mehler Sent: 26 September 2010 18:15 To: blind-sysadmins Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] free AV Hello, Does anyone have any free AV recommendations? I posted on this last week and got suggestions that were out of my range. I've tried Avast5, and the only reason it's still on is because i don't have anything else. I am not impressed with it, it's interface is in my opinion a step backward, it doesn't have any of the features 4 did, and system stability has taken a major nose dive since I installed it. Thanks. Dave. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
Hi,
Thanks. How accessible is it?
Dave.
On 9/26/10, George Bell
Microsoft Security Essentials is one of the safer bets.
Let's face it, if Microsoft mess that up, they'll be in Dicky's meadow pretty fast.
George.
-----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of David Mehler Sent: 26 September 2010 18:15 To: blind-sysadmins Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] free AV
Hello, Does anyone have any free AV recommendations? I posted on this last week and got suggestions that were out of my range. I've tried Avast5, and the only reason it's still on is because i don't have anything else. I am not impressed with it, it's interface is in my opinion a step backward, it doesn't have any of the features 4 did, and system stability has taken a major nose dive since I installed it. Thanks. Dave.
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Hi all, it is about time for me to upgrade our own internal server from SBS 03 to SBS 08. We have had 03 running in a VM under VPC 07 for some time now. Should we still run SBS 08 as a virtualized server? If so what is the most accessible means of doing this, HyperV, Fusion on the Mac, VMWare Workstation, or something else. I loved VPC but I don't think it can work with 64 bit guest systems. Also what host hardware and OS should I use. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated since sighted help is rarely available around here. Tia Frank
Frank: I don't know too much about SBS, but if I remember properly there's not an upgrade as such as a setting up your new server and migrating from the old server to the new server. I wouldn't recommend Fusion or VMWare Workstation, not because they're inaccessible, both of them work really well with speech, but they're designed for desktop virtualization, AKA virtualizing an OS on a desktop platform, not a server platform. I'd recommend either HyperV or VMWare's ESXI product. I've only played with HyperV for a few minutes, but its MMC based and looks accessible, but another blind sysadmins said that deep down there are annoyances. ESXI is a specialized operating system just for virtualization. Once its installed, you never touch the host system again and do all your work from your client machine connected over IP to the host. The interface isn't the most accessible, but its doable, and I've been very impressed with VMWare's products on the whole. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 6:36 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Upgrading from SBS 2003 to 2008 Hi all, it is about time for me to upgrade our own internal server from SBS 03 to SBS 08. We have had 03 running in a VM under VPC 07 for some time now. Should we still run SBS 08 as a virtualized server? If so what is the most accessible means of doing this, HyperV, Fusion on the Mac, VMWare Workstation, or something else. I loved VPC but I don't think it can work with 64 bit guest systems. Also what host hardware and OS should I use. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated since sighted help is rarely available around here. Tia Frank _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
Thanks, are there any podcasts demoing how to use Hyper V? Also it is a free download from MS? Frank -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 9:47 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Upgrading from SBS 2003 to 2008 Frank: I don't know too much about SBS, but if I remember properly there's not an upgrade as such as a setting up your new server and migrating from the old server to the new server. I wouldn't recommend Fusion or VMWare Workstation, not because they're inaccessible, both of them work really well with speech, but they're designed for desktop virtualization, AKA virtualizing an OS on a desktop platform, not a server platform. I'd recommend either HyperV or VMWare's ESXI product. I've only played with HyperV for a few minutes, but its MMC based and looks accessible, but another blind sysadmins said that deep down there are annoyances. ESXI is a specialized operating system just for virtualization. Once its installed, you never touch the host system again and do all your work from your client machine connected over IP to the host. The interface isn't the most accessible, but its doable, and I've been very impressed with VMWare's products on the whole. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 6:36 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Upgrading from SBS 2003 to 2008 Hi all, it is about time for me to upgrade our own internal server from SBS 03 to SBS 08. We have had 03 running in a VM under VPC 07 for some time now. Should we still run SBS 08 as a virtualized server? If so what is the most accessible means of doing this, HyperV, Fusion on the Mac, VMWare Workstation, or something else. I loved VPC but I don't think it can work with 64 bit guest systems. Also what host hardware and OS should I use. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated since sighted help is rarely available around here. Tia Frank _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
None that I know of, but I don't know of that many podcasts for any sysadmins tools. Both HyperV and ESXI are free from the various web sites, HyperV comes with Windows Server 2008 and R2, there's also a stand alone version you can get. ESXI is just virtualization so it'd be all you get. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 4:50 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Upgrading from SBS 2003 to 2008 Thanks, are there any podcasts demoing how to use Hyper V? Also it is a free download from MS? Frank -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 9:47 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Upgrading from SBS 2003 to 2008 Frank: I don't know too much about SBS, but if I remember properly there's not an upgrade as such as a setting up your new server and migrating from the old server to the new server. I wouldn't recommend Fusion or VMWare Workstation, not because they're inaccessible, both of them work really well with speech, but they're designed for desktop virtualization, AKA virtualizing an OS on a desktop platform, not a server platform. I'd recommend either HyperV or VMWare's ESXI product. I've only played with HyperV for a few minutes, but its MMC based and looks accessible, but another blind sysadmins said that deep down there are annoyances. ESXI is a specialized operating system just for virtualization. Once its installed, you never touch the host system again and do all your work from your client machine connected over IP to the host. The interface isn't the most accessible, but its doable, and I've been very impressed with VMWare's products on the whole. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 6:36 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Upgrading from SBS 2003 to 2008 Hi all, it is about time for me to upgrade our own internal server from SBS 03 to SBS 08. We have had 03 running in a VM under VPC 07 for some time now. Should we still run SBS 08 as a virtualized server? If so what is the most accessible means of doing this, HyperV, Fusion on the Mac, VMWare Workstation, or something else. I loved VPC but I don't think it can work with 64 bit guest systems. Also what host hardware and OS should I use. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated since sighted help is rarely available around here. Tia Frank _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
None that I know of, but I don't know of that many podcasts for any sysadmins tools. Both HyperV and ESXI are free from the various web sites, HyperV comes with Windows Server 2008 and R2, there's also a stand alone version you can get. ESXI is just virtualization so it'd be all you get. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 4:50 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Upgrading from SBS 2003 to 2008 Thanks, are there any podcasts demoing how to use Hyper V? Also it is a free download from MS? Frank -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 9:47 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Upgrading from SBS 2003 to 2008 Frank: I don't know too much about SBS, but if I remember properly there's not an upgrade as such as a setting up your new server and migrating from the old server to the new server. I wouldn't recommend Fusion or VMWare Workstation, not because they're inaccessible, both of them work really well with speech, but they're designed for desktop virtualization, AKA virtualizing an OS on a desktop platform, not a server platform. I'd recommend either HyperV or VMWare's ESXI product. I've only played with HyperV for a few minutes, but its MMC based and looks accessible, but another blind sysadmins said that deep down there are annoyances. ESXI is a specialized operating system just for virtualization. Once its installed, you never touch the host system again and do all your work from your client machine connected over IP to the host. The interface isn't the most accessible, but its doable, and I've been very impressed with VMWare's products on the whole. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 6:36 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Upgrading from SBS 2003 to 2008 Hi all, it is about time for me to upgrade our own internal server from SBS 03 to SBS 08. We have had 03 running in a VM under VPC 07 for some time now. Should we still run SBS 08 as a virtualized server? If so what is the most accessible means of doing this, HyperV, Fusion on the Mac, VMWare Workstation, or something else. I loved VPC but I don't think it can work with 64 bit guest systems. Also what host hardware and OS should I use. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated since sighted help is rarely available around here. Tia Frank _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
Frank: I don't know too much about SBS, but if I remember properly there's not an upgrade as such as a setting up your new server and migrating from the old server to the new server. I wouldn't recommend Fusion or VMWare Workstation, not because they're inaccessible, both of them work really well with speech, but they're designed for desktop virtualization, AKA virtualizing an OS on a desktop platform, not a server platform. I'd recommend either HyperV or VMWare's ESXI product. I've only played with HyperV for a few minutes, but its MMC based and looks accessible, but another blind sysadmins said that deep down there are annoyances. ESXI is a specialized operating system just for virtualization. Once its installed, you never touch the host system again and do all your work from your client machine connected over IP to the host. The interface isn't the most accessible, but its doable, and I've been very impressed with VMWare's products on the whole. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 6:36 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Upgrading from SBS 2003 to 2008 Hi all, it is about time for me to upgrade our own internal server from SBS 03 to SBS 08. We have had 03 running in a VM under VPC 07 for some time now. Should we still run SBS 08 as a virtualized server? If so what is the most accessible means of doing this, HyperV, Fusion on the Mac, VMWare Workstation, or something else. I loved VPC but I don't think it can work with 64 bit guest systems. Also what host hardware and OS should I use. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated since sighted help is rarely available around here. Tia Frank _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
Hi, A few thoughts: SBS isn't supported running in production under VPC. It is supported in HyperV for sure, and possibly ESXI also, but anything else would be for test environments only. Why are you wanting to virtualise your SBS box? As for upgrading, there is SBS7 in beta test at the moment, you may want to wait for that before jumping in? You can't do an in-place upgrade from SBS 03 to SBS 08, you can migrate the settings using the migration tool, but you need to have a source and destination server for that to work. You could also throw everything away and start over, backing up mail and documents of course, depending on how many users you have on the system. Thanks. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura Sent: 27 September 2010 01:36 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Upgrading from SBS 2003 to 2008 Hi all, it is about time for me to upgrade our own internal server from SBS 03 to SBS 08. We have had 03 running in a VM under VPC 07 for some time now. Should we still run SBS 08 as a virtualized server? If so what is the most accessible means of doing this, HyperV, Fusion on the Mac, VMWare Workstation, or something else. I loved VPC but I don't think it can work with 64 bit guest systems. Also what host hardware and OS should I use. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated since sighted help is rarely available around here. Tia Frank _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
Hi, A few thoughts: SBS isn't supported running in production under VPC. It is supported in HyperV for sure, and possibly ESXI also, but anything else would be for test environments only. Why are you wanting to virtualise your SBS box? As for upgrading, there is SBS7 in beta test at the moment, you may want to wait for that before jumping in? You can't do an in-place upgrade from SBS 03 to SBS 08, you can migrate the settings using the migration tool, but you need to have a source and destination server for that to work. You could also throw everything away and start over, backing up mail and documents of course, depending on how many users you have on the system. Thanks. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura Sent: 27 September 2010 01:36 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Upgrading from SBS 2003 to 2008 Hi all, it is about time for me to upgrade our own internal server from SBS 03 to SBS 08. We have had 03 running in a VM under VPC 07 for some time now. Should we still run SBS 08 as a virtualized server? If so what is the most accessible means of doing this, HyperV, Fusion on the Mac, VMWare Workstation, or something else. I loved VPC but I don't think it can work with 64 bit guest systems. Also what host hardware and OS should I use. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated since sighted help is rarely available around here. Tia Frank _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
Andrew, the shop is small enough to start from scratch. I'd like to virtualize the server to make backups easier and potentially move the server from physical hardware to other physical hardware if ever necessary. Does anyone have a download link for the public beta of SBS 7? Thanks Frank -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 3:18 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Upgrading from SBS 2003 to 2008 Hi, A few thoughts: SBS isn't supported running in production under VPC. It is supported in HyperV for sure, and possibly ESXI also, but anything else would be for test environments only. Why are you wanting to virtualise your SBS box? As for upgrading, there is SBS7 in beta test at the moment, you may want to wait for that before jumping in? You can't do an in-place upgrade from SBS 03 to SBS 08, you can migrate the settings using the migration tool, but you need to have a source and destination server for that to work. You could also throw everything away and start over, backing up mail and documents of course, depending on how many users you have on the system. Thanks. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura Sent: 27 September 2010 01:36 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Upgrading from SBS 2003 to 2008 Hi all, it is about time for me to upgrade our own internal server from SBS 03 to SBS 08. We have had 03 running in a VM under VPC 07 for some time now. Should we still run SBS 08 as a virtualized server? If so what is the most accessible means of doing this, HyperV, Fusion on the Mac, VMWare Workstation, or something else. I loved VPC but I don't think it can work with 64 bit guest systems. Also what host hardware and OS should I use. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated since sighted help is rarely available around here. Tia Frank _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
Hi, Here are some virtualisation scenarios using Hyper-V: http://blogs.technet.com/b/sbs/archive/2008/09/15/sbs-2008-and-virtualizatio... More people are using Hyper-V for SBS virtualisation than ESXI. Whilst virtualisation is going to make backups and hardware swapouts easier, it is going to make SBS integrated backups more complex, and as such with the current version at least I don't see any mileage in virtualising the SBS standard server unless you want to host other servers on the same hardware. The memory requirements for SBS 2008 are a lot more than 2003, and you really see a performance bottleneck if there isn't the RAM there. I have a beta link for SBS7 at home, because I use SBS at home to get all the server technologies cheaply, although the mainstay of what I do at work uses the standard server products. Thanks. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura Sent: 29 September 2010 10:17 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Upgrading from SBS 2003 to 2008 Andrew, the shop is small enough to start from scratch. I'd like to virtualize the server to make backups easier and potentially move the server from physical hardware to other physical hardware if ever necessary. Does anyone have a download link for the public beta of SBS 7? Thanks Frank -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 3:18 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Upgrading from SBS 2003 to 2008 Hi, A few thoughts: SBS isn't supported running in production under VPC. It is supported in HyperV for sure, and possibly ESXI also, but anything else would be for test environments only. Why are you wanting to virtualise your SBS box? As for upgrading, there is SBS7 in beta test at the moment, you may want to wait for that before jumping in? You can't do an in-place upgrade from SBS 03 to SBS 08, you can migrate the settings using the migration tool, but you need to have a source and destination server for that to work. You could also throw everything away and start over, backing up mail and documents of course, depending on how many users you have on the system. Thanks. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura Sent: 27 September 2010 01:36 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Upgrading from SBS 2003 to 2008 Hi all, it is about time for me to upgrade our own internal server from SBS 03 to SBS 08. We have had 03 running in a VM under VPC 07 for some time now. Should we still run SBS 08 as a virtualized server? If so what is the most accessible means of doing this, HyperV, Fusion on the Mac, VMWare Workstation, or something else. I loved VPC but I don't think it can work with 64 bit guest systems. Also what host hardware and OS should I use. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated since sighted help is rarely available around here. Tia Frank _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins -- 98% of our clients would recommend us Client Survey Jan 2010 Registered in England No. 02933191. UK VAT Reg. No. 666 9148 88. Ā© 2009 - 2010 allpay Limited Fully compliant with the Payment Card Industry Data Security Standard (PCI DSS) Telephone: 0844 225 5729 Fax: 0844 557 8350 Website: www.allpay.net Email: enquiries@allpay.net This email, and any files transmitted with it, is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the allpay Information Security Manager at the number above
The upgrade from SBS 2003 to 2008 didn't go well for me. DCPromo was
fine, but somewhere through migrating accounts it failed with a generic
error message.
During this time users were unable to use the domain therefore I took the
decision to start fresh and create new user and computer accounts on the
SBS 2008 domain.
I have all my machines virtualized on one Dell 2950box. It's a monster of
a machine with two processors, plenty of hahrd disks, space and RAM but
I'm not happy. I've one single point of failure and believe me when I say,
the day it goes down is the day I'll have some serious problems. I baddly
need to buy a second box to cluster the systems so that I have something
to fall back on but I spent a hell of a lot on this box and I won't have
the money to spend on another for quite a while due to work that I want to
get done on the house.
running on the eSX box at the moment is: Windows SBS 2008, Trixbox,
Debian, Windows 2008 standard for AV etc, and a final tiny Linux box for
firewall and routing stuff.
By the way, I host a number of sites etc for people. They like Apache so
for simplicity, their sites are hosted on debian, however more and more
people are using the iPhone and like the push provided by exchange 2007 so
I'm hosting their mail on that. It's amazing how nice it all plays
together.
Back to my point. If you can avoid it, and you only have one machine to
use for ESX, I wouldn't virtualize any server that's critical unless you
are completely sure that it can be restored quickly using your backup
solution.
Speaking of backups.
With ESX, you will need to leave enough space to take a snapshot on the
datastore that you have your VM on. This basically means that as standard,
if you have a machine using 100GB, leave 200GB available in total for that
VM on the datastore. There are ways of customizing this using VMotion etc
but for one system using eSX and not ESXI, this is really not worth the
hastle.
this is my second problem. I have 4TB of space but at the moment, I just
don't have the space available to make snapshots so my backup solution is
based inside the VM's so it's not really taking advantage of what I really
wanted to get from using ESX.
So, if your thinking of virtualizing it, just be very sure that it will
meet your needs long term.
Regards
Darragh Ć HĆ©iligh
System administration
Fujitsu
Offices of the Houses of the Oireachtas,
Fredrick Building,
South Fredrick Street,
Dublin2
Telephone: +353 (1) 618 3559
Email: darragh.oheiligh@oireachtas.ie
Internet: http://www.oireachtas.ie
Regards
Darragh Ć HĆ©iligh
System administration
Fujitsu
Offices of the Houses of the Oireachtas,
Fredrick Building,
South Fredrick Street,
Dublin2
Telephone: +353 (1) 618 3559
Email: darragh.oheiligh@oireachtas.ie
Internet: http://www.oireachtas.ie
From: Andrew Hodgson
The upgrade from SBS 2003 to 2008 didn't go well for me. DCPromo was
fine, but somewhere through migrating accounts it failed with a generic
error message.
During this time users were unable to use the domain therefore I took the
decision to start fresh and create new user and computer accounts on the
SBS 2008 domain.
I have all my machines virtualized on one Dell 2950box. It's a monster of
a machine with two processors, plenty of hahrd disks, space and RAM but
I'm not happy. I've one single point of failure and believe me when I say,
the day it goes down is the day I'll have some serious problems. I baddly
need to buy a second box to cluster the systems so that I have something
to fall back on but I spent a hell of a lot on this box and I won't have
the money to spend on another for quite a while due to work that I want to
get done on the house.
running on the eSX box at the moment is: Windows SBS 2008, Trixbox,
Debian, Windows 2008 standard for AV etc, and a final tiny Linux box for
firewall and routing stuff.
By the way, I host a number of sites etc for people. They like Apache so
for simplicity, their sites are hosted on debian, however more and more
people are using the iPhone and like the push provided by exchange 2007 so
I'm hosting their mail on that. It's amazing how nice it all plays
together.
Back to my point. If you can avoid it, and you only have one machine to
use for ESX, I wouldn't virtualize any server that's critical unless you
are completely sure that it can be restored quickly using your backup
solution.
Speaking of backups.
With ESX, you will need to leave enough space to take a snapshot on the
datastore that you have your VM on. This basically means that as standard,
if you have a machine using 100GB, leave 200GB available in total for that
VM on the datastore. There are ways of customizing this using VMotion etc
but for one system using eSX and not ESXI, this is really not worth the
hastle.
this is my second problem. I have 4TB of space but at the moment, I just
don't have the space available to make snapshots so my backup solution is
based inside the VM's so it's not really taking advantage of what I really
wanted to get from using ESX.
So, if your thinking of virtualizing it, just be very sure that it will
meet your needs long term.
Regards
Darragh Ć HĆ©iligh
System administration
Fujitsu
Offices of the Houses of the Oireachtas,
Fredrick Building,
South Fredrick Street,
Dublin2
Telephone: +353 (1) 618 3559
Email: darragh.oheiligh@oireachtas.ie
Internet: http://www.oireachtas.ie
Regards
Darragh Ć HĆ©iligh
System administration
Fujitsu
Offices of the Houses of the Oireachtas,
Fredrick Building,
South Fredrick Street,
Dublin2
Telephone: +353 (1) 618 3559
Email: darragh.oheiligh@oireachtas.ie
Internet: http://www.oireachtas.ie
From: Andrew Hodgson
Hi all, I am trying to install Win 2k8 R2 on a Dell PE 840. I had a sighted helper run through the Dell setup disk but then it asks for Disk 1. If I put in the Win 2k8 DVD it spits it out and says it is the wrong disk. I have been told there may be a specific Cd or DVD that is required to be installed from Dell with the win 2k8 specific stuff before putting in the Windows DVD. Where can I get that disk? Looking at the support.dell.com site doesn't really show anything. Does anyone know what it is called, where I can get it from? Tia Frank
Hi, Where did you get the Dell installation DVD from? If you downloaded the Build and Update utility from the web, then you may need two disks depending on the file you downloaded. If you downloaded the build and update utility and have a file similar to cdu_1.4_core_277_A00.iso, then this doesn't include the Windows installation pack files needed to get Windows Server 2008 installed. That file is on the Dell website as CDUW_DVD_6.3.0-19_A00.iso, and you need to enter in the service tag to get the file. The best thing is to try and download the file om630_suu_a00.iso, which is around 2.81GB. This includes both the disks above, plus the diagnostics and documentation disk. There is also the file om630_suu_a00.iso, which is around 8GB and needs burning to a DL disk. This contains all the firmware updates for the components, and can be used as part of the build and update process. These are the two disks I try and ensure I get the latest versions of. Installing Windows Server 2008 R2 from the om630_suu_a00.iso disk will only require this single disk, the system will reboot after setting up the system for Windows Server 2008 R2 installation, and boot into WinPE, and then ask for the R2 disk, where the normal setup program will resume. Thanks. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura Sent: 03 October 2010 12:25 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Dell PE 840 Win 2008r2 install woes Hi all, I am trying to install Win 2k8 R2 on a Dell PE 840. I had a sighted helper run through the Dell setup disk but then it asks for Disk 1. If I put in the Win 2k8 DVD it spits it out and says it is the wrong disk. I have been told there may be a specific Cd or DVD that is required to be installed from Dell with the win 2k8 specific stuff before putting in the Windows DVD. Where can I get that disk? Looking at the support.dell.com site doesn't really show anything. Does anyone know what it is called, where I can get it from? Tia Frank _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
Hi, Where did you get the Dell installation DVD from? If you downloaded the Build and Update utility from the web, then you may need two disks depending on the file you downloaded. If you downloaded the build and update utility and have a file similar to cdu_1.4_core_277_A00.iso, then this doesn't include the Windows installation pack files needed to get Windows Server 2008 installed. That file is on the Dell website as CDUW_DVD_6.3.0-19_A00.iso, and you need to enter in the service tag to get the file. The best thing is to try and download the file om630_suu_a00.iso, which is around 2.81GB. This includes both the disks above, plus the diagnostics and documentation disk. There is also the file om630_suu_a00.iso, which is around 8GB and needs burning to a DL disk. This contains all the firmware updates for the components, and can be used as part of the build and update process. These are the two disks I try and ensure I get the latest versions of. Installing Windows Server 2008 R2 from the om630_suu_a00.iso disk will only require this single disk, the system will reboot after setting up the system for Windows Server 2008 R2 installation, and boot into WinPE, and then ask for the R2 disk, where the normal setup program will resume. Thanks. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura Sent: 03 October 2010 12:25 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Dell PE 840 Win 2008r2 install woes Hi all, I am trying to install Win 2k8 R2 on a Dell PE 840. I had a sighted helper run through the Dell setup disk but then it asks for Disk 1. If I put in the Win 2k8 DVD it spits it out and says it is the wrong disk. I have been told there may be a specific Cd or DVD that is required to be installed from Dell with the win 2k8 specific stuff before putting in the Windows DVD. Where can I get that disk? Looking at the support.dell.com site doesn't really show anything. Does anyone know what it is called, where I can get it from? Tia Frank _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
Andrew, whew, thanks I will have to make sure I am downloading the correct item, I am not at the box right now. Do you have a service tag that will let me get this downloaded? Thanks a million Frank -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 7:53 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Dell PE 840 Win 2008r2 install woes Hi, Where did you get the Dell installation DVD from? If you downloaded the Build and Update utility from the web, then you may need two disks depending on the file you downloaded. If you downloaded the build and update utility and have a file similar to cdu_1.4_core_277_A00.iso, then this doesn't include the Windows installation pack files needed to get Windows Server 2008 installed. That file is on the Dell website as CDUW_DVD_6.3.0-19_A00.iso, and you need to enter in the service tag to get the file. The best thing is to try and download the file om630_suu_a00.iso, which is around 2.81GB. This includes both the disks above, plus the diagnostics and documentation disk. There is also the file om630_suu_a00.iso, which is around 8GB and needs burning to a DL disk. This contains all the firmware updates for the components, and can be used as part of the build and update process. These are the two disks I try and ensure I get the latest versions of. Installing Windows Server 2008 R2 from the om630_suu_a00.iso disk will only require this single disk, the system will reboot after setting up the system for Windows Server 2008 R2 installation, and boot into WinPE, and then ask for the R2 disk, where the normal setup program will resume. Thanks. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura Sent: 03 October 2010 12:25 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Dell PE 840 Win 2008r2 install woes Hi all, I am trying to install Win 2k8 R2 on a Dell PE 840. I had a sighted helper run through the Dell setup disk but then it asks for Disk 1. If I put in the Win 2k8 DVD it spits it out and says it is the wrong disk. I have been told there may be a specific Cd or DVD that is required to be installed from Dell with the win 2k8 specific stuff before putting in the Windows DVD. Where can I get that disk? Looking at the support.dell.com site doesn't really show anything. Does anyone know what it is called, where I can get it from? Tia Frank _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
Andrew, thanks I found the download link for om630_suu_a00.iso. I assume I can boot from this and then only will require the Win2k8 R2 DVD afterwards? What F key do I press after POST to bring up the boot menu to boot from the DVD? Thanks again for this great info Frank -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 7:53 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Dell PE 840 Win 2008r2 install woes Hi, Where did you get the Dell installation DVD from? If you downloaded the Build and Update utility from the web, then you may need two disks depending on the file you downloaded. If you downloaded the build and update utility and have a file similar to cdu_1.4_core_277_A00.iso, then this doesn't include the Windows installation pack files needed to get Windows Server 2008 installed. That file is on the Dell website as CDUW_DVD_6.3.0-19_A00.iso, and you need to enter in the service tag to get the file. The best thing is to try and download the file om630_suu_a00.iso, which is around 2.81GB. This includes both the disks above, plus the diagnostics and documentation disk. There is also the file om630_suu_a00.iso, which is around 8GB and needs burning to a DL disk. This contains all the firmware updates for the components, and can be used as part of the build and update process. These are the two disks I try and ensure I get the latest versions of. Installing Windows Server 2008 R2 from the om630_suu_a00.iso disk will only require this single disk, the system will reboot after setting up the system for Windows Server 2008 R2 installation, and boot into WinPE, and then ask for the R2 disk, where the normal setup program will resume. Thanks. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura Sent: 03 October 2010 12:25 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Dell PE 840 Win 2008r2 install woes Hi all, I am trying to install Win 2k8 R2 on a Dell PE 840. I had a sighted helper run through the Dell setup disk but then it asks for Disk 1. If I put in the Win 2k8 DVD it spits it out and says it is the wrong disk. I have been told there may be a specific Cd or DVD that is required to be installed from Dell with the win 2k8 specific stuff before putting in the Windows DVD. Where can I get that disk? Looking at the support.dell.com site doesn't really show anything. Does anyone know what it is called, where I can get it from? Tia Frank _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
Hi, I made a mistake in the previous note. The file you want is OM_6.3.0_SMTD_A00.iso - the file you are downloading (around 8GB) is the update disk, which is not bootable. Press F12 at at the BIOS for the boot menu, then choose the DVD drive option. Alternatively it will boot to the DVD if it is early enough in the boot order. Thanks. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura Sent: 03 October 2010 13:21 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Dell PE 840 Win 2008r2 install woes Andrew, thanks I found the download link for om630_suu_a00.iso. I assume I can boot from this and then only will require the Win2k8 R2 DVD afterwards? What F key do I press after POST to bring up the boot menu to boot from the DVD? Thanks again for this great info Frank -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 7:53 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Dell PE 840 Win 2008r2 install woes Hi, Where did you get the Dell installation DVD from? If you downloaded the Build and Update utility from the web, then you may need two disks depending on the file you downloaded. If you downloaded the build and update utility and have a file similar to cdu_1.4_core_277_A00.iso, then this doesn't include the Windows installation pack files needed to get Windows Server 2008 installed. That file is on the Dell website as CDUW_DVD_6.3.0-19_A00.iso, and you need to enter in the service tag to get the file. The best thing is to try and download the file om630_suu_a00.iso, which is around 2.81GB. This includes both the disks above, plus the diagnostics and documentation disk. There is also the file om630_suu_a00.iso, which is around 8GB and needs burning to a DL disk. This contains all the firmware updates for the components, and can be used as part of the build and update process. These are the two disks I try and ensure I get the latest versions of. Installing Windows Server 2008 R2 from the om630_suu_a00.iso disk will only require this single disk, the system will reboot after setting up the system for Windows Server 2008 R2 installation, and boot into WinPE, and then ask for the R2 disk, where the normal setup program will resume. Thanks. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura Sent: 03 October 2010 12:25 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Dell PE 840 Win 2008r2 install woes Hi all, I am trying to install Win 2k8 R2 on a Dell PE 840. I had a sighted helper run through the Dell setup disk but then it asks for Disk 1. If I put in the Win 2k8 DVD it spits it out and says it is the wrong disk. I have been told there may be a specific Cd or DVD that is required to be installed from Dell with the win 2k8 specific stuff before putting in the Windows DVD. Where can I get that disk? Looking at the support.dell.com site doesn't really show anything. Does anyone know what it is called, where I can get it from? Tia Frank _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
Hi, I made a mistake in the previous note. The file you want is OM_6.3.0_SMTD_A00.iso - the file you are downloading (around 8GB) is the update disk, which is not bootable. Press F12 at at the BIOS for the boot menu, then choose the DVD drive option. Alternatively it will boot to the DVD if it is early enough in the boot order. Thanks. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura Sent: 03 October 2010 13:21 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Dell PE 840 Win 2008r2 install woes Andrew, thanks I found the download link for om630_suu_a00.iso. I assume I can boot from this and then only will require the Win2k8 R2 DVD afterwards? What F key do I press after POST to bring up the boot menu to boot from the DVD? Thanks again for this great info Frank -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 7:53 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Dell PE 840 Win 2008r2 install woes Hi, Where did you get the Dell installation DVD from? If you downloaded the Build and Update utility from the web, then you may need two disks depending on the file you downloaded. If you downloaded the build and update utility and have a file similar to cdu_1.4_core_277_A00.iso, then this doesn't include the Windows installation pack files needed to get Windows Server 2008 installed. That file is on the Dell website as CDUW_DVD_6.3.0-19_A00.iso, and you need to enter in the service tag to get the file. The best thing is to try and download the file om630_suu_a00.iso, which is around 2.81GB. This includes both the disks above, plus the diagnostics and documentation disk. There is also the file om630_suu_a00.iso, which is around 8GB and needs burning to a DL disk. This contains all the firmware updates for the components, and can be used as part of the build and update process. These are the two disks I try and ensure I get the latest versions of. Installing Windows Server 2008 R2 from the om630_suu_a00.iso disk will only require this single disk, the system will reboot after setting up the system for Windows Server 2008 R2 installation, and boot into WinPE, and then ask for the R2 disk, where the normal setup program will resume. Thanks. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura Sent: 03 October 2010 12:25 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Dell PE 840 Win 2008r2 install woes Hi all, I am trying to install Win 2k8 R2 on a Dell PE 840. I had a sighted helper run through the Dell setup disk but then it asks for Disk 1. If I put in the Win 2k8 DVD it spits it out and says it is the wrong disk. I have been told there may be a specific Cd or DVD that is required to be installed from Dell with the win 2k8 specific stuff before putting in the Windows DVD. Where can I get that disk? Looking at the support.dell.com site doesn't really show anything. Does anyone know what it is called, where I can get it from? Tia Frank _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
Thanks, do you have a service tag that will allow me to d/l that ISO? Thanks Frank -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 9:11 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Dell PE 840 Win 2008r2 install woes Hi, I made a mistake in the previous note. The file you want is OM_6.3.0_SMTD_A00.iso - the file you are downloading (around 8GB) is the update disk, which is not bootable. Press F12 at at the BIOS for the boot menu, then choose the DVD drive option. Alternatively it will boot to the DVD if it is early enough in the boot order. Thanks. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura Sent: 03 October 2010 13:21 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Dell PE 840 Win 2008r2 install woes Andrew, thanks I found the download link for om630_suu_a00.iso. I assume I can boot from this and then only will require the Win2k8 R2 DVD afterwards? What F key do I press after POST to bring up the boot menu to boot from the DVD? Thanks again for this great info Frank -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 7:53 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Dell PE 840 Win 2008r2 install woes Hi, Where did you get the Dell installation DVD from? If you downloaded the Build and Update utility from the web, then you may need two disks depending on the file you downloaded. If you downloaded the build and update utility and have a file similar to cdu_1.4_core_277_A00.iso, then this doesn't include the Windows installation pack files needed to get Windows Server 2008 installed. That file is on the Dell website as CDUW_DVD_6.3.0-19_A00.iso, and you need to enter in the service tag to get the file. The best thing is to try and download the file om630_suu_a00.iso, which is around 2.81GB. This includes both the disks above, plus the diagnostics and documentation disk. There is also the file om630_suu_a00.iso, which is around 8GB and needs burning to a DL disk. This contains all the firmware updates for the components, and can be used as part of the build and update process. These are the two disks I try and ensure I get the latest versions of. Installing Windows Server 2008 R2 from the om630_suu_a00.iso disk will only require this single disk, the system will reboot after setting up the system for Windows Server 2008 R2 installation, and boot into WinPE, and then ask for the R2 disk, where the normal setup program will resume. Thanks. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura Sent: 03 October 2010 12:25 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Dell PE 840 Win 2008r2 install woes Hi all, I am trying to install Win 2k8 R2 on a Dell PE 840. I had a sighted helper run through the Dell setup disk but then it asks for Disk 1. If I put in the Win 2k8 DVD it spits it out and says it is the wrong disk. I have been told there may be a specific Cd or DVD that is required to be installed from Dell with the win 2k8 specific stuff before putting in the Windows DVD. Where can I get that disk? Looking at the support.dell.com site doesn't really show anything. Does anyone know what it is called, where I can get it from? Tia Frank _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
OK thanks, just to make sure, is this the correct file: http://tinyurl.com/33zgcpy thanks Frank -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 9:11 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Dell PE 840 Win 2008r2 install woes Hi, I made a mistake in the previous note. The file you want is OM_6.3.0_SMTD_A00.iso - the file you are downloading (around 8GB) is the update disk, which is not bootable. Press F12 at at the BIOS for the boot menu, then choose the DVD drive option. Alternatively it will boot to the DVD if it is early enough in the boot order. Thanks. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura Sent: 03 October 2010 13:21 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Dell PE 840 Win 2008r2 install woes Andrew, thanks I found the download link for om630_suu_a00.iso. I assume I can boot from this and then only will require the Win2k8 R2 DVD afterwards? What F key do I press after POST to bring up the boot menu to boot from the DVD? Thanks again for this great info Frank -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 7:53 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Dell PE 840 Win 2008r2 install woes Hi, Where did you get the Dell installation DVD from? If you downloaded the Build and Update utility from the web, then you may need two disks depending on the file you downloaded. If you downloaded the build and update utility and have a file similar to cdu_1.4_core_277_A00.iso, then this doesn't include the Windows installation pack files needed to get Windows Server 2008 installed. That file is on the Dell website as CDUW_DVD_6.3.0-19_A00.iso, and you need to enter in the service tag to get the file. The best thing is to try and download the file om630_suu_a00.iso, which is around 2.81GB. This includes both the disks above, plus the diagnostics and documentation disk. There is also the file om630_suu_a00.iso, which is around 8GB and needs burning to a DL disk. This contains all the firmware updates for the components, and can be used as part of the build and update process. These are the two disks I try and ensure I get the latest versions of. Installing Windows Server 2008 R2 from the om630_suu_a00.iso disk will only require this single disk, the system will reboot after setting up the system for Windows Server 2008 R2 installation, and boot into WinPE, and then ask for the R2 disk, where the normal setup program will resume. Thanks. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura Sent: 03 October 2010 12:25 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Dell PE 840 Win 2008r2 install woes Hi all, I am trying to install Win 2k8 R2 on a Dell PE 840. I had a sighted helper run through the Dell setup disk but then it asks for Disk 1. If I put in the Win 2k8 DVD it spits it out and says it is the wrong disk. I have been told there may be a specific Cd or DVD that is required to be installed from Dell with the win 2k8 specific stuff before putting in the Windows DVD. Where can I get that disk? Looking at the support.dell.com site doesn't really show anything. Does anyone know what it is called, where I can get it from? Tia Frank _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
Hi, That seems so. It is a multipart download and you need to join the parts together. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura Sent: 03 October 2010 15:52 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Dell PE 840 Win 2008r2 install woes OK thanks, just to make sure, is this the correct file: http://tinyurl.com/33zgcpy thanks Frank -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 9:11 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Dell PE 840 Win 2008r2 install woes Hi, I made a mistake in the previous note. The file you want is OM_6.3.0_SMTD_A00.iso - the file you are downloading (around 8GB) is the update disk, which is not bootable. Press F12 at at the BIOS for the boot menu, then choose the DVD drive option. Alternatively it will boot to the DVD if it is early enough in the boot order. Thanks. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura Sent: 03 October 2010 13:21 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Dell PE 840 Win 2008r2 install woes Andrew, thanks I found the download link for om630_suu_a00.iso. I assume I can boot from this and then only will require the Win2k8 R2 DVD afterwards? What F key do I press after POST to bring up the boot menu to boot from the DVD? Thanks again for this great info Frank -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 7:53 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Dell PE 840 Win 2008r2 install woes Hi, Where did you get the Dell installation DVD from? If you downloaded the Build and Update utility from the web, then you may need two disks depending on the file you downloaded. If you downloaded the build and update utility and have a file similar to cdu_1.4_core_277_A00.iso, then this doesn't include the Windows installation pack files needed to get Windows Server 2008 installed. That file is on the Dell website as CDUW_DVD_6.3.0-19_A00.iso, and you need to enter in the service tag to get the file. The best thing is to try and download the file om630_suu_a00.iso, which is around 2.81GB. This includes both the disks above, plus the diagnostics and documentation disk. There is also the file om630_suu_a00.iso, which is around 8GB and needs burning to a DL disk. This contains all the firmware updates for the components, and can be used as part of the build and update process. These are the two disks I try and ensure I get the latest versions of. Installing Windows Server 2008 R2 from the om630_suu_a00.iso disk will only require this single disk, the system will reboot after setting up the system for Windows Server 2008 R2 installation, and boot into WinPE, and then ask for the R2 disk, where the normal setup program will resume. Thanks. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura Sent: 03 October 2010 12:25 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Dell PE 840 Win 2008r2 install woes Hi all, I am trying to install Win 2k8 R2 on a Dell PE 840. I had a sighted helper run through the Dell setup disk but then it asks for Disk 1. If I put in the Win 2k8 DVD it spits it out and says it is the wrong disk. I have been told there may be a specific Cd or DVD that is required to be installed from Dell with the win 2k8 specific stuff before putting in the Windows DVD. Where can I get that disk? Looking at the support.dell.com site doesn't really show anything. Does anyone know what it is called, where I can get it from? Tia Frank _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
Hi, That seems so. It is a multipart download and you need to join the parts together. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura Sent: 03 October 2010 15:52 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Dell PE 840 Win 2008r2 install woes OK thanks, just to make sure, is this the correct file: http://tinyurl.com/33zgcpy thanks Frank -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 9:11 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Dell PE 840 Win 2008r2 install woes Hi, I made a mistake in the previous note. The file you want is OM_6.3.0_SMTD_A00.iso - the file you are downloading (around 8GB) is the update disk, which is not bootable. Press F12 at at the BIOS for the boot menu, then choose the DVD drive option. Alternatively it will boot to the DVD if it is early enough in the boot order. Thanks. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura Sent: 03 October 2010 13:21 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Dell PE 840 Win 2008r2 install woes Andrew, thanks I found the download link for om630_suu_a00.iso. I assume I can boot from this and then only will require the Win2k8 R2 DVD afterwards? What F key do I press after POST to bring up the boot menu to boot from the DVD? Thanks again for this great info Frank -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 7:53 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Dell PE 840 Win 2008r2 install woes Hi, Where did you get the Dell installation DVD from? If you downloaded the Build and Update utility from the web, then you may need two disks depending on the file you downloaded. If you downloaded the build and update utility and have a file similar to cdu_1.4_core_277_A00.iso, then this doesn't include the Windows installation pack files needed to get Windows Server 2008 installed. That file is on the Dell website as CDUW_DVD_6.3.0-19_A00.iso, and you need to enter in the service tag to get the file. The best thing is to try and download the file om630_suu_a00.iso, which is around 2.81GB. This includes both the disks above, plus the diagnostics and documentation disk. There is also the file om630_suu_a00.iso, which is around 8GB and needs burning to a DL disk. This contains all the firmware updates for the components, and can be used as part of the build and update process. These are the two disks I try and ensure I get the latest versions of. Installing Windows Server 2008 R2 from the om630_suu_a00.iso disk will only require this single disk, the system will reboot after setting up the system for Windows Server 2008 R2 installation, and boot into WinPE, and then ask for the R2 disk, where the normal setup program will resume. Thanks. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura Sent: 03 October 2010 12:25 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Dell PE 840 Win 2008r2 install woes Hi all, I am trying to install Win 2k8 R2 on a Dell PE 840. I had a sighted helper run through the Dell setup disk but then it asks for Disk 1. If I put in the Win 2k8 DVD it spits it out and says it is the wrong disk. I have been told there may be a specific Cd or DVD that is required to be installed from Dell with the win 2k8 specific stuff before putting in the Windows DVD. Where can I get that disk? Looking at the support.dell.com site doesn't really show anything. Does anyone know what it is called, where I can get it from? Tia Frank _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
Andrew, thanks, now all I need to do is find a service tag that it likes. I appreciate your help. What do I use to join the two parts together? Thanks Frank -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 11:18 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Dell PE 840 Win 2008r2 install woes Hi, That seems so. It is a multipart download and you need to join the parts together. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura Sent: 03 October 2010 15:52 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Dell PE 840 Win 2008r2 install woes OK thanks, just to make sure, is this the correct file: http://tinyurl.com/33zgcpy thanks Frank -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 9:11 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Dell PE 840 Win 2008r2 install woes Hi, I made a mistake in the previous note. The file you want is OM_6.3.0_SMTD_A00.iso - the file you are downloading (around 8GB) is the update disk, which is not bootable. Press F12 at at the BIOS for the boot menu, then choose the DVD drive option. Alternatively it will boot to the DVD if it is early enough in the boot order. Thanks. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura Sent: 03 October 2010 13:21 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Dell PE 840 Win 2008r2 install woes Andrew, thanks I found the download link for om630_suu_a00.iso. I assume I can boot from this and then only will require the Win2k8 R2 DVD afterwards? What F key do I press after POST to bring up the boot menu to boot from the DVD? Thanks again for this great info Frank -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 7:53 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Dell PE 840 Win 2008r2 install woes Hi, Where did you get the Dell installation DVD from? If you downloaded the Build and Update utility from the web, then you may need two disks depending on the file you downloaded. If you downloaded the build and update utility and have a file similar to cdu_1.4_core_277_A00.iso, then this doesn't include the Windows installation pack files needed to get Windows Server 2008 installed. That file is on the Dell website as CDUW_DVD_6.3.0-19_A00.iso, and you need to enter in the service tag to get the file. The best thing is to try and download the file om630_suu_a00.iso, which is around 2.81GB. This includes both the disks above, plus the diagnostics and documentation disk. There is also the file om630_suu_a00.iso, which is around 8GB and needs burning to a DL disk. This contains all the firmware updates for the components, and can be used as part of the build and update process. These are the two disks I try and ensure I get the latest versions of. Installing Windows Server 2008 R2 from the om630_suu_a00.iso disk will only require this single disk, the system will reboot after setting up the system for Windows Server 2008 R2 installation, and boot into WinPE, and then ask for the R2 disk, where the normal setup program will resume. Thanks. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura Sent: 03 October 2010 12:25 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Dell PE 840 Win 2008r2 install woes Hi all, I am trying to install Win 2k8 R2 on a Dell PE 840. I had a sighted helper run through the Dell setup disk but then it asks for Disk 1. If I put in the Win 2k8 DVD it spits it out and says it is the wrong disk. I have been told there may be a specific Cd or DVD that is required to be installed from Dell with the win 2k8 specific stuff before putting in the Windows DVD. Where can I get that disk? Looking at the support.dell.com site doesn't really show anything. Does anyone know what it is called, where I can get it from? Tia Frank _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
I didn't read the recommendations, however I find the free version of AVG works very nicely. I didn't check out how it ranks with respect to finding and trapping things like viruses and malware. Vic -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of David Mehler Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 12:15 PM To: blind-sysadmins Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] free AV Hello, Does anyone have any free AV recommendations? I posted on this last week and got suggestions that were out of my range. I've tried Avast5, and the only reason it's still on is because i don't have anything else. I am not impressed with it, it's interface is in my opinion a step backward, it doesn't have any of the features 4 did, and system stability has taken a major nose dive since I installed it. Thanks. Dave. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
MS Security Essentials is a good, light-weight, offering; it has been well-received by the tech community--despite it being a MS product. On Mon, September 27, 2010 09:20, Vic.Pereira@ic.gc.ca wrote:
I didn't read the recommendations, however I find the free version of AVG works very nicely. I didn't check out how it ranks with respect to finding and trapping things like viruses and malware.
Vic
-----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of David Mehler Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 12:15 PM To: blind-sysadmins Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] free AV
Hello, Does anyone have any free AV recommendations? I posted on this last week and got suggestions that were out of my range. I've tried Avast5, and the only reason it's still on is because i don't have anything else. I am not impressed with it, it's interface is in my opinion a step backward, it doesn't have any of the features 4 did, and system stability has taken a major nose dive since I installed it. Thanks. Dave.
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