Seconding what Scott said. If this solves the Nano issue it's going to make my job so much easier. Thank you. On 8/9/17, Scott Granados wrote:

When you were using JFW and secure CRT did you try the jaw script that accompanies secure CRT?

I’m going to have to try out this combination myself and see if there’s finally a good windows SSH option. I had decent luck with JFW, the scripts and secure CRT but this sounds better.

...

On Aug 9, 2017, at 8:50 AM, Darragh Ó Héiligh wrote:

Because I'm having a lot of problems with Jaws at the moment, I'm using NVDA a lot more than I would have. NVDA is slowing me down in Outlook and of course, I cant use it in remote desktop environments reliably but where it is really shining is in SecureCRT! I've just successfully connected to a Linux machine, Then used SSH to connect to a remote server where I needed to update some files. I used simple commands. Ls, pwd, ps etc and the feedback was perfect every single time. Then I ran nano and to my delight I was able to accurately navigate by character and by line. I haven't had that kind of reliability from a Windows screen reader in an SSH session before. I'm just delighted!

I've also found good success in the command line and in powershell.

Regards

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I've noticed different types of feedback from different types of consoles; have received the best from the default Windows one. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Glen Gordon Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 12:41 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] NVDA with Secure CRT is amazing! Speaking from the JAWS side of this, we've been prototyping changes to improve interaction in console windows over the past couple of months. These fit into two categories: Better feedback when interacting at console prompts and more accurate navigation when connected to remote sessions where there are delays between arrow keys being pressed and the caret actually moving. The above is a personal passion of mine and I'm doing my best to make sure that the changes will hit as part of the initial JAWS 19 release. --Glen Glen Gordon VFO | Vice President & Chief Technology Officer 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 T 727-299-6230 ggordon@vfo-group.com www.vfo-group.com -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ben Mustill-Rose Sent: Wednesday, August 9, 2017 4:17 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] NVDA with Secure CRT is amazing! Seconding what Scott said. If this solves the Nano issue it's going to make my job so much easier. Thank you. On 8/9/17, Scott Granados wrote:

When you were using JFW and secure CRT did you try the jaw script that accompanies secure CRT?

I’m going to have to try out this combination myself and see if there’s finally a good windows SSH option. I had decent luck with JFW, the scripts and secure CRT but this sounds better.

...

On Aug 9, 2017, at 8:50 AM, Darragh Ó Héiligh wrote:

Because I'm having a lot of problems with Jaws at the moment, I'm using NVDA a lot more than I would have. NVDA is slowing me down in Outlook and of course, I cant use it in remote desktop environments reliably but where it is really shining is in SecureCRT! I've just successfully connected to a Linux machine, Then used SSH to connect to a remote server where I needed to update some files. I used simple commands. Ls, pwd, ps etc and the feedback was perfect every single time. Then I ran nano and to my delight I was able to accurately navigate by character and by line. I haven't had that kind of reliability from a Windows screen reader in an SSH session before. I'm just delighted!

I've also found good success in the command line and in powershell.

Regards

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Glen, I really look forward to this. Regards Darragh -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Glen Gordon Sent: Friday 11 August 2017 17:41 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] NVDA with Secure CRT is amazing! Speaking from the JAWS side of this, we've been prototyping changes to improve interaction in console windows over the past couple of months. These fit into two categories: Better feedback when interacting at console prompts and more accurate navigation when connected to remote sessions where there are delays between arrow keys being pressed and the caret actually moving. The above is a personal passion of mine and I'm doing my best to make sure that the changes will hit as part of the initial JAWS 19 release. --Glen Glen Gordon VFO | Vice President & Chief Technology Officer 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 T 727-299-6230 ggordon@vfo-group.com www.vfo-group.com -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ben Mustill-Rose Sent: Wednesday, August 9, 2017 4:17 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] NVDA with Secure CRT is amazing! Seconding what Scott said. If this solves the Nano issue it's going to make my job so much easier. Thank you. On 8/9/17, Scott Granados wrote:

When you were using JFW and secure CRT did you try the jaw script that accompanies secure CRT?

I’m going to have to try out this combination myself and see if there’s finally a good windows SSH option. I had decent luck with JFW, the scripts and secure CRT but this sounds better.

...

On Aug 9, 2017, at 8:50 AM, Darragh Ó Héiligh wrote:

Because I'm having a lot of problems with Jaws at the moment, I'm using NVDA a lot more than I would have. NVDA is slowing me down in Outlook and of course, I cant use it in remote desktop environments reliably but where it is really shining is in SecureCRT! I've just successfully connected to a Linux machine, Then used SSH to connect to a remote server where I needed to update some files. I used simple commands. Ls, pwd, ps etc and the feedback was perfect every single time. Then I ran nano and to my delight I was able to accurately navigate by character and by line. I haven't had that kind of reliability from a Windows screen reader in an SSH session before. I'm just delighted!

I've also found good success in the command line and in powershell.

Regards

Darragh Ó Héiligh Websites: Personal: www.digitaldarragh.comhttp://www.digitaldarragh.com Professional: www.computersupportservices.iehttp://www.computersupportservices.ie Music: www.ceol.fmhttp://www.ceol.fm

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Glen Having better support in CRT will open jobs in the networking and Linux jobs plus removes barriers for those who are already excellent news Sean My experience is the part

On 13 Aug 2017, at 6:46 pm, Darragh Ó Héiligh wrote:

Glen, I really look forward to this.

Regards

Darragh

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Glen Gordon Sent: Friday 11 August 2017 17:41 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] NVDA with Secure CRT is amazing!

Speaking from the JAWS side of this, we've been prototyping changes to improve interaction in console windows over the past couple of months. These fit into two categories: Better feedback when interacting at console prompts and more accurate navigation when connected to remote sessions where there are delays between arrow keys being pressed and the caret actually moving.

The above is a personal passion of mine and I'm doing my best to make sure that the changes will hit as part of the initial JAWS 19 release.

--Glen

Glen Gordon VFO | Vice President & Chief Technology Officer 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 T 727-299-6230 ggordon@vfo-group.com www.vfo-group.com

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ben Mustill-Rose Sent: Wednesday, August 9, 2017 4:17 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] NVDA with Secure CRT is amazing!

Seconding what Scott said. If this solves the Nano issue it's going to make my job so much easier. Thank you.

...

On 8/9/17, Scott Granados wrote: When you were using JFW and secure CRT did you try the jaw script that accompanies secure CRT?

I’m going to have to try out this combination myself and see if there’s finally a good windows SSH option. I had decent luck with JFW, the scripts and secure CRT but this sounds better.

...

On Aug 9, 2017, at 8:50 AM, Darragh Ó Héiligh wrote:

Because I'm having a lot of problems with Jaws at the moment, I'm using NVDA a lot more than I would have. NVDA is slowing me down in Outlook and of course, I cant use it in remote desktop environments reliably but where it is really shining is in SecureCRT! I've just successfully connected to a Linux machine, Then used SSH to connect to a remote server where I needed to update some files. I used simple commands. Ls, pwd, ps etc and the feedback was perfect every single time. Then I ran nano and to my delight I was able to accurately navigate by character and by line. I haven't had that kind of reliability from a Windows screen reader in an SSH session before. I'm just delighted!

I've also found good success in the command line and in powershell.

Regards

Darragh Ó Héiligh Websites: Personal: www.digitaldarragh.comhttp://www.digitaldarragh.com Professional: www.computersupportservices.iehttp://www.computersupportservices.ie Music: www.ceol.fmhttp://www.ceol.fm

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Ah yes, that is very annoying. I can't justify buying SecureCRT. My paid job doesn't involve needing it. Still using Teraterm with NVDA / JAWS here. SecureCRT is over $100 if I recall? Regards Chris Turner On 14/10/17 16:15, Steve Matzura wrote:

Hello, Glen. Glad to have you here.

Another thing that's ponderous to deal with is the situation of JAWS repeatedly announcing the character on which the cursor is positioned. I don't believe the screen is refreshing, but something makes JAWS think it is, hence the repeating reads. If that could be solved also, without having to switch JAWS to its "None" echo setting, that all by itself could be of great value. Then the user could hear the characters over which the Windows cursor moves, even despite a small network-imposed delay.

On Fri, 11 Aug 2017 16:40:48 +0000, you wrote:

...

Speaking from the JAWS side of this, we've been prototyping changes to improve interaction in console windows over the past couple of months. These fit into two categories: Better feedback when interacting at console prompts and more accurate navigation when connected to remote sessions where there are delays between arrow keys being pressed and the caret actually moving.

The above is a personal passion of mine and I'm doing my best to make sure that the changes will hit as part of the initial JAWS 19 release.

--Glen

Glen Gordon VFO | Vice President & Chief Technology Officer 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 T 727-299-6230 ggordon@vfo-group.com www.vfo-group.com

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ben Mustill-Rose Sent: Wednesday, August 9, 2017 4:17 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] NVDA with Secure CRT is amazing!

Seconding what Scott said. If this solves the Nano issue it's going to make my job so much easier. Thank you.

On 8/9/17, Scott Granados wrote:

...

When you were using JFW and secure CRT did you try the jaw script that accompanies secure CRT?

I’m going to have to try out this combination myself and see if there’s finally a good windows SSH option. I had decent luck with JFW, the scripts and secure CRT but this sounds better.

...

On Aug 9, 2017, at 8:50 AM, Darragh Ó Héiligh wrote:

Because I'm having a lot of problems with Jaws at the moment, I'm using NVDA a lot more than I would have. NVDA is slowing me down in Outlook and of course, I cant use it in remote desktop environments reliably but where it is really shining is in SecureCRT! I've just successfully connected to a Linux machine, Then used SSH to connect to a remote server where I needed to update some files. I used simple commands. Ls, pwd, ps etc and the feedback was perfect every single time. Then I ran nano and to my delight I was able to accurately navigate by character and by line. I haven't had that kind of reliability from a Windows screen reader in an SSH session before. I'm just delighted!

I've also found good success in the command line and in powershell.

Regards

Darragh Ó Héiligh Websites: Personal: www.digitaldarragh.comhttp://www.digitaldarragh.com Professional: www.computersupportservices.iehttp://www.computersupportservices.ie Music: www.ceol.fmhttp://www.ceol.fm

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I'm stil using Putty with Jaws for my servers Smile. Some of Jaws scripts makes easy to navigate within console Windows and Nano. 2017-10-14 19:02 GMT+03:00, Chris Turner via Blind-sysadmins :

Ah yes, that is very annoying. I can't justify buying SecureCRT. My paid job doesn't involve needing it. Still using Teraterm with NVDA / JAWS here.

SecureCRT is over $100 if I recall?

Regards

Chris Turner

On 14/10/17 16:15, Steve Matzura wrote:

...

Hello, Glen. Glad to have you here.

Another thing that's ponderous to deal with is the situation of JAWS repeatedly announcing the character on which the cursor is positioned. I don't believe the screen is refreshing, but something makes JAWS think it is, hence the repeating reads. If that could be solved also, without having to switch JAWS to its "None" echo setting, that all by itself could be of great value. Then the user could hear the characters over which the Windows cursor moves, even despite a small network-imposed delay.

On Fri, 11 Aug 2017 16:40:48 +0000, you wrote:

...

Speaking from the JAWS side of this, we've been prototyping changes to improve interaction in console windows over the past couple of months. These fit into two categories: Better feedback when interacting at console prompts and more accurate navigation when connected to remote sessions where there are delays between arrow keys being pressed and the caret actually moving.

The above is a personal passion of mine and I'm doing my best to make sure that the changes will hit as part of the initial JAWS 19 release.

--Glen

Glen Gordon VFO | Vice President & Chief Technology Officer 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 T 727-299-6230 ggordon@vfo-group.com www.vfo-group.com

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ben Mustill-Rose Sent: Wednesday, August 9, 2017 4:17 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] NVDA with Secure CRT is amazing!

Seconding what Scott said. If this solves the Nano issue it's going to make my job so much easier. Thank you.

On 8/9/17, Scott Granados wrote:

...

When you were using JFW and secure CRT did you try the jaw script that accompanies secure CRT?

I’m going to have to try out this combination myself and see if there’s finally a good windows SSH option. I had decent luck with JFW, the scripts and secure CRT but this sounds better.

...

On Aug 9, 2017, at 8:50 AM, Darragh Ó Héiligh wrote:

Because I'm having a lot of problems with Jaws at the moment, I'm using NVDA a lot more than I would have. NVDA is slowing me down in Outlook and of course, I cant use it in remote desktop environments reliably but where it is really shining is in SecureCRT! I've just successfully connected to a Linux machine, Then used SSH to connect to a remote server where I needed to update some files. I used simple commands. Ls, pwd, ps etc and the feedback was perfect every single time. Then I ran nano and to my delight I was able to accurately navigate by character and by line. I haven't had that kind of reliability from a Windows screen reader in an SSH session before. I'm just delighted!

I've also found good success in the command line and in powershell.

Regards

Darragh Ó Héiligh Websites: Personal: www.digitaldarragh.comhttp://www.digitaldarragh.com Professional: www.computersupportservices.iehttp://www.computersupportservices.ie Music: www.ceol.fmhttp://www.ceol.fm

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