After what version of Windows10? Creative addition? If I understand you correctly. 1. The user has to some how download the latest version of windows10. 2. Stick it on a USB drive. 3. Boot and hope there system will boot off the USB stick? If I am not wrong, this is a BIOS setting? 4. Once booted, run narrator. Is there any blogs out there taking a average user through the steps? As I want to give these instructions to [people who are not computer savy. Thus changing BIOS settings is out of scope for these people. Sean -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins On Behalf Of Isaac Sent: Thursday, 29 March 2018 4:03 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows10 installation with a screen reader If you have the latest windows 10 then provided you can boot to your usb media, then yes, you can do everything a sighted person could do pre-install and post-setup screen. Just depends how new your windows 10 version is. If it is an older version then you'll either have to use an xml file to install automatically or use a talking win p e and set it up from there. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "'Blind sysadmins list'" Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 11:39 PM Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows10 installation with a screen reader

All,

I did have a blog on installing windows10 using Narrator and cannot find it any more. Done a search and haven't found it. Basically I want to verify the following. Any information on this would be helpful. 1. If the user has to install win10 on a new hard drive. Will Narrator work at the initial boot-up stage? I know it works for upgrades if you have a prior windows present. 2. If not, how would a average user install windows10 without sighted assistance.

Sean

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You don't have to hope at all. Different venders have different boot manager settings. Plus, creating a bootable USB drive is not difficult. To boot from a dell, for instance, all you do is press F12 at the logo, and then I think USB storage device is the second one down; local hard drive, USB storage device, DVD drive. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of mhysnm1964@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 1:19 AM To: 'Blind sysadmins list' Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows10 installation with a screen reader After what version of Windows10? Creative addition? If I understand you correctly. 1. The user has to some how download the latest version of windows10. 2. Stick it on a USB drive. 3. Boot and hope there system will boot off the USB stick? If I am not wrong, this is a BIOS setting? 4. Once booted, run narrator. Is there any blogs out there taking a average user through the steps? As I want to give these instructions to [people who are not computer savy. Thus changing BIOS settings is out of scope for these people. Sean -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins On Behalf Of Isaac Sent: Thursday, 29 March 2018 4:03 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows10 installation with a screen reader If you have the latest windows 10 then provided you can boot to your usb media, then yes, you can do everything a sighted person could do pre-install and post-setup screen. Just depends how new your windows 10 version is. If it is an older version then you'll either have to use an xml file to install automatically or use a talking win p e and set it up from there. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "'Blind sysadmins list'" Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 11:39 PM Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows10 installation with a screen reader

All,

I did have a blog on installing windows10 using Narrator and cannot find it any more. Done a search and haven't found it. Basically I want to verify the following. Any information on this would be helpful. 1. If the user has to install win10 on a new hard drive. Will Narrator work at the initial boot-up stage? I know it works for upgrades if you have a prior windows present. 2. If not, how would a average user install windows10 without sighted assistance.

Sean

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Second the media creation tool, it works really well on a windows 10 system. I have also used Rufus successfully. As for booting from USB trial and error comes into play. Once the windows 10 installation has been loaded though, control windows enter starts narrator. On 29 March 2018 at 13:28, Troy Hergert wrote:

This truly does work quite well. I have upgraded five Del laptops and the last three weeks using a bootable flash drive. I have done it with no sighted assistance. The easiest way I have found to create a bootable flash drive, is to use the windows media creation tool. It needs to run on a windows eight or windows 10 machine to work properly. I have not got it to work correctly by running in on a windows seven machine. That tool is easy to use and downloads the latest windows 10 version and copies it onto a portable flash drive. Very little work to do. After that, you need to make sure the computer boots to the flash drive. If it does not happen automatically, dell computers use the F12 key to bring up the boot menu. Other manufacturers may use a different function key, I don't recall exactly which, I think some of them use F8 or F2. I used the seeing Ai app on my phone to verify I am at the boot screen. Then some trial and error may be needed. You may have to press the down arrow once, twice to get the system to boot to the flash drive. After that, control windows enter will start narrator for all installation and setup screens until the process is complete. ### -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily. org] On Behalf Of mhysnm1964@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 12:19 AM To: 'Blind sysadmins list' Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows10 installation with a screen reader

After what version of Windows10? Creative addition?

If I understand you correctly. 1. The user has to some how download the latest version of windows10. 2. Stick it on a USB drive. 3. Boot and hope there system will boot off the USB stick? If I am not wrong, this is a BIOS setting? 4. Once booted, run narrator.

Is there any blogs out there taking a average user through the steps? As I want to give these instructions to [people who are not computer savy. Thus changing BIOS settings is out of scope for these people.

Sean -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins On Behalf Of Isaac Sent: Thursday, 29 March 2018 4:03 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows10 installation with a screen reader

If you have the latest windows 10 then provided you can boot to your usb media, then yes, you can do everything a sighted person could do pre-install and post-setup screen. Just depends how new your windows 10 version is. If it is an older version then you'll either have to use an xml file to install automatically or use a talking win p e and set it up from there. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "'Blind sysadmins list'" Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 11:39 PM Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows10 installation with a screen reader

...

All,

I did have a blog on installing windows10 using Narrator and cannot find it any more. Done a search and haven't found it. Basically I want to verify the following. Any information on this would be helpful. 1. If the user has to install win10 on a new hard drive. Will Narrator work at the initial boot-up stage? I know it works for upgrades if you have a prior windows present. 2. If not, how would a average user install windows10 without sighted assistance.

Sean

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I've had success with this personally. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Kieran Little via Blind-sysadmins Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 9:06 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Cc: Kieran Little Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows10 installation with a screen reader Second the media creation tool, it works really well on a windows 10 system. I have also used Rufus successfully. As for booting from USB trial and error comes into play. Once the windows 10 installation has been loaded though, control windows enter starts narrator. On 29 March 2018 at 13:28, Troy Hergert wrote:

This truly does work quite well. I have upgraded five Del laptops and the last three weeks using a bootable flash drive. I have done it with no sighted assistance. The easiest way I have found to create a bootable flash drive, is to use the windows media creation tool. It needs to run on a windows eight or windows 10 machine to work properly. I have not got it to work correctly by running in on a windows seven machine. That tool is easy to use and downloads the latest windows 10 version and copies it onto a portable flash drive. Very little work to do. After that, you need to make sure the computer boots to the flash drive. If it does not happen automatically, dell computers use the F12 key to bring up the boot menu. Other manufacturers may use a different function key, I don't recall exactly which, I think some of them use F8 or F2. I used the seeing Ai app on my phone to verify I am at the boot screen. Then some trial and error may be needed. You may have to press the down arrow once, twice to get the system to boot to the flash drive. After that, control windows enter will start narrator for all installation and setup screens until the process is complete. ### -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily. org] On Behalf Of mhysnm1964@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 12:19 AM To: 'Blind sysadmins list' Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows10 installation with a screen reader

After what version of Windows10? Creative addition?

If I understand you correctly. 1. The user has to some how download the latest version of windows10. 2. Stick it on a USB drive. 3. Boot and hope there system will boot off the USB stick? If I am not wrong, this is a BIOS setting? 4. Once booted, run narrator.

Is there any blogs out there taking a average user through the steps? As I want to give these instructions to [people who are not computer savy. Thus changing BIOS settings is out of scope for these people.

Sean -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins On Behalf Of Isaac Sent: Thursday, 29 March 2018 4:03 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows10 installation with a screen reader

If you have the latest windows 10 then provided you can boot to your usb media, then yes, you can do everything a sighted person could do pre-install and post-setup screen. Just depends how new your windows 10 version is. If it is an older version then you'll either have to use an xml file to install automatically or use a talking win p e and set it up from there. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "'Blind sysadmins list'" Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 11:39 PM Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows10 installation with a screen reader

...

All,

I did have a blog on installing windows10 using Narrator and cannot find it any more. Done a search and haven't found it. Basically I want to verify the following. Any information on this would be helpful. 1. If the user has to install win10 on a new hard drive. Will Narrator work at the initial boot-up stage? I know it works for upgrades if you have a prior windows present. 2. If not, how would a average user install windows10 without sighted assistance.

Sean

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This truly does work quite well. I have upgraded five Del laptops and the last three weeks using a bootable flash drive. I have done it with no sighted assistance. The easiest way I have found to create a bootable flash drive, is to use the windows media creation tool. It needs to run on a windows eight or windows 10 machine to work properly. I have not got it to work correctly by running in on a windows seven machine. That tool is easy to use and downloads the latest windows 10 version and copies it onto a portable flash drive. Very little work to do. After that, you need to make sure the computer boots to the flash drive. If it does not happen automatically, dell computers use the F12 key to bring up the boot menu. Other manufacturers may use a different function key, I don't recall exactly which, I think some of them use F8 or F2. I used the seeing Ai app on my phone to verify I am at the boot screen. Then some trial and error may be needed. You may have to press the down arrow once, twice to get the system to boot to the flash drive. After that, control windows enter will start narrator for all installation and setup screens until the process is complete. ### -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of mhysnm1964@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 12:19 AM To: 'Blind sysadmins list' Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows10 installation with a screen reader After what version of Windows10? Creative addition? If I understand you correctly. 1. The user has to some how download the latest version of windows10. 2. Stick it on a USB drive. 3. Boot and hope there system will boot off the USB stick? If I am not wrong, this is a BIOS setting? 4. Once booted, run narrator. Is there any blogs out there taking a average user through the steps? As I want to give these instructions to [people who are not computer savy. Thus changing BIOS settings is out of scope for these people. Sean -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins On Behalf Of Isaac Sent: Thursday, 29 March 2018 4:03 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows10 installation with a screen reader If you have the latest windows 10 then provided you can boot to your usb media, then yes, you can do everything a sighted person could do pre-install and post-setup screen. Just depends how new your windows 10 version is. If it is an older version then you'll either have to use an xml file to install automatically or use a talking win p e and set it up from there. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "'Blind sysadmins list'" Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 11:39 PM Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows10 installation with a screen reader

All,

I did have a blog on installing windows10 using Narrator and cannot find it any more. Done a search and haven't found it. Basically I want to verify the following. Any information on this would be helpful. 1. If the user has to install win10 on a new hard drive. Will Narrator work at the initial boot-up stage? I know it works for upgrades if you have a prior windows present. 2. If not, how would a average user install windows10 without sighted assistance.

Sean

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It works very well, I have installed several clean windows 10 installations without any hiccups. I am recalling hearing a podcast with total tutorial on a cool blind tech, try googling it. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins On Behalf Of mhysnm1964@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 10:19 PM To: 'Blind sysadmins list' Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows10 installation with a screen reader After what version of Windows10? Creative addition? If I understand you correctly. 1. The user has to some how download the latest version of windows10. 2. Stick it on a USB drive. 3. Boot and hope there system will boot off the USB stick? If I am not wrong, this is a BIOS setting? 4. Once booted, run narrator. Is there any blogs out there taking a average user through the steps? As I want to give these instructions to [people who are not computer savy. Thus changing BIOS settings is out of scope for these people. Sean -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins On Behalf Of Isaac Sent: Thursday, 29 March 2018 4:03 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows10 installation with a screen reader If you have the latest windows 10 then provided you can boot to your usb media, then yes, you can do everything a sighted person could do pre-install and post-setup screen. Just depends how new your windows 10 version is. If it is an older version then you'll either have to use an xml file to install automatically or use a talking win p e and set it up from there. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "'Blind sysadmins list'" Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 11:39 PM Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows10 installation with a screen reader

All,

I did have a blog on installing windows10 using Narrator and cannot find it any more. Done a search and haven't found it. Basically I want to verify the following. Any information on this would be helpful. 1. If the user has to install win10 on a new hard drive. Will Narrator work at the initial boot-up stage? I know it works for upgrades if you have a prior windows present. 2. If not, how would a average user install windows10 without sighted assistance.

Sean

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