Virtualization for the blind, was: RE: Possible Vmware JFW scripts
What about Hyper-V, how accessible is that for blind folks like us? That seems to be a much bigger buzz word around IT then VMWare right now? Is sound emulation still not available in Hype-V? Has anyone tried the free version from MS or the bundled version in Win 2008? Frank -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 7:33 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Possible Vmware JFW scripts Andrew: I don't use JFW so these scripts won't be of any use to me, but I use Workstation heavily every day, and haven't found it that in accessible, there's nothing I've found I can't get to at worse with the mouse. So I'm curious, what do these scripts let me access that I can't currently? I'd honestly much rather see scripts for the VIC, because while you can still navigate with the mouse, it takes a lot longer for a blind person than it would for a sighted person to perform similar tasks. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 3:43 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Possible Vmware JFW scripts Hi all, Came across this on the Vinux user list. Thanks. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: vinux-development@googlegroups.com [mailto:vinux-development@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Hallsworth Sent: 28 September 2009 19:39 To: vinux-development@googlegroups.com Subject: [VINUX] Announcement: VMware Scripts 1.0 is released! Hello all, Don has once again asked me to pass on the following announcement, which is below. Enjoy, and happy virtuallization! Hi Chris, Here is a package I hope is about 95% finished! I added a lot of functionality to Workstation to get information from the Summary dialogs (Alt + S), and navigate around this multi-page Summary dialog. Move to the list in the dialog with Alt + D. With several complex functions that the user is unaware of, it is possible to Tab around this dialog and get to all of the controls. The tree view in the optional Sidebar is I think, the best way to check tree status of all Virtual Machines. Again, there are a few functions that automatically report the status as you arrow up and down in the tree view. A few things I could not decide, since I am not a power user. 1. VMware normally does not place the focus anywhere in the application. Where is the best place to force the application to focus? I started writing a function, PlaceFocus, to determine which window was active and place the focus in an appropriate place. After using the application a little and attempting to magnify the screen enough to somewhat understand the layout, I might want to change that concept. A simpler approach would be to require that the Sidebar is enabled and place the focus on the Running and Favorites tree view in the Sidebar. It currently forces this focus when opening or switching to Workstation (AutoStartEvent) and when using Control + Tab (NexVMWindow) to switch between VM windows. What do you think? 2. In the VMware player, I added a script to start the selected VM in the Recently Opened VM list when the Enter key is pressed. I have not decided what action to take if the Enter key is pressed on a VM in the Running and Favorites tree view. There is a script for the Enter key, SelectVM, that can perform what we choose. It currently moves the focus to the Device Details list view on the Summary dialog. 3. I have debug SayMessage statements that help locate an issue if one arises. Most users should never be aware they are there. To make it easier to enable when needed, i have added the required lines in the jCF file. Since the JSX packager will not carry over comment lines whemn merging JCF files. I needed another approach. There are two choices. I currently have the Debug statements enabled when verbosity is set to Advanced. This of course, might piss off people who normally have verbosity set to addvanced! Anither option would be to have all 0's in the line below so that Debug statements are disabled until you open the JCF file in an text editor and change the appropriate 0 to a 1. Which do you think is best? [OutputModes] ; Will speak all of the OT_DEBUG messages when in Advanced Verbosity DEBUG=0|0|1|DEBUG Message There are a few minor things I need to fix, such as not being able to get back to the Summary dialog if you navigate to a optional Tab like "Package" that does not have a list view. I have not added logic yet to catch every strange situation such as the Sidebar not being present or in full screen. These are not difficult, but the questions above need to be decided. As usual. you or anyone else can get the latest (today) version at: http://mysite.verizon.net/marangs/VMware.html Feel free to spread the word and distribute our scripts when you think they are ready. Pass back any changes, comments, bugs, suggestions and ideas. I will do my best to work then into our package. Perhaps I should staart misspelling a few key words to make it more UK English? Like change "dialog" to "dialogue"? -- Chris Hallsworth E-mail: christopherh40@googlemail.com MSN: ch9675@hotmail.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 Yahoo! 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Frank: A friend of mine used HyperV and said it was all just basic MMC stuff and worked pretty well from an accessibility standpoint. There's no sound emulation in HyperV or VMWare, mainly because these products are designed to emulate servers and be used in data center environments where you wouldn't have local access to the server anyway. VMWare's desktop products, Workstation and Player, both do sound emulation. Microsoft's Virtual PC does as well, but the latest Virtual PC basically uses an RDP connection to give you access to the VM, so its sound support isn't as relyable as VMWare's, but its good enough. Actually in the IT world I know, HyperV has gotten a look because its free, but most of the IT people I know once they look at HyperV closely don't think it compares well to VMWare's ESX product, or even the free ESXI product. I think its more that HyperV is new in the market compared to VMWare, so has to catch up more. In a few years I'm sure it will be there, but most people I've talked to say its just not mature enough for production yet. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 5:20 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Virtualization for the blind, was: RE: Possible Vmware JFW scripts What about Hyper-V, how accessible is that for blind folks like us? That seems to be a much bigger buzz word around IT then VMWare right now? Is sound emulation still not available in Hype-V? Has anyone tried the free version from MS or the bundled version in Win 2008? Frank -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 7:33 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Possible Vmware JFW scripts Andrew: I don't use JFW so these scripts won't be of any use to me, but I use Workstation heavily every day, and haven't found it that in accessible, there's nothing I've found I can't get to at worse with the mouse. So I'm curious, what do these scripts let me access that I can't currently? I'd honestly much rather see scripts for the VIC, because while you can still navigate with the mouse, it takes a lot longer for a blind person than it would for a sighted person to perform similar tasks. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 3:43 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Possible Vmware JFW scripts Hi all, Came across this on the Vinux user list. Thanks. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: vinux-development@googlegroups.com [mailto:vinux-development@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Hallsworth Sent: 28 September 2009 19:39 To: vinux-development@googlegroups.com Subject: [VINUX] Announcement: VMware Scripts 1.0 is released! Hello all, Don has once again asked me to pass on the following announcement, which is below. Enjoy, and happy virtuallization! Hi Chris, Here is a package I hope is about 95% finished! I added a lot of functionality to Workstation to get information from the Summary dialogs (Alt + S), and navigate around this multi-page Summary dialog. Move to the list in the dialog with Alt + D. With several complex functions that the user is unaware of, it is possible to Tab around this dialog and get to all of the controls. The tree view in the optional Sidebar is I think, the best way to check tree status of all Virtual Machines. Again, there are a few functions that automatically report the status as you arrow up and down in the tree view. A few things I could not decide, since I am not a power user. 1. VMware normally does not place the focus anywhere in the application. Where is the best place to force the application to focus? I started writing a function, PlaceFocus, to determine which window was active and place the focus in an appropriate place. After using the application a little and attempting to magnify the screen enough to somewhat understand the layout, I might want to change that concept. A simpler approach would be to require that the Sidebar is enabled and place the focus on the Running and Favorites tree view in the Sidebar. It currently forces this focus when opening or switching to Workstation (AutoStartEvent) and when using Control + Tab (NexVMWindow) to switch between VM windows. What do you think? 2. In the VMware player, I added a script to start the selected VM in the Recently Opened VM list when the Enter key is pressed. I have not decided what action to take if the Enter key is pressed on a VM in the Running and Favorites tree view. There is a script for the Enter key, SelectVM, that can perform what we choose. It currently moves the focus to the Device Details list view on the Summary dialog. 3. I have debug SayMessage statements that help locate an issue if one arises. Most users should never be aware they are there. To make it easier to enable when needed, i have added the required lines in the jCF file. Since the JSX packager will not carry over comment lines whemn merging JCF files. I needed another approach. There are two choices. I currently have the Debug statements enabled when verbosity is set to Advanced. This of course, might piss off people who normally have verbosity set to addvanced! Anither option would be to have all 0's in the line below so that Debug statements are disabled until you open the JCF file in an text editor and change the appropriate 0 to a 1. Which do you think is best? [OutputModes] ; Will speak all of the OT_DEBUG messages when in Advanced Verbosity DEBUG=0|0|1|DEBUG Message There are a few minor things I need to fix, such as not being able to get back to the Summary dialog if you navigate to a optional Tab like "Package" that does not have a list view. I have not added logic yet to catch every strange situation such as the Sidebar not being present or in full screen. These are not difficult, but the questions above need to be decided. As usual. you or anyone else can get the latest (today) version at: http://mysite.verizon.net/marangs/VMware.html Feel free to spread the word and distribute our scripts when you think they are ready. Pass back any changes, comments, bugs, suggestions and ideas. I will do my best to work then into our package. Perhaps I should staart misspelling a few key words to make it more UK English? Like change "dialog" to "dialogue"? -- Chris Hallsworth E-mail: christopherh40@googlemail.com MSN: ch9675@hotmail.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 Yahoo! Messenger: christopherh40@yahoo.com Klango: chrishallsworth __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4465 (20090928) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Vinux Development Forum" group. 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Frank: A friend of mine used HyperV and said it was all just basic MMC stuff and worked pretty well from an accessibility standpoint. There's no sound emulation in HyperV or VMWare, mainly because these products are designed to emulate servers and be used in data center environments where you wouldn't have local access to the server anyway. VMWare's desktop products, Workstation and Player, both do sound emulation. Microsoft's Virtual PC does as well, but the latest Virtual PC basically uses an RDP connection to give you access to the VM, so its sound support isn't as relyable as VMWare's, but its good enough. Actually in the IT world I know, HyperV has gotten a look because its free, but most of the IT people I know once they look at HyperV closely don't think it compares well to VMWare's ESX product, or even the free ESXI product. I think its more that HyperV is new in the market compared to VMWare, so has to catch up more. In a few years I'm sure it will be there, but most people I've talked to say its just not mature enough for production yet. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 5:20 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Virtualization for the blind, was: RE: Possible Vmware JFW scripts What about Hyper-V, how accessible is that for blind folks like us? That seems to be a much bigger buzz word around IT then VMWare right now? Is sound emulation still not available in Hype-V? Has anyone tried the free version from MS or the bundled version in Win 2008? Frank -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 7:33 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Possible Vmware JFW scripts Andrew: I don't use JFW so these scripts won't be of any use to me, but I use Workstation heavily every day, and haven't found it that in accessible, there's nothing I've found I can't get to at worse with the mouse. So I'm curious, what do these scripts let me access that I can't currently? I'd honestly much rather see scripts for the VIC, because while you can still navigate with the mouse, it takes a lot longer for a blind person than it would for a sighted person to perform similar tasks. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 3:43 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Possible Vmware JFW scripts Hi all, Came across this on the Vinux user list. Thanks. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: vinux-development@googlegroups.com [mailto:vinux-development@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Hallsworth Sent: 28 September 2009 19:39 To: vinux-development@googlegroups.com Subject: [VINUX] Announcement: VMware Scripts 1.0 is released! Hello all, Don has once again asked me to pass on the following announcement, which is below. Enjoy, and happy virtuallization! Hi Chris, Here is a package I hope is about 95% finished! I added a lot of functionality to Workstation to get information from the Summary dialogs (Alt + S), and navigate around this multi-page Summary dialog. Move to the list in the dialog with Alt + D. With several complex functions that the user is unaware of, it is possible to Tab around this dialog and get to all of the controls. The tree view in the optional Sidebar is I think, the best way to check tree status of all Virtual Machines. Again, there are a few functions that automatically report the status as you arrow up and down in the tree view. A few things I could not decide, since I am not a power user. 1. VMware normally does not place the focus anywhere in the application. Where is the best place to force the application to focus? I started writing a function, PlaceFocus, to determine which window was active and place the focus in an appropriate place. After using the application a little and attempting to magnify the screen enough to somewhat understand the layout, I might want to change that concept. A simpler approach would be to require that the Sidebar is enabled and place the focus on the Running and Favorites tree view in the Sidebar. It currently forces this focus when opening or switching to Workstation (AutoStartEvent) and when using Control + Tab (NexVMWindow) to switch between VM windows. What do you think? 2. In the VMware player, I added a script to start the selected VM in the Recently Opened VM list when the Enter key is pressed. I have not decided what action to take if the Enter key is pressed on a VM in the Running and Favorites tree view. There is a script for the Enter key, SelectVM, that can perform what we choose. It currently moves the focus to the Device Details list view on the Summary dialog. 3. I have debug SayMessage statements that help locate an issue if one arises. Most users should never be aware they are there. To make it easier to enable when needed, i have added the required lines in the jCF file. Since the JSX packager will not carry over comment lines whemn merging JCF files. I needed another approach. There are two choices. I currently have the Debug statements enabled when verbosity is set to Advanced. This of course, might piss off people who normally have verbosity set to addvanced! Anither option would be to have all 0's in the line below so that Debug statements are disabled until you open the JCF file in an text editor and change the appropriate 0 to a 1. Which do you think is best? [OutputModes] ; Will speak all of the OT_DEBUG messages when in Advanced Verbosity DEBUG=0|0|1|DEBUG Message There are a few minor things I need to fix, such as not being able to get back to the Summary dialog if you navigate to a optional Tab like "Package" that does not have a list view. I have not added logic yet to catch every strange situation such as the Sidebar not being present or in full screen. These are not difficult, but the questions above need to be decided. As usual. you or anyone else can get the latest (today) version at: http://mysite.verizon.net/marangs/VMware.html Feel free to spread the word and distribute our scripts when you think they are ready. Pass back any changes, comments, bugs, suggestions and ideas. I will do my best to work then into our package. Perhaps I should staart misspelling a few key words to make it more UK English? Like change "dialog" to "dialogue"? -- Chris Hallsworth E-mail: christopherh40@googlemail.com MSN: ch9675@hotmail.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 Yahoo! Messenger: christopherh40@yahoo.com Klango: chrishallsworth __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4465 (20090928) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Vinux Development Forum" group. 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