certification questions

Kelly Prescott

14 May 2015 14 May '15

10:20 p.m.

Hello to all on this list. My name is Kelly Prescott and I am currently enrolled for a degree in Information Technology-Network Administration. I am not new to this area, but up to now, my experience is with Unix/Linux systems which I have little to no problem with in terms of accessability. I managed the Network Operations Center for a ISP for about 10 years, so I am relatively experienced. My weak points are stuff involving Windows as that was not my area. This program is All Windows All the time! I am trying to do the Microsoft certifications and my forst cert attempt was a total non-success. Certiport who provided the test said it was accessible with JAWS, and it was not. So my first question is Is there anyone on here who has gone through the certification process with Microsoft, and if so, how did you manage accessability? My testing center knows less than I do about the process, and when I called certiport customer service, They told me to send a email. I did that, but I am looking for input/ideas from others so I don't have to "blaze" a new trail from scratch. -- Kelly PRescott

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Andrew Hodgson

15 May 15 May

6:09 a.m.

Hi, As others have said, the only way you will get through it is with a reader who can confidently read technical questions in a timely manner. I did the MCITP Enterprise and server 2008 R2 certs (6 exams), and only got anywhere with a training company in the UK called Firebrand. All other attempts to get certs have gone wrong. I tried to do the upgrade exam to 2012 R2 last year and had a similar failure due to not getting a competent reader. Thanks. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Kelly Prescott Sent: 14 May 2015 23:21 To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] certification questions Hello to all on this list. My name is Kelly Prescott and I am currently enrolled for a degree in Information Technology-Network Administration. I am not new to this area, but up to now, my experience is with Unix/Linux systems which I have little to no problem with in terms of accessability. I managed the Network Operations Center for a ISP for about 10 years, so I am relatively experienced. My weak points are stuff involving Windows as that was not my area. This program is All Windows All the time! I am trying to do the Microsoft certifications and my forst cert attempt was a total non-success. Certiport who provided the test said it was accessible with JAWS, and it was not. So my first question is Is there anyone on here who has gone through the certification process with Microsoft, and if so, how did you manage accessability? My testing center knows less than I do about the process, and when I called certiport customer service, They told me to send a email. I did that, but I am looking for input/ideas from others so I don't have to "blaze" a new trail from scratch. -- Kelly PRescott _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins

Andrew Hodgson

6:09 a.m.

John G Heim

4:22 p.m.

If you folks would like to try to do something about this, I suggest we form a team to look into it. If someone steps up to lead the team, we can arrange a meeting via skype with IAVIT's lawyer to see if we have any recourse. On 05/15/2015 01:09 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote:

...

Hi,

As others have said, the only way you will get through it is with a reader who can confidently read technical questions in a timely manner. I did the MCITP Enterprise and server 2008 R2 certs (6 exams), and only got anywhere with a training company in the UK called Firebrand. All other attempts to get certs have gone wrong. I tried to do the upgrade exam to 2012 R2 last year and had a similar failure due to not getting a competent reader.

Thanks. Andrew.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Kelly Prescott Sent: 14 May 2015 23:21 To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] certification questions

Hello to all on this list. My name is Kelly Prescott and I am currently enrolled for a degree in Information Technology-Network Administration. I am not new to this area, but up to now, my experience is with Unix/Linux systems which I have little to no problem with in terms of accessability. I managed the Network Operations Center for a ISP for about 10 years, so I am relatively experienced. My weak points are stuff involving Windows as that was not my area. This program is All Windows All the time! I am trying to do the Microsoft certifications and my forst cert attempt was a total non-success. Certiport who provided the test said it was accessible with JAWS, and it was not. So my first question is Is there anyone on here who has gone through the certification process with Microsoft, and if so, how did you manage accessability? My testing center knows less than I do about the process, and when I called certiport customer service, They told me to send a email.

I did that, but I am looking for input/ideas from others so I don't have to "blaze" a new trail from scratch.

-- Kelly PRescott

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Kelly Prescott

9:01 p.m.

I am up for it as I am trying to work on this just now! I wouldn't mind coordinating etc. kp On Fri, 15 May 2015, John G Heim wrote:

...

If you folks would like to try to do something about this, I suggest we form a team to look into it. If someone steps up to lead the team, we can arrange a meeting via skype with IAVIT's lawyer to see if we have any recourse.

On 05/15/2015 01:09 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote:

...
Hi,

As others have said, the only way you will get through it is with a reader who can confidently read technical questions in a timely manner. I did the MCITP Enterprise and server 2008 R2 certs (6 exams), and only got anywhere with a training company in the UK called Firebrand. All other attempts to get certs have gone wrong. I tried to do the upgrade exam to 2012 R2 last year and had a similar failure due to not getting a competent reader.

Thanks. Andrew.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Kelly Prescott Sent: 14 May 2015 23:21 To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] certification questions

Hello to all on this list. My name is Kelly Prescott and I am currently enrolled for a degree in Information Technology-Network Administration. I am not new to this area, but up to now, my experience is with Unix/Linux systems which I have little to no problem with in terms of accessability. I managed the Network Operations Center for a ISP for about 10 years, so I am relatively experienced. My weak points are stuff involving Windows as that was not my area. This program is All Windows All the time! I am trying to do the Microsoft certifications and my forst cert attempt was a total non-success. Certiport who provided the test said it was accessible with JAWS, and it was not. So my first question is Is there anyone on here who has gone through the certification process with Microsoft, and if so, how did you manage accessability? My testing center knows less than I do about the process, and when I called certiport customer service, They told me to send a email.

I did that, but I am looking for input/ideas from others so I don't have to "blaze" a new trail from scratch.

-- Kelly PRescott

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Sean Murphy

9:31 p.m.

People, I am more then willing to join the team. I have done some work internally with Cisco on this and have made good movement forward with the CCNA certs. At this stage, I cannot share much of this due to NDA. The biggest issue vendors like Microsoft, Apple, Cisco, etc has is to prevent cheating. Thus some components of the exam might be designed to prevent this from happening in turn making that part of the exam inaccessible. Thus you might still require a reader for those part if they can make the other parts of the exam accessible. In Microsoft or Apple exams, I assume there is a lot of screen shots. Thus they would have to make that information accessible some how. so how would you make a screen shot of the task manager accessible for example to ensure the same level of information and challenge is provided to all parties for that question? Sean

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On 16 May 2015, at 7:01 am, Kelly Prescott wrote:

I am up for it as I am trying to work on this just now! I wouldn't mind coordinating etc. kp

On Fri, 15 May 2015, John G Heim wrote:

...
If you folks would like to try to do something about this, I suggest we form a team to look into it. If someone steps up to lead the team, we can arrange a meeting via skype with IAVIT's lawyer to see if we have any recourse.

On 05/15/2015 01:09 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote:

...
Hi,

As others have said, the only way you will get through it is with a reader who can confidently read technical questions in a timely manner. I did the MCITP Enterprise and server 2008 R2 certs (6 exams), and only got anywhere with a training company in the UK called Firebrand. All other attempts to get certs have gone wrong. I tried to do the upgrade exam to 2012 R2 last year and had a similar failure due to not getting a competent reader.

Thanks. Andrew.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Kelly Prescott Sent: 14 May 2015 23:21 To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] certification questions

Hello to all on this list. My name is Kelly Prescott and I am currently enrolled for a degree in Information Technology-Network Administration. I am not new to this area, but up to now, my experience is with Unix/Linux systems which I have little to no problem with in terms of accessability. I managed the Network Operations Center for a ISP for about 10 years, so I am relatively experienced. My weak points are stuff involving Windows as that was not my area. This program is All Windows All the time! I am trying to do the Microsoft certifications and my forst cert attempt was a total non-success. Certiport who provided the test said it was accessible with JAWS, and it was not. So my first question is Is there anyone on here who has gone through the certification process with Microsoft, and if so, how did you manage accessability? My testing center knows less than I do about the process, and when I called certiport customer service, They told me to send a email.

I did that, but I am looking for input/ideas from others so I don't have to "blaze" a new trail from scratch.

-- Kelly PRescott

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Kelly Prescott

11:03 p.m.

...

On 16 May 2015, at 7:01 am, Kelly Prescott wrote:

I am up for it as I am trying to work on this just now! I wouldn't mind coordinating etc. kp

On Fri, 15 May 2015, John G Heim wrote:

...
If you folks would like to try to do something about this, I suggest we

Sean, I am not picking on you, but the problem isn't so much that they can't do it, they don't want to do it. We are a relatively small minority, and we are not loud enough to force them... Remember banks and ATMS, The technology was existing and proven long before banks adopted it, and then only after a long court fight! Maybe 10 years ago I would except the argument that it was to difficult to do, but I don't buy that now! And as for the security and cheating thing, courts have already said that security is not a valid reason to not provide accessability. For the tests I was trying to take, there were mostly multiple choice questions, and other people that took the test also said There were only 1 or 2 questions where they had to look at something. My test administrator was more than willing to let me see what JAWS could do, but all it saw once I started the test were unlabeled graphics. My entire class took the test, so I had about 20 people telling me the same thing. The funny thing is that on the pearsonvoo site they say that JAWS works with there tests... That is also what they told me when I called in. I am still waiting to hear back from them. I guess I'll wait a little longer. -- Kelly Prescott -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Sean Murphy Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 4:31 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] certification questions People, I am more then willing to join the team. I have done some work internally with Cisco on this and have made good movement forward with the CCNA certs. At this stage, I cannot share much of this due to NDA. The biggest issue vendors like Microsoft, Apple, Cisco, etc has is to prevent cheating. Thus some components of the exam might be designed to prevent this from happening in turn making that part of the exam inaccessible. Thus you might still require a reader for those part if they can make the other parts of the exam accessible. In Microsoft or Apple exams, I assume there is a lot of screen shots. Thus they would have to make that information accessible some how. so how would you make a screen shot of the task manager accessible for example to ensure the same level of information and challenge is provided to all parties for that question? Sean form a team to look into it. If someone steps up to lead the team, we can arrange a meeting via skype with IAVIT's lawyer to see if we have any recourse.

...

...
On 05/15/2015 01:09 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote:

...
Hi,

As others have said, the only way you will get through it is with a reader who can confidently read technical questions in a timely manner. I did the MCITP Enterprise and server 2008 R2 certs (6 exams), and only got anywhere with a training company in the UK called Firebrand. All other attempts to get certs have gone wrong. I tried to do the upgrade exam to 2012 R2 last year and had a similar failure due to not getting a competent reader.

Thanks. Andrew.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Kelly Prescott Sent: 14 May 2015 23:21 To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] certification questions

Hello to all on this list. My name is Kelly Prescott and I am currently enrolled for a degree in Information Technology-Network Administration. I am not new to this area, but up to now, my experience is with Unix/Linux systems which I have little to no problem with in terms of

accessability.

...
...
I managed the Network Operations Center for a ISP for about 10 years, so I am relatively experienced. My weak points are stuff involving Windows as that was not my area. This program is All Windows All the time! I am trying to do the Microsoft certifications and my forst cert attempt was a total non-success. Certiport who provided the test said it was accessible with JAWS, and it was not. So my first question is Is there anyone on here who has gone through the certification process with Microsoft, and if so, how did you manage accessability? My testing center knows less than I do about the process, and when I called certiport customer service, They told me to send a email.

I did that, but I am looking for input/ideas from others so I don't have to "blaze" a new trail from scratch.

-- Kelly PRescott

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John G. Heim

17 May 17 May

7:39 p.m.

Yeah, there is no excuse for certification exams to be inaccessible in this day and age. I can understand if they want to do something technically funky to prevent cheating but they'll just have to make other plans if it makes their exams inaccessible. From talking to people in the USA and Europe, it seems to me that we as a society are slowly coming to the understanding that accessibility is a right. A society is better and stronger when no one is left behind. It's not even just about paying taxes, it's about being a part of the society including everything from paying a mortgage to joining the local Lions Club. Whan a blind person gets a job in IT, we all win. When a company discriminates against blind people in their certification exams, it hurts us all. We need to fight this stuff not just for ourselves -- which is reason enough -- but also for the thousands of other blind sys admins out there who are struggling to find jobs. Accessibility is one of those rare cases where the right thing to do is also the smart thing to do. On 05/15/2015 06:03 PM, Kelly Prescott wrote:

...

Sean, I am not picking on you, but the problem isn't so much that they can't do it, they don't want to do it. We are a relatively small minority, and we are not loud enough to force them... Remember banks and ATMS, The technology was existing and proven long before banks adopted it, and then only after a long court fight! Maybe 10 years ago I would except the argument that it was to difficult to do, but I don't buy that now! And as for the security and cheating thing, courts have already said that security is not a valid reason to not provide accessability. For the tests I was trying to take, there were mostly multiple choice questions, and other people that took the test also said There were only 1 or 2 questions where they had to look at something. My test administrator was more than willing to let me see what JAWS could do, but all it saw once I started the test were unlabeled graphics. My entire class took the test, so I had about 20 people telling me the same thing. The funny thing is that on the pearsonvoo site they say that JAWS works with there tests... That is also what they told me when I called in. I am still waiting to hear back from them. I guess I'll wait a little longer.

-- Kelly Prescott

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Sean Murphy Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 4:31 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] certification questions

People, I am more then willing to join the team. I have done some work internally with Cisco on this and have made good movement forward with the CCNA certs. At this stage, I cannot share much of this due to NDA.

The biggest issue vendors like Microsoft, Apple, Cisco, etc has is to prevent cheating. Thus some components of the exam might be designed to prevent this from happening in turn making that part of the exam inaccessible. Thus you might still require a reader for those part if they can make the other parts of the exam accessible.

In Microsoft or Apple exams, I assume there is a lot of screen shots. Thus they would have to make that information accessible some how. so how would you make a screen shot of the task manager accessible for example to ensure the same level of information and challenge is provided to all parties for that question?

Sean

...
On 16 May 2015, at 7:01 am, Kelly Prescott wrote:

I am up for it as I am trying to work on this just now! I wouldn't mind coordinating etc. kp

On Fri, 15 May 2015, John G Heim wrote:

...
If you folks would like to try to do something about this, I suggest we form a team to look into it. If someone steps up to lead the team, we can arrange a meeting via skype with IAVIT's lawyer to see if we have any recourse.

On 05/15/2015 01:09 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote:

...
Hi,

As others have said, the only way you will get through it is with a reader who can confidently read technical questions in a timely manner. I did the MCITP Enterprise and server 2008 R2 certs (6 exams), and only got anywhere with a training company in the UK called Firebrand. All other attempts to get certs have gone wrong. I tried to do the upgrade exam to 2012 R2 last year and had a similar failure due to not getting a competent reader.

Thanks. Andrew.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Kelly Prescott Sent: 14 May 2015 23:21 To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] certification questions

Hello to all on this list. My name is Kelly Prescott and I am currently enrolled for a degree in Information Technology-Network Administration. I am not new to this area, but up to now, my experience is with Unix/Linux systems which I have little to no problem with in terms of accessability. I managed the Network Operations Center for a ISP for about 10 years, so I am relatively experienced. My weak points are stuff involving Windows as that was not my area. This program is All Windows All the time! I am trying to do the Microsoft certifications and my forst cert attempt was a total non-success. Certiport who provided the test said it was accessible with JAWS, and it was not. So my first question is Is there anyone on here who has gone through the certification process with Microsoft, and if so, how did you manage accessability? My testing center knows less than I do about the process, and when I called certiport customer service, They told me to send a email.

I did that, but I am looking for input/ideas from others so I don't have to "blaze" a new trail from scratch.

-- Kelly PRescott

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Barry Toner

8:40 p.m.

Hi, On this topic can anyone recommend a mock exam testing site? When I got my MCTS for Windows 7 I loved and used www.measureup.com But it's so heavy with Silverlight now it's not even possible to sign up for an account let alone sign in and take the tests. It was great because you could purchase tests and go through the questions to practice. You would also get explanations as to what the different options meant, so if you got one wrong you could learn as you went. Thanks, Barry. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of John G. Heim Sent: 17 May 2015 20:39 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] certification questions Yeah, there is no excuse for certification exams to be inaccessible in this day and age. I can understand if they want to do something technically funky to prevent cheating but they'll just have to make other plans if it makes their exams inaccessible. From talking to people in the USA and Europe, it seems to me that we as a society are slowly coming to the understanding that accessibility is a right. A society is better and stronger when no one is left behind. It's not even just about paying taxes, it's about being a part of the society including everything from paying a mortgage to joining the local Lions Club. Whan a blind person gets a job in IT, we all win. When a company discriminates against blind people in their certification exams, it hurts us all. We need to fight this stuff not just for ourselves -- which is reason enough -- but also for the thousands of other blind sys admins out there who are struggling to find jobs. Accessibility is one of those rare cases where the right thing to do is also the smart thing to do. On 05/15/2015 06:03 PM, Kelly Prescott wrote:

...

Sean, I am not picking on you, but the problem isn't so much that they can't do it, they don't want to do it. We are a relatively small minority, and we are not loud enough to force them... Remember banks and ATMS, The technology was existing and proven long before banks adopted it, and then only after a long court fight! Maybe 10 years ago I would except the argument that it was to difficult to do, but I don't buy that now! And as for the security and cheating thing, courts have already said that security is not a valid reason to not provide accessability. For the tests I was trying to take, there were mostly multiple choice questions, and other people that took the test also said There were only 1 or 2 questions where they had to look at something. My test administrator was more than willing to let me see what JAWS could do, but all it saw once I started the test were unlabeled graphics. My entire class took the test, so I had about 20 people telling me the same thing. The funny thing is that on the pearsonvoo site they say that JAWS works with there tests... That is also what they told me when I called in. I am still waiting to hear back from them. I guess I'll wait a little longer.

-- Kelly Prescott

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Sean Murphy Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 4:31 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] certification questions

People, I am more then willing to join the team. I have done some work internally with Cisco on this and have made good movement forward with the CCNA certs. At this stage, I cannot share much of this due to NDA.

The biggest issue vendors like Microsoft, Apple, Cisco, etc has is to prevent cheating. Thus some components of the exam might be designed to prevent this from happening in turn making that part of the exam inaccessible. Thus you might still require a reader for those part if they can make the other parts of the exam accessible.

In Microsoft or Apple exams, I assume there is a lot of screen shots. Thus they would have to make that information accessible some how. so how would you make a screen shot of the task manager accessible for example to ensure the same level of information and challenge is provided to all parties for that question?

Sean

...
On 16 May 2015, at 7:01 am, Kelly Prescott wrote:

I am up for it as I am trying to work on this just now! I wouldn't mind coordinating etc. kp

On Fri, 15 May 2015, John G Heim wrote:

...
If you folks would like to try to do something about this, I suggest we form a team to look into it. If someone steps up to lead the team, we can arrange a meeting via skype with IAVIT's lawyer to see if we have any recourse.

On 05/15/2015 01:09 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote:

...
Hi,

As others have said, the only way you will get through it is with a reader who can confidently read technical questions in a timely manner. I did the MCITP Enterprise and server 2008 R2 certs (6 exams), and only got anywhere with a training company in the UK called Firebrand. All other attempts to get certs have gone wrong. I tried to do the upgrade exam to 2012 R2 last year and had a similar failure due to not getting a competent reader.

Thanks. Andrew.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Kelly Prescott Sent: 14 May 2015 23:21 To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] certification questions

Hello to all on this list. My name is Kelly Prescott and I am currently enrolled for a degree in Information Technology-Network Administration. I am not new to this area, but up to now, my experience is with Unix/Linux systems which I have little to no problem with in terms of accessability. I managed the Network Operations Center for a ISP for about 10 years, so I am relatively experienced. My weak points are stuff involving Windows as that was not my area. This program is All Windows All the time! I am trying to do the Microsoft certifications and my forst cert attempt was a total non-success. Certiport who provided the test said it was accessible with JAWS, and it was not. So my first question is Is there anyone on here who has gone through the certification process with Microsoft, and if so, how did you manage accessability? My testing center knows less than I do about the process, and when I called certiport customer service, They told me to send a email.

I did that, but I am looking for input/ideas from others so I don't have to "blaze" a new trail from scratch.

-- Kelly PRescott

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Kelly Prescott

9:04 p.m.

It sounds like while we are at it we should push for these companies to make their pretesting websites accessible as well it seems to me that this would be a natural extension of what we are trying to do

Andrew Hodgson

9:35 p.m.

Hi, The ones I used a while ago weren't legal but they did use a program which worked well with JFW in review mode. I don't know whether they still exist however as they were not official and sometimes contained very accurate questions in the exams. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Barry Toner Sent: 17 May 2015 21:40 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] certification questions Hi, On this topic can anyone recommend a mock exam testing site? When I got my MCTS for Windows 7 I loved and used www.measureup.com But it's so heavy with Silverlight now it's not even possible to sign up for an account let alone sign in and take the tests. It was great because you could purchase tests and go through the questions to practice. You would also get explanations as to what the different options meant, so if you got one wrong you could learn as you went. Thanks, Barry. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of John G. Heim Sent: 17 May 2015 20:39 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] certification questions Yeah, there is no excuse for certification exams to be inaccessible in this day and age. I can understand if they want to do something technically funky to prevent cheating but they'll just have to make other plans if it makes their exams inaccessible. From talking to people in the USA and Europe, it seems to me that we as a society are slowly coming to the understanding that accessibility is a right. A society is better and stronger when no one is left behind. It's not even just about paying taxes, it's about being a part of the society including everything from paying a mortgage to joining the local Lions Club. Whan a blind person gets a job in IT, we all win. When a company discriminates against blind people in their certification exams, it hurts us all. We need to fight this stuff not just for ourselves -- which is reason enough -- but also for the thousands of other blind sys admins out there who are struggling to find jobs. Accessibility is one of those rare cases where the right thing to do is also the smart thing to do. On 05/15/2015 06:03 PM, Kelly Prescott wrote:

...

Sean, I am not picking on you, but the problem isn't so much that they can't do it, they don't want to do it. We are a relatively small minority, and we are not loud enough to force them... Remember banks and ATMS, The technology was existing and proven long before banks adopted it, and then only after a long court fight! Maybe 10 years ago I would except the argument that it was to difficult to do, but I don't buy that now! And as for the security and cheating thing, courts have already said that security is not a valid reason to not provide accessability. For the tests I was trying to take, there were mostly multiple choice questions, and other people that took the test also said There were only 1 or 2 questions where they had to look at something. My test administrator was more than willing to let me see what JAWS could do, but all it saw once I started the test were unlabeled graphics. My entire class took the test, so I had about 20 people telling me the same thing. The funny thing is that on the pearsonvoo site they say that JAWS works with there tests... That is also what they told me when I called in. I am still waiting to hear back from them. I guess I'll wait a little longer.

-- Kelly Prescott

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Sean Murphy Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 4:31 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] certification questions

People, I am more then willing to join the team. I have done some work internally with Cisco on this and have made good movement forward with the CCNA certs. At this stage, I cannot share much of this due to NDA.

The biggest issue vendors like Microsoft, Apple, Cisco, etc has is to prevent cheating. Thus some components of the exam might be designed to prevent this from happening in turn making that part of the exam inaccessible. Thus you might still require a reader for those part if they can make the other parts of the exam accessible.

In Microsoft or Apple exams, I assume there is a lot of screen shots. Thus they would have to make that information accessible some how. so how would you make a screen shot of the task manager accessible for example to ensure the same level of information and challenge is provided to all parties for that question?

Sean

...
On 16 May 2015, at 7:01 am, Kelly Prescott wrote:

I am up for it as I am trying to work on this just now! I wouldn't mind coordinating etc. kp

On Fri, 15 May 2015, John G Heim wrote:

...
If you folks would like to try to do something about this, I suggest we form a team to look into it. If someone steps up to lead the team, we can arrange a meeting via skype with IAVIT's lawyer to see if we have any recourse.

On 05/15/2015 01:09 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote:

...
Hi,

As others have said, the only way you will get through it is with a reader who can confidently read technical questions in a timely manner. I did the MCITP Enterprise and server 2008 R2 certs (6 exams), and only got anywhere with a training company in the UK called Firebrand. All other attempts to get certs have gone wrong. I tried to do the upgrade exam to 2012 R2 last year and had a similar failure due to not getting a competent reader.

Thanks. Andrew.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Kelly Prescott Sent: 14 May 2015 23:21 To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] certification questions

Hello to all on this list. My name is Kelly Prescott and I am currently enrolled for a degree in Information Technology-Network Administration. I am not new to this area, but up to now, my experience is with Unix/Linux systems which I have little to no problem with in terms of accessability. I managed the Network Operations Center for a ISP for about 10 years, so I am relatively experienced. My weak points are stuff involving Windows as that was not my area. This program is All Windows All the time! I am trying to do the Microsoft certifications and my forst cert attempt was a total non-success. Certiport who provided the test said it was accessible with JAWS, and it was not. So my first question is Is there anyone on here who has gone through the certification process with Microsoft, and if so, how did you manage accessability? My testing center knows less than I do about the process, and when I called certiport customer service, They told me to send a email.

I did that, but I am looking for input/ideas from others so I don't have to "blaze" a new trail from scratch.

-- Kelly PRescott

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Andrew Hodgson

9:35 p.m.

...

Sean, I am not picking on you, but the problem isn't so much that they can't do it, they don't want to do it. We are a relatively small minority, and we are not loud enough to force them... Remember banks and ATMS, The technology was existing and proven long before banks adopted it, and then only after a long court fight! Maybe 10 years ago I would except the argument that it was to difficult to do, but I don't buy that now! And as for the security and cheating thing, courts have already said that security is not a valid reason to not provide accessability. For the tests I was trying to take, there were mostly multiple choice questions, and other people that took the test also said There were only 1 or 2 questions where they had to look at something. My test administrator was more than willing to let me see what JAWS could do, but all it saw once I started the test were unlabeled graphics. My entire class took the test, so I had about 20 people telling me the same thing. The funny thing is that on the pearsonvoo site they say that JAWS works with there tests... That is also what they told me when I called in. I am still waiting to hear back from them. I guess I'll wait a little longer.

-- Kelly Prescott

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Sean Murphy Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 4:31 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] certification questions

People, I am more then willing to join the team. I have done some work internally with Cisco on this and have made good movement forward with the CCNA certs. At this stage, I cannot share much of this due to NDA.

The biggest issue vendors like Microsoft, Apple, Cisco, etc has is to prevent cheating. Thus some components of the exam might be designed to prevent this from happening in turn making that part of the exam inaccessible. Thus you might still require a reader for those part if they can make the other parts of the exam accessible.

In Microsoft or Apple exams, I assume there is a lot of screen shots. Thus they would have to make that information accessible some how. so how would you make a screen shot of the task manager accessible for example to ensure the same level of information and challenge is provided to all parties for that question?

Sean

...
On 16 May 2015, at 7:01 am, Kelly Prescott wrote:

I am up for it as I am trying to work on this just now! I wouldn't mind coordinating etc. kp

On Fri, 15 May 2015, John G Heim wrote:

...
If you folks would like to try to do something about this, I suggest we form a team to look into it. If someone steps up to lead the team, we can arrange a meeting via skype with IAVIT's lawyer to see if we have any recourse.

On 05/15/2015 01:09 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote:

...
Hi,

As others have said, the only way you will get through it is with a reader who can confidently read technical questions in a timely manner. I did the MCITP Enterprise and server 2008 R2 certs (6 exams), and only got anywhere with a training company in the UK called Firebrand. All other attempts to get certs have gone wrong. I tried to do the upgrade exam to 2012 R2 last year and had a similar failure due to not getting a competent reader.

Thanks. Andrew.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Kelly Prescott Sent: 14 May 2015 23:21 To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] certification questions

Hello to all on this list. My name is Kelly Prescott and I am currently enrolled for a degree in Information Technology-Network Administration. I am not new to this area, but up to now, my experience is with Unix/Linux systems which I have little to no problem with in terms of accessability. I managed the Network Operations Center for a ISP for about 10 years, so I am relatively experienced. My weak points are stuff involving Windows as that was not my area. This program is All Windows All the time! I am trying to do the Microsoft certifications and my forst cert attempt was a total non-success. Certiport who provided the test said it was accessible with JAWS, and it was not. So my first question is Is there anyone on here who has gone through the certification process with Microsoft, and if so, how did you manage accessability? My testing center knows less than I do about the process, and when I called certiport customer service, They told me to send a email.

I did that, but I am looking for input/ideas from others so I don't have to "blaze" a new trail from scratch.

-- Kelly PRescott

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Barry Toner

8:40 p.m.

...

Sean, I am not picking on you, but the problem isn't so much that they can't do it, they don't want to do it. We are a relatively small minority, and we are not loud enough to force them... Remember banks and ATMS, The technology was existing and proven long before banks adopted it, and then only after a long court fight! Maybe 10 years ago I would except the argument that it was to difficult to do, but I don't buy that now! And as for the security and cheating thing, courts have already said that security is not a valid reason to not provide accessability. For the tests I was trying to take, there were mostly multiple choice questions, and other people that took the test also said There were only 1 or 2 questions where they had to look at something. My test administrator was more than willing to let me see what JAWS could do, but all it saw once I started the test were unlabeled graphics. My entire class took the test, so I had about 20 people telling me the same thing. The funny thing is that on the pearsonvoo site they say that JAWS works with there tests... That is also what they told me when I called in. I am still waiting to hear back from them. I guess I'll wait a little longer.

-- Kelly Prescott

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Sean Murphy Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 4:31 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] certification questions

People, I am more then willing to join the team. I have done some work internally with Cisco on this and have made good movement forward with the CCNA certs. At this stage, I cannot share much of this due to NDA.

The biggest issue vendors like Microsoft, Apple, Cisco, etc has is to prevent cheating. Thus some components of the exam might be designed to prevent this from happening in turn making that part of the exam inaccessible. Thus you might still require a reader for those part if they can make the other parts of the exam accessible.

In Microsoft or Apple exams, I assume there is a lot of screen shots. Thus they would have to make that information accessible some how. so how would you make a screen shot of the task manager accessible for example to ensure the same level of information and challenge is provided to all parties for that question?

Sean

...
On 16 May 2015, at 7:01 am, Kelly Prescott wrote:

I am up for it as I am trying to work on this just now! I wouldn't mind coordinating etc. kp

On Fri, 15 May 2015, John G Heim wrote:

...
If you folks would like to try to do something about this, I suggest we form a team to look into it. If someone steps up to lead the team, we can arrange a meeting via skype with IAVIT's lawyer to see if we have any recourse.

On 05/15/2015 01:09 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote:

...
Hi,

As others have said, the only way you will get through it is with a reader who can confidently read technical questions in a timely manner. I did the MCITP Enterprise and server 2008 R2 certs (6 exams), and only got anywhere with a training company in the UK called Firebrand. All other attempts to get certs have gone wrong. I tried to do the upgrade exam to 2012 R2 last year and had a similar failure due to not getting a competent reader.

Thanks. Andrew.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Kelly Prescott Sent: 14 May 2015 23:21 To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] certification questions

Hello to all on this list. My name is Kelly Prescott and I am currently enrolled for a degree in Information Technology-Network Administration. I am not new to this area, but up to now, my experience is with Unix/Linux systems which I have little to no problem with in terms of accessability. I managed the Network Operations Center for a ISP for about 10 years, so I am relatively experienced. My weak points are stuff involving Windows as that was not my area. This program is All Windows All the time! I am trying to do the Microsoft certifications and my forst cert attempt was a total non-success. Certiport who provided the test said it was accessible with JAWS, and it was not. So my first question is Is there anyone on here who has gone through the certification process with Microsoft, and if so, how did you manage accessability? My testing center knows less than I do about the process, and when I called certiport customer service, They told me to send a email.

I did that, but I am looking for input/ideas from others so I don't have to "blaze" a new trail from scratch.

-- Kelly PRescott

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Andrew Hodgson

16 May 16 May

1:20 p.m.

Hi, Actually I found the MS exams easier to take than the Cisco exams as the biggest issue on the Cisco exams for me were the simulations and tasks where you had to enter in commands. The MS exams are slightly easier in this regard as most of it is reading text and multiple choice answers, with the occasional diagram. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Sean Murphy Sent: 15 May 2015 22:31 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] certification questions People, I am more then willing to join the team. I have done some work internally with Cisco on this and have made good movement forward with the CCNA certs. At this stage, I cannot share much of this due to NDA. The biggest issue vendors like Microsoft, Apple, Cisco, etc has is to prevent cheating. Thus some components of the exam might be designed to prevent this from happening in turn making that part of the exam inaccessible. Thus you might still require a reader for those part if they can make the other parts of the exam accessible. In Microsoft or Apple exams, I assume there is a lot of screen shots. Thus they would have to make that information accessible some how. so how would you make a screen shot of the task manager accessible for example to ensure the same level of information and challenge is provided to all parties for that question? Sean

...

On 16 May 2015, at 7:01 am, Kelly Prescott wrote:

I am up for it as I am trying to work on this just now! I wouldn't mind coordinating etc. kp

On Fri, 15 May 2015, John G Heim wrote:

...
If you folks would like to try to do something about this, I suggest we form a team to look into it. If someone steps up to lead the team, we can arrange a meeting via skype with IAVIT's lawyer to see if we have any recourse.

On 05/15/2015 01:09 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote:

...
Hi,

As others have said, the only way you will get through it is with a reader who can confidently read technical questions in a timely manner. I did the MCITP Enterprise and server 2008 R2 certs (6 exams), and only got anywhere with a training company in the UK called Firebrand. All other attempts to get certs have gone wrong. I tried to do the upgrade exam to 2012 R2 last year and had a similar failure due to not getting a competent reader.

Thanks. Andrew.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Kelly Prescott Sent: 14 May 2015 23:21 To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] certification questions

Hello to all on this list. My name is Kelly Prescott and I am currently enrolled for a degree in Information Technology-Network Administration. I am not new to this area, but up to now, my experience is with Unix/Linux systems which I have little to no problem with in terms of accessability. I managed the Network Operations Center for a ISP for about 10 years, so I am relatively experienced. My weak points are stuff involving Windows as that was not my area. This program is All Windows All the time! I am trying to do the Microsoft certifications and my forst cert attempt was a total non-success. Certiport who provided the test said it was accessible with JAWS, and it was not. So my first question is Is there anyone on here who has gone through the certification process with Microsoft, and if so, how did you manage accessability? My testing center knows less than I do about the process, and when I called certiport customer service, They told me to send a email.

I did that, but I am looking for input/ideas from others so I don't have to "blaze" a new trail from scratch.

-- Kelly PRescott

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Andrew Hodgson

1:20 p.m.

...

On 16 May 2015, at 7:01 am, Kelly Prescott wrote:

I am up for it as I am trying to work on this just now! I wouldn't mind coordinating etc. kp

On Fri, 15 May 2015, John G Heim wrote:

...
If you folks would like to try to do something about this, I suggest we form a team to look into it. If someone steps up to lead the team, we can arrange a meeting via skype with IAVIT's lawyer to see if we have any recourse.

On 05/15/2015 01:09 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote:

...
Hi,

As others have said, the only way you will get through it is with a reader who can confidently read technical questions in a timely manner. I did the MCITP Enterprise and server 2008 R2 certs (6 exams), and only got anywhere with a training company in the UK called Firebrand. All other attempts to get certs have gone wrong. I tried to do the upgrade exam to 2012 R2 last year and had a similar failure due to not getting a competent reader.

Thanks. Andrew.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Kelly Prescott Sent: 14 May 2015 23:21 To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] certification questions

Hello to all on this list. My name is Kelly Prescott and I am currently enrolled for a degree in Information Technology-Network Administration. I am not new to this area, but up to now, my experience is with Unix/Linux systems which I have little to no problem with in terms of accessability. I managed the Network Operations Center for a ISP for about 10 years, so I am relatively experienced. My weak points are stuff involving Windows as that was not my area. This program is All Windows All the time! I am trying to do the Microsoft certifications and my forst cert attempt was a total non-success. Certiport who provided the test said it was accessible with JAWS, and it was not. So my first question is Is there anyone on here who has gone through the certification process with Microsoft, and if so, how did you manage accessability? My testing center knows less than I do about the process, and when I called certiport customer service, They told me to send a email.

I did that, but I am looking for input/ideas from others so I don't have to "blaze" a new trail from scratch.

-- Kelly PRescott

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John G. Heim

17 May 17 May

6:59 p.m.

Okay, so what I'll do is put you in touch with our lawyer. Then you can see if you can find a time for all of us who have expressed an interest in helping out to get together for a meeting. The other IAVIT teams always meet via skype. On 05/15/2015 04:01 PM, Kelly Prescott wrote:

...

I am up for it as I am trying to work on this just now! I wouldn't mind coordinating etc. kp

On Fri, 15 May 2015, John G Heim wrote:

...
If you folks would like to try to do something about this, I suggest we form a team to look into it. If someone steps up to lead the team, we can arrange a meeting via skype with IAVIT's lawyer to see if we have any recourse.

On 05/15/2015 01:09 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote:

...
Hi,

As others have said, the only way you will get through it is with a reader who can confidently read technical questions in a timely manner. I did the MCITP Enterprise and server 2008 R2 certs (6 exams), and only got anywhere with a training company in the UK called Firebrand. All other attempts to get certs have gone wrong. I tried to do the upgrade exam to 2012 R2 last year and had a similar failure due to not getting a competent reader.

Thanks. Andrew.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Kelly Prescott Sent: 14 May 2015 23:21 To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] certification questions

Hello to all on this list. My name is Kelly Prescott and I am currently enrolled for a degree in Information Technology-Network Administration. I am not new to this area, but up to now, my experience is with Unix/Linux systems which I have little to no problem with in terms of accessability. I managed the Network Operations Center for a ISP for about 10 years, so I am relatively experienced. My weak points are stuff involving Windows as that was not my area. This program is All Windows All the time! I am trying to do the Microsoft certifications and my forst cert attempt was a total non-success. Certiport who provided the test said it was accessible with JAWS, and it was not. So my first question is Is there anyone on here who has gone through the certification process with Microsoft, and if so, how did you manage accessability? My testing center knows less than I do about the process, and when I called certiport customer service, They told me to send a email.

I did that, but I am looking for input/ideas from others so I don't have to "blaze" a new trail from scratch.

-- Kelly PRescott

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