I totally second this. Window-Eyes has the best remote access support I've seen, and its seemless. The only downside to it is it needs to be installed on the server and it requires a reboot, but I consider that more a disadvantage of the screen reader model in general, not Window-Eyes. The only solution I know that has worked around that is Serotek's RAM product, and I've not played with that to know how well it works in practice. Troy, you're actually ahead of me, I can't get Window-Eyes to work if I'm already RDP'd into a box and RDP into another one. I just assumed it was a limitation of their implementation and never thought twice about it. Did you have to do anything special to get that to work? Ryan -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Troy Hergert Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 7:58 AM To: dave.mehler@gmail.com; Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] remote desktop Hi Dave, Don't know if this is the outside of the box answer you need; but I use Window-eyes for most of my network needs and I use RDP like a wild man around here. It's very smooth and doesn't require an extra license. I've even logged into a central server and then out to other workstations from there. Troy Hergert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave" To: "'Blind sysadmins list'" Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 4:16 PM Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] remote desktop

Hello, I've got a question and i'm hoping for a thinking out of the box type fix. Remote desktop and screen readers, i'm needing access. I've got xp remote workstations i need to get to from a centrally located workstation. Our copy of jfw9 does not have remote access key in it, and getting it isn't going to happen. I'd like to get remote desktop sessions working. Is there a jfw alternative that could be used to correct this situation, sa2go, or one of the free screen readers, or something else? Thanks. Dave.

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I have a 2008 test box at home that I have been successful using with WE 6.1. On Sun, September 7, 2008 06:27, Andrew Hodgson wrote:

Hi,

I have also never got the chaining RDP working in Windoweyes.

You can do the install and reboot later if you do the install in the right orde - i.e, do the custom install, install the intercepter, then reboot when required.

What is worrying me presently with WE is that they don't seem to support Windows Server 2008 and no manufacturer is supporting a 64-bit Windows, meaning for example any admin wanting to do a live Exchange 2007 deployment will be a bit stuck.

Andrew.

-----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart Sent: 06 September 2008 07:07 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] remote desktop

I totally second this. Window-Eyes has the best remote access support I've seen, and its seemless. The only downside to it is it needs to be installed on the server and it requires a reboot, but I consider that more a disadvantage of the screen reader model in general, not Window-Eyes. The only solution I know that has worked around that is Serotek's RAM product, and I've not played with that to know how well it works in practice. Troy, you're actually ahead of me, I can't get Window-Eyes to work if I'm already RDP'd into a box and RDP into another one. I just assumed it was a limitation of their implementation and never thought twice about it. Did you have to do anything special to get that to work? Ryan

-----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Troy Hergert Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 7:58 AM To: dave.mehler@gmail.com; Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] remote desktop

Hi Dave,

Don't know if this is the outside of the box answer you need; but I use Window-eyes for most of my network needs and I use RDP like a wild man around here. It's very smooth and doesn't require an extra license. I've even logged into a central server and then out to other workstations from there.

Troy Hergert

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...

Hello, I've got a question and i'm hoping for a thinking out of the box type fix. Remote desktop and screen readers, i'm needing access. I've got xp remote workstations i need to get to from a centrally located workstation. Our copy of jfw9 does not have remote access key in it, and getting it isn't going to happen. I'd like to get remote desktop sessions working. Is there a jfw alternative that could be used to correct this situation, sa2go, or one of the free screen readers, or something else? Thanks. Dave.

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It is the 32-bit version--which as you point out, will not support Exchange 2007. I am hoping that GW Micro or Freedom Scientific get a 64-bit screen reader released soon or my job is going to suffer. I believe it is possible to admin Exchange 2007 from 32-bit XP or Vista but that does not cover everythingan Exchange admin needs access to. I've fixed my posting issue--thanks for taking care of the last post. Matt On Sun, September 7, 2008 08:30, Andrew Hodgson wrote:

Hi,

Was that the 32-bit version? I only have access to the X86_64 version at work, and if I put Exchange 2007 on a new test box I have at home, that will need to be 64-bit edition also. I may end up moving my email to a non-Exchange server, because of the rising cost of power etc, but that is another story.

I asked the GW Micro folks about this and they said they didn't think WE would work with Server 2008, so that is good to know anyway.

BTW, I had to approve your message going out on the list since it came from a nonregistered email address.

Thanks. Andrew.

-----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of White, Matt Sent: 07 September 2008 14:16 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] remote desktop

I have a 2008 test box at home that I have been successful using with WE 6.1.

On Sun, September 7, 2008 06:27, Andrew Hodgson wrote:

...

Hi,

I have also never got the chaining RDP working in Windoweyes.

You can do the install and reboot later if you do the install in the right orde - i.e, do the custom install, install the intercepter, then reboot when required.

What is worrying me presently with WE is that they don't seem to support Windows Server 2008 and no manufacturer is supporting a 64-bit Windows, meaning for example any admin wanting to do a live Exchange 2007 deployment will be a bit stuck.

Andrew.

-----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart Sent: 06 September 2008 07:07 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] remote desktop

I totally second this. Window-Eyes has the best remote access support I've seen, and its seemless. The only downside to it is it needs to be installed on the server and it requires a reboot, but I consider that more a disadvantage of the screen reader model in general, not Window-Eyes. The only solution I know that has worked around that is Serotek's RAM product, and I've not played with that to know how well it works in practice. Troy, you're actually ahead of me, I can't get Window-Eyes to work if I'm already RDP'd into a box and RDP into another one. I just assumed it was a limitation of their implementation and never thought twice about it. Did you have to do anything special to get that to work? Ryan

-----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Troy Hergert Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 7:58 AM To: dave.mehler@gmail.com; Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] remote desktop

Hi Dave,

Don't know if this is the outside of the box answer you need; but I use Window-eyes for most of my network needs and I use RDP like a wild man around here. It's very smooth and doesn't require an extra license. I've even logged into a central server and then out to other workstations from there.

Troy Hergert

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...

Hello, I've got a question and i'm hoping for a thinking out of the box type fix. Remote desktop and screen readers, i'm needing access. I've got xp remote workstations i need to get to from a centrally located workstation. Our copy of jfw9 does not have remote access key in it, and getting it isn't going to happen. I'd like to get remote desktop sessions working. Is there a jfw alternative that could be used to correct this situation, sa2go, or one of the free screen readers, or something else? Thanks. Dave.

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Hi: Technically, there is a 32-bit version of Exchange 2007. Microsoft just doesn't support it in production environments. It does work, however. I'm a little conserned about access to 64-bit systems as well, my job has told me that long term, I have to have access to these systems. I'm trying to figure out why GW-Micro and Freedom seem so anti 64-bit computing, is it simply the relatively low usage numbers, or is there some kind of huge technical hurtle involved in porting a screen reader to 64-bit? All three of the major screen readers support running apps over Citrix and TS, and outside the remote administration area, AKA people actually needing to access Citrix apps for their jobs, a lot of that is moving 64-bit, so... Ryan -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of White, Matt Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 8:59 AM To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] remote desktop It is the 32-bit version--which as you point out, will not support Exchange 2007. I am hoping that GW Micro or Freedom Scientific get a 64-bit screen reader released soon or my job is going to suffer. I believe it is possible to admin Exchange 2007 from 32-bit XP or Vista but that does not cover everythingan Exchange admin needs access to. I've fixed my posting issue--thanks for taking care of the last post. Matt On Sun, September 7, 2008 08:30, Andrew Hodgson wrote:

Hi,

Was that the 32-bit version? I only have access to the X86_64 version at work, and if I put Exchange 2007 on a new test box I have at home, that will need to be 64-bit edition also. I may end up moving my email to a non-Exchange server, because of the rising cost of power etc, but that is another story.

I asked the GW Micro folks about this and they said they didn't think WE would work with Server 2008, so that is good to know anyway.

BTW, I had to approve your message going out on the list since it came from a nonregistered email address.

Thanks. Andrew.

-----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of White, Matt Sent: 07 September 2008 14:16 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] remote desktop

I have a 2008 test box at home that I have been successful using with WE 6.1.

On Sun, September 7, 2008 06:27, Andrew Hodgson wrote:

...

Hi,

I have also never got the chaining RDP working in Windoweyes.

You can do the install and reboot later if you do the install in the right orde - i.e, do the custom install, install the intercepter, then reboot when required.

What is worrying me presently with WE is that they don't seem to support Windows Server 2008 and no manufacturer is supporting a 64-bit Windows, meaning for example any admin wanting to do a live Exchange 2007 deployment will be a bit stuck.

Andrew.

-----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart Sent: 06 September 2008 07:07 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] remote desktop

I totally second this. Window-Eyes has the best remote access support I've seen, and its seemless. The only downside to it is it needs to be installed on the server and it requires a reboot, but I consider that more a disadvantage of the screen reader model in general, not Window-Eyes. The only solution I know that has worked around that is Serotek's RAM product, and I've not played with that to know how well it works in practice. Troy, you're actually ahead of me, I can't get Window-Eyes to work if I'm already RDP'd into a box and RDP into another one. I just assumed it was a limitation of their implementation and never thought twice about it. Did you have to do anything special to get that to work? Ryan

-----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Troy Hergert Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 7:58 AM To: dave.mehler@gmail.com; Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] remote desktop

Hi Dave,

Don't know if this is the outside of the box answer you need; but I use Window-eyes for most of my network needs and I use RDP like a wild man around here. It's very smooth and doesn't require an extra license. I've even logged into a central server and then out to other workstations from there.

Troy Hergert

----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave" To: "'Blind sysadmins list'" Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 4:16 PM Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] remote desktop

...

Hello, I've got a question and i'm hoping for a thinking out of the box type fix. Remote desktop and screen readers, i'm needing access. I've got xp remote workstations i need to get to from a centrally located workstation. Our copy of jfw9 does not have remote access key in it, and getting it isn't going to happen. I'd like to get remote desktop sessions working. Is there a jfw alternative that could be used to correct this situation, sa2go, or one of the free screen readers, or something else? Thanks. Dave.

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Hi,

Was that the 32-bit version? I only have access to the X86_64 version at work, and if I put Exchange 2007 on a new test box I have at home, that will need to be 64-bit edition also. I may end up moving my email to a non-Exchange server, because of the rising cost of power etc, but that is another story.

I asked the GW Micro folks about this and they said they didn't think WE would work with Server 2008, so that is good to know anyway.

BTW, I had to approve your message going out on the list since it came from a nonregistered email address.

Thanks. Andrew.

-----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of White, Matt Sent: 07 September 2008 14:16 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] remote desktop

I have a 2008 test box at home that I have been successful using with WE 6.1.

On Sun, September 7, 2008 06:27, Andrew Hodgson wrote:

...

Hi,

I have also never got the chaining RDP working in Windoweyes.

You can do the install and reboot later if you do the install in the right orde - i.e, do the custom install, install the intercepter,

Hi, I believe that they will have to do it eventually, yes. Though at present I don't think I would want to upgrade my desktops to 64-bit, I am the only guy at work doing development kinds of stuff not on a 64-bit platform (the main reasons they do this is to get more memory, and can then virtualise a lot more on top of that). Our AD services are now running exclusively on 64-bit platforms. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart Sent: 07 September 2008 22:15 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] remote desktop Hi: Technically, there is a 32-bit version of Exchange 2007. Microsoft just doesn't support it in production environments. It does work, however. I'm a little conserned about access to 64-bit systems as well, my job has told me that long term, I have to have access to these systems. I'm trying to figure out why GW-Micro and Freedom seem so anti 64-bit computing, is it simply the relatively low usage numbers, or is there some kind of huge technical hurtle involved in porting a screen reader to 64-bit? All three of the major screen readers support running apps over Citrix and TS, and outside the remote administration area, AKA people actually needing to access Citrix apps for their jobs, a lot of that is moving 64-bit, so... Ryan -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of White, Matt Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 8:59 AM To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] remote desktop It is the 32-bit version--which as you point out, will not support Exchange 2007. I am hoping that GW Micro or Freedom Scientific get a 64-bit screen reader released soon or my job is going to suffer. I believe it is possible to admin Exchange 2007 from 32-bit XP or Vista but that does not cover everythingan Exchange admin needs access to. I've fixed my posting issue--thanks for taking care of the last post. Matt On Sun, September 7, 2008 08:30, Andrew Hodgson wrote: then

...

reboot when required.

What is worrying me presently with WE is that they don't seem to support Windows Server 2008 and no manufacturer is supporting a 64-bit Windows, meaning for example any admin wanting to do a live Exchange 2007 deployment will be a bit stuck.

Andrew.

-----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart Sent: 06 September 2008 07:07 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] remote desktop

I totally second this. Window-Eyes has the best remote access support I've seen, and its seemless. The only downside to it is it needs to be installed on the server and it requires a reboot, but I consider that more a disadvantage of the screen reader model in general, not Window-Eyes. The only solution I know that has worked around that is Serotek's RAM product, and I've not played with that to know how well it works in practice. Troy, you're actually ahead of me, I can't get Window-Eyes to work if I'm already RDP'd into a box and RDP into another one. I just assumed it was a limitation of their implementation and never thought twice about it. Did you have to do anything special to get that to work? Ryan

-----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Troy Hergert Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 7:58 AM To: dave.mehler@gmail.com; Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] remote desktop

Hi Dave,

Don't know if this is the outside of the box answer you need; but I use Window-eyes for most of my network needs and I use RDP like a wild man around here. It's very smooth and doesn't require an extra license. I've even logged into a central server and then out to other workstations from there.

Troy Hergert

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...

Hello, I've got a question and i'm hoping for a thinking out of the box type fix. Remote desktop and screen readers, i'm needing access. I've got xp remote workstations i need to get to from a centrally located workstation. Our copy of jfw9 does not have remote access key in it, and getting it isn't going to happen. I'd like to get remote desktop sessions working. Is there a jfw alternative that could be used to correct this situation, sa2go, or one of the free screen readers, or something else? Thanks. Dave.

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Hi Frank: I can only speak to Window-Eyes, but so long as you are running Window-Eyes 7.0 or higher you should be fine. You'll be able to access VMs using RDP just like you do physical machines today. GW-Micro introduced a fix into 7.0 to help WE run in virtual environments without causing a BSOD in the VM, so I wouldn't go earlier than 7.0. We use VMWare's ESX product, not HyperV but I imagine the idea is the same. Actually, the best approach is to get the screen reader installed on the template, the VM used to create other VMs, kind of like the master image for Ghost or similar. That way as soon as a new VM comes up you have speech and no issues to worry about. You won't be able to access the console of the VM obviously and from that angle you'll be up a creak, but if you plan well enough you should be fine with RDP access only. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 7:05 PM To: matt.bsa@wh1t3.net; Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Moving to virtual servers Hello all, In the first quarter of next year we are planning on replacing all of our WS 2003 servers with WS 2008 servers. Simple and straight forward enough. However, many of our servers that are now run on physical hardware will be virtualized using Hyper-V. Meaning, that on each WS 2008 box we may have 3 or 4 other virtualized servers. This is where my concern lies. Hyper-V (as well as its predecessor Virtual Server 2005) has no support for virtualized sound cards. Up until now I have had no problem installing JFW or WindowEyes on the physical servers and having full access. Now, with no sound support on the virtualized servers what are my options. If I install JFW or WE on the virtualized servers and RDP into them would I have access that way or am I up the proverbial creek here? Thanks Frank _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins

I didn't try it with JAWS, but I did get Window-Eyes working in three VM environments being accessed from one PC. Because I was taking a class, I put Window-Eyes on a memory stick. I like using WE for training, because I don't have to worry about authentication keys and the such. First Window-Eyes was working on my computer. When I set-up the VM environments I had to map a local drive through the menus which were accessible. I was then able to copy the files from the USB device on to the VM environments. Once the video chaining was accomplished, each VM environment was re-booted. With Window-Eyes in the Startup groups for each one, I was then able to cycle through which ever VM session I wanted to work with. They were all Windows servers so screen readers work well with them. One quirk is that I had to use the bypass key in some cases, because the key strokes were being captured by Window-Eyes on my local PC. Vic Pereira Chief Informatics Office | Bureau de l'informatique Small Business and Marketplace Services | Services axés sur le marché et les petites entreprises Industry Canada | Industrie Canada 400 St Mary Avenue, Winnipeg MB R3C 4K5 | 400, avenue St Mary, Winnipeg MB R3C 4K5 Vic.Pereira@ic.gc.ca Telephone | Téléphone 204-983-0653 Facsimile | Télécopieur 204-984-4205 Government of Canada | Gouvernement du Canada -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of John G. Heim Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 9:14 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] vmware workstation Seems like half the questions on this list are about vmware. Working for the University of Wisconsin, I've heard that I can get a license for vmware workstation for my home machine. Anybody run jaws in a vmware virtual machine? Does it work? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ryan Shugart" To: "Blind sysadmins list" Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 12:10 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Moving to virtual servers

Hi Frank: I can only speak to Window-Eyes, but so long as you are running Window-Eyes 7.0 or higher you should be fine. You'll be able to access VMs using RDP just like you do physical machines today. GW-Micro introduced a fix into 7.0 to help WE run in virtual environments without causing a BSOD in the VM, so I wouldn't go earlier than 7.0. We use VMWare's ESX product, not HyperV but I imagine the idea is the same. Actually, the best approach is to get the screen reader installed on the template, the VM used to create other VMs, kind of like the master image for Ghost or similar. That way as soon as a new VM comes up you have speech and no issues to worry about. You won't be able to access the console of the VM obviously and from that angle you'll be up a creak, but if you plan well enough you should be fine with RDP access only. Ryan

-----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 7:05 PM To: matt.bsa@wh1t3.net; Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Moving to virtual servers

Hello all, In the first quarter of next year we are planning on replacing all of our WS 2003 servers with WS 2008 servers. Simple and straight forward enough. However, many of our servers that are now run on physical hardware will be virtualized using Hyper-V. Meaning, that on each WS 2008 box we may have 3 or 4 other virtualized servers. This is where my concern lies. Hyper-V (as well as its predecessor Virtual Server 2005) has no support for virtualized sound cards. Up until now I have had no problem installing JFW or WindowEyes on the physical servers and having full access. Now, with no sound support on the virtualized servers what are my options. If I install JFW or WE on the virtualized servers and RDP into them would I have access that way or am I up the proverbial creek here? Thanks Frank

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I've been charged with the responsibility of roling out the pointsec incryption solution to all laptops in this organization over the next few weeks. The plan is to do about three a day for the next month or two. Problems are as usual, with the accessibility of the application. In Windows, the application is fine. JFW works fine with it. However, a lot of the installation and use of the product comes before Windows starts. If the installation fails, I'm very comfortable with Linux so using FDisk in a CLI won't be a problem. The issue is that at boot, the Pointsec software starts at the MBR stage before Windows begins it's processes Therefore, it's not going to be possible to get a Screen reader to read anything. Do any of you have any suggestions as to how I'll get around this? It would be great if the log on screen had some kind of keyboard assigned short cuts. AT least I'd know what controls I was activating then. Any suggestions very welcome. Handing this to someone else is never an option. Thanks Darragh

Hi, What options do you need to do in the bootup interface? We use PGP, and there isn't actually much you can do in that interface, except for enter the passphrase. All the modification and setup is done either in the Windows application or on the server, which pushes policy updates out to clients. I find that the bootup app does make a lot of noise (using the PC speaker) when you enter information in, and you can usually work out what the user has done when they have made a mistake because of the different beep tones. When you encrypt the laptop using PGP, it only does the disk encryption when the system is on mains power, not sure whether your app is like that, but in our case, we were telling users that they should put the system on charge whenever possible, until the icon in the system tray changed. Thanks. Andrew -----Original Message----- From: Darragh.OHeiligh@Oireachtas.ie [mailto:Darragh.OHeiligh@Oireachtas.ie] Sent: 11 November 2008 10:54 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Pointsec. I've been charged with the responsibility of roling out the pointsec incryption solution to all laptops in this organization over the next few weeks. The plan is to do about three a day for the next month or two. Problems are as usual, with the accessibility of the application. In Windows, the application is fine. JFW works fine with it. However, a lot of the installation and use of the product comes before Windows starts. If the installation fails, I'm very comfortable with Linux so using FDisk in a CLI won't be a problem. The issue is that at boot, the Pointsec software starts at the MBR stage before Windows begins it's processes Therefore, it's not going to be possible to get a Screen reader to read anything. Do any of you have any suggestions as to how I'll get around this? It would be great if the log on screen had some kind of keyboard assigned short cuts. AT least I'd know what controls I was activating then. Any suggestions very welcome. Handing this to someone else is never an option. Thanks Darragh _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins -- allpay.net Limited, Fortis et Fides, Whitestone Business Park, Whitestone, Hereford, HR1 3SE. Registered in England No. 02933191. UK VAT Reg. No. 666 9148 88. Telephone: 0870 243 3434, Fax: 0870 243 6041. Website: www.allpay.net Email: enquiries@allpay.net This email, and any files transmitted with it, is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the allpay.net Information Security Manager at the number above.

Vic, when I was taking a few of the Microsoft courses that use VirtualPC I noticed the same thing. Even though I was using JFW not WE the effect was the same. Sometimes the keystrokes would be interpreted by the host not the virtual machine. The solution was the same to use the JFW pass through. Frank -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Vic.Pereira@ic.gc.ca Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 10:27 AM To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] vmware workstation I didn't try it with JAWS, but I did get Window-Eyes working in three VM environments being accessed from one PC. Because I was taking a class, I put Window-Eyes on a memory stick. I like using WE for training, because I don't have to worry about authentication keys and the such. First Window-Eyes was working on my computer. When I set-up the VM environments I had to map a local drive through the menus which were accessible. I was then able to copy the files from the USB device on to the VM environments. Once the video chaining was accomplished, each VM environment was re-booted. With Window-Eyes in the Startup groups for each one, I was then able to cycle through which ever VM session I wanted to work with. They were all Windows servers so screen readers work well with them. One quirk is that I had to use the bypass key in some cases, because the key strokes were being captured by Window-Eyes on my local PC. Vic Pereira Chief Informatics Office | Bureau de l'informatique Small Business and Marketplace Services | Services axés sur le marché et les petites entreprises Industry Canada | Industrie Canada 400 St Mary Avenue, Winnipeg MB R3C 4K5 | 400, avenue St Mary, Winnipeg MB R3C 4K5 Vic.Pereira@ic.gc.ca Telephone | Téléphone 204-983-0653 Facsimile | Télécopieur 204-984-4205 Government of Canada | Gouvernement du Canada -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of John G. Heim Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 9:14 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] vmware workstation Seems like half the questions on this list are about vmware. Working for the University of Wisconsin, I've heard that I can get a license for vmware workstation for my home machine. Anybody run jaws in a vmware virtual machine? Does it work? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ryan Shugart" To: "Blind sysadmins list" Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 12:10 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Moving to virtual servers

Hi Frank: I can only speak to Window-Eyes, but so long as you are running Window-Eyes 7.0 or higher you should be fine. You'll be able to access VMs using RDP just like you do physical machines today. GW-Micro introduced a fix into 7.0 to help WE run in virtual environments without causing a BSOD in the VM, so I wouldn't go earlier than 7.0. We use VMWare's ESX product, not HyperV but I imagine the idea is the same. Actually, the best approach is to get the screen reader installed on the template, the VM used to create other VMs, kind of like the master image for Ghost or similar. That way as soon as a new VM comes up you have speech and no issues to worry about. You won't be able to access the console of the VM obviously and from that angle you'll be up a creak, but if you plan well enough you should be fine with RDP access only. Ryan

-----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 7:05 PM To: matt.bsa@wh1t3.net; Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Moving to virtual servers

Hello all, In the first quarter of next year we are planning on replacing all of our WS 2003 servers with WS 2008 servers. Simple and straight forward enough. However, many of our servers that are now run on physical hardware will be virtualized using Hyper-V. Meaning, that on each WS 2008 box we may have 3 or 4 other virtualized servers. This is where my concern lies. Hyper-V (as well as its predecessor Virtual Server 2005) has no support for virtualized sound cards. Up until now I have had no problem installing JFW or WindowEyes on the physical servers and having full access. Now, with no sound support on the virtualized servers what are my options. If I install JFW or WE on the virtualized servers and RDP into them would I have access that way or am I up the proverbial creek here? Thanks Frank

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Hi, You need to import the system group policy template file. Then system will show up. Hth Dave. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 10:02 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] GPedit not showing "system" Hi all, I am trying to disable the shutdown event tracker dialog that is on one of our WS 2003 file servers that is not a domain member. When I open GPedit.MSC and navigate to computer config > administrative templates there is no "system" in the list. There is only one option for "windows settings". The rest of our servers have four items in that list of which system is one of them. Anyone have any thoughts on how I can see all of the items that should be under computer configuration > administrative templates? Thanks Frank _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins

Hi everyone, we have one remote user that users her XP Home laptop to connect remotely. She can no longer save passwords in stored user names and passwords. In log on credentials dialogs the save password check box is missing. When I go into control keymgr.dll there is no "add" button and the only button that is not grayed out is the close button? This started after doing Windows updates. Has anyone ever seen a stored user names and passwords dialog that is inoperative? Any suggestions? Thanks Frank

Frank, I have done installs on a Dell Poweredgve 4650 and Windows 2003recognized the raid drivers. This server is an old one and Windows 2003 picked it up without a problem. Greg B. Greg L. Bobo Customer Service Matrix Systems, Inc. 7550 Paragon Rd. Dayton, OH 45459 937.438.9033 x2228 office 937.438.0900 fax www.matrixsys.com -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 1:28 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Dell PE 2600 OS Install Hi everyone, I have the task of installing operating systems on two older Dell Poweredge 2600 servers. One of them will be a WS 2003 std install and the other will be a WS 2008enterprise install. Both servers have factory installed Perc 4/i RAID Controllers. My question is will the Windows installer recognize the RAID controllers or will I have to have a floppy with the drivers during the installation. Thanks Frank _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins

Hi, I always install these server using the Dell installation disks, which will manage the installation of the RAID controller and other drivers, and create an unattended Windows setup. That said I am not sure whether the 2600 supports Windows Server 2008. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura Sent: 11 November 2008 18:28 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Dell PE 2600 OS Install Hi everyone, I have the task of installing operating systems on two older Dell Poweredge 2600 servers. One of them will be a WS 2003 std install and the other will be a WS 2008enterprise install. Both servers have factory installed Perc 4/i RAID Controllers. My question is will the Windows installer recognize the RAID controllers or will I have to have a floppy with the drivers during the installation. Thanks Frank _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins

Hi, Sure, you can get them from http://support.dell.com. There are various ISO images available depending on whether you have a CD or DVD drive, there is also an ISO available with all the firmware updates on for various servers, this is especially useful when rebuilding a server, because if it is an old box, it is usual for the new drivers to not support all the functions with OpenManage unless you use the newer firmware. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura Sent: 11 November 2008 22:17 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Dell PE 2600 OS Install Thanks Andrew, do you know if Dell still has the original disks available? Frank -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 2:10 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Dell PE 2600 OS Install Hi, I always install these server using the Dell installation disks, which will manage the installation of the RAID controller and other drivers, and create an unattended Windows setup. That said I am not sure whether the 2600 supports Windows Server 2008. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura Sent: 11 November 2008 18:28 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Dell PE 2600 OS Install Hi everyone, I have the task of installing operating systems on two older Dell Poweredge 2600 servers. One of them will be a WS 2003 std install and the other will be a WS 2008enterprise install. Both servers have factory installed Perc 4/i RAID Controllers. My question is will the Windows installer recognize the RAID controllers or will I have to have a floppy with the drivers during the installation. Thanks Frank _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins

Problem is the Dell installation disks are not accessible! Regards Darragh Ó Héiligh Members Service desk Offices of the Houses of the Oireachtas, Kildare House, Kildare Street, Dublin2 Telephone: +353 (1) 618 4444 Email: darragh.oheiligh@oireachtas.ie Internet: http://www.oireachtas.ie Andrew Hodgson Sent by: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org 11/11/2008 19:29 Please respond to Blind sysadmins list To Blind sysadmins list cc Subject Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Dell PE 2600 OS Install Hi, I always install these server using the Dell installation disks, which will manage the installation of the RAID controller and other drivers, and create an unattended Windows setup. That said I am not sure whether the 2600 supports Windows Server 2008. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura Sent: 11 November 2008 18:28 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Dell PE 2600 OS Install Hi everyone, I have the task of installing operating systems on two older Dell Poweredge 2600 servers. One of them will be a WS 2003 std install and the other will be a WS 2008enterprise install. Both servers have factory installed Perc 4/i RAID Controllers. My question is will the Windows installer recognize the RAID controllers or will I have to have a floppy with the drivers during the installation. Thanks Frank _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins

Absolutely none! I'm utterly stuck with it. Regards Darragh Ó Héiligh Members Service desk Offices of the Houses of the Oireachtas, Kildare House, Kildare Street, Dublin2 Telephone: +353 (1) 618 4444 Email: darragh.oheiligh@oireachtas.ie Internet: http://www.oireachtas.ie "Frank Ventura" Sent by: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org 12/11/2008 14:41 Please respond to Blind sysadmins list To "Blind sysadmins list" cc Subject Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Dell PE 2600 OS Install Any idea of a workaround for that? Thanks Frank -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Darragh.OHeiligh@Oireachtas.ie Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 9:14 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Cc: Blind sysadmins list; blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Dell PE 2600 OS Install Problem is the Dell installation disks are not accessible! Regards Darragh Ó Héiligh Members Service desk Offices of the Houses of the Oireachtas, Kildare House, Kildare Street, Dublin2 Telephone: +353 (1) 618 4444 Email: darragh.oheiligh@oireachtas.ie Internet: http://www.oireachtas.ie Andrew Hodgson Sent by: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org 11/11/2008 19:29 Please respond to Blind sysadmins list To Blind sysadmins list cc Subject Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Dell PE 2600 OS Install Hi, I always install these server using the Dell installation disks, which will manage the installation of the RAID controller and other drivers, and create an unattended Windows setup. That said I am not sure whether the 2600 supports Windows Server 2008. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura Sent: 11 November 2008 18:28 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Dell PE 2600 OS Install Hi everyone, I have the task of installing operating systems on two older Dell Poweredge 2600 servers. One of them will be a WS 2003 std install and the other will be a WS 2008enterprise install. Both servers have factory installed Perc 4/i RAID Controllers. My question is will the Windows installer recognize the RAID controllers or will I have to have a floppy with the drivers during the installation. Thanks Frank _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.2/1783 - Release Date: 11/12/2008 10:01 AM _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins

Hi, If you get someone to help you through it the first time, then make a replication disk, you can modify the parameters on the replication disk. Having said that, I took delivery of a new server a couple of days ago, and it did not accept my disk, so I need to investigate that. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Darragh.OHeiligh@Oireachtas.ie [mailto:Darragh.OHeiligh@Oireachtas.ie] Sent: 12 November 2008 14:14 To: Blind sysadmins list Cc: Blind sysadmins list; blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Dell PE 2600 OS Install Problem is the Dell installation disks are not accessible! Regards Darragh Ó Héiligh Members Service desk Offices of the Houses of the Oireachtas, Kildare House, Kildare Street, Dublin2 Telephone: +353 (1) 618 4444 Email: darragh.oheiligh@oireachtas.ie Internet: http://www.oireachtas.ie Andrew Hodgson Sent by: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org 11/11/2008 19:29 Please respond to Blind sysadmins list To Blind sysadmins list cc Subject Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Dell PE 2600 OS Install Hi, I always install these server using the Dell installation disks, which will manage the installation of the RAID controller and other drivers, and create an unattended Windows setup. That said I am not sure whether the 2600 supports Windows Server 2008. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura Sent: 11 November 2008 18:28 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Dell PE 2600 OS Install Hi everyone, I have the task of installing operating systems on two older Dell Poweredge 2600 servers. One of them will be a WS 2003 std install and the other will be a WS 2008enterprise install. Both servers have factory installed Perc 4/i RAID Controllers. My question is will the Windows installer recognize the RAID controllers or will I have to have a floppy with the drivers during the installation. Thanks Frank _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins -- allpay.net Limited, Fortis et Fides, Whitestone Business Park, Whitestone, Hereford, HR1 3SE. Registered in England No. 02933191. UK VAT Reg. No. 666 9148 88. Telephone: 0870 243 3434, Fax: 0870 243 6041. Website: www.allpay.net Email: enquiries@allpay.net This email, and any files transmitted with it, is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the allpay.net Information Security Manager at the number above.

Hi, I always install these server using the Dell installation disks, which will manage the installation of the RAID controller and other drivers, and create an unattended Windows setup. That said I am not sure whether the 2600 supports Windows Server 2008. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura Sent: 11 November 2008 18:28 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Dell PE 2600 OS Install Hi everyone, I have the task of installing operating systems on two older Dell Poweredge 2600 servers. One of them will be a WS 2003 std install and the other will be a WS 2008enterprise install. Both servers have factory installed Perc 4/i RAID Controllers. My question is will the Windows installer recognize the RAID controllers or will I have to have a floppy with the drivers during the installation. Thanks Frank _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins

Interesting. Perhaps its that my client is running a later version of Window-Eyes than those running on the servers. Other than that though I've got the same setup you have, and can't go past one server. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Troy Hergert Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 9:16 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] remote desktop Well, I setup Window-eyes on the server and all work stations the exact same way. virtual channel support must be enabled in window-eyes, RDP must be enabled in system properties and you of course need to switch to the MS virtual synth after Window-eyes is started even on a third RDP session. 3 sessions is a bit slow even on our T1 line but it has worked for me. Also make sure the same versions of Window-eyes are trying to talk to each other. I've noticed that if I'm sitting at an older version of Window-eyes and try to connect to a later version, it doesn't seem to work. Also, I've noticed that even after all these settings are set correctly, every server or work station needs a reboot the first time a remote session is established to work properly with the video driver. Hope this helps. Troy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ryan Shugart" To: "Blind sysadmins list" Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 1:07 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] remote desktop

I totally second this. Window-Eyes has the best remote access support I've seen, and its seemless. The only downside to it is it needs to be installed on the server and it requires a reboot, but I consider that more a disadvantage of the screen reader model in general, not Window-Eyes. The only solution I know that has worked around that is Serotek's RAM product, and I've not played with that to know how well it works in practice. Troy, you're actually ahead of me, I can't get Window-Eyes to work if I'm already RDP'd into a box and RDP into another one. I just assumed it was a limitation of their implementation and never thought twice about it. Did you have to do anything special to get that to work? Ryan

-----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Troy Hergert Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 7:58 AM To: dave.mehler@gmail.com; Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] remote desktop

Hi Dave,

Don't know if this is the outside of the box answer you need; but I use Window-eyes for most of my network needs and I use RDP like a wild man around here. It's very smooth and doesn't require an extra license. I've even logged into a central server and then out to other workstations from there.

Troy Hergert

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Hello, I've got a question and i'm hoping for a thinking out of the box type fix. Remote desktop and screen readers, i'm needing access. I've got xp remote workstations i need to get to from a centrally located workstation. Our copy of jfw9 does not have remote access key in it, and getting it isn't going to happen. I'd like to get remote desktop sessions working. Is there a jfw alternative that could be used to correct this situation, sa2go, or one of the free screen readers, or something else? Thanks. Dave.

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Interesting. Perhaps its that my client is running a later version of Window-Eyes than those running on the servers. Other than that though I've got the same setup you have, and can't go past one server. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Troy Hergert Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 9:16 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] remote desktop Well, I setup Window-eyes on the server and all work stations the exact same way. virtual channel support must be enabled in window-eyes, RDP must be enabled in system properties and you of course need to switch to the MS virtual synth after Window-eyes is started even on a third RDP session. 3 sessions is a bit slow even on our T1 line but it has worked for me. Also make sure the same versions of Window-eyes are trying to talk to each other. I've noticed that if I'm sitting at an older version of Window-eyes and try to connect to a later version, it doesn't seem to work. Also, I've noticed that even after all these settings are set correctly, every server or work station needs a reboot the first time a remote session is established to work properly with the video driver. Hope this helps. Troy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ryan Shugart" To: "Blind sysadmins list" Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 1:07 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] remote desktop

I totally second this. Window-Eyes has the best remote access support I've seen, and its seemless. The only downside to it is it needs to be installed on the server and it requires a reboot, but I consider that more a disadvantage of the screen reader model in general, not Window-Eyes. The only solution I know that has worked around that is Serotek's RAM product, and I've not played with that to know how well it works in practice. Troy, you're actually ahead of me, I can't get Window-Eyes to work if I'm already RDP'd into a box and RDP into another one. I just assumed it was a limitation of their implementation and never thought twice about it. Did you have to do anything special to get that to work? Ryan

-----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Troy Hergert Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 7:58 AM To: dave.mehler@gmail.com; Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] remote desktop

Hi Dave,

Don't know if this is the outside of the box answer you need; but I use Window-eyes for most of my network needs and I use RDP like a wild man around here. It's very smooth and doesn't require an extra license. I've even logged into a central server and then out to other workstations from there.

Troy Hergert

----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave" To: "'Blind sysadmins list'" Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 4:16 PM Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] remote desktop

...

Hello, I've got a question and i'm hoping for a thinking out of the box type fix. Remote desktop and screen readers, i'm needing access. I've got xp remote workstations i need to get to from a centrally located workstation. Our copy of jfw9 does not have remote access key in it, and getting it isn't going to happen. I'd like to get remote desktop sessions working. Is there a jfw alternative that could be used to correct this situation, sa2go, or one of the free screen readers, or something else? Thanks. Dave.

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