diagramming software

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20 Feb 2017 20 Feb '17

5:23 p.m.

Hello, I am a new list member and this is my first post. I am a college student majoring in IT. One of the classes I am taking requires the use of diagramming software for network diagrams, etc. The instructor recommended Microsoft Visio. I realize that making and reading network diagrams is next to impossible, but I am curious to know what people have done as alternatives for documentation purposes. Thanks, Mike

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Anatoliy Shudrya

20 Feb 20 Feb

6:02 p.m.

It is quite difficult to make diagrams with a screen reader; even though Visio is much better in terms of accessibility, menus are accessible, call outs are accessible etc., comparing to other software. I am using simple excel spreadsheet to document everything, statics, subnets, accounts, subscriptions, configurations, VPNs... Every subnet has its own spreadsheet and I do it this way. I'd be interesting to hear how other do it. My sighted colleagues are pushing for real diagrams, and I am still working on it. I feel like network changes always so fast changing that I would need full time job to make diagrams only to keep everything up to date. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of mikefulton95@gmail.com Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 9:23 AM To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] diagramming software Hello, I am a new list member and this is my first post. I am a college student majoring in IT. One of the classes I am taking requires the use of diagramming software for network diagrams, etc. The instructor recommended Microsoft Visio. I realize that making and reading network diagrams is next to impossible, but I am curious to know what people have done as alternatives for documentation purposes. Thanks, Mike _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins

Mitchell Green

6:09 p.m.

Hello: My name is Mitch. I work for a company called outlook Nebraska Inc. in Omaha Nebraska. I am totally blind and I run the IT department. LOL, right now it is a department of one. Next week I am hiring another gentleman who is also blind. I do believe that that will make this company One of if not the first company in the country to have an entirely blind IT staff. I could be wrong about that but I would be interested to hear what other people have seen or observed. As far as diagrams go I also use XL to do my network diagrams as well. I have seen others use Microsoft Word and do it in an outline format. Sent from my iPhone

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On Feb 20, 2017, at 12:03, Anatoliy Shudrya wrote:

It is quite difficult to make diagrams with a screen reader; even though Visio is much better in terms of accessibility, menus are accessible, call outs are accessible etc., comparing to other software. I am using simple excel spreadsheet to document everything, statics, subnets, accounts, subscriptions, configurations, VPNs... Every subnet has its own spreadsheet and I do it this way.

I'd be interesting to hear how other do it. My sighted colleagues are pushing for real diagrams, and I am still working on it. I feel like network changes always so fast changing that I would need full time job to make diagrams only to keep everything up to date.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of mikefulton95@gmail.com Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 9:23 AM To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] diagramming software

Hello,

I am a new list member and this is my first post. I am a college student majoring in IT. One of the classes I am taking requires the use of diagramming software for network diagrams, etc. The instructor recommended Microsoft Visio. I realize that making and reading network diagrams is next to impossible, but I am curious to know what people have done as alternatives for documentation purposes.

Thanks, Mike

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Chris Nestrud

6:37 p.m.

We use an internal wiki for this type of content. It's possible to create tables using the wiki's markup syntax. Relationships between objects are handled by linking between Wiki pages. Since it's a wiki, change tracking is built in. Also there are no issues with multiple versions of spreadsheets all floating around. Authentication and authorization are controled by AD group memberships. Some diagrams are created in Microsoft Visio based on the content in the Wiki. Chris On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:09:15PM -0600, Mitchell Green wrote:

...

Hello:

My name is Mitch. I work for a company called outlook Nebraska Inc. in Omaha Nebraska. I am totally blind and I run the IT department. LOL, right now it is a department of one. Next week I am hiring another gentleman who is also blind. I do believe that that will make this company One of if not the first company in the country to have an entirely blind IT staff. I could be wrong about that but I would be interested to hear what other people have seen or observed.

As far as diagrams go I also use XL to do my network diagrams as well. I have seen others use Microsoft Word and do it in an outline format.

Sent from my iPhone

...
On Feb 20, 2017, at 12:03, Anatoliy Shudrya wrote:

It is quite difficult to make diagrams with a screen reader; even though Visio is much better in terms of accessibility, menus are accessible, call outs are accessible etc., comparing to other software. I am using simple excel spreadsheet to document everything, statics, subnets, accounts, subscriptions, configurations, VPNs... Every subnet has its own spreadsheet and I do it this way.

I'd be interesting to hear how other do it. My sighted colleagues are pushing for real diagrams, and I am still working on it. I feel like network changes always so fast changing that I would need full time job to make diagrams only to keep everything up to date.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of mikefulton95@gmail.com Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 9:23 AM To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] diagramming software

Hello,

I am a new list member and this is my first post. I am a college student majoring in IT. One of the classes I am taking requires the use of diagramming software for network diagrams, etc. The instructor recommended Microsoft Visio. I realize that making and reading network diagrams is next to impossible, but I am curious to know what people have done as alternatives for documentation purposes.

Thanks, Mike

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Katherine M. Moss

6:44 p.m.

How much of Visio is accessible in light of the diagrams being made based on wiki content? I never bothered trying to use it. I didn't think we could. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nestrud Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 1:37 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] diagramming software We use an internal wiki for this type of content. It's possible to create tables using the wiki's markup syntax. Relationships between objects are handled by linking between Wiki pages. Since it's a wiki, change tracking is built in. Also there are no issues with multiple versions of spreadsheets all floating around. Authentication and authorization are controled by AD group memberships. Some diagrams are created in Microsoft Visio based on the content in the Wiki. Chris On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:09:15PM -0600, Mitchell Green wrote:

...

Hello:

My name is Mitch. I work for a company called outlook Nebraska Inc. in Omaha Nebraska. I am totally blind and I run the IT department. LOL, right now it is a department of one. Next week I am hiring another gentleman who is also blind. I do believe that that will make this company One of if not the first company in the country to have an entirely blind IT staff. I could be wrong about that but I would be interested to hear what other people have seen or observed.

As far as diagrams go I also use XL to do my network diagrams as well. I have seen others use Microsoft Word and do it in an outline format.

Sent from my iPhone

...
On Feb 20, 2017, at 12:03, Anatoliy Shudrya wrote:

It is quite difficult to make diagrams with a screen reader; even though Visio is much better in terms of accessibility, menus are accessible, call outs are accessible etc., comparing to other software. I am using simple excel spreadsheet to document everything, statics, subnets, accounts, subscriptions, configurations, VPNs... Every subnet has its own spreadsheet and I do it this way.

I'd be interesting to hear how other do it. My sighted colleagues are pushing for real diagrams, and I am still working on it. I feel like network changes always so fast changing that I would need full time job to make diagrams only to keep everything up to date.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of mikefulton95@gmail.com Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 9:23 AM To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] diagramming software

Hello,

I am a new list member and this is my first post. I am a college student majoring in IT. One of the classes I am taking requires the use of diagramming software for network diagrams, etc. The instructor recommended Microsoft Visio. I realize that making and reading network diagrams is next to impossible, but I am curious to know what people have done as alternatives for documentation purposes.

Thanks, Mike

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Chris Nestrud

7:09 p.m.

A sighted coworker creates the diagrams. They are things like process flows. I haven't looked into creating these myself, though I would guess that as with creating a graphical user interface, it is hard to get a handle on the aesthetics if you can't visually see the results. I'd love to hear from someone who is creating such diagrams in a professional environment using accessible methods. Chris On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 06:44:03PM +0000, Katherine M. Moss wrote:

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How much of Visio is accessible in light of the diagrams being made based on wiki content? I never bothered trying to use it. I didn't think we could.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nestrud Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 1:37 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] diagramming software

We use an internal wiki for this type of content. It's possible to create tables using the wiki's markup syntax. Relationships between objects are handled by linking between Wiki pages. Since it's a wiki, change tracking is built in. Also there are no issues with multiple versions of spreadsheets all floating around. Authentication and authorization are controled by AD group memberships.

Some diagrams are created in Microsoft Visio based on the content in the Wiki.

Chris

On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:09:15PM -0600, Mitchell Green wrote:

...
Hello:

My name is Mitch. I work for a company called outlook Nebraska Inc. in Omaha Nebraska. I am totally blind and I run the IT department. LOL, right now it is a department of one. Next week I am hiring another gentleman who is also blind. I do believe that that will make this company One of if not the first company in the country to have an entirely blind IT staff. I could be wrong about that but I would be interested to hear what other people have seen or observed.

As far as diagrams go I also use XL to do my network diagrams as well. I have seen others use Microsoft Word and do it in an outline format.

Sent from my iPhone

...
On Feb 20, 2017, at 12:03, Anatoliy Shudrya wrote:

It is quite difficult to make diagrams with a screen reader; even though Visio is much better in terms of accessibility, menus are accessible, call outs are accessible etc., comparing to other software. I am using simple excel spreadsheet to document everything, statics, subnets, accounts, subscriptions, configurations, VPNs... Every subnet has its own spreadsheet and I do it this way.

I'd be interesting to hear how other do it. My sighted colleagues are pushing for real diagrams, and I am still working on it. I feel like network changes always so fast changing that I would need full time job to make diagrams only to keep everything up to date.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of mikefulton95@gmail.com Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 9:23 AM To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] diagramming software

Hello,

I am a new list member and this is my first post. I am a college student majoring in IT. One of the classes I am taking requires the use of diagramming software for network diagrams, etc. The instructor recommended Microsoft Visio. I realize that making and reading network diagrams is next to impossible, but I am curious to know what people have done as alternatives for documentation purposes.

Thanks, Mike

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Mike Fulton

7:23 p.m.

I didn't think we could use it either so I never tried. Sent from my iPhone

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On Feb 20, 2017, at 1:41 PM, Katherine M. Moss wrote:

How much of Visio is accessible in light of the diagrams being made based on wiki content? I never bothered trying to use it. I didn't think we could.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nestrud Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 1:37 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] diagramming software

We use an internal wiki for this type of content. It's possible to create tables using the wiki's markup syntax. Relationships between objects are handled by linking between Wiki pages. Since it's a wiki, change tracking is built in. Also there are no issues with multiple versions of spreadsheets all floating around. Authentication and authorization are controled by AD group memberships.

Some diagrams are created in Microsoft Visio based on the content in the Wiki.

Chris

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On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:09:15PM -0600, Mitchell Green wrote: Hello:

My name is Mitch. I work for a company called outlook Nebraska Inc. in Omaha Nebraska. I am totally blind and I run the IT department. LOL, right now it is a department of one. Next week I am hiring another gentleman who is also blind. I do believe that that will make this company One of if not the first company in the country to have an entirely blind IT staff. I could be wrong about that but I would be interested to hear what other people have seen or observed.

As far as diagrams go I also use XL to do my network diagrams as well. I have seen others use Microsoft Word and do it in an outline format.

Sent from my iPhone

...
On Feb 20, 2017, at 12:03, Anatoliy Shudrya wrote:

It is quite difficult to make diagrams with a screen reader; even though Visio is much better in terms of accessibility, menus are accessible, call outs are accessible etc., comparing to other software. I am using simple excel spreadsheet to document everything, statics, subnets, accounts, subscriptions, configurations, VPNs... Every subnet has its own spreadsheet and I do it this way.

I'd be interesting to hear how other do it. My sighted colleagues are pushing for real diagrams, and I am still working on it. I feel like network changes always so fast changing that I would need full time job to make diagrams only to keep everything up to date.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of mikefulton95@gmail.com Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 9:23 AM To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] diagramming software

Hello,

I am a new list member and this is my first post. I am a college student majoring in IT. One of the classes I am taking requires the use of diagramming software for network diagrams, etc. The instructor recommended Microsoft Visio. I realize that making and reading network diagrams is next to impossible, but I am curious to know what people have done as alternatives for documentation purposes.

Thanks, Mike

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Mike Fulton

7:23 p.m.

I didn't think we could use it either so I never tried. Sent from my iPhone

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On Feb 20, 2017, at 1:41 PM, Katherine M. Moss wrote:

How much of Visio is accessible in light of the diagrams being made based on wiki content? I never bothered trying to use it. I didn't think we could.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nestrud Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 1:37 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] diagramming software

We use an internal wiki for this type of content. It's possible to create tables using the wiki's markup syntax. Relationships between objects are handled by linking between Wiki pages. Since it's a wiki, change tracking is built in. Also there are no issues with multiple versions of spreadsheets all floating around. Authentication and authorization are controled by AD group memberships.

Some diagrams are created in Microsoft Visio based on the content in the Wiki.

Chris

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On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:09:15PM -0600, Mitchell Green wrote: Hello:

My name is Mitch. I work for a company called outlook Nebraska Inc. in Omaha Nebraska. I am totally blind and I run the IT department. LOL, right now it is a department of one. Next week I am hiring another gentleman who is also blind. I do believe that that will make this company One of if not the first company in the country to have an entirely blind IT staff. I could be wrong about that but I would be interested to hear what other people have seen or observed.

As far as diagrams go I also use XL to do my network diagrams as well. I have seen others use Microsoft Word and do it in an outline format.

Sent from my iPhone

...
On Feb 20, 2017, at 12:03, Anatoliy Shudrya wrote:

It is quite difficult to make diagrams with a screen reader; even though Visio is much better in terms of accessibility, menus are accessible, call outs are accessible etc., comparing to other software. I am using simple excel spreadsheet to document everything, statics, subnets, accounts, subscriptions, configurations, VPNs... Every subnet has its own spreadsheet and I do it this way.

I'd be interesting to hear how other do it. My sighted colleagues are pushing for real diagrams, and I am still working on it. I feel like network changes always so fast changing that I would need full time job to make diagrams only to keep everything up to date.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of mikefulton95@gmail.com Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 9:23 AM To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] diagramming software

Hello,

I am a new list member and this is my first post. I am a college student majoring in IT. One of the classes I am taking requires the use of diagramming software for network diagrams, etc. The instructor recommended Microsoft Visio. I realize that making and reading network diagrams is next to impossible, but I am curious to know what people have done as alternatives for documentation purposes.

Thanks, Mike

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Mitchell Green

7:21 p.m.

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Hello:

My name is Mitch. I work for a company called outlook Nebraska Inc. in Omaha Nebraska. I am totally blind and I run the IT department. LOL, right now it is a department of one. Next week I am hiring another gentleman who is also blind. I do believe that that will make this company One of if not the first company in the country to have an entirely blind IT staff. I could be wrong about that but I would be interested to hear what other people have seen or observed.

As far as diagrams go I also use XL to do my network diagrams as well. I have seen others use Microsoft Word and do it in an outline format.

Sent from my iPhone

...
On Feb 20, 2017, at 12:03, Anatoliy Shudrya wrote:

It is quite difficult to make diagrams with a screen reader; even

...

...
I'd be interesting to hear how other do it. My sighted colleagues are

I would like to learn more about this. Mitchell Green Information Technology Facilitator o | 402-614-3331 x226 c | 402-871-1063 f | 402-933-1616 mgreen@outlooknebraska.com 4125 S. 72nd Street | Omaha, NE 68127 NOTICE: The information contained in this e-mail transmission and any attachment is intended solely for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipients is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender and destroy any copies of this document. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nestrud Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 12:37 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] diagramming software We use an internal wiki for this type of content. It's possible to create tables using the wiki's markup syntax. Relationships between objects are handled by linking between Wiki pages. Since it's a wiki, change tracking is built in. Also there are no issues with multiple versions of spreadsheets all floating around. Authentication and authorization are controled by AD group memberships. Some diagrams are created in Microsoft Visio based on the content in the Wiki. Chris On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:09:15PM -0600, Mitchell Green wrote: though Visio is much better in terms of accessibility, menus are accessible, call outs are accessible etc., comparing to other software. I am using simple excel spreadsheet to document everything, statics, subnets, accounts, subscriptions, configurations, VPNs... Every subnet has its own spreadsheet and I do it this way. pushing for real diagrams, and I am still working on it. I feel like network changes always so fast changing that I would need full time job to make diagrams only to keep everything up to date.

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-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of mikefulton95@gmail.com Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 9:23 AM To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] diagramming software

Hello,

I am a new list member and this is my first post. I am a college

student majoring in IT. One of the classes I am taking requires the use of diagramming software for network diagrams, etc. The instructor recommended Microsoft Visio. I realize that making and reading network diagrams is next to impossible, but I am curious to know what people have done as alternatives for documentation purposes.

...
Thanks, Mike

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Chris Nestrud

7:34 p.m.

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From DokuWiki at http://www.dokuwiki.org

DokuWiki is a simple to use and highly versatile Open Source wiki software that doesn't require a database. It is loved by users for its clean and readable syntax. The ease of maintenance, backup and integration makes it an administrator's favorite. Built in access controls and authentication connectors make DokuWiki especially useful in the enterprise context and the large number of plugins contributed by its vibrant community allow for a broad range of use cases beyond a traditional wiki. I'm a fan of the simplicity, customizability, and accessibility of the generated pages. Other coworkers like the media editor which makes it easy to upload files and include links to them in pages, along with the editing toolbar which has buttons to click for inserting headings, lists, links, etc. The wiki does not require a database, and uses plain text files, which has a couple advantages. First, it's easy to write scripts which can create or modify Wiki pages. Second, in a disaster recovery situation, it would be possible to use the content without needing to set up the Wiki software. Other alternatives include PMWiki and MediaWiki. Chris On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 01:21:06PM -0600, Mitchell Green wrote:

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I would like to learn more about this.

Mitchell Green Information Technology Facilitator

??o?? |?? 402-614-3331 x226?????????? c?? |?? 402-871-1063?????????? f???? |?? 402-933-1616 mgreen@outlooknebraska.com 4125 S. 72nd Street???? |???? Omaha, NE?? 68127

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-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nestrud Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 12:37 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] diagramming software

We use an internal wiki for this type of content. It's possible to create tables using the wiki's markup syntax. Relationships between objects are handled by linking between Wiki pages. Since it's a wiki, change tracking is built in. Also there are no issues with multiple versions of spreadsheets all floating around. Authentication and authorization are controled by AD group memberships.

Some diagrams are created in Microsoft Visio based on the content in the Wiki.

Chris

...
Hello:

My name is Mitch. I work for a company called outlook Nebraska Inc. in Omaha Nebraska. I am totally blind and I run the IT department. LOL, right now it is a department of one. Next week I am hiring another gentleman who is also blind. I do believe that that will make this company One of if not the first company in the country to have an entirely blind IT staff. I could be wrong about that but I would be interested to hear what other people have seen or observed.

As far as diagrams go I also use XL to do my network diagrams as well. I have seen others use Microsoft Word and do it in an outline format.

Sent from my iPhone

...
On Feb 20, 2017, at 12:03, Anatoliy Shudrya wrote:

It is quite difficult to make diagrams with a screen reader; even

...
...
I'd be interesting to hear how other do it. My sighted colleagues are

On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:09:15PM -0600, Mitchell Green wrote: though Visio is much better in terms of accessibility, menus are accessible, call outs are accessible etc., comparing to other software. I am using simple excel spreadsheet to document everything, statics, subnets, accounts, subscriptions, configurations, VPNs... Every subnet has its own spreadsheet and I do it this way. pushing for real diagrams, and I am still working on it. I feel like network changes always so fast changing that I would need full time job to make diagrams only to keep everything up to date.

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-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of mikefulton95@gmail.com Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 9:23 AM To: blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] diagramming software

Hello,

I am a new list member and this is my first post. I am a college

student majoring in IT. One of the classes I am taking requires the use of diagramming software for network diagrams, etc. The instructor recommended Microsoft Visio. I realize that making and reading network diagrams is next to impossible, but I am curious to know what people have done as alternatives for documentation purposes.

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Anatoliy Shudrya

6:02 p.m.

Kelly Prescott

6:16 p.m.

Mike, I do the same with excel with ip networks, subnets, mac addresses, pcinformation etc. I also write a verbal description of the network and what is connected to what. for example: fiber from big-telecom for internet. fiber comes into a xyz firewall. on firewall are 4 ports. port1 is company lan, port2 is dmz for web servers. port3 is not used. port4 is dmz for mail servers. something like that. it gets long, but it covers everything. kp On Mon, 20 Feb 2017, mikefulton95@gmail.com wrote:

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Hello,

I am a new list member and this is my first post. I am a college student majoring in IT. One of the classes I am taking requires the use of diagramming software for network diagrams, etc. The instructor recommended Microsoft Visio. I realize that making and reading network diagrams is next to impossible, but I am curious to know what people have done as alternatives for documentation purposes.

Thanks, Mike

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Mike Fulton

7:24 p.m.

As of right now this seems like it is going to be the best option. Thanks! Sent from my iPhone

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On Feb 20, 2017, at 1:16 PM, Kelly Prescott wrote:

Mike, I do the same with excel with ip networks, subnets, mac addresses, pcinformation etc. I also write a verbal description of the network and what is connected to what. for example: fiber from big-telecom for internet. fiber comes into a xyz firewall. on firewall are 4 ports. port1 is company lan, port2 is dmz for web servers. port3 is not used. port4 is dmz for mail servers. something like that. it gets long, but it covers everything. kp

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On Mon, 20 Feb 2017, mikefulton95@gmail.com wrote:

Hello,

I am a new list member and this is my first post. I am a college student majoring in IT. One of the classes I am taking requires the use of diagramming software for network diagrams, etc. The instructor recommended Microsoft Visio. I realize that making and reading network diagrams is next to impossible, but I am curious to know what people have done as alternatives for documentation purposes.

Thanks, Mike

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Mike Fulton

7:24 p.m.

As of right now this seems like it is going to be the best option. Thanks! Sent from my iPhone

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On Feb 20, 2017, at 1:16 PM, Kelly Prescott wrote:

Mike, I do the same with excel with ip networks, subnets, mac addresses, pcinformation etc. I also write a verbal description of the network and what is connected to what. for example: fiber from big-telecom for internet. fiber comes into a xyz firewall. on firewall are 4 ports. port1 is company lan, port2 is dmz for web servers. port3 is not used. port4 is dmz for mail servers. something like that. it gets long, but it covers everything. kp

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On Mon, 20 Feb 2017, mikefulton95@gmail.com wrote:

Hello,

I am a new list member and this is my first post. I am a college student majoring in IT. One of the classes I am taking requires the use of diagramming software for network diagrams, etc. The instructor recommended Microsoft Visio. I realize that making and reading network diagrams is next to impossible, but I am curious to know what people have done as alternatives for documentation purposes.

Thanks, Mike

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Grzegorz Zlotowicz

8 p.m.

Hello. I also faced this problem, but in context of UML diagrams. After research, I found the PlantUML tool[1], which allows to build good-looking diagrams using textual notation. Maybe some type of PlantUML diagram could be used for network purpose - the Tool has an online server [2], which can be used for testing it. Second thing I would try, is Graphwiz [3], which has also textual notation, so maybe describing network diagram in it would be accessible and good-looking in the same time. If it would be too hard to be done, maybe writing some script for converting author's network notation into graphwiz diagram, would be a solution. And next, interesting and powerful, would be using the SVG for the same purpose - SVG is just an XML, so simple ones can be written using keyboard; further, SVG has tags for connecting some shape with its' description, also invisible description for accessibility purposes, (such descriptions of SVG elements are read by NVDA during moving mouse or finger on touch screen on it)... Some elements of SVG image can be clickable, so could for example open new window with long description, or containing a more detailed image of some network's subsection... It's much better than Graphwiz, because is out of the box compatible with all modern web browsers. One challenge would be to investigate some simplest human-readable and machine-readable network notation, and then write some script to convert it into accessible SVG or set of SVG images, but possibilities seem unlimited. Greetings, Greg. [1] www.plantuml.com [2] http://www.plantuml.com/plantuml [3] http://www.graphviz.org/ W dniu 20.02.2017 18:23, mikefulton95@gmail.com napisał/a:

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Hello,

I am a new list member and this is my first post. I am a college student majoring in IT. One of the classes I am taking requires the use of diagramming software for network diagrams, etc. The instructor recommended Microsoft Visio. I realize that making and reading network diagrams is next to impossible, but I am curious to know what people have done as alternatives for documentation purposes.

Thanks, Mike

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