Hi all: How long has this been happening? Has anyone reported this to the Enterprise Disability Answer Desk<mailto:edad@microsoft.com> at MS, obviously if this is a JAWS issue they won’t be able to do much and Glen is seeing this already, but if this is a Microsoft issue it’d help to at least have an EDAD ticket I could use if we need to track that team down. Thanks. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew@hodgson.io <mailto:andrew@hodgson.io>> Reply-To: Mailing list for blind system administrators <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org <mailto:blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org>> Date: Monday, June 26, 2023 at 4:09 PM To: Mailing list for blind system administrators <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org <mailto:blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Losing focus in terminal all the time Hi. For me this isn't resolved by alt+tab, though running Terminal as an admin is fixing it for me. I will try the suggestions you have written here as a desperation attempt because this is so bad. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Glen Gordon <GGordon@Vispero.com <mailto:GGordon@Vispero.com>> Sent: Monday, June 26, 2023 7:47 PM To: Mailing list for blind system administrators <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org <mailto:blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Losing focus in terminal all the time Hi, Darragh and Andrew, Sorry to hear that you're having issues with this. If I were seeing it, I'd go absolutely nuts, and I'll do my best to help get it resolved. Does it happen seemingly out of nowhere where the echoing of command output works and then suddenly stops, or does something seem to provoke it? When it happens, does doing a SayLine on the line you're editing work or is that broken too? I ask because my suspicion is that something like an incoming email notification is briefly stealing focus away from Terminal and then putting it back, but JAWS no longer thinks that focus is in an area where we should automatically speak newly written text. Darragh's comment that Alt+Tabbing away and back temporarily resolves the issue is in line with this theory. The next time this happens, will you try the following: Turn on JAWS HomeRow/Utility Mode with JAWSKey+Windows+NumPad minus. It's a toggle, so pressing it a second time will turn it off. While in HomeRow mode, press Control+F12. This will dump a bunch of information about the control with focus and its ancestors to the virtual buffer. Escape will get you back to Terminal. If things are failing in the way I suspect, this info will be slightly different in the failure case than when things are working. Feel free to send me the output for inspection. And by all means, let me know anything else that you think might figure into the problem. Thanks --Glen -----Original Message----- From: Darragh Ó Héiligh <d@digitaldarragh.com <mailto:d@digitaldarragh.com>> Sent: Monday, June 26, 2023 12:39 PM To: Mailing list for blind system administrators <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org <mailto:blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Losing focus in terminal all the time CAUTION: This email originated outside Vispero. Do not click links, open attachments or forward unless you recognize the sender. Happening to me as well. I usually need to alt tab away and back again before speech returns. I don't know if it's also happening with NVDA. -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew@hodgson.io <mailto:andrew@hodgson.io>> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2023 11:01 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org <mailto:blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org>> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Losing focus in terminal all the time Hi. Latest JFW and Windows 11 builds on multiple machines, I lose speech output in the terminal or command prompt when navigating to and from the window. What I mean by this is I am not hearing the output of commands or what I am typing into the window. This is really starting to stress me out now and I can't believe I am the only person experiencing it. Its been happening since the beginning of the year since a Windows update I think. Any suggestions? Thanks. 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