TeraTerm

Steve Matzura

17 Aug 2015 17 Aug '15

6:25 p.m.

Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a simple JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances which make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with it. Soon as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll probably ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something better, or something that can be changed in the script I have for it, I'm all about trying it. TIA

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Bill Dengler

17 Aug 17 Aug

6:27 p.m.

I use PuTTY: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html Fully accessible out of the box with NVDA. Bill

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On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:

Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a simple JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances which make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with it. Soon as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll probably ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something better, or something that can be changed in the script I have for it, I'm all about trying it.

TIA

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Steve Matzura

6:57 p.m.

Ah, there's my problem. JAWS plays games with accessibility. I have and occasionally use putty here but have never tried it with NVDA. On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 14:27:00 -0400, you wrote:

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I use PuTTY: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html Fully accessible out of the box with NVDA.

Bill

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On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:

Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a simple JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances which make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with it. Soon as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll probably ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something better, or something that can be changed in the script I have for it, I'm all about trying it.

TIA

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Scott Granados

6:33 p.m.

Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, Secure CRT is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is very good though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including serial.

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On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:

Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a simple JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances which make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with it. Soon as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll probably ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something better, or something that can be changed in the script I have for it, I'm all about trying it.

TIA

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Steve Matzura

6:59 p.m.

How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, and found I have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the other system. On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote:

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Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, Secure CRT is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is very good though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including serial.

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On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:

Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a simple JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances which make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with it. Soon as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll probably ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something better, or something that can be changed in the script I have for it, I'm all about trying it.

TIA

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mattias jonsson

7:26 p.m.

Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] För Steve Matzura Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 Till: Blind sysadmins list Ämne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, and found I have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the other system. On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote:

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Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, Secure CRT is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is very good though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including serial.

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On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:

Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a simple JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances which make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with it. Soon as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll probably ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something better, or something that can be changed in the script I have for it, I'm all about trying it.

TIA

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Steve Matzura

8:31 p.m.

That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that mess. TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with PUTTY. On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote:

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Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed

-----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] För Steve Matzura Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 Till: Blind sysadmins list Ämne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, and found I have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the other system.

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote:

...
Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, Secure CRT is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is very good though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including serial.

...
On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:

Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a simple JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances which make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with it. Soon as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll probably ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something better, or something that can be changed in the script I have for it, I'm all about trying it.

TIA

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Brent Harding

18 Aug 18 Aug

12:33 a.m.

I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't bad with the simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the net until you try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I think we probably have to find a different way to edit files on the remote machine though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to work good. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" To: "Blind sysadmins list" Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that mess. TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with PUTTY. On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote:

...

Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed

-----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] För Steve Matzura Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 Till: Blind sysadmins list Ämne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, and found I have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the other system.

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote:

...
Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, Secure CRT is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is very good though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including serial.

...
On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:

Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a simple JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances which make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with it. Soon as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll probably ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something better, or something that can be changed in the script I have for it, I'm all about trying it.

TIA

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David Thomas

12:37 a.m.

I have been using Win SCP and putty with NVDA with great success. I know this is a cobbled together solution, but I have found this to be very officient, and able to allow me to get the job done. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Brent Harding Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 8:33 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't bad with the simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the net until you try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I think we probably have to find a different way to edit files on the remote machine though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to work good. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" To: "Blind sysadmins list" Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that mess. TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with PUTTY. On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote:

...

Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed

-----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] För Steve Matzura Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 Till: Blind sysadmins list Ämne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, and found I

...

have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the other system.

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote:

...
Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, Secure CRT is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is very good though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including serial.

...
On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:

Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a simple JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances which make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with it. Soon as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll probably ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something better, or something that can be changed in the script I have for it, I'm all about trying it.

TIA

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Brent Harding

2:46 a.m.

Yep, you can hook WinSCP up to use other editors like Ed Sharp, or just use the one it has built in. It probably works better for longer things than Teraterm and nano do. I did cobble together an interesting way to get files up there with Tt though. If you get the package lrzsz on a VPS or something, you can use SZ or RZ and then use the Z-modem option in transfer under the file menu to get the job done if one didn't have WinSCP or something around. I'm surprised that kind of thing even ran over SSH though. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Thomas" To: "Blind sysadmins list" Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

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I have been using Win SCP and putty with NVDA with great success. I know this is a cobbled together solution, but I have found this to be very officient, and able to allow me to get the job done.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Brent Harding Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 8:33 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't bad with the simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the net until you try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I think we probably have to find a different way to edit files on the remote machine though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to work good.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" To: "Blind sysadmins list" Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that mess. TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with PUTTY.

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote:

...
Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed

-----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] För Steve Matzura Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 Till: Blind sysadmins list Ämne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, and found I

...
have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the other system.

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote:

...
Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, Secure CRT is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is very good though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including serial.

...
On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:

Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a simple JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances which make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with it. Soon as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll probably ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something better, or something that can be changed in the script I have for it, I'm all about trying it.

TIA

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mike

11:27 p.m.

Hi, I use winscp for ewditing files but am wondering if anyone has gotten winscp to work when you need to have sudo before the file to edit it? -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Brent Harding Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 10:47 PM To: david.thomas@davidthetechguy.com; Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm Yep, you can hook WinSCP up to use other editors like Ed Sharp, or just use the one it has built in. It probably works better for longer things than Teraterm and nano do. I did cobble together an interesting way to get files up there with Tt though. If you get the package lrzsz on a VPS or something, you can use SZ or RZ and then use the Z-modem option in transfer under the file menu to get the job done if one didn't have WinSCP or something around. I'm surprised that kind of thing even ran over SSH though. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Thomas" To: "Blind sysadmins list" Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

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I have been using Win SCP and putty with NVDA with great success. I know this is a cobbled together solution, but I have found this to be very officient, and able to allow me to get the job done.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Brent Harding Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 8:33 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't bad with the simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the net until you try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I think we probably have to find a different way to edit files on the remote machine though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to work good.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" To: "Blind sysadmins list" Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that mess. TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with PUTTY.

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote:

...
Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed

-----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] För Steve Matzura Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 Till: Blind sysadmins list Ämne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, and found I

...
have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the other system.

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote:

...
Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, Secure CRT is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is very good though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including serial.

...
On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:

Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a simple JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances which make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with it. Soon as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll probably ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something better, or something that can be changed in the script I have for it, I'm all about trying it.

TIA

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Bill Dengler

19 Aug 19 Aug

1:15 a.m.

New subject: Win SCP was Re: TeraTerm

Just log in with the root account??? Bill

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On Aug 18, 2015, at 7:27 PM, mike wrote:

Hi,

I use winscp for ewditing files but am wondering if anyone has gotten winscp to work when you need to have sudo before the file to edit it?

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Brent Harding Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 10:47 PM To: david.thomas@davidthetechguy.com; Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

Yep, you can hook WinSCP up to use other editors like Ed Sharp, or just use the one it has built in. It probably works better for longer things than Teraterm and nano do. I did cobble together an interesting way to get files up there with Tt though. If you get the package lrzsz on a VPS or something, you can use SZ or RZ and then use the Z-modem option in transfer under the file menu to get the job done if one didn't have WinSCP or something around. I'm surprised that kind of thing even ran over SSH though.

----- Original Message ----- From: "David Thomas" To: "Blind sysadmins list" Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

...
I have been using Win SCP and putty with NVDA with great success. I know this is a cobbled together solution, but I have found this to be very officient, and able to allow me to get the job done.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Brent Harding Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 8:33 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't bad with the simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the net until you try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I think we probably have to find a different way to edit files on the remote machine though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to work good.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" To: "Blind sysadmins list" Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that mess. TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with PUTTY.

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote:

...
Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed

-----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] För Steve Matzura Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 Till: Blind sysadmins list Ämne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, and found I

...
have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the other system.

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote:

...
Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, Secure CRT is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is very good though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including serial.

...
On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:

Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a simple JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances which make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with it. Soon as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll probably ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something better, or something that can be changed in the script I have for it, I'm all about trying it.

TIA

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mike

9:03 p.m.

New subject: Win SCP was Re: TeraTerm

Hi, There are some causes like in certain work environments where you cannot have root access for security purposes. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Bill Dengler Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 9:15 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Win SCP was Re: TeraTerm Just log in with the root account??? Bill

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On Aug 18, 2015, at 7:27 PM, mike wrote:

Hi,

I use winscp for ewditing files but am wondering if anyone has gotten winscp to work when you need to have sudo before the file to edit it?

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Brent Harding Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 10:47 PM To: david.thomas@davidthetechguy.com; Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

Yep, you can hook WinSCP up to use other editors like Ed Sharp, or just use the one it has built in. It probably works better for longer things than Teraterm and nano do. I did cobble together an interesting way to get files up there with Tt though. If you get the package lrzsz on a VPS or something, you can use SZ or RZ and then use the Z-modem option in transfer under the file menu to get the job done if one didn't have WinSCP or something around. I'm surprised that kind of thing even ran over SSH though.

----- Original Message ----- From: "David Thomas" To: "Blind sysadmins list" Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

...
I have been using Win SCP and putty with NVDA with great success. I know this is a cobbled together solution, but I have found this to be very officient, and able to allow me to get the job done.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Brent Harding Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 8:33 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't bad with the simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the net until you try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I think we probably have to find a different way to edit files on the remote machine though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to work good.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" To: "Blind sysadmins list" Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that mess. TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with PUTTY.

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote:

...
Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed

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How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, and found I

...
have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the other system.

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote:

...
Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, Secure CRT is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is very good though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including serial.

...
On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:

Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a simple JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances which make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with it. Soon as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll probably ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something better, or something that can be changed in the script I have for it, I'm all about trying it.

TIA

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9:11 p.m.

New subject: Win SCP was Re: TeraTerm

This may not be always achievable, but if you can be a member of the group that owns the file, you should be able to explore the file system in WinSCP to edit it. I don't think there is a way to edit the file without Nano, Vi, etc on the commandline if sudo is the only available way to do it. I'm not entirely sure what commands WinSCP uses behind the scenes when you hit save in the editor, but it may just use the scp command to overwrite the file with the changed one. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike" To: "'Blind sysadmins list'" Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Win SCP was Re: TeraTerm

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Hi,

There are some causes like in certain work environments where you cannot have root access for security purposes.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Bill Dengler Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 9:15 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Win SCP was Re: TeraTerm

Just log in with the root account???

Bill

...
On Aug 18, 2015, at 7:27 PM, mike wrote:

Hi,

I use winscp for ewditing files but am wondering if anyone has gotten winscp to work when you need to have sudo before the file to edit it?

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Brent Harding Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 10:47 PM To: david.thomas@davidthetechguy.com; Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

Yep, you can hook WinSCP up to use other editors like Ed Sharp, or just use the one it has built in. It probably works better for longer things than Teraterm and nano do. I did cobble together an interesting way to get files up there with Tt though. If you get the package lrzsz on a VPS or something, you can use SZ or RZ and then use the Z-modem option in transfer under the file menu to get the job done if one didn't have WinSCP or something around. I'm surprised that kind of thing even ran over SSH though.

----- Original Message ----- From: "David Thomas" To: "Blind sysadmins list" Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

...
I have been using Win SCP and putty with NVDA with great success. I know this is a cobbled together solution, but I have found this to be very officient, and able to allow me to get the job done.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Brent Harding Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 8:33 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't bad with the simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the net until you try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I think we probably have to find a different way to edit files on the remote machine though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to work good.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" To: "Blind sysadmins list" Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that mess. TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with PUTTY.

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote:

...
Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed

-----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] För Steve Matzura Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 Till: Blind sysadmins list Ämne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, and found I

...
have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the other system.

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote:

...
Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, Secure CRT is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is very good though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including serial.

...
On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:

Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a simple JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances which make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with it. Soon as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll probably ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something better, or something that can be changed in the script I have for it, I'm all about trying it.

TIA

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Steve Matzura

31 Oct 31 Oct

3:18 p.m.

New subject: Win SCP was Re: TeraTerm

Just about every Unix-like system on which I have ever worked inhibits, prohibits, ssh to root. On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 17:03:34 -0400, you wrote:

...

Hi,

There are some causes like in certain work environments where you cannot have root access for security purposes.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Bill Dengler Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 9:15 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Win SCP was Re: TeraTerm

Just log in with the root account???

Bill

...
On Aug 18, 2015, at 7:27 PM, mike wrote:

Hi,

I use winscp for ewditing files but am wondering if anyone has gotten winscp to work when you need to have sudo before the file to edit it?

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Brent Harding Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 10:47 PM To: david.thomas@davidthetechguy.com; Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

Yep, you can hook WinSCP up to use other editors like Ed Sharp, or just use the one it has built in. It probably works better for longer things than Teraterm and nano do. I did cobble together an interesting way to get files up there with Tt though. If you get the package lrzsz on a VPS or something, you can use SZ or RZ and then use the Z-modem option in transfer under the file menu to get the job done if one didn't have WinSCP or something around. I'm surprised that kind of thing even ran over SSH though.

----- Original Message ----- From: "David Thomas" To: "Blind sysadmins list" Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

...
I have been using Win SCP and putty with NVDA with great success. I know this is a cobbled together solution, but I have found this to be very officient, and able to allow me to get the job done.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Brent Harding Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 8:33 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't bad with the simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the net until you try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I think we probably have to find a different way to edit files on the remote machine though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to work good.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" To: "Blind sysadmins list" Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that mess. TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with PUTTY.

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote:

...
Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed

-----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] För Steve Matzura Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 Till: Blind sysadmins list Ämne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, and found I

...
have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the other system.

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote:

...
Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, Secure CRT is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is very good though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including serial.

...
On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:

Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a simple JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances which make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with it. Soon as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll probably ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something better, or something that can be changed in the script I have for it, I'm all about trying it.

TIA

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1 Nov 1 Nov

2:23 p.m.

New subject: Win SCP was Re: TeraTerm

Hi, You can still ssh and sftp into root under debian and centos. I am not sure about artch and others but I know Ubuntu doe not even let you log in as root. You can also do this if you are building your own linux from scratch. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 11:18 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Win SCP was Re: TeraTerm Just about every Unix-like system on which I have ever worked inhibits, prohibits, ssh to root. On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 17:03:34 -0400, you wrote:

...

Hi,

There are some causes like in certain work environments where you cannot have root access for security purposes.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Bill Dengler Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 9:15 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Win SCP was Re: TeraTerm

Just log in with the root account???

Bill

...
On Aug 18, 2015, at 7:27 PM, mike wrote:

Hi,

I use winscp for ewditing files but am wondering if anyone has gotten winscp to work when you need to have sudo before the file to edit it?

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Brent Harding Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 10:47 PM To: david.thomas@davidthetechguy.com; Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

Yep, you can hook WinSCP up to use other editors like Ed Sharp, or just use the one it has built in. It probably works better for longer things than Teraterm and nano do. I did cobble together an interesting way to get files up there with Tt though. If you get the package lrzsz on a VPS or something, you can use SZ or RZ and then use the Z-modem option in transfer under the file menu to get the job done if one didn't have WinSCP or something around.

...

...
I'm surprised that kind of thing even ran over SSH though.

----- Original Message ----- From: "David Thomas" To: "Blind sysadmins list" Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

...
I have been using Win SCP and putty with NVDA with great success. I know this is a cobbled together solution, but I have found this to be very officient, and able to allow me to get the job done.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Brent Harding Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 8:33 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't bad with the simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the net until you try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I think we probably have to find a different way to edit files on the remote machine though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to work good.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" To: "Blind sysadmins list" Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that mess. TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with PUTTY.

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote:

...
Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed

-----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] För Steve Matzura Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 Till: Blind sysadmins list Ämne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, and found I

...
have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the other system.

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote:

...
Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, Secure CRT is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is very good though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including serial.

...
On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:

Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a simple JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances which make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with it. Soon as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll probably ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something better, or something that can be changed in the script I have for it, I'm all about trying it.

TIA

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Steve Matzura

5:10 p.m.

New subject: Win SCP was Re: TeraTerm

Scratch is way above my brain-grade, and Fedora expressly inhibits root from logging in by anything but su. This inhibition can be disabled, but it's just another hole in the Swiss cheese I'd prefer not to open. On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 09:23:02 -0500, you wrote:

...

Hi,

You can still ssh and sftp into root under debian and centos. I am not sure about artch and others but I know Ubuntu doe not even let you log in as root. You can also do this if you are building your own linux from scratch.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 11:18 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Win SCP was Re: TeraTerm

Just about every Unix-like system on which I have ever worked inhibits, prohibits, ssh to root.

On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 17:03:34 -0400, you wrote:

...
Hi,

There are some causes like in certain work environments where you cannot have root access for security purposes.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Bill Dengler Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 9:15 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Win SCP was Re: TeraTerm

Just log in with the root account???

Bill

...
On Aug 18, 2015, at 7:27 PM, mike wrote:

Hi,

I use winscp for ewditing files but am wondering if anyone has gotten winscp to work when you need to have sudo before the file to edit it?

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Brent Harding Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 10:47 PM To: david.thomas@davidthetechguy.com; Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

Yep, you can hook WinSCP up to use other editors like Ed Sharp, or just use the one it has built in. It probably works better for longer things than Teraterm and nano do. I did cobble together an interesting way to get files up there with Tt though. If you get the package lrzsz on a VPS or something, you can use SZ or RZ and then use the Z-modem option in transfer under the file menu to get the job done if one didn't have WinSCP or something around.

...
...
I'm surprised that kind of thing even ran over SSH though.

----- Original Message ----- From: "David Thomas" To: "Blind sysadmins list" Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

...
I have been using Win SCP and putty with NVDA with great success. I know this is a cobbled together solution, but I have found this to be very officient, and able to allow me to get the job done.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Brent Harding Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 8:33 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't bad with the simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the net until you try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I think we probably have to find a different way to edit files on the remote machine though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to work good.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" To: "Blind sysadmins list" Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that mess. TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with PUTTY.

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote:

...
Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed

-----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] För Steve Matzura Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 Till: Blind sysadmins list Ämne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, and found I

...
have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the other system.

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote:

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Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, Secure CRT is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is very good though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including serial.

> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura wrote: > > Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a > simple JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and > annoyances which make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with it. > Soon as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll > probably ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something > better, or something that can be changed in the script I have for > it, I'm all about trying it. > > TIA > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins

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7:48 p.m.

New subject: Win SCP was Re: TeraTerm

If you need to scp files to a linux machine as root, you should use an ssh key. You might have to reconfigure ssh to allow logins as root. But there is a setting to allow root logins with ssh keys but not via password. It's not that you can't log in as root on ubuntu. It's just that it's disabled by default. I'm not sure if there is a way to set the root password to something totally impossible to guess. But you can always set it to something so long it's not practical with one of the many password generator programs out there. There is always a push-pull between convenience and security. One way to prevent hacks is to never put a machine on the internet. Many end-users would find that inconvenient though. Using an ssh key is about the best you can do if you need to update files remotely. On 11/01/2015 08:23 AM, mike wrote:

...

Hi,

You can still ssh and sftp into root under debian and centos. I am not sure about artch and others but I know Ubuntu doe not even let you log in as root. You can also do this if you are building your own linux from scratch.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 11:18 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Win SCP was Re: TeraTerm

Just about every Unix-like system on which I have ever worked inhibits, prohibits, ssh to root.

On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 17:03:34 -0400, you wrote:

...
Hi,

There are some causes like in certain work environments where you cannot have root access for security purposes. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Bill Dengler Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 9:15 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Win SCP was Re: TeraTerm

Just log in with the root account???

Bill

...
On Aug 18, 2015, at 7:27 PM, mike wrote:

Hi,

I use winscp for ewditing files but am wondering if anyone has gotten winscp to work when you need to have sudo before the file to edit it? -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Brent Harding Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 10:47 PM To: david.thomas@davidthetechguy.com; Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

Yep, you can hook WinSCP up to use other editors like Ed Sharp, or just use the one it has built in. It probably works better for longer things than Teraterm and nano do. I did cobble together an interesting way to get files up there with Tt though. If you get the package lrzsz on a VPS or something, you can use SZ or RZ and then use the Z-modem option in transfer under the file menu to get the job done if one didn't have WinSCP or something around.

...
...
I'm surprised that kind of thing even ran over SSH though.

----- Original Message ----- From: "David Thomas" To: "Blind sysadmins list" Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

...
I have been using Win SCP and putty with NVDA with great success. I know this is a cobbled together solution, but I have found this to be very officient, and able to allow me to get the job done.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Brent Harding Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 8:33 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't bad with the simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the net until you try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I think we probably have to find a different way to edit files on the remote machine though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to work good. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" To: "Blind sysadmins list" Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that mess. TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with PUTTY.

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote:

...
Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed

-----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] För Steve Matzura Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 Till: Blind sysadmins list Ämne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, and found I have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the other system. On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote:

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Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, Secure CRT is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is very good though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including serial. > On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura wrote: > > Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a > simple JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and > annoyances which make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with it. > Soon as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll > probably ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something > better, or something that can be changed in the script I have for > it, I'm all about trying it. > > TIA > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins

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2 Nov 2 Nov

12:44 a.m.

New subject: Win SCP was Re: TeraTerm

...

Hi,

You can still ssh and sftp into root under debian and centos. I am not sure about artch and others but I know Ubuntu doe not even let you log in as root. You can also do this if you are building your own linux from scratch.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 11:18 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Win SCP was Re: TeraTerm

Just about every Unix-like system on which I have ever worked inhibits, prohibits, ssh to root.

On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 17:03:34 -0400, you wrote:

...
Hi,

There are some causes like in certain work environments where you cannot have root access for security purposes. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Bill Dengler Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 9:15 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Win SCP was Re: TeraTerm

Just log in with the root account???

Bill

...
On Aug 18, 2015, at 7:27 PM, mike wrote:

Hi,

I use winscp for ewditing files but am wondering if anyone has gotten winscp to work when you need to have sudo before the file to edit it? -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Brent Harding Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 10:47 PM To: david.thomas@davidthetechguy.com; Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

Yep, you can hook WinSCP up to use other editors like Ed Sharp, or just use the one it has built in. It probably works better for longer things

To only allow root to ssh using a key, add this to /etc/ssh/sshd_config: PermitRootLogin prohibit-password You can use "usermod -L" to lock an account, which just disables the password. I've used this with regular accounts that never need to be able to log in using a password. You can still su to them or ssh using a key. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of John G. Heim Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2015 1:48 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Win SCP was Re: TeraTerm If you need to scp files to a linux machine as root, you should use an ssh key. You might have to reconfigure ssh to allow logins as root. But there is a setting to allow root logins with ssh keys but not via password. It's not that you can't log in as root on ubuntu. It's just that it's disabled by default. I'm not sure if there is a way to set the root password to something totally impossible to guess. But you can always set it to something so long it's not practical with one of the many password generator programs out there. There is always a push-pull between convenience and security. One way to prevent hacks is to never put a machine on the internet. Many end-users would find that inconvenient though. Using an ssh key is about the best you can do if you need to update files remotely. On 11/01/2015 08:23 AM, mike wrote: than

...

Teraterm and nano do. I did cobble together an interesting way to get files up there with Tt though. If you get the package lrzsz on a VPS or something, you can use SZ or RZ and then use the Z-modem option in transfer under the file menu to get the job done if one didn't have WinSCP or something around.

...
...
I'm surprised that kind of thing even ran over SSH though.

----- Original Message ----- From: "David Thomas" To: "Blind sysadmins list" Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

...
I have been using Win SCP and putty with NVDA with great success. I know this is a cobbled together solution, but I have found this to be very officient, and able to allow me to get the job done.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Brent Harding Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 8:33 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't bad with the simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the net until you try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I think we probably have to find a different way to edit files on the remote machine though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to work good. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" To: "Blind sysadmins list" Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that mess. TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with PUTTY.

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote:

...
Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed

-----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] För Steve Matzura Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 Till: Blind sysadmins list Ämne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, and found I have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the other system. On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote:

...
Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, Secure CRT is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is very good though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including serial. > On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura wrote: > > Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a > simple JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and > annoyances which make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with it. > Soon as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll > probably ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something > better, or something that can be changed in the script I have for > it, I'm all about trying it. > > TIA > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins

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1:17 a.m.

New subject: Win SCP was Re: TeraTerm

...

Hi,

You can still ssh and sftp into root under debian and centos. I am not sure about artch and others but I know Ubuntu doe not even let you log in as root. You can also do this if you are building your own linux from scratch.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 11:18 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Win SCP was Re: TeraTerm

Just about every Unix-like system on which I have ever worked inhibits, prohibits, ssh to root.

On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 17:03:34 -0400, you wrote:

...
Hi,

There are some causes like in certain work environments where you cannot have root access for security purposes. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Bill Dengler Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 9:15 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Win SCP was Re: TeraTerm

Just log in with the root account???

Bill

...
On Aug 18, 2015, at 7:27 PM, mike wrote:

Hi,

I use winscp for ewditing files but am wondering if anyone has gotten winscp to work when you need to have sudo before the file to edit it? -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Brent Harding Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 10:47 PM To: david.thomas@davidthetechguy.com; Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

Yep, you can hook WinSCP up to use other editors like Ed Sharp, or just use the one it has built in. It probably works better for longer things

Hi Chris, Thanks for this I have been looking for a way to look an account from using a password and only an ssh key. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nestrud Sent: Sunday, November 1, 2015 7:44 PM To: 'Blind sysadmins list' Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Win SCP was Re: TeraTerm To only allow root to ssh using a key, add this to /etc/ssh/sshd_config: PermitRootLogin prohibit-password You can use "usermod -L" to lock an account, which just disables the password. I've used this with regular accounts that never need to be able to log in using a password. You can still su to them or ssh using a key. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of John G. Heim Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2015 1:48 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Win SCP was Re: TeraTerm If you need to scp files to a linux machine as root, you should use an ssh key. You might have to reconfigure ssh to allow logins as root. But there is a setting to allow root logins with ssh keys but not via password. It's not that you can't log in as root on ubuntu. It's just that it's disabled by default. I'm not sure if there is a way to set the root password to something totally impossible to guess. But you can always set it to something so long it's not practical with one of the many password generator programs out there. There is always a push-pull between convenience and security. One way to prevent hacks is to never put a machine on the internet. Many end-users would find that inconvenient though. Using an ssh key is about the best you can do if you need to update files remotely. On 11/01/2015 08:23 AM, mike wrote: than

...

Teraterm and nano do. I did cobble together an interesting way to get files up there with Tt though. If you get the package lrzsz on a VPS or something, you can use SZ or RZ and then use the Z-modem option in transfer under the file menu to get the job done if one didn't have WinSCP or something around.

...
...
I'm surprised that kind of thing even ran over SSH though.

----- Original Message ----- From: "David Thomas" To: "Blind sysadmins list" Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

...
I have been using Win SCP and putty with NVDA with great success. I know this is a cobbled together solution, but I have found this to be very officient, and able to allow me to get the job done.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Brent Harding Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 8:33 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't bad with the simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the net until you try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I think we probably have to find a different way to edit files on the remote machine though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to work good. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" To: "Blind sysadmins list" Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that mess. TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with PUTTY.

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote:

...
Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed

-----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] För Steve Matzura Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 Till: Blind sysadmins list Ämne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, and found I have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the other system. On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote:

...
Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, Secure CRT is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is very good though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including serial. > On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura wrote: > > Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a > simple JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and > annoyances which make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with it. > Soon as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll > probably ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something > better, or something that can be changed in the script I have for > it, I'm all about trying it. > > TIA > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins

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8:49 p.m.

New subject: Win SCP was Re: TeraTerm

Yeah, that's a great tip. Man usermod says the -l flag puts an exclamation mark at the beginning of the encrypted password effectively disabling it. I am going to say that makes the password absolutely unguessable because the encryption algorythm probably cannot generate an exclamation point. This topic comes up on the lists I'm on from time to time but I've never seen a clear explanation of what ubuntu does by default with the root password. The ubuntu web site itself is kind of vague. I wouldn't be surprised if they just used the -l flag. On 11/01/2015 07:17 PM, mike wrote:

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Hi Chris,

Thanks for this I have been looking for a way to look an account from using a password and only an ssh key.

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To only allow root to ssh using a key, add this to /etc/ssh/sshd_config:

PermitRootLogin prohibit-password

You can use "usermod -L" to lock an account, which just disables the password. I've used this with regular accounts that never need to be able to log in using a password. You can still su to them or ssh using a key.

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If you need to scp files to a linux machine as root, you should use an ssh key. You might have to reconfigure ssh to allow logins as root. But there is a setting to allow root logins with ssh keys but not via password.

It's not that you can't log in as root on ubuntu. It's just that it's disabled by default. I'm not sure if there is a way to set the root password to something totally impossible to guess. But you can always set it to something so long it's not practical with one of the many password generator programs out there.

There is always a push-pull between convenience and security. One way to prevent hacks is to never put a machine on the internet. Many end-users would find that inconvenient though. Using an ssh key is about the best you can do if you need to update files remotely.

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Hi,

You can still ssh and sftp into root under debian and centos. I am not sure about artch and others but I know Ubuntu doe not even let you log in as root. You can also do this if you are building your own linux from scratch.

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Just about every Unix-like system on which I have ever worked inhibits, prohibits, ssh to root.

On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 17:03:34 -0400, you wrote:

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Hi,

There are some causes like in certain work environments where you cannot have root access for security purposes. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Bill Dengler Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 9:15 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Win SCP was Re: TeraTerm

Just log in with the root account???

Bill

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On Aug 18, 2015, at 7:27 PM, mike wrote:

Hi,

I use winscp for ewditing files but am wondering if anyone has gotten winscp to work when you need to have sudo before the file to edit it? -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Brent Harding Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 10:47 PM To: david.thomas@davidthetechguy.com; Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

Yep, you can hook WinSCP up to use other editors like Ed Sharp, or just use the one it has built in. It probably works better for longer things

On 11/01/2015 08:23 AM, mike wrote: than

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Teraterm and nano do. I did cobble together an interesting way to get files up there with Tt though. If you get the package lrzsz on a VPS or something, you can use SZ or RZ and then use the Z-modem option in transfer under the file menu to get the job done if one didn't have WinSCP or something around.

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I'm surprised that kind of thing even ran over SSH though.

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I have been using Win SCP and putty with NVDA with great success. I know this is a cobbled together solution, but I have found this to be very officient, and able to allow me to get the job done.

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I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't bad with the simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the net until you try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I think we probably have to find a different way to edit files on the remote machine though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to work good. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" To: "Blind sysadmins list" Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that mess. TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with PUTTY.

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote:

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Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed

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How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, and found I have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the other system. On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote:

> Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, Secure > CRT is > $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is very > good though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including serial. >> On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura wrote: >> >> Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a >> simple JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and >> annoyances which make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with it. >> Soon as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll >> probably ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something >> better, or something that can be changed in the script I have for >> it, I'm all about trying it. >> >> TIA >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins

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mike

1:11 a.m.

New subject: Win SCP was Re: TeraTerm

Hi, I usually use ssh keys but on some of my employers systems they are still using passwords. I have been trying to get them to use them but they claim that they don't need them. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of John G. Heim Sent: Sunday, November 1, 2015 2:48 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Win SCP was Re: TeraTerm If you need to scp files to a linux machine as root, you should use an ssh key. You might have to reconfigure ssh to allow logins as root. But there is a setting to allow root logins with ssh keys but not via password. It's not that you can't log in as root on ubuntu. It's just that it's disabled by default. I'm not sure if there is a way to set the root password to something totally impossible to guess. But you can always set it to something so long it's not practical with one of the many password generator programs out there. There is always a push-pull between convenience and security. One way to prevent hacks is to never put a machine on the internet. Many end-users would find that inconvenient though. Using an ssh key is about the best you can do if you need to update files remotely. On 11/01/2015 08:23 AM, mike wrote:

...

Hi,

You can still ssh and sftp into root under debian and centos. I am not sure about artch and others but I know Ubuntu doe not even let you log in as root. You can also do this if you are building your own linux from scratch.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 11:18 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Win SCP was Re: TeraTerm

Just about every Unix-like system on which I have ever worked inhibits, prohibits, ssh to root.

On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 17:03:34 -0400, you wrote:

...
Hi,

There are some causes like in certain work environments where you cannot have root access for security purposes. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Bill Dengler Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 9:15 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Win SCP was Re: TeraTerm

Just log in with the root account???

...
On Aug 18, 2015, at 7:27 PM, mike wrote:

Hi,

I use winscp for ewditing files but am wondering if anyone has gotten winscp to work when you need to have sudo before the file to edit it? -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Brent Harding Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 10:47 PM To: david.thomas@davidthetechguy.com; Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

Yep, you can hook WinSCP up to use other editors like Ed Sharp, or just use the one it has built in. It probably works better for longer

Bill things than Teraterm and nano do. I did cobble together an interesting way to get files up there with Tt though. If you get the package lrzsz on a VPS or something, you can use SZ or RZ and then use the Z-modem option in transfer under the file menu to get the job done if one didn't have WinSCP or something around.

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I'm surprised that kind of thing even ran over SSH though.

----- Original Message ----- From: "David Thomas" To: "Blind sysadmins list" Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

...
I have been using Win SCP and putty with NVDA with great success. I know this is a cobbled together solution, but I have found this to be very officient, and able to allow me to get the job done.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Brent Harding Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 8:33 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't bad with the simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the net until you try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I think we probably have to find a different way to edit files on the remote machine though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to work good. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" To: "Blind sysadmins list" Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that mess. TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with PUTTY.

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote:

...
Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed

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How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, and found I have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the other system. On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote:

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Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, Secure CRT is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is very good though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including serial. > On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura wrote: > > Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a > simple JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and > annoyances which make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at > all done with it. > Soon as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll > probably ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's > something better, or something that can be changed in the script > I have for it, I'm all about trying it. > > TIA > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins

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12:26 p.m.

That's the exact problem I have and have noticed. On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:33:21 -0500, you wrote:

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I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't bad with the simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the net until you try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I think we probably have to find a different way to edit files on the remote machine though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to work good.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" To: "Blind sysadmins list" Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that mess. TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with PUTTY.

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote:

...
Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed

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How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, and found I have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the other system.

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote:

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Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, Secure CRT is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is very good though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including serial.

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On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:

Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a simple JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances which make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with it. Soon as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll probably ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something better, or something that can be changed in the script I have for it, I'm all about trying it.

TIA

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1 p.m.

There used to be a fairly active jaws scripting list. I got all kinds of good advice there back when I used jaws. It probably still exists. By the way, I have a script for openssh for Windows if you are I also still have the openssh installer. I think it would be legal for me to give that to you. interested. But openssh for Windows hasn't been supported for about 10 years. It runs in a command window so the screen reader just has to work with a command window to work with openssh. On 08/18/2015 07:26 AM, Steve Matzura wrote:

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That's the exact problem I have and have noticed.

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:33:21 -0500, you wrote:

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I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't bad with the simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the net until you try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I think we probably have to find a different way to edit files on the remote machine though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to work good.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" To: "Blind sysadmins list" Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that mess. TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with PUTTY.

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote:

...
Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed

-----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] För Steve Matzura Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 Till: Blind sysadmins list Ämne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, and found I have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the other system.

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote:

...
Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, Secure CRT is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is very good though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including serial.

...
On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:

Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a simple JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances which make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with it. Soon as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll probably ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something better, or something that can be changed in the script I have for it, I'm all about trying it.

TIA

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Chris Nestrud

1:57 p.m.

I use Secure CRT and some very simple JAWS scripts for screen echo that I wrote and placed here: http://chrisnestrud.com/projects/jfw/scrt Chris On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:33:21PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote:

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I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't bad with the simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the net until you try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I think we probably have to find a different way to edit files on the remote machine though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to work good.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" To: "Blind sysadmins list" Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that mess. TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with PUTTY.

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote:

...
Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed

-----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr?n: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] F?r Steve Matzura Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 Till: Blind sysadmins list ?mne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, and found I have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the other system.

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote:

...
Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, Secure CRT is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is very good though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including serial.

...
On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:

Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a simple JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances which make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with it. Soon as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll probably ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something better, or something that can be changed in the script I have for it, I'm all about trying it.

TIA

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Scott Granados

3:17 p.m.

And I use your scripts that you placed there and have for a while now. Thank you Chris for making them available! Sincerely, you’ve helped make using ssh on a PC much more bearable. I’ve been using a Mac for a while now but every once in a while you need to use secure CRT under windows and that script makes things output very much more smoothly than putty.

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On Aug 18, 2015, at 9:57 AM, Chris Nestrud wrote:

I use Secure CRT and some very simple JAWS scripts for screen echo that I wrote and placed here:

http://chrisnestrud.com/projects/jfw/scrt

Chris

On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:33:21PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote:

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I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't bad with the simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the net until you try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I think we probably have to find a different way to edit files on the remote machine though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to work good.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" To: "Blind sysadmins list" Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that mess. TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with PUTTY.

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote:

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Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed

-----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr?n: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] F?r Steve Matzura Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 Till: Blind sysadmins list ?mne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, and found I have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the other system.

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote:

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Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, Secure CRT is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is very good though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including serial.

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On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:

Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a simple JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances which make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with it. Soon as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll probably ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something better, or something that can be changed in the script I have for it, I'm all about trying it.

TIA

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24 Aug 24 Aug

6:35 p.m.

Boy! They want your first-born and everything over there at van Dyke, don't they. On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:57:11 -0500, you wrote:

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I use Secure CRT and some very simple JAWS scripts for screen echo that I wrote and placed here:

http://chrisnestrud.com/projects/jfw/scrt

Chris

On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 07:33:21PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote:

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I think something broke after Jaws 12 or so. Teraterm wasn't bad with the simple modification I found on one of the Cavi archives on the net until you try to apply that to 13 and up, and it kind of falls apart. I think we probably have to find a different way to edit files on the remote machine though because we can't stay in Jaws 12 forever just for TT to work good.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Matzura" To: "Blind sysadmins list" Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

That's what I do with TT now. I'm trying to get away from that mess. TT often loses cursor track. I'm noticing the same thing with PUTTY.

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:26:46 +0000, you wrote:

...
Putty: use the jaws cursor to reed

-----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr?n: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] F?r Steve Matzura Skickat: den 17 augusti 2015 20:59 Till: Blind sysadmins list ?mne: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] TeraTerm

How much better is putty with JAWS than TeraTerm? I tried it, and found I have to read every line manuallly once I'm connected to the other system.

On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:33:50 +0000, you wrote:

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Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, Secure CRT is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is very good though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including serial.

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On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:

Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a simple JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances which make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with it. Soon as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll probably ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something better, or something that can be changed in the script I have for it, I'm all about trying it.

TIA

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17 Aug 17 Aug

7:26 p.m.

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Go ahead and check out putty or secure CRT. Putty is free, Secure CRT is $99ish and has a jaws script that works with it. Putty is very good though, supports ssh and lots of other protocols including serial.

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On Aug 17, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:

Is there a better solution for ssh-ing than this? There's a simple JAWS script I use with it, but it has quirks and annoyances which make me wonder sometimes how I get anything at all done with it. Soon as I get my Raspberry Pi set up as an ssh terminal, I'll probably ditch the whole TeraTerm thing, but if there's something better, or something that can be changed in the script I have for it, I'm all about trying it.

TIA

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