I think there's an actual open source implementation of the remote desktop protocol. Not sure if that applies here, though. Get Outlook for Androidhttps://aka.ms/ghei36 ________________________________ From: Blind-sysadmins on behalf of Ian Sharpe Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 5:27:37 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Mac OS remote desktop with speech feedback? I'm afraid I haven't got any experience accessing a Mac running VO remotely, but I am using an Azure VM running NVDA for development via the Win 10 RDP client and find it perfectly usable. There is obviously a delay, but it is barely noticeable, and suspect some may not even realize the screen reader was running remotely if they didn't use a screen reader every day. The only problem I find is that the speech does break up (crackle) a lot which some people may find annoying but for me, when viewed against the benefits of developing on a managed VM with virtually limitless power from virtually anywhere is a small price to pay. I believe MS have spent a lot of time optimizing sound and video over remote sessions though and so suspect Windows on the remote machine in combination with the native RDP client are probably doing some clever stuff behind the scenes to make this experience as good as it is now. So whether this would work as well for the Mac and VO is another matter. I just thought I'd reply anyway though to let you know that in principle at least, based on my experience, there's no reason why you shouldn't be able to use a Mac with VO remotely, particularly if Apple have made similar optimisations to MS in terms of remote access. Also, if it helps, I tend to take a pretty pragmatic view about this kind of situation with regard to potential work and would say if you like the look of the role, you should apply for the position regardless of any potential issues. If you do get an interview and it is going well, raise this as a potential issue. If they are interested in you and this is a key part of the role and there is no other way for you to do whatever you need to do on the Mac remotely, you could ask whether they would be able to set up a test machine for you to remote into to see whether it is viable before making any decisions. If they aren't prepared to do that, it may not be a great place for you to work. If they are, the probably are, and even if you wouldn't feel comfortable using the Mac remotely, tell them. I think employers appreciate honesty and you may find they've already had a conversation with others and have worked out a way around the issue, or can get somebody else to do that particular task on the basis that you would do something else which plays to your strengths. But if it doesn't work out on this occasion, at least you're not stuck in a role which you might struggle to undertake, and the potential employer is left with a very positive impression of you which is likely to stay with them in the event other opportunities arise in the future. So I'd say just go for it - nothing ventured and all that... Cheers ian -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Barry Toner Sent: 20 May 2018 16:18 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Mac OS remote desktop with speech feedback? Hi all, I'm aware that it is probably just as handy to jump into terminal and administer through the CLI but the job I am looking at is very faig about what the remote work would be. Can VO be used in a remote desktop scenario and if so what is the general latency like real-world? Cheers. Barry. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins DISCLAIMER: NOTICE: The information contained in this email and any attachments is confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient you should not use, disclose, distribute or copy any of the content of it or of any attachment; you are requested to notify the sender immediately of your receipt of the email and then to permanently delete it and any attachments from your system. Manx Blind Welfare Society endeavours to ensure that emails and any attachments generated by its staff are free from viruses or other contaminants. However, it cannot accept any responsibility for any such which are transmitted. We therefore recommend you scan all attachments with the appropriate software. Please note that the statements and views expressed in this email and any attachments are those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Manx Blind Welfare Society. Manx Blind Welfare Society. Isle of Man Registered Charity Number 132 Website: https://www.mbws.org.im _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins

I'm currently trying to get access to another Mac that isn't locked down so I can test this out. However I also found this. It won't help you out right now, but it looks promessing at least: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5536099/ If I am able to test Mac to Mac screen share using the native Apple client I will let you know if it works. I have personally had success using 'tmate', 'screen' or similar, however they do have to be installed and enabled on the other system. In the case of 'tmate' you may also have to set up a server, if you don't want to use 'tmate.io'. The advantage with 'tmate' at least, is it offers a read-only mode. This is very useful for my line of work, as sometimes the customer just wants us to do it for them. Note these apps are for terminal access/connection only. Hope this helps, Jen. On 5/22/18, Ian Sharpe wrote:

I'm afraid I haven't got any experience accessing a Mac running VO remotely, but I am using an Azure VM running NVDA for development via the Win 10 RDP client and find it perfectly usable. There is obviously a delay, but it is barely noticeable, and suspect some may not even realize the screen reader was running remotely if they didn't use a screen reader every day.

The only problem I find is that the speech does break up (crackle) a lot which some people may find annoying but for me, when viewed against the benefits of developing on a managed VM with virtually limitless power from virtually anywhere is a small price to pay.

I believe MS have spent a lot of time optimizing sound and video over remote sessions though and so suspect Windows on the remote machine in combination with the native RDP client are probably doing some clever stuff behind the scenes to make this experience as good as it is now. So whether this would work as well for the Mac and VO is another matter.

I just thought I'd reply anyway though to let you know that in principle at least, based on my experience, there's no reason why you shouldn't be able to use a Mac with VO remotely, particularly if Apple have made similar optimisations to MS in terms of remote access.

Also, if it helps, I tend to take a pretty pragmatic view about this kind of situation with regard to potential work and would say if you like the look of the role, you should apply for the position regardless of any potential issues.

If you do get an interview and it is going well, raise this as a potential issue. If they are interested in you and this is a key part of the role and there is no other way for you to do whatever you need to do on the Mac remotely, you could ask whether they would be able to set up a test machine for you to remote into to see whether it is viable before making any decisions. If they aren't prepared to do that, it may not be a great place for you to work. If they are, the probably are, and even if you wouldn't feel comfortable using the Mac remotely, tell them. I think employers appreciate honesty and you may find they've already had a conversation with others and have worked out a way around the issue, or can get somebody else to do that particular task on the basis that you would do something else which plays to your strengths. But if it doesn't work out on this occasion, at least you're not stuck in a role which you might struggle to undertake, and the potential employer is left with a very positive impression of you which is likely to stay with them in the event other opportunities arise in the future.

So I'd say just go for it - nothing ventured and all that...

Cheers ian

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Barry Toner Sent: 20 May 2018 16:18 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Mac OS remote desktop with speech feedback?

Hi all,

I'm aware that it is probably just as handy to jump into terminal and administer through the CLI but the job I am looking at is very faig about what the remote work would be.

Can VO be used in a remote desktop scenario and if so what is the general latency like real-world?

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We get customers wanting to do things. At least in my job. I know what you mean Get Outlook for Androidhttps://aka.ms/ghei36 ________________________________ From: Blind-sysadmins on behalf of mattias jonsson Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 6:05:12 AM To: Blind sysadmins list; Ian Sharpe Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Mac OS remote desktop with speech feedback? and how do you actually create a vm in azure På 22 maj 2018 11:28:54 fm Ian Sharpe skrev:

I'm afraid I haven't got any experience accessing a Mac running VO remotely, but I am using an Azure VM running NVDA for development via the Win 10 RDP client and find it perfectly usable. There is obviously a delay, but it is barely noticeable, and suspect some may not even realize the screen reader was running remotely if they didn't use a screen reader every day.

The only problem I find is that the speech does break up (crackle) a lot which some people may find annoying but for me, when viewed against the benefits of developing on a managed VM with virtually limitless power from virtually anywhere is a small price to pay.

I believe MS have spent a lot of time optimizing sound and video over remote sessions though and so suspect Windows on the remote machine in combination with the native RDP client are probably doing some clever stuff behind the scenes to make this experience as good as it is now. So whether this would work as well for the Mac and VO is another matter.

I just thought I'd reply anyway though to let you know that in principle at least, based on my experience, there's no reason why you shouldn't be able to use a Mac with VO remotely, particularly if Apple have made similar optimisations to MS in terms of remote access.

Also, if it helps, I tend to take a pretty pragmatic view about this kind of situation with regard to potential work and would say if you like the look of the role, you should apply for the position regardless of any potential issues.

If you do get an interview and it is going well, raise this as a potential issue. If they are interested in you and this is a key part of the role and there is no other way for you to do whatever you need to do on the Mac remotely, you could ask whether they would be able to set up a test machine for you to remote into to see whether it is viable before making any decisions. If they aren't prepared to do that, it may not be a great place for you to work. If they are, the probably are, and even if you wouldn't feel comfortable using the Mac remotely, tell them. I think employers appreciate honesty and you may find they've already had a conversation with others and have worked out a way around the issue, or can get somebody else to do that particular task on the basis that you would do something else which plays to your strengths. But if it doesn't work out on this occasion, at least you're not stuck in a role which you might struggle to undertake, and the potential employer is left with a very positive impression of you which is likely to stay with them in the event other opportunities arise in the future.

So I'd say just go for it - nothing ventured and all that...

Cheers ian

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Barry Toner Sent: 20 May 2018 16:18 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Mac OS remote desktop with speech feedback?

Hi all,

I'm aware that it is probably just as handy to jump into terminal and administer through the CLI but the job I am looking at is very faig about what the remote work would be.

Can VO be used in a remote desktop scenario and if so what is the general latency like real-world?

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I'll try it out tonight when I get home from work; I'll try to connect to my MBA from my MBP. Kind regards, Kieran On Tue, 22 May 2018 at 11:11, Katherine M. Moss via Blind-sysadmins < blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> wrote:

We get customers wanting to do things. At least in my job. I know what you mean

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________________________________ From: Blind-sysadmins on behalf of mattias jonsson Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 6:05:12 AM To: Blind sysadmins list; Ian Sharpe Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Mac OS remote desktop with speech feedback?

and how do you actually create a vm in azure

På 22 maj 2018 11:28:54 fm Ian Sharpe skrev:

...

I'm afraid I haven't got any experience accessing a Mac running VO remotely, but I am using an Azure VM running NVDA for development via the Win 10 RDP client and find it perfectly usable. There is obviously a delay, but it is barely noticeable, and suspect some may not even realize the screen reader was running remotely if they didn't use a screen reader every day.

The only problem I find is that the speech does break up (crackle) a lot which some people may find annoying but for me, when viewed against the benefits of developing on a managed VM with virtually limitless power from virtually anywhere is a small price to pay.

I believe MS have spent a lot of time optimizing sound and video over remote sessions though and so suspect Windows on the remote machine in combination with the native RDP client are probably doing some clever stuff behind the scenes to make this experience as good as it is now. So whether this would work as well for the Mac and VO is another matter.

I just thought I'd reply anyway though to let you know that in principle at least, based on my experience, there's no reason why you shouldn't be able to use a Mac with VO remotely, particularly if Apple have made similar optimisations to MS in terms of remote access.

Also, if it helps, I tend to take a pretty pragmatic view about this kind of situation with regard to potential work and would say if you like the look of the role, you should apply for the position regardless of any potential issues.

If you do get an interview and it is going well, raise this as a potential issue. If they are interested in you and this is a key part of the role and there is no other way for you to do whatever you need to do on the Mac remotely, you could ask whether they would be able to set up a test machine for you to remote into to see whether it is viable before making any decisions. If they aren't prepared to do that, it may not be a great place for you to work. If they are, the probably are, and even if you wouldn't feel comfortable using the Mac remotely, tell them. I think employers appreciate honesty and you may find they've already had a conversation with others and have worked out a way around the issue, or can get somebody else to do that particular task on the basis that you would do something else which plays to your strengths. But if it doesn't work out on this occasion, at least you're not stuck in a role which you might struggle to undertake, and the potential employer is left with a very positive impression of you which is likely to stay with them in the event other opportunities arise in the future.

So I'd say just go for it - nothing ventured and all that...

Cheers ian

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Barry Toner Sent: 20 May 2018 16:18 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Mac OS remote desktop with speech feedback?

Hi all,

I'm aware that it is probably just as handy to jump into terminal and administer through the CLI but the job I am looking at is very faig about what the remote work would be.

Can VO be used in a remote desktop scenario and if so what is the general latency like real-world?

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Hi, We've had this conversation already but investigate ARM templates, Terraform or PowerShell for this workload. Real guys don't use the GUI anyway :) Today I was doing a load of upgrade work on some VMs in Azure moving from 2012 R2 using one version of the software to 2016 clustered with a backend database. I did everything using ARM templates and PowerShell on the VM side to start and stop specific VMs. I did have to use SQL Management Studio to get the SQL stuff done, but that was on my local machine using SQL connectivity. Andrew. ________________________________________ From: Blind-sysadmins [blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] on behalf of mattias jonsson [mj@mjw.se] Sent: 22 May 2018 11:05 To: Blind sysadmins list; Ian Sharpe Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Mac OS remote desktop with speech feedback? and how do you actually create a vm in azure På 22 maj 2018 11:28:54 fm Ian Sharpe skrev:

I'm afraid I haven't got any experience accessing a Mac running VO remotely, but I am using an Azure VM running NVDA for development via the Win 10 RDP client and find it perfectly usable. There is obviously a delay, but it is barely noticeable, and suspect some may not even realize the screen reader was running remotely if they didn't use a screen reader every day.

The only problem I find is that the speech does break up (crackle) a lot which some people may find annoying but for me, when viewed against the benefits of developing on a managed VM with virtually limitless power from virtually anywhere is a small price to pay.

I believe MS have spent a lot of time optimizing sound and video over remote sessions though and so suspect Windows on the remote machine in combination with the native RDP client are probably doing some clever stuff behind the scenes to make this experience as good as it is now. So whether this would work as well for the Mac and VO is another matter.

I just thought I'd reply anyway though to let you know that in principle at least, based on my experience, there's no reason why you shouldn't be able to use a Mac with VO remotely, particularly if Apple have made similar optimisations to MS in terms of remote access.

Also, if it helps, I tend to take a pretty pragmatic view about this kind of situation with regard to potential work and would say if you like the look of the role, you should apply for the position regardless of any potential issues.

If you do get an interview and it is going well, raise this as a potential issue. If they are interested in you and this is a key part of the role and there is no other way for you to do whatever you need to do on the Mac remotely, you could ask whether they would be able to set up a test machine for you to remote into to see whether it is viable before making any decisions. If they aren't prepared to do that, it may not be a great place for you to work. If they are, the probably are, and even if you wouldn't feel comfortable using the Mac remotely, tell them. I think employers appreciate honesty and you may find they've already had a conversation with others and have worked out a way around the issue, or can get somebody else to do that particular task on the basis that you would do something else which plays to your strengths. But if it doesn't work out on this occasion, at least you're not stuck in a role which you might struggle to undertake, and the potential employer is left with a very positive impression of you which is likely to stay with them in the event other opportunities arise in the future.

So I'd say just go for it - nothing ventured and all that...

Cheers ian

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Barry Toner Sent: 20 May 2018 16:18 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Mac OS remote desktop with speech feedback?

Hi all,

I'm aware that it is probably just as handy to jump into terminal and administer through the CLI but the job I am looking at is very faig about what the remote work would be.

Can VO be used in a remote desktop scenario and if so what is the general latency like real-world?

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andrew so what you saying are i can create vms with powershell På 22 maj 2018 12:17:40 em Andrew Hodgson skrev:

Hi,

We've had this conversation already but investigate ARM templates, Terraform or PowerShell for this workload. Real guys don't use the GUI anyway :)

Today I was doing a load of upgrade work on some VMs in Azure moving from 2012 R2 using one version of the software to 2016 clustered with a backend database. I did everything using ARM templates and PowerShell on the VM side to start and stop specific VMs. I did have to use SQL Management Studio to get the SQL stuff done, but that was on my local machine using SQL connectivity.

Andrew. ________________________________________ From: Blind-sysadmins [blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] on behalf of mattias jonsson [mj@mjw.se] Sent: 22 May 2018 11:05 To: Blind sysadmins list; Ian Sharpe Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Mac OS remote desktop with speech feedback?

and how do you actually create a vm in azure

På 22 maj 2018 11:28:54 fm Ian Sharpe skrev:

...

I'm afraid I haven't got any experience accessing a Mac running VO remotely, but I am using an Azure VM running NVDA for development via the Win 10 RDP client and find it perfectly usable. There is obviously a delay, but it is barely noticeable, and suspect some may not even realize the screen reader was running remotely if they didn't use a screen reader every day.

The only problem I find is that the speech does break up (crackle) a lot which some people may find annoying but for me, when viewed against the benefits of developing on a managed VM with virtually limitless power from virtually anywhere is a small price to pay.

I believe MS have spent a lot of time optimizing sound and video over remote sessions though and so suspect Windows on the remote machine in combination with the native RDP client are probably doing some clever stuff behind the scenes to make this experience as good as it is now. So whether this would work as well for the Mac and VO is another matter.

I just thought I'd reply anyway though to let you know that in principle at least, based on my experience, there's no reason why you shouldn't be able to use a Mac with VO remotely, particularly if Apple have made similar optimisations to MS in terms of remote access.

Also, if it helps, I tend to take a pretty pragmatic view about this kind of situation with regard to potential work and would say if you like the look of the role, you should apply for the position regardless of any potential issues.

If you do get an interview and it is going well, raise this as a potential issue. If they are interested in you and this is a key part of the role and there is no other way for you to do whatever you need to do on the Mac remotely, you could ask whether they would be able to set up a test machine for you to remote into to see whether it is viable before making any decisions. If they aren't prepared to do that, it may not be a great place for you to work. If they are, the probably are, and even if you wouldn't feel comfortable using the Mac remotely, tell them. I think employers appreciate honesty and you may find they've already had a conversation with others and have worked out a way around the issue, or can get somebody else to do that particular task on the basis that you would do something else which plays to your strengths. But if it doesn't work out on this occasion, at least you're not stuck in a role which you might struggle to undertake, and the potential employer is left with a very positive impression of you which is likely to stay with them in the event other opportunities arise in the future.

So I'd say just go for it - nothing ventured and all that...

Cheers ian

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Barry Toner Sent: 20 May 2018 16:18 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Mac OS remote desktop with speech feedback?

Hi all,

I'm aware that it is probably just as handy to jump into terminal and administer through the CLI but the job I am looking at is very faig about what the remote work would be.

Can VO be used in a remote desktop scenario and if so what is the general latency like real-world?

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Absolutely. Just google create azure vm using powershell. Indeed, there is even a single commandlet which creates the VM, drive, network card, virtual network and configures everything for you, although I can't find it at the moment, may be in Powershell core? Cheers Ian -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of mattias jonsson Sent: 22 May 2018 11:19 To: Blind sysadmins list; Andrew Hodgson Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Mac OS remote desktop with speech feedback? andrew so what you saying are i can create vms with powershell På 22 maj 2018 12:17:40 em Andrew Hodgson skrev:

Hi,

We've had this conversation already but investigate ARM templates, Terraform or PowerShell for this workload. Real guys don't use the GUI anyway :)

Today I was doing a load of upgrade work on some VMs in Azure moving from 2012 R2 using one version of the software to 2016 clustered with a backend database. I did everything using ARM templates and PowerShell on the VM side to start and stop specific VMs. I did have to use SQL Management Studio to get the SQL stuff done, but that was on my local machine using SQL connectivity.

Andrew. ________________________________________ From: Blind-sysadmins [blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] on behalf of mattias jonsson [mj@mjw.se] Sent: 22 May 2018 11:05 To: Blind sysadmins list; Ian Sharpe Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Mac OS remote desktop with speech feedback?

and how do you actually create a vm in azure

På 22 maj 2018 11:28:54 fm Ian Sharpe skrev:

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I'm afraid I haven't got any experience accessing a Mac running VO remotely, but I am using an Azure VM running NVDA for development via the Win 10 RDP client and find it perfectly usable. There is obviously a delay, but it is barely noticeable, and suspect some may not even realize the screen reader was running remotely if they didn't use a screen reader every day.

The only problem I find is that the speech does break up (crackle) a lot which some people may find annoying but for me, when viewed against the benefits of developing on a managed VM with virtually limitless power from virtually anywhere is a small price to pay.

I believe MS have spent a lot of time optimizing sound and video over remote sessions though and so suspect Windows on the remote machine in combination with the native RDP client are probably doing some clever stuff behind the scenes to make this experience as good as it is now. So whether this would work as well for the Mac and VO is another matter.

I just thought I'd reply anyway though to let you know that in principle at least, based on my experience, there's no reason why you shouldn't be able to use a Mac with VO remotely, particularly if Apple have made similar optimisations to MS in terms of remote access.

Also, if it helps, I tend to take a pretty pragmatic view about this kind of situation with regard to potential work and would say if you like the look of the role, you should apply for the position regardless of any potential issues.

If you do get an interview and it is going well, raise this as a potential issue. If they are interested in you and this is a key part of the role and there is no other way for you to do whatever you need to do on the Mac remotely, you could ask whether they would be able to set up a test machine for you to remote into to see whether it is viable before making any decisions. If they aren't prepared to do that, it may not be a great place for you to work. If they are, the probably are, and even if you wouldn't feel comfortable using the Mac remotely, tell them. I think employers appreciate honesty and you may find they've already had a conversation with others and have worked out a way around the issue, or can get somebody else to do that particular task on the basis that you would do something else which plays to your strengths. But if it doesn't work out on this occasion, at least you're not stuck in a role which you might struggle to undertake, and the potential employer is left with a very positive impression of you which is likely to stay with them in the event other opportunities arise in the future.

So I'd say just go for it - nothing ventured and all that...

Cheers ian

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Barry Toner Sent: 20 May 2018 16:18 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Mac OS remote desktop with speech feedback?

Hi all,

I'm aware that it is probably just as handy to jump into terminal and administer through the CLI but the job I am looking at is very faig about what the remote work would be.

Can VO be used in a remote desktop scenario and if so what is the general latency like real-world?

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and how do you actually create a vm in azure På 22 maj 2018 11:28:54 fm Ian Sharpe skrev:

I'm afraid I haven't got any experience accessing a Mac running VO remotely, but I am using an Azure VM running NVDA for development via the Win 10 RDP client and find it perfectly usable. There is obviously a delay, but it is barely noticeable, and suspect some may not even realize the screen reader was running remotely if they didn't use a screen reader every day.

The only problem I find is that the speech does break up (crackle) a lot which some people may find annoying but for me, when viewed against the benefits of developing on a managed VM with virtually limitless power from virtually anywhere is a small price to pay.

I believe MS have spent a lot of time optimizing sound and video over remote sessions though and so suspect Windows on the remote machine in combination with the native RDP client are probably doing some clever stuff behind the scenes to make this experience as good as it is now. So whether this would work as well for the Mac and VO is another matter.

I just thought I'd reply anyway though to let you know that in principle at least, based on my experience, there's no reason why you shouldn't be able to use a Mac with VO remotely, particularly if Apple have made similar optimisations to MS in terms of remote access.

Also, if it helps, I tend to take a pretty pragmatic view about this kind of situation with regard to potential work and would say if you like the look of the role, you should apply for the position regardless of any potential issues.

If you do get an interview and it is going well, raise this as a potential issue. If they are interested in you and this is a key part of the role and there is no other way for you to do whatever you need to do on the Mac remotely, you could ask whether they would be able to set up a test machine for you to remote into to see whether it is viable before making any decisions. If they aren't prepared to do that, it may not be a great place for you to work. If they are, the probably are, and even if you wouldn't feel comfortable using the Mac remotely, tell them. I think employers appreciate honesty and you may find they've already had a conversation with others and have worked out a way around the issue, or can get somebody else to do that particular task on the basis that you would do something else which plays to your strengths. But if it doesn't work out on this occasion, at least you're not stuck in a role which you might struggle to undertake, and the potential employer is left with a very positive impression of you which is likely to stay with them in the event other opportunities arise in the future.

So I'd say just go for it - nothing ventured and all that...

Cheers ian

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Barry Toner Sent: 20 May 2018 16:18 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Mac OS remote desktop with speech feedback?

Hi all,

I'm aware that it is probably just as handy to jump into terminal and administer through the CLI but the job I am looking at is very faig about what the remote work would be.

Can VO be used in a remote desktop scenario and if so what is the general latency like real-world?

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