Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Silverlight for MS Exchange admin tools?
Andrew: I saw the same thing you did. My understanding is this would not apply to Exchange 2010, but the version after that, if it happens at all. An interesting question, should we try to peswade the Exchange team against Silverlight, or get an accessible version of Silverligh? Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew@hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 9:55 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Silverlight for MS Exchange admin tools? Hi all, Just reading various blogs this morning, and came across this: http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/08/27/452169.aspx The Exchange team are considering using Silverlight with some sort of web interface. There is a link there to a survey, which I believe we should take part in in order to express our views about the accessibility of this technology, and what it could mean if more MS interfaces start going down this approach. Thanks. Andrew. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
Hi, Yes - correct about E2010 not being "Silverlight enabled." I believe we should actually be trying to make Silverlight more accessible in order to provide the rich functionality that is required by today's modern web based applications, which Silverlight or not, seem to be growing in accessability. I wrote quite a lengthy comment piece about this on the survey, and hope someone will get back even to just acknowledge receipt. One other point is that of server admin tasks from the server itself, and the possibility that Silverlight may be required on the server in order to make this work. I feel the Exchange server has enough prereqs already, without adding even more to the mix. Thanks. Andrew (looking at Exchange 2007 SP2 currently at work atm). -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart Sent: 11 September 2009 18:03 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Silverlight for MS Exchange admin tools? Andrew: I saw the same thing you did. My understanding is this would not apply to Exchange 2010, but the version after that, if it happens at all. An interesting question, should we try to peswade the Exchange team against Silverlight, or get an accessible version of Silverligh? Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew@hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 9:55 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Silverlight for MS Exchange admin tools? Hi all, Just reading various blogs this morning, and came across this: http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/08/27/452169.aspx The Exchange team are considering using Silverlight with some sort of web interface. There is a link there to a survey, which I believe we should take part in in order to express our views about the accessibility of this technology, and what it could mean if more MS interfaces start going down this approach. Thanks. Andrew. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
Agreed on the prerecs. Even the existing client tools have too many prerecs in my opinion. I was really surprised to learn that just to run the management tools on a workstation, you need IIS installed on that workstation. Why? Who knows. Also if apparently Microsoft really strongly recommend against installing the Exchange Management Console on a computer running Outlook 2007. One wonders how Exchange admins check their mail (grin.) Actually quite a few coworkers tell me that even though Microsoft recommends against this they've never had a problem doing it. However, just last week my Outlook hosed itself, and eventually lead me to reformatting my computer (just for the record the Outlook issue didn't lead to the reformat, me doing something stupid to try and fix the problem lead to it) so who knows. On the topic of Silverlight admin specifically, one thing that sounds kind of appealing is that you install Exchange and no management UI is installed on the server save for the Powershell CMDlets, which Exchange is based on anyway. Then you run Silverlight on your client and admin Exchange that way. That could be very appealing because then you could run Exchange in a Server Core install which would make a lot of admins happy I'm sure and might have been part of the thought behind going this way. In anyway case, I'd be interested to hear if you get a response from the Exchange team either way. Good luck with the SP2 upgrade, I don't know much about it I think my work's still on SP1 for the moment. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:42 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Silverlight for MS Exchange admin tools? Hi, Yes - correct about E2010 not being "Silverlight enabled." I believe we should actually be trying to make Silverlight more accessible in order to provide the rich functionality that is required by today's modern web based applications, which Silverlight or not, seem to be growing in accessability. I wrote quite a lengthy comment piece about this on the survey, and hope someone will get back even to just acknowledge receipt. One other point is that of server admin tasks from the server itself, and the possibility that Silverlight may be required on the server in order to make this work. I feel the Exchange server has enough prereqs already, without adding even more to the mix. Thanks. Andrew (looking at Exchange 2007 SP2 currently at work atm). -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart Sent: 11 September 2009 18:03 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Silverlight for MS Exchange admin tools? Andrew: I saw the same thing you did. My understanding is this would not apply to Exchange 2010, but the version after that, if it happens at all. An interesting question, should we try to peswade the Exchange team against Silverlight, or get an accessible version of Silverligh? Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew@hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 9:55 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Silverlight for MS Exchange admin tools? Hi all, Just reading various blogs this morning, and came across this: http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/08/27/452169.aspx The Exchange team are considering using Silverlight with some sort of web interface. There is a link there to a survey, which I believe we should take part in in order to express our views about the accessibility of this technology, and what it could mean if more MS interfaces start going down this approach. Thanks. Andrew. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
Agreed on the prerecs. Even the existing client tools have too many prerecs in my opinion. I was really surprised to learn that just to run the management tools on a workstation, you need IIS installed on that workstation. Why? Who knows. Also if apparently Microsoft really strongly recommend against installing the Exchange Management Console on a computer running Outlook 2007. One wonders how Exchange admins check their mail (grin.) Actually quite a few coworkers tell me that even though Microsoft recommends against this they've never had a problem doing it. However, just last week my Outlook hosed itself, and eventually lead me to reformatting my computer (just for the record the Outlook issue didn't lead to the reformat, me doing something stupid to try and fix the problem lead to it) so who knows. On the topic of Silverlight admin specifically, one thing that sounds kind of appealing is that you install Exchange and no management UI is installed on the server save for the Powershell CMDlets, which Exchange is based on anyway. Then you run Silverlight on your client and admin Exchange that way. That could be very appealing because then you could run Exchange in a Server Core install which would make a lot of admins happy I'm sure and might have been part of the thought behind going this way. In anyway case, I'd be interested to hear if you get a response from the Exchange team either way. Good luck with the SP2 upgrade, I don't know much about it I think my work's still on SP1 for the moment. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:42 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Silverlight for MS Exchange admin tools? Hi, Yes - correct about E2010 not being "Silverlight enabled." I believe we should actually be trying to make Silverlight more accessible in order to provide the rich functionality that is required by today's modern web based applications, which Silverlight or not, seem to be growing in accessability. I wrote quite a lengthy comment piece about this on the survey, and hope someone will get back even to just acknowledge receipt. One other point is that of server admin tasks from the server itself, and the possibility that Silverlight may be required on the server in order to make this work. I feel the Exchange server has enough prereqs already, without adding even more to the mix. Thanks. Andrew (looking at Exchange 2007 SP2 currently at work atm). -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart Sent: 11 September 2009 18:03 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Silverlight for MS Exchange admin tools? Andrew: I saw the same thing you did. My understanding is this would not apply to Exchange 2010, but the version after that, if it happens at all. An interesting question, should we try to peswade the Exchange team against Silverlight, or get an accessible version of Silverligh? Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew@hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 9:55 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Silverlight for MS Exchange admin tools? Hi all, Just reading various blogs this morning, and came across this: http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/08/27/452169.aspx The Exchange team are considering using Silverlight with some sort of web interface. There is a link there to a survey, which I believe we should take part in in order to express our views about the accessibility of this technology, and what it could mean if more MS interfaces start going down this approach. Thanks. Andrew. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
Hi, It is supported to install the management tools with Outlook 2007, in fact some of the cmdlets depend on it (such as import and export-mailbox). Also you don't need to install the full IIS, just the common components. Like anything else when you have trouble and need to access management on the server, this will be one more barrier to this. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart Sent: 12 September 2009 06:51 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Silverlight for MS Exchange admin tools? Agreed on the prerecs. Even the existing client tools have too many prerecs in my opinion. I was really surprised to learn that just to run the management tools on a workstation, you need IIS installed on that workstation. Why? Who knows. Also if apparently Microsoft really strongly recommend against installing the Exchange Management Console on a computer running Outlook 2007. One wonders how Exchange admins check their mail (grin.) Actually quite a few coworkers tell me that even though Microsoft recommends against this they've never had a problem doing it. However, just last week my Outlook hosed itself, and eventually lead me to reformatting my computer (just for the record the Outlook issue didn't lead to the reformat, me doing something stupid to try and fix the problem lead to it) so who knows. On the topic of Silverlight admin specifically, one thing that sounds kind of appealing is that you install Exchange and no management UI is installed on the server save for the Powershell CMDlets, which Exchange is based on anyway. Then you run Silverlight on your client and admin Exchange that way. That could be very appealing because then you could run Exchange in a Server Core install which would make a lot of admins happy I'm sure and might have been part of the thought behind going this way. In anyway case, I'd be interested to hear if you get a response from the Exchange team either way. Good luck with the SP2 upgrade, I don't know much about it I think my work's still on SP1 for the moment. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:42 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Silverlight for MS Exchange admin tools? Hi, Yes - correct about E2010 not being "Silverlight enabled." I believe we should actually be trying to make Silverlight more accessible in order to provide the rich functionality that is required by today's modern web based applications, which Silverlight or not, seem to be growing in accessability. I wrote quite a lengthy comment piece about this on the survey, and hope someone will get back even to just acknowledge receipt. One other point is that of server admin tasks from the server itself, and the possibility that Silverlight may be required on the server in order to make this work. I feel the Exchange server has enough prereqs already, without adding even more to the mix. Thanks. Andrew (looking at Exchange 2007 SP2 currently at work atm). -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart Sent: 11 September 2009 18:03 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Silverlight for MS Exchange admin tools? Andrew: I saw the same thing you did. My understanding is this would not apply to Exchange 2010, but the version after that, if it happens at all. An interesting question, should we try to peswade the Exchange team against Silverlight, or get an accessible version of Silverligh? Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew@hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 9:55 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Silverlight for MS Exchange admin tools? Hi all, Just reading various blogs this morning, and came across this: http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/08/27/452169.aspx The Exchange team are considering using Silverlight with some sort of web interface. There is a link there to a survey, which I believe we should take part in in order to express our views about the accessibility of this technology, and what it could mean if more MS interfaces start going down this approach. Thanks. Andrew. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
Hi, It is supported to install the management tools with Outlook 2007, in fact some of the cmdlets depend on it (such as import and export-mailbox). Also you don't need to install the full IIS, just the common components. Like anything else when you have trouble and need to access management on the server, this will be one more barrier to this. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart Sent: 12 September 2009 06:51 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Silverlight for MS Exchange admin tools? Agreed on the prerecs. Even the existing client tools have too many prerecs in my opinion. I was really surprised to learn that just to run the management tools on a workstation, you need IIS installed on that workstation. Why? Who knows. Also if apparently Microsoft really strongly recommend against installing the Exchange Management Console on a computer running Outlook 2007. One wonders how Exchange admins check their mail (grin.) Actually quite a few coworkers tell me that even though Microsoft recommends against this they've never had a problem doing it. However, just last week my Outlook hosed itself, and eventually lead me to reformatting my computer (just for the record the Outlook issue didn't lead to the reformat, me doing something stupid to try and fix the problem lead to it) so who knows. On the topic of Silverlight admin specifically, one thing that sounds kind of appealing is that you install Exchange and no management UI is installed on the server save for the Powershell CMDlets, which Exchange is based on anyway. Then you run Silverlight on your client and admin Exchange that way. That could be very appealing because then you could run Exchange in a Server Core install which would make a lot of admins happy I'm sure and might have been part of the thought behind going this way. In anyway case, I'd be interested to hear if you get a response from the Exchange team either way. Good luck with the SP2 upgrade, I don't know much about it I think my work's still on SP1 for the moment. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:42 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Silverlight for MS Exchange admin tools? Hi, Yes - correct about E2010 not being "Silverlight enabled." I believe we should actually be trying to make Silverlight more accessible in order to provide the rich functionality that is required by today's modern web based applications, which Silverlight or not, seem to be growing in accessability. I wrote quite a lengthy comment piece about this on the survey, and hope someone will get back even to just acknowledge receipt. One other point is that of server admin tasks from the server itself, and the possibility that Silverlight may be required on the server in order to make this work. I feel the Exchange server has enough prereqs already, without adding even more to the mix. Thanks. Andrew (looking at Exchange 2007 SP2 currently at work atm). -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart Sent: 11 September 2009 18:03 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Silverlight for MS Exchange admin tools? Andrew: I saw the same thing you did. My understanding is this would not apply to Exchange 2010, but the version after that, if it happens at all. An interesting question, should we try to peswade the Exchange team against Silverlight, or get an accessible version of Silverligh? Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew@hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 9:55 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Silverlight for MS Exchange admin tools? Hi all, Just reading various blogs this morning, and came across this: http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/08/27/452169.aspx The Exchange team are considering using Silverlight with some sort of web interface. There is a link there to a survey, which I believe we should take part in in order to express our views about the accessibility of this technology, and what it could mean if more MS interfaces start going down this approach. Thanks. 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Hmm. The article I read about installing the Exchange 2007 client tools (Exchange 2007 specifically) said specifically don't run Outlook, but the KB article it linked to was for the Exchange 2000 and 2003 client tools. So perhaps MS is off on their own docs, it wouldn't be the first time. Out of curiosity, does anyone know if Silverlight has its own server software, or can any IIS server serve a Silverlight application? Ryan -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 3:05 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Silverlight for MS Exchange admin tools? Hi, It is supported to install the management tools with Outlook 2007, in fact some of the cmdlets depend on it (such as import and export-mailbox). Also you don't need to install the full IIS, just the common components. Like anything else when you have trouble and need to access management on the server, this will be one more barrier to this. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart Sent: 12 September 2009 06:51 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Silverlight for MS Exchange admin tools? Agreed on the prerecs. Even the existing client tools have too many prerecs in my opinion. I was really surprised to learn that just to run the management tools on a workstation, you need IIS installed on that workstation. Why? Who knows. Also if apparently Microsoft really strongly recommend against installing the Exchange Management Console on a computer running Outlook 2007. One wonders how Exchange admins check their mail (grin.) Actually quite a few coworkers tell me that even though Microsoft recommends against this they've never had a problem doing it. However, just last week my Outlook hosed itself, and eventually lead me to reformatting my computer (just for the record the Outlook issue didn't lead to the reformat, me doing something stupid to try and fix the problem lead to it) so who knows. On the topic of Silverlight admin specifically, one thing that sounds kind of appealing is that you install Exchange and no management UI is installed on the server save for the Powershell CMDlets, which Exchange is based on anyway. Then you run Silverlight on your client and admin Exchange that way. That could be very appealing because then you could run Exchange in a Server Core install which would make a lot of admins happy I'm sure and might have been part of the thought behind going this way. In anyway case, I'd be interested to hear if you get a response from the Exchange team either way. Good luck with the SP2 upgrade, I don't know much about it I think my work's still on SP1 for the moment. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:42 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Silverlight for MS Exchange admin tools? Hi, Yes - correct about E2010 not being "Silverlight enabled." I believe we should actually be trying to make Silverlight more accessible in order to provide the rich functionality that is required by today's modern web based applications, which Silverlight or not, seem to be growing in accessability. I wrote quite a lengthy comment piece about this on the survey, and hope someone will get back even to just acknowledge receipt. One other point is that of server admin tasks from the server itself, and the possibility that Silverlight may be required on the server in order to make this work. I feel the Exchange server has enough prereqs already, without adding even more to the mix. Thanks. Andrew (looking at Exchange 2007 SP2 currently at work atm). -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart Sent: 11 September 2009 18:03 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Silverlight for MS Exchange admin tools? Andrew: I saw the same thing you did. My understanding is this would not apply to Exchange 2010, but the version after that, if it happens at all. An interesting question, should we try to peswade the Exchange team against Silverlight, or get an accessible version of Silverligh? Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew@hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 9:55 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Silverlight for MS Exchange admin tools? Hi all, Just reading various blogs this morning, and came across this: http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/08/27/452169.aspx The Exchange team are considering using Silverlight with some sort of web interface. There is a link there to a survey, which I believe we should take part in in order to express our views about the accessibility of this technology, and what it could mean if more MS interfaces start going down this approach. Thanks. 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Hmm. The article I read about installing the Exchange 2007 client tools (Exchange 2007 specifically) said specifically don't run Outlook, but the KB article it linked to was for the Exchange 2000 and 2003 client tools. So perhaps MS is off on their own docs, it wouldn't be the first time. Out of curiosity, does anyone know if Silverlight has its own server software, or can any IIS server serve a Silverlight application? Ryan -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 3:05 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Silverlight for MS Exchange admin tools? Hi, It is supported to install the management tools with Outlook 2007, in fact some of the cmdlets depend on it (such as import and export-mailbox). Also you don't need to install the full IIS, just the common components. Like anything else when you have trouble and need to access management on the server, this will be one more barrier to this. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart Sent: 12 September 2009 06:51 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Silverlight for MS Exchange admin tools? Agreed on the prerecs. Even the existing client tools have too many prerecs in my opinion. I was really surprised to learn that just to run the management tools on a workstation, you need IIS installed on that workstation. Why? Who knows. Also if apparently Microsoft really strongly recommend against installing the Exchange Management Console on a computer running Outlook 2007. One wonders how Exchange admins check their mail (grin.) Actually quite a few coworkers tell me that even though Microsoft recommends against this they've never had a problem doing it. However, just last week my Outlook hosed itself, and eventually lead me to reformatting my computer (just for the record the Outlook issue didn't lead to the reformat, me doing something stupid to try and fix the problem lead to it) so who knows. On the topic of Silverlight admin specifically, one thing that sounds kind of appealing is that you install Exchange and no management UI is installed on the server save for the Powershell CMDlets, which Exchange is based on anyway. Then you run Silverlight on your client and admin Exchange that way. That could be very appealing because then you could run Exchange in a Server Core install which would make a lot of admins happy I'm sure and might have been part of the thought behind going this way. In anyway case, I'd be interested to hear if you get a response from the Exchange team either way. Good luck with the SP2 upgrade, I don't know much about it I think my work's still on SP1 for the moment. Ryan -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:42 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Silverlight for MS Exchange admin tools? Hi, Yes - correct about E2010 not being "Silverlight enabled." I believe we should actually be trying to make Silverlight more accessible in order to provide the rich functionality that is required by today's modern web based applications, which Silverlight or not, seem to be growing in accessability. I wrote quite a lengthy comment piece about this on the survey, and hope someone will get back even to just acknowledge receipt. One other point is that of server admin tasks from the server itself, and the possibility that Silverlight may be required on the server in order to make this work. I feel the Exchange server has enough prereqs already, without adding even more to the mix. Thanks. Andrew (looking at Exchange 2007 SP2 currently at work atm). -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart Sent: 11 September 2009 18:03 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Silverlight for MS Exchange admin tools? Andrew: I saw the same thing you did. My understanding is this would not apply to Exchange 2010, but the version after that, if it happens at all. An interesting question, should we try to peswade the Exchange team against Silverlight, or get an accessible version of Silverligh? Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew@hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 9:55 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Silverlight for MS Exchange admin tools? Hi all, Just reading various blogs this morning, and came across this: http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/08/27/452169.aspx The Exchange team are considering using Silverlight with some sort of web interface. There is a link there to a survey, which I believe we should take part in in order to express our views about the accessibility of this technology, and what it could mean if more MS interfaces start going down this approach. Thanks. 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Hi, Yes - correct about E2010 not being "Silverlight enabled." I believe we should actually be trying to make Silverlight more accessible in order to provide the rich functionality that is required by today's modern web based applications, which Silverlight or not, seem to be growing in accessability. I wrote quite a lengthy comment piece about this on the survey, and hope someone will get back even to just acknowledge receipt. One other point is that of server admin tasks from the server itself, and the possibility that Silverlight may be required on the server in order to make this work. I feel the Exchange server has enough prereqs already, without adding even more to the mix. Thanks. Andrew (looking at Exchange 2007 SP2 currently at work atm). -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Shugart Sent: 11 September 2009 18:03 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Silverlight for MS Exchange admin tools? Andrew: I saw the same thing you did. My understanding is this would not apply to Exchange 2010, but the version after that, if it happens at all. An interesting question, should we try to peswade the Exchange team against Silverlight, or get an accessible version of Silverligh? Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew@hodgsonfamily.org> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 9:55 AM To: Blind sysadmins list <blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org> Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Silverlight for MS Exchange admin tools? Hi all, Just reading various blogs this morning, and came across this: http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/08/27/452169.aspx The Exchange team are considering using Silverlight with some sort of web interface. There is a link there to a survey, which I believe we should take part in in order to express our views about the accessibility of this technology, and what it could mean if more MS interfaces start going down this approach. Thanks. Andrew. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
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