Hi Simon, Don't forget, with Talkback, you can also label unlabelled buttons, if they are standard buttons. You can do this with iOS as well. All the best Steve -- To subscribe to our News and Special Offers list, go to https://www.comproom.co.uk/subscribe Computer Room Services 77 Exeter Close Stevenage Hertfordshire SG1 4PW T: +44(0)1438-742286 M: +44(0)7956-334938 F: +44(0)1438-759589 E: steve@comproom.co.uk W: https://www.comproom.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Eigeldinger Simon Sent: 22 November 2021 07:07 To: Mailing list for blind system administrators Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Recommendations for small tablet? Hi John, I am using Android phones now for 4 and a half years. I find the OS completely accessible. According to many its as accessible as iOS. Some apps might have some unlabeled buttons but i guess that problem exists with iOS as well. I don't use braille so i can't say anything about that. Greetings, Simon Mit freundlichen Grüßen Simon Eigeldinger Informatik Nebengebäude 1, OG1 Stadt Hohenems Kaiser-Franz-Josef-Straße 4 6845 Hohenems T: +43 5576 7101-1143 | E: simon.eigeldinger@hohenems.at | www.hohenems.at Diese Nachricht und allfällige angehängte Dokumente sind vertraulich und nur für den/die Adressaten bestimmt. -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: John G. Heim via Blind-sysadmins Gesendet: Samstag, 20. November 2021 16:36 An: blind system administrators Cc: John G. Heim Betreff: [Blind-sysadmins] Recommendations for small tablet? I've always owned both an iPod Touch and an iPhone. The reason is that I don't want to carry my phone around all the time. So I am doing yard work, home repairs, working out or whatever, getting my iPod wet and dirty and wearing down the battery. Meanwhile, my iPhone stays safe and fully charged. But recently, I've gotten more and more irritated with Apple. For example, they got rid of the feature in the MacOS iTunes app that allows you to sync your music library with your IOS devices. So now I no longer have a way to get all the music I ripped from my old CD-ROMS to my iPod Touch. I was wondering if anyone has a recommendation for an Android device that is similar to the iPod Touch. How accessible is Android these days? I'm not too worried about getting used to a new operating system. But as a long time IOS user, am I going to be disappointed with the accessibility of Android? - ### John G. Heim, 608-263-4189, jheim@math.wisc.edu _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave@lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave@lists.hodgsonfamily.org

Hi Steve, Yes i forgot about writing that. That works well. Also a good idea is to turn the "read the element ids on unlabeled elements" item on in the verbosity settings. Often helps a lot to label buttons. Greetings, Simon -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Steve Nutt Gesendet: Montag, 22. November 2021 09:52 An: 'Mailing list for blind system administrators' Betreff: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Recommendations for small tablet? Hi Simon, Don't forget, with Talkback, you can also label unlabelled buttons, if they are standard buttons. You can do this with iOS as well. All the best Steve -- To subscribe to our News and Special Offers list, go to https://www.comproom.co.uk/subscribe Computer Room Services 77 Exeter Close Stevenage Hertfordshire SG1 4PW T: +44(0)1438-742286 M: +44(0)7956-334938 F: +44(0)1438-759589 E: steve@comproom.co.uk W: https://www.comproom.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Eigeldinger Simon Sent: 22 November 2021 07:07 To: Mailing list for blind system administrators Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Recommendations for small tablet? Hi John, I am using Android phones now for 4 and a half years. I find the OS completely accessible. According to many its as accessible as iOS. Some apps might have some unlabeled buttons but i guess that problem exists with iOS as well. I don't use braille so i can't say anything about that. Greetings, Simon Mit freundlichen Grüßen Simon Eigeldinger Informatik Nebengebäude 1, OG1 Stadt Hohenems Kaiser-Franz-Josef-Straße 4 6845 Hohenems T: +43 5576 7101-1143 | E: simon.eigeldinger@hohenems.at | www.hohenems.at Diese Nachricht und allfällige angehängte Dokumente sind vertraulich und nur für den/die Adressaten bestimmt. -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: John G. Heim via Blind-sysadmins Gesendet: Samstag, 20. November 2021 16:36 An: blind system administrators Cc: John G. Heim Betreff: [Blind-sysadmins] Recommendations for small tablet? I've always owned both an iPod Touch and an iPhone. The reason is that I don't want to carry my phone around all the time. So I am doing yard work, home repairs, working out or whatever, getting my iPod wet and dirty and wearing down the battery. Meanwhile, my iPhone stays safe and fully charged. But recently, I've gotten more and more irritated with Apple. For example, they got rid of the feature in the MacOS iTunes app that allows you to sync your music library with your IOS devices. So now I no longer have a way to get all the music I ripped from my old CD-ROMS to my iPod Touch. I was wondering if anyone has a recommendation for an Android device that is similar to the iPod Touch. How accessible is Android these days? I'm not too worried about getting used to a new operating system. But as a long time IOS user, am I going to be disappointed with the accessibility of Android? - ### John G. Heim, 608-263-4189, jheim@math.wisc.edu _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave@lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave@lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave@lists.hodgsonfamily.org

Geez, those things are so cheap i could just buy one and if I don't like it, give it away. The app I use the most is probably the Bard app from the US Library of Congress. They have a talking books program that is really outstanding. I don't know for sure if their app would run on Amazon's version of Android but at those prices, I have little to lose. Thanks for the good advice (as usual), Darragh. On 11/22/21 4:42 AM, Darragh Ó Héiligh wrote:

Grab a cheap Kindle fire tablet then install the Android app store. You will be surprised at it's level of efficient accessibility.

-----Original Message----- From: Steve Nutt Sent: Monday 22 November 2021 08:52 To: 'Mailing list for blind system administrators' Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Recommendations for small tablet?

Hi Simon,

Don't forget, with Talkback, you can also label unlabelled buttons, if they are standard buttons.

You can do this with iOS as well.

All the best

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-----Original Message----- From: Eigeldinger Simon Sent: 22 November 2021 07:07 To: Mailing list for blind system administrators Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Recommendations for small tablet?

Hi John,

I am using Android phones now for 4 and a half years. I find the OS completely accessible. According to many its as accessible as iOS.

Some apps might have some unlabeled buttons but i guess that problem exists with iOS as well.

I don't use braille so i can't say anything about that.

Greetings, Simon

Mit freundlichen Grüßen

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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: John G. Heim via Blind-sysadmins Gesendet: Samstag, 20. November 2021 16:36 An: blind system administrators Cc: John G. Heim Betreff: [Blind-sysadmins] Recommendations for small tablet?

I've always owned both an iPod Touch and an iPhone. The reason is that I don't want to carry my phone around all the time. So I am doing yard work, home repairs, working out or whatever, getting my iPod wet and dirty and wearing down the battery. Meanwhile, my iPhone stays safe and fully charged. But recently, I've gotten more and more irritated with Apple. For example, they got rid of the feature in the MacOS iTunes app that allows you to sync your music library with your IOS devices. So now I no longer have a way to get all the music I ripped from my old CD-ROMS to my iPod Touch.

I was wondering if anyone has a recommendation for an Android device that is similar to the iPod Touch. How accessible is Android these days? I'm not too worried about getting used to a new operating system. But as a long time IOS user, am I going to be disappointed with the accessibility of Android? - ### John G. Heim, 608-263-4189, jheim@math.wisc.edu _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave@lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave@lists.hodgsonfamily.org

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Hi Jackie, Yeah voiceview and the tts engine could have a little bit of an overhaul i guess. Responsiveness seems not to be amazons goal. Would be nice if they just would put talkback on there. And add a second engine which might be more responsive. Haven't tried to put espeak ng or something on that. But for a little bit movies, music, book listening it is fine. I have a Fire HD 8 2018. Greetings, Simon Mit freundlichen Grüßen Simon Eigeldinger Informatik Nebengebäude 1, OG1 Stadt Hohenems Kaiser-Franz-Josef-Straße 4 6845 Hohenems T: +43 5576 7101-1143 | E: simon.eigeldinger@hohenems.at | www.hohenems.at Diese Nachricht und allfällige angehängte Dokumente sind vertraulich und nur für den/die Adressaten bestimmt. -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Jackie McBride Gesendet: Montag, 22. November 2021 17:11 An: Mailing list for blind system administrators Betreff: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Recommendations for small tablet? John: https://www.amazon.com/Library-of-Congress-BARD-Mobile/dp/B016760320/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1444074044&sr=8-1&keywords=bard+mobile You don't even need to sideload the Google store if you don't want to. The accessibility in my view is kinda sketchy, ie, sloooooow!!!! & the voices leave something to be desired, but, as you say, it's almost a throwaway. I don't use it personally, but I do have to help my granddaughter w/her Kids' Fire, ie, I set it up, & I periodically need to render assistance, so I am familiar w/the accessibility aspects. It's quite a bit bigger than your ipod, though, & that you might find problematic. On 11/22/21, John G. Heim via Blind-sysadmins wrote:

Geez, those things are so cheap i could just buy one and if I don't like it, give it away. The app I use the most is probably the Bard app from the US Library of Congress. They have a talking books program that is really outstanding. I don't know for sure if their app would run on Amazon's version of Android but at those prices, I have little to lose. Thanks for the good advice (as usual), Darragh.

On 11/22/21 4:42 AM, Darragh Ó Héiligh wrote:

...

Grab a cheap Kindle fire tablet then install the Android app store. You will be surprised at it's level of efficient accessibility.

-----Original Message----- From: Steve Nutt Sent: Monday 22 November 2021 08:52 To: 'Mailing list for blind system administrators' Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Recommendations for small tablet?

Hi Simon,

Don't forget, with Talkback, you can also label unlabelled buttons, if they are standard buttons.

You can do this with iOS as well.

All the best

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-----Original Message----- From: Eigeldinger Simon Sent: 22 November 2021 07:07 To: Mailing list for blind system administrators Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Recommendations for small tablet?

Hi John,

I am using Android phones now for 4 and a half years. I find the OS completely accessible. According to many its as accessible as iOS.

Some apps might have some unlabeled buttons but i guess that problem exists with iOS as well.

I don't use braille so i can't say anything about that.

Greetings, Simon

Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Simon Eigeldinger Informatik Nebengebäude 1, OG1

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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: John G. Heim via Blind-sysadmins Gesendet: Samstag, 20. November 2021 16:36 An: blind system administrators Cc: John G. Heim Betreff: [Blind-sysadmins] Recommendations for small tablet?

I've always owned both an iPod Touch and an iPhone. The reason is that I don't want to carry my phone around all the time. So I am doing yard work, home repairs, working out or whatever, getting my iPod wet and dirty and wearing down the battery. Meanwhile, my iPhone stays safe and fully charged. But recently, I've gotten more and more irritated with Apple. For example, they got rid of the feature in the MacOS iTunes app that allows you to sync your music library with your IOS devices. So now I no longer have a way to get all the music I ripped from my old CD-ROMS to my iPod Touch.

I was wondering if anyone has a recommendation for an Android device that is similar to the iPod Touch. How accessible is Android these days? I'm not too worried about getting used to a new operating system. But as a long time IOS user, am I going to be disappointed with the accessibility of Android? - ### John G. Heim, 608-263-4189, jheim@math.wisc.edu _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave@lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave@lists.hodgsonfamily.org

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Amazon, IMO, has been historically reluctant as regards accessibility. On 11/22/21, Eigeldinger Simon wrote:

Hi Jackie,

Yeah voiceview and the tts engine could have a little bit of an overhaul i guess. Responsiveness seems not to be amazons goal. Would be nice if they just would put talkback on there. And add a second engine which might be more responsive. Haven't tried to put espeak ng or something on that. But for a little bit movies, music, book listening it is fine. I have a Fire HD 8 2018.

Greetings, Simon

Mit freundlichen Grüßen

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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Jackie McBride Gesendet: Montag, 22. November 2021 17:11 An: Mailing list for blind system administrators Betreff: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Recommendations for small tablet?

John: https://www.amazon.com/Library-of-Congress-BARD-Mobile/dp/B016760320/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1444074044&sr=8-1&keywords=bard+mobile

You don't even need to sideload the Google store if you don't want to.

The accessibility in my view is kinda sketchy, ie, sloooooow!!!! & the voices leave something to be desired, but, as you say, it's almost a throwaway.

I don't use it personally, but I do have to help my granddaughter w/her Kids' Fire, ie, I set it up, & I periodically need to render assistance, so I am familiar w/the accessibility aspects.

It's quite a bit bigger than your ipod, though, & that you might find problematic.

On 11/22/21, John G. Heim via Blind-sysadmins wrote:

...

Geez, those things are so cheap i could just buy one and if I don't like it, give it away. The app I use the most is probably the Bard app from the US Library of Congress. They have a talking books program that is really outstanding. I don't know for sure if their app would run on Amazon's version of Android but at those prices, I have little to lose. Thanks for the good advice (as usual), Darragh.

On 11/22/21 4:42 AM, Darragh Ó Héiligh wrote:

...

Grab a cheap Kindle fire tablet then install the Android app store. You will be surprised at it's level of efficient accessibility.

-----Original Message----- From: Steve Nutt Sent: Monday 22 November 2021 08:52 To: 'Mailing list for blind system administrators' Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Recommendations for small tablet?

Hi Simon,

Don't forget, with Talkback, you can also label unlabelled buttons, if they are standard buttons.

You can do this with iOS as well.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message----- From: Eigeldinger Simon Sent: 22 November 2021 07:07 To: Mailing list for blind system administrators Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Recommendations for small tablet?

Hi John,

I am using Android phones now for 4 and a half years. I find the OS completely accessible. According to many its as accessible as iOS.

Some apps might have some unlabeled buttons but i guess that problem exists with iOS as well.

I don't use braille so i can't say anything about that.

Greetings, Simon

Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Simon Eigeldinger Informatik Nebengebäude 1, OG1

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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: John G. Heim via Blind-sysadmins Gesendet: Samstag, 20. November 2021 16:36 An: blind system administrators Cc: John G. Heim Betreff: [Blind-sysadmins] Recommendations for small tablet?

I've always owned both an iPod Touch and an iPhone. The reason is that I don't want to carry my phone around all the time. So I am doing yard work, home repairs, working out or whatever, getting my iPod wet and dirty and wearing down the battery. Meanwhile, my iPhone stays safe and fully charged. But recently, I've gotten more and more irritated with Apple. For example, they got rid of the feature in the MacOS iTunes app that allows you to sync your music library with your IOS devices. So now I no longer have a way to get all the music I ripped from my old CD-ROMS to my iPod Touch.

I was wondering if anyone has a recommendation for an Android device that is similar to the iPod Touch. How accessible is Android these days? I'm not too worried about getting used to a new operating system. But as a long time IOS user, am I going to be disappointed with the accessibility of Android? - ### John G. Heim, 608-263-4189, jheim@math.wisc.edu _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave@lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave@lists.hodgsonfamily.org

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Hi Steve, I actually think more should work on the accessibility stack as well as on the screenreaders. I guess that would help a lot. Because then you have more input which helps and reduces load on others. Greetings, Simon Mit freundlichen Grüßen Simon Eigeldinger Informatik Nebengebäude 1, OG1 Stadt Hohenems Kaiser-Franz-Josef-Straße 4 6845 Hohenems T: +43 5576 7101-1143 | E: simon.eigeldinger@hohenems.at | www.hohenems.at Diese Nachricht und allfällige angehängte Dokumente sind vertraulich und nur für den/die Adressaten bestimmt. -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Steve Nutt Gesendet: Montag, 22. November 2021 17:39 An: 'Mailing list for blind system administrators' Betreff: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Recommendations for small tablet? Yep you could say that. Talkback on the other hand, has come on nicely, because of Samsung's help. All the best Steve -- To subscribe to our News and Special Offers list, go to https://www.comproom.co.uk/subscribe Computer Room Services 77 Exeter Close Stevenage Hertfordshire SG1 4PW T: +44(0)1438-742286 M: +44(0)7956-334938 F: +44(0)1438-759589 E: steve@comproom.co.uk W: https://www.comproom.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Jackie McBride Sent: 22 November 2021 16:36 To: Mailing list for blind system administrators Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Recommendations for small tablet? Amazon, IMO, has been historically reluctant as regards accessibility. On 11/22/21, Eigeldinger Simon wrote:

Hi Jackie,

Yeah voiceview and the tts engine could have a little bit of an overhaul i guess. Responsiveness seems not to be amazons goal. Would be nice if they just would put talkback on there. And add a second engine which might be more responsive. Haven't tried to put espeak ng or something on that. But for a little bit movies, music, book listening it is fine. I have a Fire HD 8 2018.

Greetings, Simon

Mit freundlichen Grüßen

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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Jackie McBride Gesendet: Montag, 22. November 2021 17:11 An: Mailing list for blind system administrators Betreff: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Recommendations for small tablet?

John: https://www.amazon.com/Library-of-Congress-BARD-Mobile/dp/B016760320/r ef=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1444074044&sr=8-1&keywords=bard+mobile

You don't even need to sideload the Google store if you don't want to.

The accessibility in my view is kinda sketchy, ie, sloooooow!!!! & the voices leave something to be desired, but, as you say, it's almost a throwaway.

I don't use it personally, but I do have to help my granddaughter w/her Kids' Fire, ie, I set it up, & I periodically need to render assistance, so I am familiar w/the accessibility aspects.

It's quite a bit bigger than your ipod, though, & that you might find problematic.

On 11/22/21, John G. Heim via Blind-sysadmins wrote:

...

Geez, those things are so cheap i could just buy one and if I don't like it, give it away. The app I use the most is probably the Bard app from the US Library of Congress. They have a talking books program that is really outstanding. I don't know for sure if their app would run on Amazon's version of Android but at those prices, I have little to lose. Thanks for the good advice (as usual), Darragh.

On 11/22/21 4:42 AM, Darragh Ó Héiligh wrote:

...

Grab a cheap Kindle fire tablet then install the Android app store. You will be surprised at it's level of efficient accessibility.

-----Original Message----- From: Steve Nutt Sent: Monday 22 November 2021 08:52 To: 'Mailing list for blind system administrators' Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Recommendations for small tablet?

Hi Simon,

Don't forget, with Talkback, you can also label unlabelled buttons, if they are standard buttons.

You can do this with iOS as well.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message----- From: Eigeldinger Simon Sent: 22 November 2021 07:07 To: Mailing list for blind system administrators Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Recommendations for small tablet?

Hi John,

I am using Android phones now for 4 and a half years. I find the OS completely accessible. According to many its as accessible as iOS.

Some apps might have some unlabeled buttons but i guess that problem exists with iOS as well.

I don't use braille so i can't say anything about that.

Greetings, Simon

Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Simon Eigeldinger Informatik Nebengebäude 1, OG1

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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: John G. Heim via Blind-sysadmins Gesendet: Samstag, 20. November 2021 16:36 An: blind system administrators Cc: John G. Heim Betreff: [Blind-sysadmins] Recommendations for small tablet?

I've always owned both an iPod Touch and an iPhone. The reason is that I don't want to carry my phone around all the time. So I am doing yard work, home repairs, working out or whatever, getting my iPod wet and dirty and wearing down the battery. Meanwhile, my iPhone stays safe and fully charged. But recently, I've gotten more and more irritated with Apple. For example, they got rid of the feature in the MacOS iTunes app that allows you to sync your music library with your IOS devices. So now I no longer have a way to get all the music I ripped from my old CD-ROMS to my iPod Touch.

I was wondering if anyone has a recommendation for an Android device that is similar to the iPod Touch. How accessible is Android these days? I'm not too worried about getting used to a new operating system. But as a long time IOS user, am I going to be disappointed with the accessibility of Android? - ### John G. Heim, 608-263-4189, jheim@math.wisc.edu _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave@lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave@lists.hodgsonfamily.org

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Hi Darragh, OK. Now in the winter i guess i plan to do some playing around with it. Any good howtos/tutorials you could share with us? Greetings and thanks, Simon Mit freundlichen Grüßen Simon Eigeldinger Informatik Nebengebäude 1, OG1 Stadt Hohenems Kaiser-Franz-Josef-Straße 4 6845 Hohenems T: +43 5576 7101-1143 | E: simon.eigeldinger@hohenems.at | www.hohenems.at Diese Nachricht und allfällige angehängte Dokumente sind vertraulich und nur für den/die Adressaten bestimmt. -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Darragh Ó Héiligh Gesendet: Montag, 22. November 2021 22:26 An: John G. Heim ; Mailing list for blind system administrators ; steve@comproom.co.uk Betreff: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Recommendations for small tablet? I just think that the Amazon screen reader is fantastic. I bought all my Fire tablets second hand. I never paid any more than €30. With a very easy work around, it's easy to install any Android application. It's no different than rooting any other Android device really. -----Original Message----- From: John G. Heim Sent: Monday 22 November 2021 15:48 To: Mailing list for blind system administrators ; Darragh Ó Héiligh ; steve@comproom.co.uk Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Recommendations for small tablet? Geez, those things are so cheap i could just buy one and if I don't like it, give it away. The app I use the most is probably the Bard app from the US Library of Congress. They have a talking books program that is really outstanding. I don't know for sure if their app would run on Amazon's version of Android but at those prices, I have little to lose. Thanks for the good advice (as usual), Darragh. On 11/22/21 4:42 AM, Darragh Ó Héiligh wrote:

Grab a cheap Kindle fire tablet then install the Android app store. You will be surprised at it's level of efficient accessibility.

-----Original Message----- From: Steve Nutt Sent: Monday 22 November 2021 08:52 To: 'Mailing list for blind system administrators' Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Recommendations for small tablet?

Hi Simon,

Don't forget, with Talkback, you can also label unlabelled buttons, if they are standard buttons.

You can do this with iOS as well.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message----- From: Eigeldinger Simon Sent: 22 November 2021 07:07 To: Mailing list for blind system administrators Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Recommendations for small tablet?

Hi John,

I am using Android phones now for 4 and a half years. I find the OS completely accessible. According to many its as accessible as iOS.

Some apps might have some unlabeled buttons but i guess that problem exists with iOS as well.

I don't use braille so i can't say anything about that.

Greetings, Simon

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Simon Eigeldinger Informatik Nebengebäude 1, OG1

Stadt Hohenems Kaiser-Franz-Josef-Straße 4 6845 Hohenems T: +43 5576 7101-1143 | E: simon.eigeldinger@hohenems.at | www.hohenems.at

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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: John G. Heim via Blind-sysadmins Gesendet: Samstag, 20. November 2021 16:36 An: blind system administrators Cc: John G. Heim Betreff: [Blind-sysadmins] Recommendations for small tablet?

I've always owned both an iPod Touch and an iPhone. The reason is that I don't want to carry my phone around all the time. So I am doing yard work, home repairs, working out or whatever, getting my iPod wet and dirty and wearing down the battery. Meanwhile, my iPhone stays safe and fully charged. But recently, I've gotten more and more irritated with Apple. For example, they got rid of the feature in the MacOS iTunes app that allows you to sync your music library with your IOS devices. So now I no longer have a way to get all the music I ripped from my old CD-ROMS to my iPod Touch.

I was wondering if anyone has a recommendation for an Android device that is similar to the iPod Touch. How accessible is Android these days? I'm not too worried about getting used to a new operating system. But as a long time IOS user, am I going to be disappointed with the accessibility of Android? - ### John G. Heim, 608-263-4189, jheim@math.wisc.edu _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave@lists.hodgsonfamily.org _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave@lists.hodgsonfamily.org

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