All screen readers do; System Access will install just as happily on a virtual machine as it does on a physical machine. So does JAWS. To me, we should be screaming at Oracle for neglecting accessibility in their GUI; telling blind people to use the command line will continue to increase the mentality that it's totally okay to not make your graphical user interfaces accessible. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Scott Wheat Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 2:59 PM To: 'Blind sysadmins list' Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] VM Under Windows I have no experience with Microsoft Virtual PC, but have used Oracle VirtualBox a little. The GUI for VirtualBox is a bit difficult to use with a screen reader, but you can do everything from the command line. So, if you don't mind reading up on all of the command line commands and options, VirtualBox does seem to be quite usable. After a VM is set up and running, a screen reader (at least Window Eyes) works just fine inside the VM. Scott -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 12:03 PM To: sysadmin Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] VM Under Windows Has anyone had experience setting up a virtual machine on a system already running Windows 7? I may have the need to do this for purposes of running labs for an online class a group of folks for whom I consult might be setting up. I have two choices for doing so--Microsoft Virtual PC, or Oracle VirtualBox. Would be keen to hear of your experiences with either of these, especially with regard to using them with screenreaders. TIA _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins

Hello, The last time I used Microsoft Virtual PC I found it very inaccessible, but this was a while back and this might have changed. I have no experience with Virtualbox, though if it's usable maybe i'll give it a go. Dave On 11/15/13, Katherine Moss wrote:

All screen readers do; System Access will install just as happily on a virtual machine as it does on a physical machine. So does JAWS. To me, we should be screaming at Oracle for neglecting accessibility in their GUI; telling blind people to use the command line will continue to increase the mentality that it's totally okay to not make your graphical user interfaces accessible.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Scott Wheat Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 2:59 PM To: 'Blind sysadmins list' Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] VM Under Windows

I have no experience with Microsoft Virtual PC, but have used Oracle VirtualBox a little. The GUI for VirtualBox is a bit difficult to use with a screen reader, but you can do everything from the command line. So, if you don't mind reading up on all of the command line commands and options, VirtualBox does seem to be quite usable. After a VM is set up and running, a screen reader (at least Window Eyes) works just fine inside the VM.

Scott

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Has anyone had experience setting up a virtual machine on a system already running Windows 7? I may have the need to do this for purposes of running labs for an online class a group of folks for whom I consult might be setting up. I have two choices for doing so--Microsoft Virtual PC, or Oracle VirtualBox. Would be keen to hear of your experiences with either of these, especially with regard to using them with screenreaders.

TIA

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You can be sure that I'll be doing that when I download and attempt the install this coming week. On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 21:06:21 +0000, you wrote:

All screen readers do; System Access will install just as happily on a virtual machine as it does on a physical machine. So does JAWS. To me, we should be screaming at Oracle for neglecting accessibility in their GUI; telling blind people to use the command line will continue to increase the mentality that it's totally okay to not make your graphical user interfaces accessible.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Scott Wheat Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 2:59 PM To: 'Blind sysadmins list' Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] VM Under Windows

I have no experience with Microsoft Virtual PC, but have used Oracle VirtualBox a little. The GUI for VirtualBox is a bit difficult to use with a screen reader, but you can do everything from the command line. So, if you don't mind reading up on all of the command line commands and options, VirtualBox does seem to be quite usable. After a VM is set up and running, a screen reader (at least Window Eyes) works just fine inside the VM.

Scott

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Has anyone had experience setting up a virtual machine on a system already running Windows 7? I may have the need to do this for purposes of running labs for an online class a group of folks for whom I consult might be setting up. I have two choices for doing so--Microsoft Virtual PC, or Oracle VirtualBox. Would be keen to hear of your experiences with either of these, especially with regard to using them with screenreaders.

TIA

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To clean up any installation messes, just use revo uninstaller. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 8:36 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] VM Under Windows Ah, this is goodness itself. Getting it set up from the command-line shouldn't be impossible, and once set up, running somebody's screenreader inside it is the thing I want to do anyway, so I'll download it and give it a try. Do you or anyone else know what kind of mess it makes of the registry when installed, or, how much of a mess does it leave behind when removed? I'm probably going to have to test it on a machine of my own before I get my hands on a production machine on which to install it for real, and I'd prefer to make all the mistakes at my house before taking my show on the road, so to speak. On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 12:59:30 -0700, you wrote:

I have no experience with Microsoft Virtual PC, but have used Oracle VirtualBox a little. The GUI for VirtualBox is a bit difficult to use with a screen reader, but you can do everything from the command line. So, if you don't mind reading up on all of the command line commands and options, VirtualBox does seem to be quite usable. After a VM is set up and running, a screen reader (at least Window Eyes) works just fine inside the VM.

Scott

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Has anyone had experience setting up a virtual machine on a system already running Windows 7? I may have the need to do this for purposes of running labs for an online class a group of folks for whom I consult might be setting up. I have two choices for doing so--Microsoft Virtual PC, or Oracle VirtualBox. Would be keen to hear of your experiences with either of these, especially with regard to using them with screenreaders.

TIA

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OK, I have a virtual environment, but haven't done anything with installing accessibility tools yet. Before I make a blunder of this, I thought I'd ask the following: 1. I cheated a little--I had some help via TeamViewer to install VirtualBox for the first time and then some local help to get it working. I've back-tracked over what we did and am almost confident I could do it myself again from zip, all but the Windows installation. 2. If I boot Windows normally (the real one, not the virtual one) and then start speech--JAWS, let's say, for argument's sake, does it go away when the virtual environment is started, or does the copy of JAWS that was first run become the running accessibility in the virtual environment? 3. If the answer to #2 is no--initial speechware does not work in virtual space--is it OK to have JAWS running twice--once in the real hardware booted environment and again in the VM? What I'm trying to find out is this: . How many enstantiations of JAWS are required? . If only one, then when--at initial hardware boot or in the VM? Thanks in advance for any and all information.

Thanks, Scott. It does. Or, more accurately, it did. Got it all going now. On Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:56:12 -0700, you wrote:

You will end up with multiple copies of your screen reader running. One in your host copy of windows and one in each VM that is running windows. It is fine to have them all running at the same time. When you switch to a VM that copy of the screen reader is the "working" copy and when you switch back to your host OS, that copy will be running. A VM needs to be looked at as if it were a separate piece of hardware. It of course isn't quite that simple, but for the perposes of running specific applications (even the screen reader) it is. I have a set up where I am running Window Eyes as my screen reader. I have it running on my host OS and in a VM. I al so run a Linix OS in another VM using another screen reader. What fun!

Hope this helps.

Scott

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OK, I have a virtual environment, but haven't done anything with installing accessibility tools yet. Before I make a blunder of this, I thought I'd ask the following:

1. I cheated a little--I had some help via TeamViewer to install VirtualBox for the first time and then some local help to get it working. I've back-tracked over what we did and am almost confident I could do it myself again from zip, all but the Windows installation.

2. If I boot Windows normally (the real one, not the virtual one) and then start speech--JAWS, let's say, for argument's sake, does it go away when the virtual environment is started, or does the copy of JAWS that was first run become the running accessibility in the virtual environment?

3. If the answer to #2 is no--initial speechware does not work in virtual space--is it OK to have JAWS running twice--once in the real hardware booted environment and again in the VM?

What I'm trying to find out is this:

. How many enstantiations of JAWS are required?

. If only one, then when--at initial hardware boot or in the VM?

Thanks in advance for any and all information.

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They are two separate environments. JAWS on the host doesn't effect JAWS on the guest. Run both at the same time and nothing ad will come of it. And you no longer need Windows installation assistance if you use Winstaller. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:31 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] VM Under Windows OK, I have a virtual environment, but haven't done anything with installing accessibility tools yet. Before I make a blunder of this, I thought I'd ask the following: 1. I cheated a little--I had some help via TeamViewer to install VirtualBox for the first time and then some local help to get it working. I've back-tracked over what we did and am almost confident I could do it myself again from zip, all but the Windows installation. 2. If I boot Windows normally (the real one, not the virtual one) and then start speech--JAWS, let's say, for argument's sake, does it go away when the virtual environment is started, or does the copy of JAWS that was first run become the running accessibility in the virtual environment? 3. If the answer to #2 is no--initial speechware does not work in virtual space--is it OK to have JAWS running twice--once in the real hardware booted environment and again in the VM? What I'm trying to find out is this: . How many enstantiations of JAWS are required? . If only one, then when--at initial hardware boot or in the VM? Thanks in advance for any and all information. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins