Doesn't work w/screenreaders, Scott. On 1/9/14, Scott Granados wrote:

What about Spinrite? WOuldn’t that possibly do the trick?

On Jan 9, 2014, at 11:33 AM, Chris Smart wrote:

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There are restoration services that will try to recover your data for you, but they aren't cheap.

Is your data more valuable monetarily than the cost of a new drive?

and, DON'T FORGET TO BACK UP REGULARLY next time.

At 08:52 AM 1/9/2014, you wrote:

...

hello dears

please, which program do the image for such unalocated disk to try to access it by data-back or another? another thing, am i find a software scan the disk to identify the problem for me? many thanks

On 1/9/14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

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Hi,

Yes, Vinux and most other Linux distributions will contain the DD command, although you will have to run this through the terminal as it doesn't have a gui.

Cheers, Ben.

On 1/9/14, Ibraam Wahib wrote:

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dear ben thanks for your care please, which program let me image it sector by sector as you mentioned another thing is vinux live cd contain dd app you told me about? sorry i've not background in such problems thanks

On 1/8/14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

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Hi,

I would suggest imaging it, sector by sector, to a known good 80GB or larger drive then using software like Get Data Back or rStudio to attempt to recover the files.

If you can boot into something like Vinux, dd should be able to handle the imaging, although if the drive has physical problems, bare in mind that attempting to access the drive may cause the problems to get worse, to the point where you will have to send it to a data recovery company if you require the data.

Cheers, Ben.

On 1/8/14, Ibraam Wahib wrote: > hello sirs > please, i've big problem hope i found one help me > > suddenly my hard disk at home stope working and i wasn't make > back-up > for my data > it gave me unalocated disk > don't know what's wrong, any solve for this problem? > what i shall use to identify the problem and how i get my data. > note: hard disk is 80 gb, c is ntfs, and the another partations > fat32, > hard disk is data caple. > wait your guide if you please > thanks > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >

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dears thanks for you i can't use vinux DD cause i not use linux os, not have any experiance with it. need to know which program able to make disk image by sector to try to recover data from this image instad of do this on hard-disk itself. data recovery in companies here in my country very very expensive, i just need some important file most of them documents and outlook express backup file. thanks On 1/9/14, Jackie McBride wrote:

Doesn't work w/screenreaders, Scott.

On 1/9/14, Scott Granados wrote:

...

What about Spinrite? WOuldn’t that possibly do the trick?

On Jan 9, 2014, at 11:33 AM, Chris Smart wrote:

...

There are restoration services that will try to recover your data for you, but they aren't cheap.

Is your data more valuable monetarily than the cost of a new drive?

and, DON'T FORGET TO BACK UP REGULARLY next time.

At 08:52 AM 1/9/2014, you wrote:

...

hello dears

please, which program do the image for such unalocated disk to try to access it by data-back or another? another thing, am i find a software scan the disk to identify the problem for me? many thanks

On 1/9/14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

...

Hi,

Yes, Vinux and most other Linux distributions will contain the DD command, although you will have to run this through the terminal as it doesn't have a gui.

Cheers, Ben.

On 1/9/14, Ibraam Wahib wrote:

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dear ben thanks for your care please, which program let me image it sector by sector as you mentioned another thing is vinux live cd contain dd app you told me about? sorry i've not background in such problems thanks

On 1/8/14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote: > Hi, > > I would suggest imaging it, sector by sector, to a known good 80GB > or > larger drive then using software like Get Data Back or rStudio to > attempt to recover the files. > > If you can boot into something like Vinux, dd should be able to > handle > the imaging, although if the drive has physical problems, bare in > mind > that attempting to access the drive may cause the problems to get > worse, to the point where you will have to send it to a data > recovery > company if you require the data. > > Cheers, > Ben. > > On 1/8/14, Ibraam Wahib wrote: >> hello sirs >> please, i've big problem hope i found one help me >> >> suddenly my hard disk at home stope working and i wasn't make >> back-up >> for my data >> it gave me unalocated disk >> don't know what's wrong, any solve for this problem? >> what i shall use to identify the problem and how i get my data. >> note: hard disk is 80 gb, c is ntfs, and the another partations >> fat32, >> hard disk is data caple. >> wait your guide if you please >> thanks >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >

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Hi, I haven't used it myself, but it looks like this http://sourceforge.net/projects/windd/ will do what you want. Assuming you have the drive connected as a slave or via USB and you are booting off another drive, theres no reason for you to boot to another operating system to do the image. If whilst imaging the drive starts to make strange noises, stop the image straight away and consider sending to a professional. There are some other solutions if this happens, but they require rather expensive software such as media tools pro which is inaccessible. Cheers, Ben. On 1/9/14, Katherine Moss wrote:

There's always Pocket Windows, guys, with a hard drive diagnostic tool running from it.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ibraam Wahib Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 1:38 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Weastern Hard disk problem

dears thanks for you

i can't use vinux DD cause i not use linux os, not have any experiance with it. need to know which program able to make disk image by sector to try to recover data from this image instad of do this on hard-disk itself. data recovery in companies here in my country very very expensive, i just need some important file most of them documents and outlook express backup file. thanks

On 1/9/14, Jackie McBride wrote:

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Doesn't work w/screenreaders, Scott.

On 1/9/14, Scott Granados wrote:

...

What about Spinrite? WOuldn’t that possibly do the trick?

On Jan 9, 2014, at 11:33 AM, Chris Smart wrote:

...

There are restoration services that will try to recover your data for you, but they aren't cheap.

Is your data more valuable monetarily than the cost of a new drive?

and, DON'T FORGET TO BACK UP REGULARLY next time.

At 08:52 AM 1/9/2014, you wrote:

...

hello dears

please, which program do the image for such unalocated disk to try to access it by data-back or another? another thing, am i find a software scan the disk to identify the problem for me? many thanks

On 1/9/14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

...

Hi,

Yes, Vinux and most other Linux distributions will contain the DD command, although you will have to run this through the terminal as it doesn't have a gui.

Cheers, Ben.

On 1/9/14, Ibraam Wahib wrote: > dear ben > thanks for your care > please, which program let me image it sector by sector as you > mentioned another thing is vinux live cd contain dd app you told > me about? > sorry i've not background in such problems thanks > > On 1/8/14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I would suggest imaging it, sector by sector, to a known good >> 80GB or larger drive then using software like Get Data Back or >> rStudio to attempt to recover the files. >> >> If you can boot into something like Vinux, dd should be able to >> handle the imaging, although if the drive has physical problems, >> bare in mind that attempting to access the drive may cause the >> problems to get worse, to the point where you will have to send >> it to a data recovery company if you require the data. >> >> Cheers, >> Ben. >> >> On 1/8/14, Ibraam Wahib wrote: >>> hello sirs >>> please, i've big problem hope i found one help me >>> >>> suddenly my hard disk at home stope working and i wasn't make >>> back-up for my data it gave me unalocated disk don't know >>> what's wrong, any solve for this problem? >>> what i shall use to identify the problem and how i get my data. >>> note: hard disk is 80 gb, c is ntfs, and the another partations >>> fat32, hard disk is data caple. >>> wait your guide if you please >>> thanks >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >

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There's always Pocket Windows, guys, with a hard drive diagnostic tool running from it. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ibraam Wahib Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 1:38 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Weastern Hard disk problem dears thanks for you i can't use vinux DD cause i not use linux os, not have any experiance with it. need to know which program able to make disk image by sector to try to recover data from this image instad of do this on hard-disk itself. data recovery in companies here in my country very very expensive, i just need some important file most of them documents and outlook express backup file. thanks On 1/9/14, Jackie McBride wrote:

Doesn't work w/screenreaders, Scott.

On 1/9/14, Scott Granados wrote:

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What about Spinrite? WOuldn’t that possibly do the trick?

On Jan 9, 2014, at 11:33 AM, Chris Smart wrote:

...

There are restoration services that will try to recover your data for you, but they aren't cheap.

Is your data more valuable monetarily than the cost of a new drive?

and, DON'T FORGET TO BACK UP REGULARLY next time.

At 08:52 AM 1/9/2014, you wrote:

...

hello dears

please, which program do the image for such unalocated disk to try to access it by data-back or another? another thing, am i find a software scan the disk to identify the problem for me? many thanks

On 1/9/14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

...

Hi,

Yes, Vinux and most other Linux distributions will contain the DD command, although you will have to run this through the terminal as it doesn't have a gui.

Cheers, Ben.

On 1/9/14, Ibraam Wahib wrote:

...

dear ben thanks for your care please, which program let me image it sector by sector as you mentioned another thing is vinux live cd contain dd app you told me about? sorry i've not background in such problems thanks

On 1/8/14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote: > Hi, > > I would suggest imaging it, sector by sector, to a known good > 80GB or larger drive then using software like Get Data Back or > rStudio to attempt to recover the files. > > If you can boot into something like Vinux, dd should be able to > handle the imaging, although if the drive has physical problems, > bare in mind that attempting to access the drive may cause the > problems to get worse, to the point where you will have to send > it to a data recovery company if you require the data. > > Cheers, > Ben. > > On 1/8/14, Ibraam Wahib wrote: >> hello sirs >> please, i've big problem hope i found one help me >> >> suddenly my hard disk at home stope working and i wasn't make >> back-up for my data it gave me unalocated disk don't know >> what's wrong, any solve for this problem? >> what i shall use to identify the problem and how i get my data. >> note: hard disk is 80 gb, c is ntfs, and the another partations >> fat32, hard disk is data caple. >> wait your guide if you please >> thanks >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >

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I have had spinrite kill drives that wer failing, pushed them beyond their limits causing them to hard fail. You get a utility that reads the data off the drive _once_ and try that first. dd is useful, dcfldd is better as it allows resume and retest of certain areas. Regards, Kerry. On 10/01/2014 12:38 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

What about Spinrite? WOuldn’t that possibly do the trick?

On Jan 9, 2014, at 11:33 AM, Chris Smart wrote:

...

There are restoration services that will try to recover your data for you, but they aren't cheap.

Is your data more valuable monetarily than the cost of a new drive?

and, DON'T FORGET TO BACK UP REGULARLY next time.

At 08:52 AM 1/9/2014, you wrote:

...

hello dears

please, which program do the image for such unalocated disk to try to access it by data-back or another? another thing, am i find a software scan the disk to identify the problem for me? many thanks

On 1/9/14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

...

Hi,

Yes, Vinux and most other Linux distributions will contain the DD command, although you will have to run this through the terminal as it doesn't have a gui.

Cheers, Ben.

On 1/9/14, Ibraam Wahib wrote:

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dear ben thanks for your care please, which program let me image it sector by sector as you mentioned another thing is vinux live cd contain dd app you told me about? sorry i've not background in such problems thanks

On 1/8/14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

...

Hi,

I would suggest imaging it, sector by sector, to a known good 80GB or larger drive then using software like Get Data Back or rStudio to attempt to recover the files.

If you can boot into something like Vinux, dd should be able to handle the imaging, although if the drive has physical problems, bare in mind that attempting to access the drive may cause the problems to get worse, to the point where you will have to send it to a data recovery company if you require the data.

Cheers, Ben.

On 1/8/14, Ibraam Wahib wrote:

> hello sirs > please, i've big problem hope i found one help me > > suddenly my hard disk at home stope working and i wasn't make back-up > for my data > it gave me unalocated disk > don't know what's wrong, any solve for this problem? > what i shall use to identify the problem and how i get my data. > note: hard disk is 80 gb, c is ntfs, and the another partations fat32, > hard disk is data caple. > wait your guide if you please > thanks > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > > _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins

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What even is Spinrite? I've heard of it, though I've never understood what it does or is supposed to do. I suspect it's some kind of diagnostic tool. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Kerry Hoath Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 7:00 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Weastern Hard disk problem I have had spinrite kill drives that wer failing, pushed them beyond their limits causing them to hard fail. You get a utility that reads the data off the drive _once_ and try that first. dd is useful, dcfldd is better as it allows resume and retest of certain areas. Regards, Kerry. On 10/01/2014 12:38 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

What about Spinrite? WOuldn't that possibly do the trick?

On Jan 9, 2014, at 11:33 AM, Chris Smart wrote:

...

There are restoration services that will try to recover your data for you, but they aren't cheap.

Is your data more valuable monetarily than the cost of a new drive?

and, DON'T FORGET TO BACK UP REGULARLY next time.

At 08:52 AM 1/9/2014, you wrote:

...

hello dears

please, which program do the image for such unalocated disk to try to access it by data-back or another? another thing, am i find a software scan the disk to identify the problem for me? many thanks

On 1/9/14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

...

Hi,

Yes, Vinux and most other Linux distributions will contain the DD command, although you will have to run this through the terminal as it doesn't have a gui.

Cheers, Ben.

On 1/9/14, Ibraam Wahib wrote:

...

dear ben thanks for your care please, which program let me image it sector by sector as you mentioned another thing is vinux live cd contain dd app you told me about? sorry i've not background in such problems thanks

On 1/8/14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

...

Hi,

I would suggest imaging it, sector by sector, to a known good 80GB or larger drive then using software like Get Data Back or rStudio to attempt to recover the files.

If you can boot into something like Vinux, dd should be able to handle the imaging, although if the drive has physical problems, bare in mind that attempting to access the drive may cause the problems to get worse, to the point where you will have to send it to a data recovery company if you require the data.

Cheers, Ben.

On 1/8/14, Ibraam Wahib wrote:

> hello sirs > please, i've big problem hope i found one help me > > suddenly my hard disk at home stope working and i wasn't make > back-up for my data it gave me unalocated disk don't know what's > wrong, any solve for this problem? > what i shall use to identify the problem and how i get my data. > note: hard disk is 80 gb, c is ntfs, and the another partations > fat32, hard disk is data caple. > wait your guide if you please > thanks > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > > _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins

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Hi, I have to agree with Kerry here; part of the problem with Spinrite is that people run it without really knowing that much about what could be wrong with the drive and as Kerry has said, what happens sometimes is a week head becomes a dead head, which turns the job from a potentially DIY type situation into something that will need professional help. Another problem with it is that it writes to the source drive, which is just a really stupid idea. Big newsflash here, but if you're drives not functioning correctly, you should be aiming to get as much data off it as possible and not to carry on using it as if nothing has happened. The only slightly good thing about it is its maintenance mode, although this really isn't worth paying for. All it does is 0 fill the drive so that any slow sectors are hopefully marked as bad & moved into the gList. You can do this with free software though; a couple of examples that spring to mind are MHDD (dos) or Western Digitals Data Lifeguard diagnostics which is a Windows program and works on all drives - not just WD's. If we put aside accessibility & cost constraints, the best software for imaging dead drives is media tools pro although it doesn't appear to be developed anymore. There are a few reasons why I would suggest this software: 1: You can clone in reverse. If you have for arguments sake 1GB of bads at the beginning of a drive, you can grab the rest of the drive at a good speed and then go back and try and read everything you couldn't previously. If you do manage to get anything extra, MTP automatically writes it to the destination drive in the right place. Additionally, even if you disregard all of the unimagable parts, you may already have all the data that you require using this approach. 2: MTP can control power to the drive. In some instances, a drive might respond well for a few hundred thousand LBA's for example but might then completely lock up. If the drive can be spun down / up automatically, whilst the image will take a *long* time to complete, it will take much less time than it would do if you were to manually control power to the drive. 3: MTP is generally more professional software. Steve Gibson is very clever, but I've always scene spinrite as more of a gimmick in comparison to other data recovery software. All you have to do is search for spinrite on a site like hddguru and you'll be able to read what the real professionals have to say about it. JMO of course. Cheers, Ben. On 1/9/14, Kerry Hoath wrote:

I have had spinrite kill drives that wer failing, pushed them beyond their limits causing them to hard fail.

You get a utility that reads the data off the drive _once_ and try that first.

dd is useful, dcfldd is better as it allows resume and retest of certain areas. Regards, Kerry.

On 10/01/2014 12:38 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

...

What about Spinrite? WOuldn’t that possibly do the trick?

On Jan 9, 2014, at 11:33 AM, Chris Smart wrote:

...

There are restoration services that will try to recover your data for you, but they aren't cheap.

Is your data more valuable monetarily than the cost of a new drive?

and, DON'T FORGET TO BACK UP REGULARLY next time.

At 08:52 AM 1/9/2014, you wrote:

...

hello dears

please, which program do the image for such unalocated disk to try to access it by data-back or another? another thing, am i find a software scan the disk to identify the problem for me? many thanks

On 1/9/14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

...

Hi,

Yes, Vinux and most other Linux distributions will contain the DD command, although you will have to run this through the terminal as it doesn't have a gui.

Cheers, Ben.

On 1/9/14, Ibraam Wahib wrote:

...

dear ben thanks for your care please, which program let me image it sector by sector as you mentioned another thing is vinux live cd contain dd app you told me about? sorry i've not background in such problems thanks

On 1/8/14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

> Hi, > > I would suggest imaging it, sector by sector, to a known good 80GB > or > larger drive then using software like Get Data Back or rStudio to > attempt to recover the files. > > If you can boot into something like Vinux, dd should be able to > handle > the imaging, although if the drive has physical problems, bare in > mind > that attempting to access the drive may cause the problems to get > worse, to the point where you will have to send it to a data > recovery > company if you require the data. > > Cheers, > Ben. > > On 1/8/14, Ibraam Wahib wrote: > >> hello sirs >> please, i've big problem hope i found one help me >> >> suddenly my hard disk at home stope working and i wasn't make >> back-up >> for my data >> it gave me unalocated disk >> don't know what's wrong, any solve for this problem? >> what i shall use to identify the problem and how i get my data. >> note: hard disk is 80 gb, c is ntfs, and the another partations >> fat32, >> hard disk is data caple. >> wait your guide if you please >> thanks >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > > _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins

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many thanks for your care i tried to use windows version of DD but i think it's not accessible, do you suggest accessible program let me make an image to this disk? and may find a software to scan this image to get data back from it. thanks On 1/10/14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

Hi,

This http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYSB7_QfaFc video is a good summary of what it does. Unfortunately, what Steve forgets to tell you is that in some situations, spinrite "begging" for the data actually causes the condition of the drive to worsen, which as I said in my last message will usually result in you needing pro help to get any of the data back.

Cheers, Ben.

On 1/9/14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

...

Hi,

I have to agree with Kerry here; part of the problem with Spinrite is that people run it without really knowing that much about what could be wrong with the drive and as Kerry has said, what happens sometimes is a week head becomes a dead head, which turns the job from a potentially DIY type situation into something that will need professional help.

Another problem with it is that it writes to the source drive, which is just a really stupid idea. Big newsflash here, but if you're drives not functioning correctly, you should be aiming to get as much data off it as possible and not to carry on using it as if nothing has happened.

The only slightly good thing about it is its maintenance mode, although this really isn't worth paying for. All it does is 0 fill the drive so that any slow sectors are hopefully marked as bad & moved into the gList. You can do this with free software though; a couple of examples that spring to mind are MHDD (dos) or Western Digitals Data Lifeguard diagnostics which is a Windows program and works on all drives - not just WD's.

If we put aside accessibility & cost constraints, the best software for imaging dead drives is media tools pro although it doesn't appear to be developed anymore. There are a few reasons why I would suggest this software:

1: You can clone in reverse. If you have for arguments sake 1GB of bads at the beginning of a drive, you can grab the rest of the drive at a good speed and then go back and try and read everything you couldn't previously. If you do manage to get anything extra, MTP automatically writes it to the destination drive in the right place. Additionally, even if you disregard all of the unimagable parts, you may already have all the data that you require using this approach. 2: MTP can control power to the drive. In some instances, a drive might respond well for a few hundred thousand LBA's for example but might then completely lock up. If the drive can be spun down / up automatically, whilst the image will take a *long* time to complete, it will take much less time than it would do if you were to manually control power to the drive. 3: MTP is generally more professional software. Steve Gibson is very clever, but I've always scene spinrite as more of a gimmick in comparison to other data recovery software. All you have to do is search for spinrite on a site like hddguru and you'll be able to read what the real professionals have to say about it.

JMO of course.

Cheers, Ben.

On 1/9/14, Kerry Hoath wrote:

...

I have had spinrite kill drives that wer failing, pushed them beyond their limits causing them to hard fail.

You get a utility that reads the data off the drive _once_ and try that first.

dd is useful, dcfldd is better as it allows resume and retest of certain areas. Regards, Kerry.

On 10/01/2014 12:38 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

...

What about Spinrite? WOuldn’t that possibly do the trick?

On Jan 9, 2014, at 11:33 AM, Chris Smart wrote:

...

There are restoration services that will try to recover your data for you, but they aren't cheap.

Is your data more valuable monetarily than the cost of a new drive?

and, DON'T FORGET TO BACK UP REGULARLY next time.

At 08:52 AM 1/9/2014, you wrote:

...

hello dears

please, which program do the image for such unalocated disk to try to access it by data-back or another? another thing, am i find a software scan the disk to identify the problem for me? many thanks

On 1/9/14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

> Hi, > > Yes, Vinux and most other Linux distributions will contain the DD > command, although you will have to run this through the terminal as > it > doesn't have a gui. > > Cheers, > Ben. > > On 1/9/14, Ibraam Wahib wrote: > >> dear ben >> thanks for your care >> please, which program let me image it sector by sector as you >> mentioned >> another thing is vinux live cd contain dd app you told me about? >> sorry i've not background in such problems >> thanks >> >> On 1/8/14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I would suggest imaging it, sector by sector, to a known good 80GB >>> or >>> larger drive then using software like Get Data Back or rStudio to >>> attempt to recover the files. >>> >>> If you can boot into something like Vinux, dd should be able to >>> handle >>> the imaging, although if the drive has physical problems, bare in >>> mind >>> that attempting to access the drive may cause the problems to get >>> worse, to the point where you will have to send it to a data >>> recovery >>> company if you require the data. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Ben. >>> >>> On 1/8/14, Ibraam Wahib wrote: >>> >>>> hello sirs >>>> please, i've big problem hope i found one help me >>>> >>>> suddenly my hard disk at home stope working and i wasn't make >>>> back-up >>>> for my data >>>> it gave me unalocated disk >>>> don't know what's wrong, any solve for this problem? >>>> what i shall use to identify the problem and how i get my data. >>>> note: hard disk is 80 gb, c is ntfs, and the another partations >>>> fat32, >>>> hard disk is data caple. >>>> wait your guide if you please >>>> thanks >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > > _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins

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Now, you guys keep talking about needing professional help at certain points where a drive is dead. What's so professional about it that us smarties can't learn how to handle it ourselves? We're all professionals anyway on this list, aren't we? -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ibraam Wahib Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 12:02 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Weastern Hard disk problem many thanks for your care i tried to use windows version of DD but i think it's not accessible, do you suggest accessible program let me make an image to this disk? and may find a software to scan this image to get data back from it. thanks On 1/10/14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

Hi,

This http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYSB7_QfaFc video is a good summary of what it does. Unfortunately, what Steve forgets to tell you is that in some situations, spinrite "begging" for the data actually causes the condition of the drive to worsen, which as I said in my last message will usually result in you needing pro help to get any of the data back.

Cheers, Ben.

On 1/9/14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

...

Hi,

I have to agree with Kerry here; part of the problem with Spinrite is that people run it without really knowing that much about what could be wrong with the drive and as Kerry has said, what happens sometimes is a week head becomes a dead head, which turns the job from a potentially DIY type situation into something that will need professional help.

Another problem with it is that it writes to the source drive, which is just a really stupid idea. Big newsflash here, but if you're drives not functioning correctly, you should be aiming to get as much data off it as possible and not to carry on using it as if nothing has happened.

The only slightly good thing about it is its maintenance mode, although this really isn't worth paying for. All it does is 0 fill the drive so that any slow sectors are hopefully marked as bad & moved into the gList. You can do this with free software though; a couple of examples that spring to mind are MHDD (dos) or Western Digitals Data Lifeguard diagnostics which is a Windows program and works on all drives - not just WD's.

If we put aside accessibility & cost constraints, the best software for imaging dead drives is media tools pro although it doesn't appear to be developed anymore. There are a few reasons why I would suggest this software:

1: You can clone in reverse. If you have for arguments sake 1GB of bads at the beginning of a drive, you can grab the rest of the drive at a good speed and then go back and try and read everything you couldn't previously. If you do manage to get anything extra, MTP automatically writes it to the destination drive in the right place. Additionally, even if you disregard all of the unimagable parts, you may already have all the data that you require using this approach. 2: MTP can control power to the drive. In some instances, a drive might respond well for a few hundred thousand LBA's for example but might then completely lock up. If the drive can be spun down / up automatically, whilst the image will take a *long* time to complete, it will take much less time than it would do if you were to manually control power to the drive. 3: MTP is generally more professional software. Steve Gibson is very clever, but I've always scene spinrite as more of a gimmick in comparison to other data recovery software. All you have to do is search for spinrite on a site like hddguru and you'll be able to read what the real professionals have to say about it.

JMO of course.

Cheers, Ben.

On 1/9/14, Kerry Hoath wrote:

...

I have had spinrite kill drives that wer failing, pushed them beyond their limits causing them to hard fail.

You get a utility that reads the data off the drive _once_ and try that first.

dd is useful, dcfldd is better as it allows resume and retest of certain areas. Regards, Kerry.

On 10/01/2014 12:38 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

...

What about Spinrite? WOuldn’t that possibly do the trick?

On Jan 9, 2014, at 11:33 AM, Chris Smart wrote:

...

There are restoration services that will try to recover your data for you, but they aren't cheap.

Is your data more valuable monetarily than the cost of a new drive?

and, DON'T FORGET TO BACK UP REGULARLY next time.

At 08:52 AM 1/9/2014, you wrote:

...

hello dears

please, which program do the image for such unalocated disk to try to access it by data-back or another? another thing, am i find a software scan the disk to identify the problem for me? many thanks

On 1/9/14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

> Hi, > > Yes, Vinux and most other Linux distributions will contain the > DD command, although you will have to run this through the > terminal as it doesn't have a gui. > > Cheers, > Ben. > > On 1/9/14, Ibraam Wahib wrote: > >> dear ben >> thanks for your care >> please, which program let me image it sector by sector as you >> mentioned another thing is vinux live cd contain dd app you >> told me about? >> sorry i've not background in such problems >> thanks >> >> On 1/8/14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I would suggest imaging it, sector by sector, to a known good >>> 80GB or larger drive then using software like Get Data Back or >>> rStudio to attempt to recover the files. >>> >>> If you can boot into something like Vinux, dd should be able >>> to handle the imaging, although if the drive has physical >>> problems, bare in mind that attempting to access the drive may >>> cause the problems to get worse, to the point where you will >>> have to send it to a data recovery company if you require the >>> data. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Ben. >>> >>> On 1/8/14, Ibraam Wahib wrote: >>> >>>> hello sirs >>>> please, i've big problem hope i found one help me >>>> >>>> suddenly my hard disk at home stope working and i wasn't make >>>> back-up for my data it gave me unalocated disk don't know >>>> what's wrong, any solve for this problem? >>>> what i shall use to identify the problem and how i get my data. >>>> note: hard disk is 80 gb, c is ntfs, and the another >>>> partations fat32, hard disk is data caple. >>>> wait your guide if you please >>>> thanks >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > > _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins

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Hi, It works well using Supernova, but having just read the documentation, it looks like it only images partitions, where as we're wanting something that images the entire drive. You could try this http://odin-win.sourceforge.net/ program, but again, I haven't tried it myself. If the GUI is inaccessible use it via the command line. Without meaning to cause offence, in the time that it has taken for us to suggest software and for you to try it, you could have read a few DD tutorials, booted into Vinux and tested out the command a few times before running it on the actual drive. Never the less, let us know how the above software works out for you. Cheers, Ben. On 1/10/14, Katherine Moss wrote:

Now, you guys keep talking about needing professional help at certain points where a drive is dead. What's so professional about it that us smarties can't learn how to handle it ourselves? We're all professionals anyway on this list, aren't we?

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ibraam Wahib Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 12:02 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Weastern Hard disk problem

many thanks for your care i tried to use windows version of DD but i think it's not accessible, do you suggest accessible program let me make an image to this disk? and may find a software to scan this image to get data back from it. thanks

On 1/10/14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

...

Hi,

This http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYSB7_QfaFc video is a good summary of what it does. Unfortunately, what Steve forgets to tell you is that in some situations, spinrite "begging" for the data actually causes the condition of the drive to worsen, which as I said in my last message will usually result in you needing pro help to get any of the data back.

Cheers, Ben.

On 1/9/14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

...

Hi,

I have to agree with Kerry here; part of the problem with Spinrite is that people run it without really knowing that much about what could be wrong with the drive and as Kerry has said, what happens sometimes is a week head becomes a dead head, which turns the job from a potentially DIY type situation into something that will need professional help.

Another problem with it is that it writes to the source drive, which is just a really stupid idea. Big newsflash here, but if you're drives not functioning correctly, you should be aiming to get as much data off it as possible and not to carry on using it as if nothing has happened.

The only slightly good thing about it is its maintenance mode, although this really isn't worth paying for. All it does is 0 fill the drive so that any slow sectors are hopefully marked as bad & moved into the gList. You can do this with free software though; a couple of examples that spring to mind are MHDD (dos) or Western Digitals Data Lifeguard diagnostics which is a Windows program and works on all drives - not just WD's.

If we put aside accessibility & cost constraints, the best software for imaging dead drives is media tools pro although it doesn't appear to be developed anymore. There are a few reasons why I would suggest this software:

1: You can clone in reverse. If you have for arguments sake 1GB of bads at the beginning of a drive, you can grab the rest of the drive at a good speed and then go back and try and read everything you couldn't previously. If you do manage to get anything extra, MTP automatically writes it to the destination drive in the right place. Additionally, even if you disregard all of the unimagable parts, you may already have all the data that you require using this approach. 2: MTP can control power to the drive. In some instances, a drive might respond well for a few hundred thousand LBA's for example but might then completely lock up. If the drive can be spun down / up automatically, whilst the image will take a *long* time to complete, it will take much less time than it would do if you were to manually control power to the drive. 3: MTP is generally more professional software. Steve Gibson is very clever, but I've always scene spinrite as more of a gimmick in comparison to other data recovery software. All you have to do is search for spinrite on a site like hddguru and you'll be able to read what the real professionals have to say about it.

JMO of course.

Cheers, Ben.

On 1/9/14, Kerry Hoath wrote:

...

I have had spinrite kill drives that wer failing, pushed them beyond their limits causing them to hard fail.

You get a utility that reads the data off the drive _once_ and try that first.

dd is useful, dcfldd is better as it allows resume and retest of certain areas. Regards, Kerry.

On 10/01/2014 12:38 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

...

What about Spinrite? WOuldn’t that possibly do the trick?

On Jan 9, 2014, at 11:33 AM, Chris Smart wrote:

...

There are restoration services that will try to recover your data for you, but they aren't cheap.

Is your data more valuable monetarily than the cost of a new drive?

and, DON'T FORGET TO BACK UP REGULARLY next time.

At 08:52 AM 1/9/2014, you wrote:

> hello dears > > please, which program do the image for such unalocated disk to > try to access it by data-back or another? > another thing, am i find a software scan the disk to identify the > problem for me? > many thanks > > On 1/9/14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Yes, Vinux and most other Linux distributions will contain the >> DD command, although you will have to run this through the >> terminal as it doesn't have a gui. >> >> Cheers, >> Ben. >> >> On 1/9/14, Ibraam Wahib wrote: >> >>> dear ben >>> thanks for your care >>> please, which program let me image it sector by sector as you >>> mentioned another thing is vinux live cd contain dd app you >>> told me about? >>> sorry i've not background in such problems >>> thanks >>> >>> On 1/8/14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I would suggest imaging it, sector by sector, to a known good >>>> 80GB or larger drive then using software like Get Data Back or >>>> rStudio to attempt to recover the files. >>>> >>>> If you can boot into something like Vinux, dd should be able >>>> to handle the imaging, although if the drive has physical >>>> problems, bare in mind that attempting to access the drive may >>>> cause the problems to get worse, to the point where you will >>>> have to send it to a data recovery company if you require the >>>> data. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Ben. >>>> >>>> On 1/8/14, Ibraam Wahib wrote: >>>> >>>>> hello sirs >>>>> please, i've big problem hope i found one help me >>>>> >>>>> suddenly my hard disk at home stope working and i wasn't make >>>>> back-up for my data it gave me unalocated disk don't know >>>>> what's wrong, any solve for this problem? >>>>> what i shall use to identify the problem and how i get my data. >>>>> note: hard disk is 80 gb, c is ntfs, and the another >>>>> partations fat32, hard disk is data caple. >>>>> wait your guide if you please >>>>> thanks >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >

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Seriously? Catherine, a quick google of data recovery techniques will show u that there is equipment these people employ, such as clean room technologies, that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. 1 dust particle in the head of a hard drive can cause things to literally grind to a halt. We may all be professionals here, but none of us are likely worth that kind of money. It's for that reason they charge those sorts of prices, & clean-room technology is just 1 example. On 1/10/14, Katherine Moss wrote:

Now, you guys keep talking about needing professional help at certain points where a drive is dead. What's so professional about it that us smarties can't learn how to handle it ourselves? We're all professionals anyway on this list, aren't we?

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ibraam Wahib Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 12:02 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Weastern Hard disk problem

many thanks for your care i tried to use windows version of DD but i think it's not accessible, do you suggest accessible program let me make an image to this disk? and may find a software to scan this image to get data back from it. thanks

On 1/10/14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

...

Hi,

This http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYSB7_QfaFc video is a good summary of what it does. Unfortunately, what Steve forgets to tell you is that in some situations, spinrite "begging" for the data actually causes the condition of the drive to worsen, which as I said in my last message will usually result in you needing pro help to get any of the data back.

Cheers, Ben.

On 1/9/14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

...

Hi,

I have to agree with Kerry here; part of the problem with Spinrite is that people run it without really knowing that much about what could be wrong with the drive and as Kerry has said, what happens sometimes is a week head becomes a dead head, which turns the job from a potentially DIY type situation into something that will need professional help.

Another problem with it is that it writes to the source drive, which is just a really stupid idea. Big newsflash here, but if you're drives not functioning correctly, you should be aiming to get as much data off it as possible and not to carry on using it as if nothing has happened.

The only slightly good thing about it is its maintenance mode, although this really isn't worth paying for. All it does is 0 fill the drive so that any slow sectors are hopefully marked as bad & moved into the gList. You can do this with free software though; a couple of examples that spring to mind are MHDD (dos) or Western Digitals Data Lifeguard diagnostics which is a Windows program and works on all drives - not just WD's.

If we put aside accessibility & cost constraints, the best software for imaging dead drives is media tools pro although it doesn't appear to be developed anymore. There are a few reasons why I would suggest this software:

1: You can clone in reverse. If you have for arguments sake 1GB of bads at the beginning of a drive, you can grab the rest of the drive at a good speed and then go back and try and read everything you couldn't previously. If you do manage to get anything extra, MTP automatically writes it to the destination drive in the right place. Additionally, even if you disregard all of the unimagable parts, you may already have all the data that you require using this approach. 2: MTP can control power to the drive. In some instances, a drive might respond well for a few hundred thousand LBA's for example but might then completely lock up. If the drive can be spun down / up automatically, whilst the image will take a *long* time to complete, it will take much less time than it would do if you were to manually control power to the drive. 3: MTP is generally more professional software. Steve Gibson is very clever, but I've always scene spinrite as more of a gimmick in comparison to other data recovery software. All you have to do is search for spinrite on a site like hddguru and you'll be able to read what the real professionals have to say about it.

JMO of course.

Cheers, Ben.

On 1/9/14, Kerry Hoath wrote:

...

I have had spinrite kill drives that wer failing, pushed them beyond their limits causing them to hard fail.

You get a utility that reads the data off the drive _once_ and try that first.

dd is useful, dcfldd is better as it allows resume and retest of certain areas. Regards, Kerry.

On 10/01/2014 12:38 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

...

What about Spinrite? WOuldn’t that possibly do the trick?

On Jan 9, 2014, at 11:33 AM, Chris Smart wrote:

...

There are restoration services that will try to recover your data for you, but they aren't cheap.

Is your data more valuable monetarily than the cost of a new drive?

and, DON'T FORGET TO BACK UP REGULARLY next time.

At 08:52 AM 1/9/2014, you wrote:

> hello dears > > please, which program do the image for such unalocated disk to > try to access it by data-back or another? > another thing, am i find a software scan the disk to identify the > problem for me? > many thanks > > On 1/9/14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Yes, Vinux and most other Linux distributions will contain the >> DD command, although you will have to run this through the >> terminal as it doesn't have a gui. >> >> Cheers, >> Ben. >> >> On 1/9/14, Ibraam Wahib wrote: >> >>> dear ben >>> thanks for your care >>> please, which program let me image it sector by sector as you >>> mentioned another thing is vinux live cd contain dd app you >>> told me about? >>> sorry i've not background in such problems >>> thanks >>> >>> On 1/8/14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I would suggest imaging it, sector by sector, to a known good >>>> 80GB or larger drive then using software like Get Data Back or >>>> rStudio to attempt to recover the files. >>>> >>>> If you can boot into something like Vinux, dd should be able >>>> to handle the imaging, although if the drive has physical >>>> problems, bare in mind that attempting to access the drive may >>>> cause the problems to get worse, to the point where you will >>>> have to send it to a data recovery company if you require the >>>> data. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Ben. >>>> >>>> On 1/8/14, Ibraam Wahib wrote: >>>> >>>>> hello sirs >>>>> please, i've big problem hope i found one help me >>>>> >>>>> suddenly my hard disk at home stope working and i wasn't make >>>>> back-up for my data it gave me unalocated disk don't know >>>>> what's wrong, any solve for this problem? >>>>> what i shall use to identify the problem and how i get my data. >>>>> note: hard disk is 80 gb, c is ntfs, and the another >>>>> partations fat32, hard disk is data caple. >>>>> wait your guide if you please >>>>> thanks >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >

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Even if the head is bad, if the drive is not under warranty, they won't help. Even if it is, I think they'll likely only replace the drive, not recover the data. I could be wrong, however. On 1/12/14, Ibraam Wahib wrote:

hello friends i know that hard-disk head is wake so i think the company will move data for me on another hard after this i can try software on it for learning only. but is electric cut could be a reason for head wakeness? many thanks to all of you for your care and help

On 1/10/14, Jackie McBride wrote:

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Seriously? Catherine, a quick google of data recovery techniques will show u that there is equipment these people employ, such as clean room technologies, that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. 1 dust particle in the head of a hard drive can cause things to literally grind to a halt. We may all be professionals here, but none of us are likely worth that kind of money. It's for that reason they charge those sorts of prices, & clean-room technology is just 1 example.

On 1/10/14, Katherine Moss wrote:

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Now, you guys keep talking about needing professional help at certain points where a drive is dead. What's so professional about it that us smarties can't learn how to handle it ourselves? We're all professionals anyway on this list, aren't we?

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ibraam Wahib Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 12:02 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Weastern Hard disk problem

many thanks for your care i tried to use windows version of DD but i think it's not accessible, do you suggest accessible program let me make an image to this disk? and may find a software to scan this image to get data back from it. thanks

On 1/10/14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

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Hi,

This http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYSB7_QfaFc video is a good summary of what it does. Unfortunately, what Steve forgets to tell you is that in some situations, spinrite "begging" for the data actually causes the condition of the drive to worsen, which as I said in my last message will usually result in you needing pro help to get any of the data back.

Cheers, Ben.

On 1/9/14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

...

Hi,

I have to agree with Kerry here; part of the problem with Spinrite is that people run it without really knowing that much about what could be wrong with the drive and as Kerry has said, what happens sometimes is a week head becomes a dead head, which turns the job from a potentially DIY type situation into something that will need professional help.

Another problem with it is that it writes to the source drive, which is just a really stupid idea. Big newsflash here, but if you're drives not functioning correctly, you should be aiming to get as much data off it as possible and not to carry on using it as if nothing has happened.

The only slightly good thing about it is its maintenance mode, although this really isn't worth paying for. All it does is 0 fill the drive so that any slow sectors are hopefully marked as bad & moved into the gList. You can do this with free software though; a couple of examples that spring to mind are MHDD (dos) or Western Digitals Data Lifeguard diagnostics which is a Windows program and works on all drives - not just WD's.

If we put aside accessibility & cost constraints, the best software for imaging dead drives is media tools pro although it doesn't appear to be developed anymore. There are a few reasons why I would suggest this software:

1: You can clone in reverse. If you have for arguments sake 1GB of bads at the beginning of a drive, you can grab the rest of the drive at a good speed and then go back and try and read everything you couldn't previously. If you do manage to get anything extra, MTP automatically writes it to the destination drive in the right place. Additionally, even if you disregard all of the unimagable parts, you may already have all the data that you require using this approach. 2: MTP can control power to the drive. In some instances, a drive might respond well for a few hundred thousand LBA's for example but might then completely lock up. If the drive can be spun down / up automatically, whilst the image will take a *long* time to complete, it will take much less time than it would do if you were to manually control power to the drive. 3: MTP is generally more professional software. Steve Gibson is very clever, but I've always scene spinrite as more of a gimmick in comparison to other data recovery software. All you have to do is search for spinrite on a site like hddguru and you'll be able to read what the real professionals have to say about it.

JMO of course.

Cheers, Ben.

On 1/9/14, Kerry Hoath wrote:

...

I have had spinrite kill drives that wer failing, pushed them beyond their limits causing them to hard fail.

You get a utility that reads the data off the drive _once_ and try that first.

dd is useful, dcfldd is better as it allows resume and retest of certain areas. Regards, Kerry.

On 10/01/2014 12:38 AM, Scott Granados wrote: > What about Spinrite? WOuldn’t that possibly do the trick? > > On Jan 9, 2014, at 11:33 AM, Chris Smart wrote: > > >> There are restoration services that will try to recover your data >> for you, but they aren't cheap. >> >> Is your data more valuable monetarily than the cost of a new drive? >> >> and, DON'T FORGET TO BACK UP REGULARLY next time. >> >> At 08:52 AM 1/9/2014, you wrote: >> >>> hello dears >>> >>> please, which program do the image for such unalocated disk to >>> try to access it by data-back or another? >>> another thing, am i find a software scan the disk to identify the >>> problem for me? >>> many thanks >>> >>> On 1/9/14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Yes, Vinux and most other Linux distributions will contain the >>>> DD command, although you will have to run this through the >>>> terminal as it doesn't have a gui. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Ben. >>>> >>>> On 1/9/14, Ibraam Wahib wrote: >>>> >>>>> dear ben >>>>> thanks for your care >>>>> please, which program let me image it sector by sector as you >>>>> mentioned another thing is vinux live cd contain dd app you >>>>> told me about? >>>>> sorry i've not background in such problems >>>>> thanks >>>>> >>>>> On 1/8/14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> I would suggest imaging it, sector by sector, to a known good >>>>>> 80GB or larger drive then using software like Get Data Back or >>>>>> rStudio to attempt to recover the files. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you can boot into something like Vinux, dd should be able >>>>>> to handle the imaging, although if the drive has physical >>>>>> problems, bare in mind that attempting to access the drive may >>>>>> cause the problems to get worse, to the point where you will >>>>>> have to send it to a data recovery company if you require the >>>>>> data. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Ben. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 1/8/14, Ibraam Wahib wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> hello sirs >>>>>>> please, i've big problem hope i found one help me >>>>>>> >>>>>>> suddenly my hard disk at home stope working and i wasn't make >>>>>>> back-up for my data it gave me unalocated disk don't know >>>>>>> what's wrong, any solve for this problem? >>>>>>> what i shall use to identify the problem and how i get my data. >>>>>>> note: hard disk is 80 gb, c is ntfs, and the another >>>>>>> partations fat32, hard disk is data caple. >>>>>>> wait your guide if you please >>>>>>> thanks >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >

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Hi, I'm not completely sure what you mean by "wake", perhaps this means good or working? Whilst you may think that the head/s are working, until the drive is imaged you do not know if this is the case or not. If the drive is under warranty (which it almost certainly won't be if its an 80GB), all WD will do is send you a refurbished drive; they will not recover your data. In fact, they will go to great lengths to distroy it, so if you require the data, sending the drive to Western Digital is not a good idea. I'm more than happy to help you try and recover your data, but if you are unable to / don't want to try any of my suggestions I think it would be best if I let you experiment on your own. To recap, you need to image the drive sector by sector to another working drive. Once this is done, we can attempt to extract some files. On the offchance that you're in the UK or if you don't mind posting the drive to the UK I can take care of this for a very small fee. If not, as per above, I'm more than happy to carry on helping you over email for free if you are able to image the drive. Cheers, Ben. On 1/12/14, Jackie McBride wrote:

Even if the head is bad, if the drive is not under warranty, they won't help. Even if it is, I think they'll likely only replace the drive, not recover the data. I could be wrong, however.

On 1/12/14, Ibraam Wahib wrote:

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hello friends i know that hard-disk head is wake so i think the company will move data for me on another hard after this i can try software on it for learning only. but is electric cut could be a reason for head wakeness? many thanks to all of you for your care and help

On 1/10/14, Jackie McBride wrote:

...

Seriously? Catherine, a quick google of data recovery techniques will show u that there is equipment these people employ, such as clean room technologies, that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. 1 dust particle in the head of a hard drive can cause things to literally grind to a halt. We may all be professionals here, but none of us are likely worth that kind of money. It's for that reason they charge those sorts of prices, & clean-room technology is just 1 example.

On 1/10/14, Katherine Moss wrote:

...

Now, you guys keep talking about needing professional help at certain points where a drive is dead. What's so professional about it that us smarties can't learn how to handle it ourselves? We're all professionals anyway on this list, aren't we?

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ibraam Wahib Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 12:02 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Weastern Hard disk problem

many thanks for your care i tried to use windows version of DD but i think it's not accessible, do you suggest accessible program let me make an image to this disk? and may find a software to scan this image to get data back from it. thanks

On 1/10/14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

...

Hi,

This http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYSB7_QfaFc video is a good summary of what it does. Unfortunately, what Steve forgets to tell you is that in some situations, spinrite "begging" for the data actually causes the condition of the drive to worsen, which as I said in my last message will usually result in you needing pro help to get any of the data back.

Cheers, Ben.

On 1/9/14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

...

Hi,

I have to agree with Kerry here; part of the problem with Spinrite is that people run it without really knowing that much about what could be wrong with the drive and as Kerry has said, what happens sometimes is a week head becomes a dead head, which turns the job from a potentially DIY type situation into something that will need professional help.

Another problem with it is that it writes to the source drive, which is just a really stupid idea. Big newsflash here, but if you're drives not functioning correctly, you should be aiming to get as much data off it as possible and not to carry on using it as if nothing has happened.

The only slightly good thing about it is its maintenance mode, although this really isn't worth paying for. All it does is 0 fill the drive so that any slow sectors are hopefully marked as bad & moved into the gList. You can do this with free software though; a couple of examples that spring to mind are MHDD (dos) or Western Digitals Data Lifeguard diagnostics which is a Windows program and works on all drives - not just WD's.

If we put aside accessibility & cost constraints, the best software for imaging dead drives is media tools pro although it doesn't appear to be developed anymore. There are a few reasons why I would suggest this software:

1: You can clone in reverse. If you have for arguments sake 1GB of bads at the beginning of a drive, you can grab the rest of the drive at a good speed and then go back and try and read everything you couldn't previously. If you do manage to get anything extra, MTP automatically writes it to the destination drive in the right place. Additionally, even if you disregard all of the unimagable parts, you may already have all the data that you require using this approach. 2: MTP can control power to the drive. In some instances, a drive might respond well for a few hundred thousand LBA's for example but might then completely lock up. If the drive can be spun down / up automatically, whilst the image will take a *long* time to complete, it will take much less time than it would do if you were to manually control power to the drive. 3: MTP is generally more professional software. Steve Gibson is very clever, but I've always scene spinrite as more of a gimmick in comparison to other data recovery software. All you have to do is search for spinrite on a site like hddguru and you'll be able to read what the real professionals have to say about it.

JMO of course.

Cheers, Ben.

On 1/9/14, Kerry Hoath wrote: > > I have had spinrite kill drives that wer failing, pushed them beyond > their limits causing them to hard fail. > > You get a utility that reads the data off the drive _once_ and try > that first. > > dd is useful, dcfldd is better as it allows resume and retest of > certain areas. > Regards, Kerry. > > On 10/01/2014 12:38 AM, Scott Granados wrote: >> What about Spinrite? WOuldn’t that possibly do the trick? >> >> On Jan 9, 2014, at 11:33 AM, Chris Smart wrote: >> >> >>> There are restoration services that will try to recover your data >>> for you, but they aren't cheap. >>> >>> Is your data more valuable monetarily than the cost of a new >>> drive? >>> >>> and, DON'T FORGET TO BACK UP REGULARLY next time. >>> >>> At 08:52 AM 1/9/2014, you wrote: >>> >>>> hello dears >>>> >>>> please, which program do the image for such unalocated disk to >>>> try to access it by data-back or another? >>>> another thing, am i find a software scan the disk to identify the >>>> problem for me? >>>> many thanks >>>> >>>> On 1/9/14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> Yes, Vinux and most other Linux distributions will contain the >>>>> DD command, although you will have to run this through the >>>>> terminal as it doesn't have a gui. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Ben. >>>>> >>>>> On 1/9/14, Ibraam Wahib wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> dear ben >>>>>> thanks for your care >>>>>> please, which program let me image it sector by sector as you >>>>>> mentioned another thing is vinux live cd contain dd app you >>>>>> told me about? >>>>>> sorry i've not background in such problems >>>>>> thanks >>>>>> >>>>>> On 1/8/14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would suggest imaging it, sector by sector, to a known good >>>>>>> 80GB or larger drive then using software like Get Data Back or >>>>>>> rStudio to attempt to recover the files. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you can boot into something like Vinux, dd should be able >>>>>>> to handle the imaging, although if the drive has physical >>>>>>> problems, bare in mind that attempting to access the drive may >>>>>>> cause the problems to get worse, to the point where you will >>>>>>> have to send it to a data recovery company if you require the >>>>>>> data. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> Ben. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 1/8/14, Ibraam Wahib wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> hello sirs >>>>>>>> please, i've big problem hope i found one help me >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> suddenly my hard disk at home stope working and i wasn't make >>>>>>>> back-up for my data it gave me unalocated disk don't know >>>>>>>> what's wrong, any solve for this problem? >>>>>>>> what i shall use to identify the problem and how i get my >>>>>>>> data. >>>>>>>> note: hard disk is 80 gb, c is ntfs, and the another >>>>>>>> partations fat32, hard disk is data caple. >>>>>>>> wait your guide if you please >>>>>>>> thanks >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>>> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >

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Hi, When you say the head is wake does that mean the drive is spinning up? As has been said originally to get the best chance to recover the data it is best to image the drive using tools such as DD to another disk. This way if you damage the drive by either physical damage or by another recover tool you have something else to work with. Also a timeline of events would be good - i.e, what happened immediately (if anything) before the issue, etc. It may be as simple as running a partition undelete tool, or as complex as running a sector based recovery tool on the drive. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ibraam Wahib Sent: 12 January 2014 23:36 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Weastern Hard disk problem hello friends i know that hard-disk head is wake so i think the company will move data for me on another hard after this i can try software on it for learning only. but is electric cut could be a reason for head wakeness? many thanks to all of you for your care and help On 1/10/14, Jackie McBride wrote:

Seriously? Catherine, a quick google of data recovery techniques will show u that there is equipment these people employ, such as clean room technologies, that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. 1 dust particle in the head of a hard drive can cause things to literally grind to a halt. We may all be professionals here, but none of us are likely worth that kind of money. It's for that reason they charge those sorts of prices, & clean-room technology is just 1 example.

On 1/10/14, Katherine Moss wrote:

...

Now, you guys keep talking about needing professional help at certain points where a drive is dead. What's so professional about it that us smarties can't learn how to handle it ourselves? We're all professionals anyway on this list, aren't we?

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ibraam Wahib Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 12:02 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Weastern Hard disk problem

many thanks for your care i tried to use windows version of DD but i think it's not accessible, do you suggest accessible program let me make an image to this disk? and may find a software to scan this image to get data back from it. thanks

On 1/10/14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

...

Hi,

This http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYSB7_QfaFc video is a good summary of what it does. Unfortunately, what Steve forgets to tell you is that in some situations, spinrite "begging" for the data actually causes the condition of the drive to worsen, which as I said in my last message will usually result in you needing pro help to get any of the data back.

Cheers, Ben.

On 1/9/14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

...

Hi,

I have to agree with Kerry here; part of the problem with Spinrite is that people run it without really knowing that much about what could be wrong with the drive and as Kerry has said, what happens sometimes is a week head becomes a dead head, which turns the job from a potentially DIY type situation into something that will need professional help.

Another problem with it is that it writes to the source drive, which is just a really stupid idea. Big newsflash here, but if you're drives not functioning correctly, you should be aiming to get as much data off it as possible and not to carry on using it as if nothing has happened.

The only slightly good thing about it is its maintenance mode, although this really isn't worth paying for. All it does is 0 fill the drive so that any slow sectors are hopefully marked as bad & moved into the gList. You can do this with free software though; a couple of examples that spring to mind are MHDD (dos) or Western Digitals Data Lifeguard diagnostics which is a Windows program and works on all drives - not just WD's.

If we put aside accessibility & cost constraints, the best software for imaging dead drives is media tools pro although it doesn't appear to be developed anymore. There are a few reasons why I would suggest this software:

1: You can clone in reverse. If you have for arguments sake 1GB of bads at the beginning of a drive, you can grab the rest of the drive at a good speed and then go back and try and read everything you couldn't previously. If you do manage to get anything extra, MTP automatically writes it to the destination drive in the right place. Additionally, even if you disregard all of the unimagable parts, you may already have all the data that you require using this approach. 2: MTP can control power to the drive. In some instances, a drive might respond well for a few hundred thousand LBA's for example but might then completely lock up. If the drive can be spun down / up automatically, whilst the image will take a *long* time to complete, it will take much less time than it would do if you were to manually control power to the drive. 3: MTP is generally more professional software. Steve Gibson is very clever, but I've always scene spinrite as more of a gimmick in comparison to other data recovery software. All you have to do is search for spinrite on a site like hddguru and you'll be able to read what the real professionals have to say about it.

JMO of course.

Cheers, Ben.

On 1/9/14, Kerry Hoath wrote:

...

I have had spinrite kill drives that wer failing, pushed them beyond their limits causing them to hard fail.

You get a utility that reads the data off the drive _once_ and try that first.

dd is useful, dcfldd is better as it allows resume and retest of certain areas. Regards, Kerry.

On 10/01/2014 12:38 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

...

What about Spinrite? WOuldn’t that possibly do the trick?

On Jan 9, 2014, at 11:33 AM, Chris Smart wrote:

> There are restoration services that will try to recover your > data for you, but they aren't cheap. > > Is your data more valuable monetarily than the cost of a new drive? > > and, DON'T FORGET TO BACK UP REGULARLY next time. > > At 08:52 AM 1/9/2014, you wrote: > >> hello dears >> >> please, which program do the image for such unalocated disk to >> try to access it by data-back or another? >> another thing, am i find a software scan the disk to identify >> the problem for me? >> many thanks >> >> On 1/9/14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Yes, Vinux and most other Linux distributions will contain the >>> DD command, although you will have to run this through the >>> terminal as it doesn't have a gui. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Ben. >>> >>> On 1/9/14, Ibraam Wahib wrote: >>> >>>> dear ben >>>> thanks for your care >>>> please, which program let me image it sector by sector as you >>>> mentioned another thing is vinux live cd contain dd app you >>>> told me about? >>>> sorry i've not background in such problems >>>> thanks >>>> >>>> On 1/8/14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I would suggest imaging it, sector by sector, to a known >>>>> good 80GB or larger drive then using software like Get Data >>>>> Back or rStudio to attempt to recover the files. >>>>> >>>>> If you can boot into something like Vinux, dd should be able >>>>> to handle the imaging, although if the drive has physical >>>>> problems, bare in mind that attempting to access the drive >>>>> may cause the problems to get worse, to the point where you >>>>> will have to send it to a data recovery company if you >>>>> require the data. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Ben. >>>>> >>>>> On 1/8/14, Ibraam Wahib wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> hello sirs >>>>>> please, i've big problem hope i found one help me >>>>>> >>>>>> suddenly my hard disk at home stope working and i wasn't >>>>>> make back-up for my data it gave me unalocated disk don't >>>>>> know what's wrong, any solve for this problem? >>>>>> what i shall use to identify the problem and how i get my data. >>>>>> note: hard disk is 80 gb, c is ntfs, and the another >>>>>> partations fat32, hard disk is data caple. >>>>>> wait your guide if you please >>>>>> thanks >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >

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hello pen please send to me off list to not desturbe other members ok. i'll make the image but windows dd which i got from sourceforge i think is not accessible do u have tutorial for vinux one? also is the cd suport sound card? or what's ur openion if we make file.bat to use it to image drive via windows pro On 1/13/14, Andrew Hodgson wrote:

Hi,

When you say the head is wake does that mean the drive is spinning up?

As has been said originally to get the best chance to recover the data it is best to image the drive using tools such as DD to another disk. This way if you damage the drive by either physical damage or by another recover tool you have something else to work with.

Also a timeline of events would be good - i.e, what happened immediately (if anything) before the issue, etc.

It may be as simple as running a partition undelete tool, or as complex as running a sector based recovery tool on the drive.

Andrew.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ibraam Wahib Sent: 12 January 2014 23:36 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Weastern Hard disk problem

hello friends i know that hard-disk head is wake so i think the company will move data for me on another hard after this i can try software on it for learning only. but is electric cut could be a reason for head wakeness? many thanks to all of you for your care and help

On 1/10/14, Jackie McBride wrote:

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Seriously? Catherine, a quick google of data recovery techniques will show u that there is equipment these people employ, such as clean room technologies, that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. 1 dust particle in the head of a hard drive can cause things to literally grind to a halt. We may all be professionals here, but none of us are likely worth that kind of money. It's for that reason they charge those sorts of prices, & clean-room technology is just 1 example.

On 1/10/14, Katherine Moss wrote:

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Now, you guys keep talking about needing professional help at certain points where a drive is dead. What's so professional about it that us smarties can't learn how to handle it ourselves? We're all professionals anyway on this list, aren't we?

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ibraam Wahib Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 12:02 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Weastern Hard disk problem

many thanks for your care i tried to use windows version of DD but i think it's not accessible, do you suggest accessible program let me make an image to this disk? and may find a software to scan this image to get data back from it. thanks

On 1/10/14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

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Hi,

This http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYSB7_QfaFc video is a good summary of what it does. Unfortunately, what Steve forgets to tell you is that in some situations, spinrite "begging" for the data actually causes the condition of the drive to worsen, which as I said in my last message will usually result in you needing pro help to get any of the data back.

Cheers, Ben.

On 1/9/14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

...

Hi,

I have to agree with Kerry here; part of the problem with Spinrite is that people run it without really knowing that much about what could be wrong with the drive and as Kerry has said, what happens sometimes is a week head becomes a dead head, which turns the job from a potentially DIY type situation into something that will need professional help.

Another problem with it is that it writes to the source drive, which is just a really stupid idea. Big newsflash here, but if you're drives not functioning correctly, you should be aiming to get as much data off it as possible and not to carry on using it as if nothing has happened.

The only slightly good thing about it is its maintenance mode, although this really isn't worth paying for. All it does is 0 fill the drive so that any slow sectors are hopefully marked as bad & moved into the gList. You can do this with free software though; a couple of examples that spring to mind are MHDD (dos) or Western Digitals Data Lifeguard diagnostics which is a Windows program and works on all drives - not just WD's.

If we put aside accessibility & cost constraints, the best software for imaging dead drives is media tools pro although it doesn't appear to be developed anymore. There are a few reasons why I would suggest this software:

1: You can clone in reverse. If you have for arguments sake 1GB of bads at the beginning of a drive, you can grab the rest of the drive at a good speed and then go back and try and read everything you couldn't previously. If you do manage to get anything extra, MTP automatically writes it to the destination drive in the right place. Additionally, even if you disregard all of the unimagable parts, you may already have all the data that you require using this approach. 2: MTP can control power to the drive. In some instances, a drive might respond well for a few hundred thousand LBA's for example but might then completely lock up. If the drive can be spun down / up automatically, whilst the image will take a *long* time to complete, it will take much less time than it would do if you were to manually control power to the drive. 3: MTP is generally more professional software. Steve Gibson is very clever, but I've always scene spinrite as more of a gimmick in comparison to other data recovery software. All you have to do is search for spinrite on a site like hddguru and you'll be able to read what the real professionals have to say about it.

JMO of course.

Cheers, Ben.

On 1/9/14, Kerry Hoath wrote:

...

I have had spinrite kill drives that wer failing, pushed them beyond their limits causing them to hard fail.

You get a utility that reads the data off the drive _once_ and try that first.

dd is useful, dcfldd is better as it allows resume and retest of certain areas. Regards, Kerry.

On 10/01/2014 12:38 AM, Scott Granados wrote: > What about Spinrite? WOuldn’t that possibly do the trick? > > On Jan 9, 2014, at 11:33 AM, Chris Smart wrote: > > >> There are restoration services that will try to recover your >> data for you, but they aren't cheap. >> >> Is your data more valuable monetarily than the cost of a new drive? >> >> and, DON'T FORGET TO BACK UP REGULARLY next time. >> >> At 08:52 AM 1/9/2014, you wrote: >> >>> hello dears >>> >>> please, which program do the image for such unalocated disk to >>> try to access it by data-back or another? >>> another thing, am i find a software scan the disk to identify >>> the problem for me? >>> many thanks >>> >>> On 1/9/14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Yes, Vinux and most other Linux distributions will contain the >>>> DD command, although you will have to run this through the >>>> terminal as it doesn't have a gui. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Ben. >>>> >>>> On 1/9/14, Ibraam Wahib wrote: >>>> >>>>> dear ben >>>>> thanks for your care >>>>> please, which program let me image it sector by sector as you >>>>> mentioned another thing is vinux live cd contain dd app you >>>>> told me about? >>>>> sorry i've not background in such problems >>>>> thanks >>>>> >>>>> On 1/8/14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> I would suggest imaging it, sector by sector, to a known >>>>>> good 80GB or larger drive then using software like Get Data >>>>>> Back or rStudio to attempt to recover the files. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you can boot into something like Vinux, dd should be able >>>>>> to handle the imaging, although if the drive has physical >>>>>> problems, bare in mind that attempting to access the drive >>>>>> may cause the problems to get worse, to the point where you >>>>>> will have to send it to a data recovery company if you >>>>>> require the data. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Ben. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 1/8/14, Ibraam Wahib wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> hello sirs >>>>>>> please, i've big problem hope i found one help me >>>>>>> >>>>>>> suddenly my hard disk at home stope working and i wasn't >>>>>>> make back-up for my data it gave me unalocated disk don't >>>>>>> know what's wrong, any solve for this problem? >>>>>>> what i shall use to identify the problem and how i get my >>>>>>> data. >>>>>>> note: hard disk is 80 gb, c is ntfs, and the another >>>>>>> partations fat32, hard disk is data caple. >>>>>>> wait your guide if you please >>>>>>> thanks >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>>> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >

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hello friends i know that hard-disk head is wake so i think the company will move data for me on another hard after this i can try software on it for learning only. but is electric cut could be a reason for head wakeness? many thanks to all of you for your care and help On 1/10/14, Jackie McBride wrote:

Seriously? Catherine, a quick google of data recovery techniques will show u that there is equipment these people employ, such as clean room technologies, that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. 1 dust particle in the head of a hard drive can cause things to literally grind to a halt. We may all be professionals here, but none of us are likely worth that kind of money. It's for that reason they charge those sorts of prices, & clean-room technology is just 1 example.

On 1/10/14, Katherine Moss wrote:

...

Now, you guys keep talking about needing professional help at certain points where a drive is dead. What's so professional about it that us smarties can't learn how to handle it ourselves? We're all professionals anyway on this list, aren't we?

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ibraam Wahib Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 12:02 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Weastern Hard disk problem

many thanks for your care i tried to use windows version of DD but i think it's not accessible, do you suggest accessible program let me make an image to this disk? and may find a software to scan this image to get data back from it. thanks

On 1/10/14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

...

Hi,

This http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYSB7_QfaFc video is a good summary of what it does. Unfortunately, what Steve forgets to tell you is that in some situations, spinrite "begging" for the data actually causes the condition of the drive to worsen, which as I said in my last message will usually result in you needing pro help to get any of the data back.

Cheers, Ben.

On 1/9/14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

...

Hi,

I have to agree with Kerry here; part of the problem with Spinrite is that people run it without really knowing that much about what could be wrong with the drive and as Kerry has said, what happens sometimes is a week head becomes a dead head, which turns the job from a potentially DIY type situation into something that will need professional help.

Another problem with it is that it writes to the source drive, which is just a really stupid idea. Big newsflash here, but if you're drives not functioning correctly, you should be aiming to get as much data off it as possible and not to carry on using it as if nothing has happened.

The only slightly good thing about it is its maintenance mode, although this really isn't worth paying for. All it does is 0 fill the drive so that any slow sectors are hopefully marked as bad & moved into the gList. You can do this with free software though; a couple of examples that spring to mind are MHDD (dos) or Western Digitals Data Lifeguard diagnostics which is a Windows program and works on all drives - not just WD's.

If we put aside accessibility & cost constraints, the best software for imaging dead drives is media tools pro although it doesn't appear to be developed anymore. There are a few reasons why I would suggest this software:

1: You can clone in reverse. If you have for arguments sake 1GB of bads at the beginning of a drive, you can grab the rest of the drive at a good speed and then go back and try and read everything you couldn't previously. If you do manage to get anything extra, MTP automatically writes it to the destination drive in the right place. Additionally, even if you disregard all of the unimagable parts, you may already have all the data that you require using this approach. 2: MTP can control power to the drive. In some instances, a drive might respond well for a few hundred thousand LBA's for example but might then completely lock up. If the drive can be spun down / up automatically, whilst the image will take a *long* time to complete, it will take much less time than it would do if you were to manually control power to the drive. 3: MTP is generally more professional software. Steve Gibson is very clever, but I've always scene spinrite as more of a gimmick in comparison to other data recovery software. All you have to do is search for spinrite on a site like hddguru and you'll be able to read what the real professionals have to say about it.

JMO of course.

Cheers, Ben.

On 1/9/14, Kerry Hoath wrote:

...

I have had spinrite kill drives that wer failing, pushed them beyond their limits causing them to hard fail.

You get a utility that reads the data off the drive _once_ and try that first.

dd is useful, dcfldd is better as it allows resume and retest of certain areas. Regards, Kerry.

On 10/01/2014 12:38 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

...

What about Spinrite? WOuldn’t that possibly do the trick?

On Jan 9, 2014, at 11:33 AM, Chris Smart wrote:

> There are restoration services that will try to recover your data > for you, but they aren't cheap. > > Is your data more valuable monetarily than the cost of a new drive? > > and, DON'T FORGET TO BACK UP REGULARLY next time. > > At 08:52 AM 1/9/2014, you wrote: > >> hello dears >> >> please, which program do the image for such unalocated disk to >> try to access it by data-back or another? >> another thing, am i find a software scan the disk to identify the >> problem for me? >> many thanks >> >> On 1/9/14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Yes, Vinux and most other Linux distributions will contain the >>> DD command, although you will have to run this through the >>> terminal as it doesn't have a gui. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Ben. >>> >>> On 1/9/14, Ibraam Wahib wrote: >>> >>>> dear ben >>>> thanks for your care >>>> please, which program let me image it sector by sector as you >>>> mentioned another thing is vinux live cd contain dd app you >>>> told me about? >>>> sorry i've not background in such problems >>>> thanks >>>> >>>> On 1/8/14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I would suggest imaging it, sector by sector, to a known good >>>>> 80GB or larger drive then using software like Get Data Back or >>>>> rStudio to attempt to recover the files. >>>>> >>>>> If you can boot into something like Vinux, dd should be able >>>>> to handle the imaging, although if the drive has physical >>>>> problems, bare in mind that attempting to access the drive may >>>>> cause the problems to get worse, to the point where you will >>>>> have to send it to a data recovery company if you require the >>>>> data. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Ben. >>>>> >>>>> On 1/8/14, Ibraam Wahib wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> hello sirs >>>>>> please, i've big problem hope i found one help me >>>>>> >>>>>> suddenly my hard disk at home stope working and i wasn't make >>>>>> back-up for my data it gave me unalocated disk don't know >>>>>> what's wrong, any solve for this problem? >>>>>> what i shall use to identify the problem and how i get my data. >>>>>> note: hard disk is 80 gb, c is ntfs, and the another >>>>>> partations fat32, hard disk is data caple. >>>>>> wait your guide if you please >>>>>> thanks >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>>> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>>> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>>> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> > > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >

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Hi, This http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYSB7_QfaFc video is a good summary of what it does. Unfortunately, what Steve forgets to tell you is that in some situations, spinrite "begging" for the data actually causes the condition of the drive to worsen, which as I said in my last message will usually result in you needing pro help to get any of the data back. Cheers, Ben. On 1/9/14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

Hi,

I have to agree with Kerry here; part of the problem with Spinrite is that people run it without really knowing that much about what could be wrong with the drive and as Kerry has said, what happens sometimes is a week head becomes a dead head, which turns the job from a potentially DIY type situation into something that will need professional help.

Another problem with it is that it writes to the source drive, which is just a really stupid idea. Big newsflash here, but if you're drives not functioning correctly, you should be aiming to get as much data off it as possible and not to carry on using it as if nothing has happened.

The only slightly good thing about it is its maintenance mode, although this really isn't worth paying for. All it does is 0 fill the drive so that any slow sectors are hopefully marked as bad & moved into the gList. You can do this with free software though; a couple of examples that spring to mind are MHDD (dos) or Western Digitals Data Lifeguard diagnostics which is a Windows program and works on all drives - not just WD's.

If we put aside accessibility & cost constraints, the best software for imaging dead drives is media tools pro although it doesn't appear to be developed anymore. There are a few reasons why I would suggest this software:

1: You can clone in reverse. If you have for arguments sake 1GB of bads at the beginning of a drive, you can grab the rest of the drive at a good speed and then go back and try and read everything you couldn't previously. If you do manage to get anything extra, MTP automatically writes it to the destination drive in the right place. Additionally, even if you disregard all of the unimagable parts, you may already have all the data that you require using this approach. 2: MTP can control power to the drive. In some instances, a drive might respond well for a few hundred thousand LBA's for example but might then completely lock up. If the drive can be spun down / up automatically, whilst the image will take a *long* time to complete, it will take much less time than it would do if you were to manually control power to the drive. 3: MTP is generally more professional software. Steve Gibson is very clever, but I've always scene spinrite as more of a gimmick in comparison to other data recovery software. All you have to do is search for spinrite on a site like hddguru and you'll be able to read what the real professionals have to say about it.

JMO of course.

Cheers, Ben.

On 1/9/14, Kerry Hoath wrote:

...

I have had spinrite kill drives that wer failing, pushed them beyond their limits causing them to hard fail.

You get a utility that reads the data off the drive _once_ and try that first.

dd is useful, dcfldd is better as it allows resume and retest of certain areas. Regards, Kerry.

On 10/01/2014 12:38 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

...

What about Spinrite? WOuldn’t that possibly do the trick?

On Jan 9, 2014, at 11:33 AM, Chris Smart wrote:

...

There are restoration services that will try to recover your data for you, but they aren't cheap.

Is your data more valuable monetarily than the cost of a new drive?

and, DON'T FORGET TO BACK UP REGULARLY next time.

At 08:52 AM 1/9/2014, you wrote:

...

hello dears

please, which program do the image for such unalocated disk to try to access it by data-back or another? another thing, am i find a software scan the disk to identify the problem for me? many thanks

On 1/9/14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

...

Hi,

Yes, Vinux and most other Linux distributions will contain the DD command, although you will have to run this through the terminal as it doesn't have a gui.

Cheers, Ben.

On 1/9/14, Ibraam Wahib wrote:

> dear ben > thanks for your care > please, which program let me image it sector by sector as you > mentioned > another thing is vinux live cd contain dd app you told me about? > sorry i've not background in such problems > thanks > > On 1/8/14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I would suggest imaging it, sector by sector, to a known good 80GB >> or >> larger drive then using software like Get Data Back or rStudio to >> attempt to recover the files. >> >> If you can boot into something like Vinux, dd should be able to >> handle >> the imaging, although if the drive has physical problems, bare in >> mind >> that attempting to access the drive may cause the problems to get >> worse, to the point where you will have to send it to a data >> recovery >> company if you require the data. >> >> Cheers, >> Ben. >> >> On 1/8/14, Ibraam Wahib wrote: >> >>> hello sirs >>> please, i've big problem hope i found one help me >>> >>> suddenly my hard disk at home stope working and i wasn't make >>> back-up >>> for my data >>> it gave me unalocated disk >>> don't know what's wrong, any solve for this problem? >>> what i shall use to identify the problem and how i get my data. >>> note: hard disk is 80 gb, c is ntfs, and the another partations >>> fat32, >>> hard disk is data caple. >>> wait your guide if you please >>> thanks >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >>> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >>> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blind-sysadmins mailing list >> Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org >> http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Blind-sysadmins mailing list > Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org > http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins > > _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins

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