Hi, Oh shucks. Only used Vmware server 1.x, moved over to ESX (or ESXI now it is free, since work haven't coughed up the money for the full product yet). ESXI is free and accessible if you are willing to dedicate a box to it, and get someone to help you with the initial IP config of the server (which is menu driven). Vmware workstation was accessible last time I used it near a year ago. Thanks. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of rick watson Sent: 10 March 2009 19:43 To: ksawicki@avc.edu; 'Blind sysadmins list' Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] getting started with vmware server Hi Ken, Unfortunately no vmware scripts on that site. And the vmware 2.0 server interface is in a web browser and nothing in it is a link or a button. Rick -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ken Sawicki Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 3:12 PM To: 'Blind sysadmins list' Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] getting started with vmware server JFWLITE.com I think, -Ken -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of rick watson Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 6:02 AM To: 'Blind sysadmins list' Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] getting started with vmware server Good morning listers, Two questions. 1. What is the url for the jfw scripts for vmware server. 2. What is a good getting started guide for creating virtual machines. Thanks Rick _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins

No vmware workstation isn't free it costs around $200 I think. Vmware server 1.0 is still free though and I believe you can still download it. If you can't find it let me know and I'll see if I have the installation file lying around. rick watson wrote:

Is vmware workstation also free?

Rick

-----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 5:43 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] getting started with vmware server

Hi,

Oh shucks. Only used Vmware server 1.x, moved over to ESX (or ESXI now it is free, since work haven't coughed up the money for the full product yet). ESXI is free and accessible if you are willing to dedicate a box to it, and get someone to help you with the initial IP config of the server (which is menu driven).

Vmware workstation was accessible last time I used it near a year ago.

Thanks. Andrew.

-----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of rick watson Sent: 10 March 2009 19:43 To: ksawicki@avc.edu; 'Blind sysadmins list' Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] getting started with vmware server

Hi Ken, Unfortunately no vmware scripts on that site. And the vmware 2.0 server interface is in a web browser and nothing in it is a link or a button. Rick

-----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ken Sawicki Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 3:12 PM To: 'Blind sysadmins list' Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] getting started with vmware server

JFWLITE.com

I think,

-Ken

-----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of rick watson Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 6:02 AM To: 'Blind sysadmins list' Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] getting started with vmware server

Good morning listers,

Two questions.

1. What is the url for the jfw scripts for vmware server.

2. What is a good getting started guide for creating virtual machines.

Thanks

Rick

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Hi, Oh shucks. Only used Vmware server 1.x, moved over to ESX (or ESXI now it is free, since work haven't coughed up the money for the full product yet). ESXI is free and accessible if you are willing to dedicate a box to it, and get someone to help you with the initial IP config of the server (which is menu driven). Vmware workstation was accessible last time I used it near a year ago. Thanks. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of rick watson Sent: 10 March 2009 19:43 To: ksawicki@avc.edu; 'Blind sysadmins list' Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] getting started with vmware server Hi Ken, Unfortunately no vmware scripts on that site. And the vmware 2.0 server interface is in a web browser and nothing in it is a link or a button. Rick -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ken Sawicki Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 3:12 PM To: 'Blind sysadmins list' Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] getting started with vmware server JFWLITE.com I think, -Ken -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of rick watson Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 6:02 AM To: 'Blind sysadmins list' Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] getting started with vmware server Good morning listers, Two questions. 1. What is the url for the jfw scripts for vmware server. 2. What is a good getting started guide for creating virtual machines. Thanks Rick _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins

Hi, I don't have any issues with using Vmware ESX client under Windows with Jaws, myself. Thanks. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of John G. Heim Sent: 10 March 2009 21:54 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] getting started with vmware server Wow, you had my hopes up there for a while when somebody asked where the jaws scripts were. I was hoping there was such a thing. Yeah, I have gotten vmware server2 for linux working and have a windows virtual machine running. But it was quite a struggle. The web interface is nearly inaccessible. I mean, you have to really be a detective to figure out where to click in order to use the interface. I got it figured out but I wouldn't want to have to go through that again. One of the things you can do is create a desktop icon to start your virtual machine so I just click on that now. If I ever want to take another snapshot or restore from a snapshot or add some hardware, I'm going to have to figure out the web interface again. Huge pain. Vmware ESX has a Windows program that does the same thing as the web interface for server2 and it's no better. I don't have Window-eyes so I cannot comment on that. But I tried the server2 web interface in Windows with jaws and nvda, in Mac OS with safari and voiceover, and in linux with orca. By far the best was Windows and jaws. Most people on this list are windows systems admins anyway. But if you're a linux guy, and you're trying to admin vmware server2, I'd advise you to connect to your linux machine from another machine running Windows. ou ----- Original Message ----- From: "rick watson" To: ; "'Blind sysadmins list'" Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] getting started with vmware server

Hi Ken, Unfortunately no vmware scripts on that site. And the vmware 2.0 server interface is in a web browser and nothing in it is a link or a button. Rick

-----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ken Sawicki Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 3:12 PM To: 'Blind sysadmins list' Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] getting started with vmware server

JFWLITE.com

I think,

-Ken

-----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of rick watson Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 6:02 AM To: 'Blind sysadmins list' Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] getting started with vmware server

Good morning listers,

Two questions.

1. What is the url for the jfw scripts for vmware server.

2. What is a good getting started guide for creating virtual machines.

Thanks

Rick

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Hmmmm... Are we talking about the same product? I'm talking about the vmware infrastructure client for Windows. It's a custom app, not a web app. That app does not linearize well. It has no menu, just graphics to click on none of which are labeled. You have to use it entirely in jaws cursor mode, which is difficult because of the afore mentioned lack of linearization. I guess you could get used to it and eventually figure it out but it would not be easy. Say you want to take a snapshot. You have to use the jaws cursor to find the virtual machine. You click on that and then you have to cursor around again to find the snapshot link and hope you clicked in the right place in the first place or you're going to take a snapshot of the wrong virtual machine. And then, of course, you'd better make sure you click the snapshot link and not the delete link. I got sighted assistance to help me at first. I would click on a vm and then get the cursor over the snapshot link and ask my co-worker "Okay, I'm about to take a snapshot of vm1, right?" But if I hadn't had that sighted assistance, I'd have been pretty nervous about doing something wrong. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Hodgson" To: "Blind sysadmins list" Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] getting started with vmware server

Hi,

I don't have any issues with using Vmware ESX client under Windows with Jaws, myself.

Thanks. Andrew.

-----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of John G. Heim Sent: 10 March 2009 21:54 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] getting started with vmware server

Wow, you had my hopes up there for a while when somebody asked where the jaws scripts were. I was hoping there was such a thing.

Yeah, I have gotten vmware server2 for linux working and have a windows virtual machine running. But it was quite a struggle. The web interface is nearly inaccessible. I mean, you have to really be a detective to figure out where to click in order to use the interface. I got it figured out but I wouldn't want to have to go through that again. One of the things you can do is create a desktop icon to start your virtual machine so I just click on that now. If I ever want to take another snapshot or restore from a snapshot or add some hardware, I'm going to have to figure out the web interface again. Huge pain.

Vmware ESX has a Windows program that does the same thing as the web interface for server2 and it's no better.

I don't have Window-eyes so I cannot comment on that. But I tried the server2 web interface in Windows with jaws and nvda, in Mac OS with safari and voiceover, and in linux with orca. By far the best was Windows and jaws. Most people on this list are windows systems admins anyway. But if you're a linux guy, and you're trying to admin vmware server2, I'd advise you to connect to your linux machine from another machine running Windows.

ou ----- Original Message ----- From: "rick watson" To: ; "'Blind sysadmins list'" Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] getting started with vmware server

...

Hi Ken, Unfortunately no vmware scripts on that site. And the vmware 2.0 server interface is in a web browser and nothing in it is a link or a button. Rick

-----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ken Sawicki Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 3:12 PM To: 'Blind sysadmins list' Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] getting started with vmware server

JFWLITE.com

I think,

-Ken

-----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of rick watson Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 6:02 AM To: 'Blind sysadmins list' Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] getting started with vmware server

Good morning listers,

Two questions.

1. What is the url for the jfw scripts for vmware server.

2. What is a good getting started guide for creating virtual machines.

Thanks

Rick

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Right. That was my experience with both the server2 web app and the vmware virtual infrastructure management client for Windows. Maybe I just happened to get the 2 vmware products that aren't accessible. My department at the university paid many thousands of dollars for the virtual infrastructure software and I'm pretty ticked off that it's inaccessible. What is wrong with developers these days? Holy cow, the 508 regulations have been out for 7 or 8 years? Maybe longer. Technically, my department wasn't supposed to buy that product since it violates the 508 regs. I guess it really just shows what those regulations are worth. My boss is very supportive but I don't think she would have refused to buy vmware just because the admin interface is inaccessible to me. We are getting into a virtual infrastructure in a big way. It's a basic part of our strategic plans for the future of the department's infrastructure. ----- Original Message ----- From: "rick watson" To: "'Blind sysadmins list'" Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] getting started with vmware server

The app I tried was vmware server version 2.0 which started as a web page but had no links to click on. I have downloaded vmware server 1.0 and am giving it a try. Running a windows xp install now.

Rick

-----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of John G. Heim Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 9:49 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] getting started with vmware server

Hmmmm... Are we talking about the same product? I'm talking about the vmware

infrastructure client for Windows. It's a custom app, not a web app. That app does not linearize well. It has no menu, just graphics to click on none of which are labeled. You have to use it entirely in jaws cursor mode, which

is difficult because of the afore mentioned lack of linearization. I guess you could get used to it and eventually figure it out but it would not be easy. Say you want to take a snapshot. You have to use the jaws cursor to find the virtual machine. You click on that and then you have to cursor around again to find the snapshot link and hope you clicked in the right place in the first place or you're going to take a snapshot of the wrong virtual machine. And then, of course, you'd better make sure you click the snapshot link and not the delete link.

I got sighted assistance to help me at first. I would click on a vm and then

get the cursor over the snapshot link and ask my co-worker "Okay, I'm about to take a snapshot of vm1, right?" But if I hadn't had that sighted assistance, I'd have been pretty nervous about doing something wrong.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Hodgson" To: "Blind sysadmins list" Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] getting started with vmware server

...

Hi,

I don't have any issues with using Vmware ESX client under Windows with Jaws, myself.

Thanks. Andrew.

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...

G. Heim Sent: 10 March 2009 21:54 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] getting started with vmware server

Wow, you had my hopes up there for a while when somebody asked where the jaws scripts were. I was hoping there was such a thing.

Yeah, I have gotten vmware server2 for linux working and have a windows virtual machine running. But it was quite a struggle. The web interface is nearly inaccessible. I mean, you have to really be a detective to figure out where to click in order to use the interface. I got it figured out but I wouldn't want to have to go through that again. One of the things you can do is create a desktop icon to start your virtual machine so I just click on that now. If I ever want to take another snapshot or restore from a snapshot or add some hardware, I'm going to have to figure out the web interface again. Huge pain.

Vmware ESX has a Windows program that does the same thing as the web interface for server2 and it's no better.

I don't have Window-eyes so I cannot comment on that. But I tried the server2 web interface in Windows with jaws and nvda, in Mac OS with safari and voiceover, and in linux with orca. By far the best was Windows and jaws. Most people on this list are windows systems admins anyway. But if you're a linux guy, and you're trying to admin vmware server2, I'd advise you to connect to your linux machine from another machine running Windows.

ou ----- Original Message ----- From: "rick watson" To: ; "'Blind sysadmins list'" Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] getting started with vmware server

...

Hi Ken, Unfortunately no vmware scripts on that site. And the vmware 2.0 server interface is in a web browser and nothing in it is a link or a button. Rick

-----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ken Sawicki Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 3:12 PM To: 'Blind sysadmins list' Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] getting started with vmware server

JFWLITE.com

I think,

-Ken

-----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of rick watson Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 6:02 AM To: 'Blind sysadmins list' Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] getting started with vmware server

Good morning listers,

Two questions.

1. What is the url for the jfw scripts for vmware server.

2. What is a good getting started guide for creating virtual machines.

Thanks

Rick

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