Anybody else interested in chiming in on my Microsoft conversations about Accessibility?
Hi all, Possibly next week, I plan to call up the Microsoft Accessibility hotline and hopefully get some folks who know what they are talking about so that I can in a very systematic fashion, pour out all of the accessibility issues I see with as many products from Microsoft as possible, and I won't stop escalating the issues until every single one has a solution. Care to join me?
Hi Katherine: While I admire your spirit, I'm not too sure how far that's going to get you. I've talked with the accessibility helpdesk at Microsoft, and beyond the basics of Windows and Office, they really don't know too much more about other Microsoft products at this point. It wouldn't hurt to voice your concerns, of course, but I highly doubt they'll know where to go with all of them. I've been working with our TAM and the accessibility person from the System Center/InTune team for the past few months, and its slow, but I think we're getting somewhere at least with SCCM. What I'd recommend you do is write up very specific ways to reproduce every accessibility issue you can, make sure they're reproducible, include what you expect to happen and what actually happens, then open support tickets with Microsoft. Make sure they're not screen reader issues, but genuine Microsoft issues, and my experience is Microsoft will file them as bugs. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 5:32 PM To: 'blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org' Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Anybody else interested in chiming in on my Microsoft conversations about Accessibility? Hi all, Possibly next week, I plan to call up the Microsoft Accessibility hotline and hopefully get some folks who know what they are talking about so that I can in a very systematic fashion, pour out all of the accessibility issues I see with as many products from Microsoft as possible, and I won't stop escalating the issues until every single one has a solution. Care to join me? _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
Hi Katherine: While I admire your spirit, I'm not too sure how far that's going to get you. I've talked with the accessibility helpdesk at Microsoft, and beyond the basics of Windows and Office, they really don't know too much more about other Microsoft products at this point. It wouldn't hurt to voice your concerns, of course, but I highly doubt they'll know where to go with all of them. I've been working with our TAM and the accessibility person from the System Center/InTune team for the past few months, and its slow, but I think we're getting somewhere at least with SCCM. What I'd recommend you do is write up very specific ways to reproduce every accessibility issue you can, make sure they're reproducible, include what you expect to happen and what actually happens, then open support tickets with Microsoft. Make sure they're not screen reader issues, but genuine Microsoft issues, and my experience is Microsoft will file them as bugs. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 5:32 PM To: 'blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org' Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Anybody else interested in chiming in on my Microsoft conversations about Accessibility? Hi all, Possibly next week, I plan to call up the Microsoft Accessibility hotline and hopefully get some folks who know what they are talking about so that I can in a very systematic fashion, pour out all of the accessibility issues I see with as many products from Microsoft as possible, and I won't stop escalating the issues until every single one has a solution. Care to join me? _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
I think it's a good idea and I'd be right there but I am not a Windows user. However, you might consider also posting this to talk@iavit.org if you want to circulate it more widely. On 05/20/14 18:32, Katherine Moss wrote:
Hi all, Possibly next week, I plan to call up the Microsoft Accessibility hotline and hopefully get some folks who know what they are talking about so that I can in a very systematic fashion, pour out all of the accessibility issues I see with as many products from Microsoft as possible, and I won't stop escalating the issues until every single one has a solution. Care to join me? _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
Sorry I missed this earlier this year. I hope you mentioned Access and anything they have that can get into SQL databases. I've seen half a hundred SQL clients, most of which are free, none of which can peruse an SQL database accessibly. On Tue, 20 May 2014 23:32:27 +0000, you wrote:
Hi all, Possibly next week, I plan to call up the Microsoft Accessibility hotline and hopefully get some folks who know what they are talking about so that I can in a very systematic fashion, pour out all of the accessibility issues I see with as many products from Microsoft as possible, and I won't stop escalating the issues until every single one has a solution. Care to join me? _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
Steve , Have you tried Eclipse with the Data Tools plugin? It supports SQL Server, Db2, SQLite, generic JDBC drivers, etc. I am able to use this to browse db2 databases, run queries and export results, etc. I assume it will work with Microsoft SQL Server. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 3:43 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Anybody else interested in chiming in on my Microsoft conversations about Accessibility? Sorry I missed this earlier this year. I hope you mentioned Access and anything they have that can get into SQL databases. I've seen half a hundred SQL clients, most of which are free, none of which can peruse an SQL database accessibly. On Tue, 20 May 2014 23:32:27 +0000, you wrote:
Hi all, Possibly next week, I plan to call up the Microsoft Accessibility hotline and hopefully get some folks who know what they are talking about so that I can in a very systematic fashion, pour out all of the accessibility issues I see with as many products from Microsoft as possible, and I won't stop escalating the issues until every single one has a solution. Care to join me? _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
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No I haven't. Haven't done anything with Eclipse because I'd gotten such bad press about its accessibility except on the Macintosh OSX platform. Must remedy that forthwith. On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 17:27:08 -0500, you wrote:
Steve ,
Have you tried Eclipse with the Data Tools plugin? It supports SQL Server, Db2, SQLite, generic JDBC drivers, etc. I am able to use this to browse db2 databases, run queries and export results, etc. I assume it will work with Microsoft SQL Server.
-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 3:43 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Anybody else interested in chiming in on my Microsoft conversations about Accessibility?
Sorry I missed this earlier this year. I hope you mentioned Access and anything they have that can get into SQL databases. I've seen half a hundred SQL clients, most of which are free, none of which can peruse an SQL database accessibly.
On Tue, 20 May 2014 23:32:27 +0000, you wrote:
Hi all, Possibly next week, I plan to call up the Microsoft Accessibility hotline and hopefully get some folks who know what they are talking about so that I can in a very systematic fashion, pour out all of the accessibility issues I see with as many products from Microsoft as possible, and I won't stop escalating the issues until every single one has a solution. Care to join me? _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
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It's quite usable under Windows using JFW, and should work with NVDA. There are hotkeys for nearly everything; ctrl+shft+l will list them. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 5:54 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Anybody else interested in chiming in on my Microsoft conversations about Accessibility? No I haven't. Haven't done anything with Eclipse because I'd gotten such bad press about its accessibility except on the Macintosh OSX platform. Must remedy that forthwith. On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 17:27:08 -0500, you wrote:
Steve ,
Have you tried Eclipse with the Data Tools plugin? It supports SQL Server, Db2, SQLite, generic JDBC drivers, etc. I am able to use this to browse db2 databases, run queries and export results, etc. I assume it will work with Microsoft SQL Server.
-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 3:43 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Anybody else interested in chiming in on my Microsoft conversations about Accessibility?
Sorry I missed this earlier this year. I hope you mentioned Access and anything they have that can get into SQL databases. I've seen half a hundred SQL clients, most of which are free, none of which can peruse an SQL database accessibly.
On Tue, 20 May 2014 23:32:27 +0000, you wrote:
Hi all, Possibly next week, I plan to call up the Microsoft Accessibility hotline and hopefully get some folks who know what they are talking about so that I can in a very systematic fashion, pour out all of the accessibility issues I see with as many products from Microsoft as possible, and I won't stop escalating the issues until every single one has a solution. Care to join me? _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
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