I do not believe that DD will address the reserve block area of the drive; the OS is not aware of this area (this is true of Linux as well as Windows). The best way to wipe a drive permanently is to cut up the platters--physically destroy the drive. Check out this PDF for more information on levels of data destruction. http://cmrr.ucsd.edu/people/Hughes/CmrrSecureEraseProtocols.pdf On Tue, May 18, 2010 09:22, John G. Heim wrote:

I do not know. Where is that information kept?

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Mustill-Rose" To: "Blind sysadmins list" Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 3:38 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] data format.

Thanks for this John, considder this linux newbe enlightened.

Would you happen to know if this command ignores feedback from the drive in regards to what blocks are considdered bad or not? Each drive has a g list containing a list of bad blocks, which are more often than not invisible to the end user or any software unless they start issuing ata commands to the drive to expose it. The problem being is that some formatting programs also skip these bad blocks, when in actual fact, they can still contain data.

Ben.

On 18/05/2010, John G. Heim wrote:

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This is a frequently asked question on linux lists. It usually generates quite a bit of debate because the military doesn't usually tell people what they can do so you can only speculate on what it would take to destroy the data so that even the military can't recover it. Certainly, if you destroy the platter physically by doing something like hitting it with a hammer, that should do it.

But most people believe that just wiping the disk a dozen or so times will do it. You can do that with the dd command lie this:

Dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/sda

That’s if your disk is a sata drive. For IDE drives, the command would be:

Dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/had

Those commands write random digits over the entire drive, wiping out the boot sector, partition table, and all data. You would have to do that several times because the read/write heads might not line up exactly right to destroy every single bit if you do it just once.

-----Original Message----- .From: "Ibraam Wahib" .Sent: 5/17/10 4:38:19 AM .To: "Blind sysadmins list" .Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] data format. . .hello friends: .need quick help please, .how can I format a hard disk which can not be recovered forever by any means? )data destroyed( .the hard was have windows format then formatted and now have Linux, I need to delete all partitions and delete any data to be unusable anymore even via military means. .can we do this? .for further information contact me off list. .thanks .ibraam ._______________________________________________ .Blind-sysadmins mailing list .Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org .http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins .

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The shot gun won't work (perfectly) you need something more like a grinding tool to turn the platter in to fine dust (preferably not of uniform size). ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G. Heim" To: ; "Blind sysadmins list" Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] data format. The last time I saw this topic on a linux discussion list, the recommendation was to take the platter out and shoot it with a shotgun. According to the guy who wrote the post, it had the advantage of requiring no special tools. As if everyone has a shotgun. Anyway, Ibraam asked how to destroy a drive so that even the military couldn't recover the data. I think its important to point out that only the military would know that for sure and they're not likely to say. So if you really want to be as sure as you can be, I'd first wipe the drive with dd and then also severely physically damage the platter with something like a shotgun, hammer, blow torch, or hacksaw. Linux also has a wipe command that does a more scientific job of wiping a disk than the dd command I gave earlier. If you're not worried about the CIA getting ahold of your drive, I think using wipe or just doing the dd command a few times will be sufficient. If you're just selling a drive on ebay, you can use wipe or dd. ----- Original Message ----- From: "White, Matt" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] data format. I do not believe that DD will address the reserve block area of the drive; the OS is not aware of this area (this is true of Linux as well as Windows). The best way to wipe a drive permanently is to cut up the platters--physically destroy the drive. Check out this PDF for more information on levels of data destruction. +http://cmr r.ucsd.edu/people/Hughes/CmrrSecureEraseProtocols.pdf On Tue, May 18, 2010 09:22, John G. Heim wrote:

I do not know. Where is that information kept?

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Mustill-Rose" To: "Blind sysadmins list" Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 3:38 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] data format.

Thanks for this John, considder this linux newbe enlightened.

Would you happen to know if this command ignores feedback from the drive in regards to what blocks are considdered bad or not? Each drive has a g list containing a list of bad blocks, which are more often than not invisible to the end user or any software unless they start issuing ata commands to the drive to expose it. The problem being is that some formatting programs also skip these bad blocks, when in actual fact, they can still contain data.

Ben.

On 18/05/2010, John G. Heim wrote:

...

This is a frequently asked question on linux lists. It usually generates quite a bit of debate because the military doesn't usually tell people what they can do so you can only speculate on what it would take to destroy the data so that even the military can't recover it. Certainly, if you destroy the platter physically by doing something like hitting it with a hammer, that should do it.

But most people believe that just wiping the disk a dozen or so times will do it. You can do that with the dd command lie this:

Dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/sda

That's if your disk is a sata drive. For IDE drives, the command would be:

Dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/had

Those commands write random digits over the entire drive, wiping out the boot sector, partition table, and all data. You would have to do that several times because the read/write heads might not line up exactly right to destroy every single bit if you do it just once.

-----Original Message----- .From: "Ibraam Wahib" .Sent: 5/17/10 4:38:19 AM .To: "Blind sysadmins list" .Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] data format. . .hello friends: .need quick help please, .how can I format a hard disk which can not be recovered forever by any means? )data destroyed( .the hard was have windows format then formatted and now have Linux, I need to delete all partitions and delete any data to be unusable anymore even via military means. .can we do this? .for further information contact me off list. .thanks .ibraam ._______________________________________________ .Blind-sysadmins mailing list .Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org .http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins .

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I just thought I would add my 2 cents. For destroying DVD's and CD's, I use a cross-cut shredder that has capacity for shredding 12 pages at once. When a DVD or CD has gone to the shredder it comes out as small pieces of confetti and the confetti is divided up and thrown out in different trash bags if necessary. As for hard drives use various tools to format it several times and if I need to destroy it I have found a hammer works real good. Greg B. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Brent Harding Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 12:58 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] data format. What about the microwave that's supposedly effective on CD's? I thought of adopting it as my way of choice to destroy disks with data on them I don't need any more, say I back up to DVD some day and don't want my whole system basically in the dumpster for anyone to take, mic the old one for 10 seconds and make a new one. There, one would probably want to keep at least one or two older in case one of them failed without you knowing, but at some point you can't keep everything. Another candidate for the mic would be those disks you can request from Social Security with your notices in Word files, they have your SSN on I'm sure, and they give you a print copy with it, but it comes a time when they aren't relevant any more. Is it safe to just zap these disks for 10 seconds in the mic, maybe test them to make sure they're toast, and be safe? Will it wreck the microwave? I haven't had to get rid of an old hard drive yet, so not sure it'd be effective there. I'd think there has to be a better way to destroy CD's than busting them in half and cutting yourself, maybe I found it but I'm afraid to try it much. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Granados" To: "Blind sysadmins list" ; Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] data format.

The shot gun won't work (perfectly) you need something more like a grinding tool to turn the platter in to fine dust (preferably not of uniform size).

----- Original Message ----- From: "John G. Heim" To: ; "Blind sysadmins list" Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] data format.

The last time I saw this topic on a linux discussion list, the recommendation was to take the platter out and shoot it with a shotgun. According to the guy who wrote the post, it had the advantage of requiring no special tools. As if everyone has a shotgun.

Anyway, Ibraam asked how to destroy a drive so that even the military couldn't recover the data. I think its important to point out that only the military would know that for sure and they're not likely to say. So if you really want to be as sure as you can be, I'd first wipe the drive with dd and then also severely physically damage the platter with something like a shotgun, hammer, blow torch, or hacksaw.

Linux also has a wipe command that does a more scientific job of wiping a disk than the dd command I gave earlier. If you're not worried about the CIA getting ahold of your drive, I think using wipe or just doing the dd command a few times will be sufficient. If you're just selling a drive on ebay, you can use wipe or dd.

----- Original Message ----- From: "White, Matt" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] data format.

I do not believe that DD will address the reserve block area of the drive; the OS is not aware of this area (this is true of Linux as well as Windows).

The best way to wipe a drive permanently is to cut up the platters--physically destroy the drive. Check out this PDF for more information on levels of data destruction.

+http://cmr r.ucsd.edu/people/Hughes/CmrrSecureEraseProtocols.pdf

On Tue, May 18, 2010 09:22, John G. Heim wrote:

...

I do not know. Where is that information kept?

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Mustill-Rose" To: "Blind sysadmins list" Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 3:38 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] data format.

Thanks for this John, considder this linux newbe enlightened.

Would you happen to know if this command ignores feedback from the drive in regards to what blocks are considdered bad or not? Each drive has a g list containing a list of bad blocks, which are more often than not invisible to the end user or any software unless they start issuing ata commands to the drive to expose it. The problem being is that some formatting programs also skip these bad blocks, when in actual fact, they can still contain data.

Ben.

On 18/05/2010, John G. Heim wrote:

...

This is a frequently asked question on linux lists. It usually generates quite a bit of debate because the military doesn't usually tell people what they can do so you can only speculate on what it would take to destroy the data so that even the military can't recover it. Certainly, if you destroy the platter physically by doing something like hitting it with a hammer, that should do it.

But most people believe that just wiping the disk a dozen or so times will do it. You can do that with the dd command lie this:

Dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/sda

That's if your disk is a sata drive. For IDE drives, the command would be:

Dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/had

Those commands write random digits over the entire drive, wiping out the boot sector, partition table, and all data. You would have to do that several times because the read/write heads might not line up exactly right to destroy every single bit if you do it just once.

-----Original Message----- .From: "Ibraam Wahib" .Sent: 5/17/10 4:38:19 AM .To: "Blind sysadmins list" .Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] data format. . .hello friends: .need quick help please, .how can I format a hard disk which can not be recovered forever by any means? )data destroyed( .the hard was have windows format then formatted and now have Linux, I need to delete all partitions and delete any data to be unusable anymore even via military means. .can we do this? .for further information contact me off list. .thanks .ibraam ._______________________________________________ .Blind-sysadmins mailing list .Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org .http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins .

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A number of shredders are setup for CD/DVD shredding; my $70 Fellows is a good example. There is a separate slot above the paper slot that is intended for optical media. I hardly ever burn anything sensitive to optical media but I have tested this function out and it works as advertised. The forensic team where I work will cut up hard disk platters with metal snips--works very well. Matt On Tue, May 18, 2010 17:20, Brent Harding wrote:

That might be better than microwaving CD's. I just thought that most of them say you shouldn't put credit cards, CD's etc in, but I know of a friend who tried just about anything in there you could fit. I'm not sure if his shredder works any more, but it's cheaper than a microwave if it went bad one day. I don't see needing to shred a lot of disks, just certain ones once in awhile. Maybe external drives that I'd reuse are better for the backups, but blu ray looks attractive if the cost goes down, at 50 gigs a disk, I'd only need 6 to back up the whole internal, but I'm sure I'll buy a bigger drive before that gets cheap.

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I just thought I would add my 2 cents. For destroying DVD's and CD's, I use a cross-cut shredder that has capacity for shredding 12 pages at once. When a DVD or CD has gone to the shredder it comes out as small pieces of confetti and the confetti is divided up and thrown out in different trash bags if necessary. As for hard drives use various tools to format it several times and if I need to destroy it I have found a hammer works real good.

Greg B.

-----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Brent Harding Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 12:58 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] data format.

What about the microwave that's supposedly effective on CD's? I thought of adopting it as my way of choice to destroy disks with data on them I don't need any more, say I back up to DVD some day and don't want my whole system basically in the dumpster for anyone to take, mic the old one for 10 seconds

and make a new one. There, one would probably want to keep at least one or two older in case one of them failed without you knowing, but at some point you can't keep everything. Another candidate for the mic would be those disks you can request from Social Security with your notices in Word files, they have your SSN on I'm sure, and they give you a print copy with it, but it comes a time when they aren't relevant any more. Is it safe to just zap these disks for 10 seconds in the mic, maybe test them to make sure they're toast, and be safe? Will it wreck the microwave? I haven't had to get rid of

an old hard drive yet, so not sure it'd be effective there. I'd think there has to be a better way to destroy CD's than busting them in half and cutting

yourself, maybe I found it but I'm afraid to try it much.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Granados" To: "Blind sysadmins list" ; Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] data format.

...

The shot gun won't work (perfectly) you need something more like a grinding tool to turn the platter in to fine dust (preferably not of uniform size).

----- Original Message ----- From: "John G. Heim" To: ; "Blind sysadmins list" Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] data format.

The last time I saw this topic on a linux discussion list, the recommendation was to take the platter out and shoot it with a shotgun. According to the guy who wrote the post, it had the advantage of requiring no special tools. As if everyone has a shotgun.

Anyway, Ibraam asked how to destroy a drive so that even the military couldn't recover the data. I think its important to point out that only the military would know that for sure and they're not likely to say. So if you really want to be as sure as you can be, I'd first wipe the drive with dd and then also severely physically damage the platter with something like a shotgun, hammer, blow torch, or hacksaw.

Linux also has a wipe command that does a more scientific job of wiping a disk than the dd command I gave earlier. If you're not worried about the CIA getting ahold of your drive, I think using wipe or just doing the dd command a few times will be sufficient. If you're just selling a drive on ebay, you can use wipe or dd.

----- Original Message ----- From: "White, Matt" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] data format.

I do not believe that DD will address the reserve block area of the drive; the OS is not aware of this area (this is true of Linux as well as Windows).

The best way to wipe a drive permanently is to cut up the platters--physically destroy the drive. Check out this PDF for more information on levels of data destruction.

+http://cmr r.ucsd.edu/people/Hughes/CmrrSecureEraseProtocols.pdf

On Tue, May 18, 2010 09:22, John G. Heim wrote:

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I do not know. Where is that information kept?

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Mustill-Rose" To: "Blind sysadmins list" Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 3:38 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] data format.

Thanks for this John, considder this linux newbe enlightened.

Would you happen to know if this command ignores feedback from the drive in regards to what blocks are considdered bad or not? Each drive has a g list containing a list of bad blocks, which are more often than not invisible to the end user or any software unless they start issuing ata commands to the drive to expose it. The problem being is that some formatting programs also skip these bad blocks, when in actual fact, they can still contain data.

Ben.

On 18/05/2010, John G. Heim wrote:

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This is a frequently asked question on linux lists. It usually generates quite a bit of debate because the military doesn't usually tell people what they can do so you can only speculate on what it would take to destroy the data so that even the military can't recover it. Certainly, if you destroy the platter physically by doing something like hitting it with a hammer, that should do it.

But most people believe that just wiping the disk a dozen or so times will do it. You can do that with the dd command lie this:

Dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/sda

That's if your disk is a sata drive. For IDE drives, the command would be:

Dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/had

Those commands write random digits over the entire drive, wiping out the boot sector, partition table, and all data. You would have to do that several times because the read/write heads might not line up exactly right to destroy every single bit if you do it just once.

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I think you will have to go through the vendor of the SATA controller to do that. SATA was sorta new when XP came out. Best Regards, Billy L. Irwin Irwin Communications Services 1826B Prospect Drive Charlotte, NC 28213 P: 704-899-5928 Charlotte, NC P: 864-649-9032 Gaffney, SC C: 864-809-9620 Spartanburg, SC www.railhost.us / www.scguru.com / www.gspskywarn.org -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 6:20 PM To: matt.bsa@wh1t3.net; Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows XP unattended install and SATA drives Hi all I am trying to do an unattended XP Pro install onto an Lenovo T61 and the Windows setup program does not recognize the SATA hard drive. Is there any generic SATA drivers I can get that I can slipstream into my install CD to get it to work? Thanks Frank _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins

Also, I forgot to mention that if u have the drivers, download them to a folder on your hd, then use NLite for your unattended. On 5/21/10, Jackie McBride wrote:

Frank, get some sighted help, go into bios, & make sure that ide mode is set as the type of emulation. Since bioses vary widely, I can't tell u precisely where to go--you'll just have to poke around a bit.

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I think you will have to go through the vendor of the SATA controller to do that. SATA was sorta new when XP came out.

Best Regards,

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-----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 6:20 PM To: matt.bsa@wh1t3.net; Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows XP unattended install and SATA drives

Hi all I am trying to do an unattended XP Pro install onto an Lenovo T61 and the Windows setup program does not recognize the SATA hard drive. Is there any generic SATA drivers I can get that I can slipstream into my install CD to get it to work? Thanks Frank

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Hi All, I am running Asterisk 1.4 successfully on CentOS 5.5. Can anyone point me to some accessible resources to learn how to configure this beast? I am confident I can figure it out as I am well versed in Cisco routers and switches. Best Regards, Billy L. Irwin Irwin Communications Services 1826B Prospect Drive Charlotte, NC 28213 P: 704-899-5928 Charlotte, NC P: 864-649-9032 Gaffney, SC C: 864-809-9620 Spartanburg, SC www.railhost.us / www.scguru.com / www.gspskywarn.org -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ben Mustill-Rose Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 8:28 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows XP unattended install and SATA drives A couple of things spring to mind here. Go to http://www.driverpacks.net Download the base and install it. Next, download the mass storige driver pack which contains drivers for most of the sata controlers in existance. Copy the unextracted file into the driverpacks folder that installing the base created. Copy your xp disk someware writable and run the base. You can more or less skip through the screens; just point the base to your xp install and tick the box for mass storige. After that, instead of clicking next or > as it sometimes shows up as, just click slipstream. Note that this will overwrite your winnt.sif, so make sure that you have a backup copy - the only important thing that it does is adds a entry in the gui run once section which you can just copy & paste into the original sif but it's not really needed. Make an iso from the modified xp install and burn it to cd. You should now be able to see the sata drive. However, to put a spanner in the works, the xp installer can have a bit of a stress on some newer chipsets / sata controlers even if you have slipstreamed the drivers. If your finding that your getting blue screens in the install, go into the bios, look for something called ahci and enable it. Hth. On 22/05/2010, Jackie McBride wrote:

Also, I forgot to mention that if u have the drivers, download them to a folder on your hd, then use NLite for your unattended.

On 5/21/10, Jackie McBride wrote:

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Frank, get some sighted help, go into bios, & make sure that ide mode is set as the type of emulation. Since bioses vary widely, I can't tell u precisely where to go--you'll just have to poke around a bit.

On 5/21/10, Billy L. Irwin wrote:

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I think you will have to go through the vendor of the SATA controller to do that. SATA was sorta new when XP came out.

Best Regards,

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-----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 6:20 PM To: matt.bsa@wh1t3.net; Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows XP unattended install and SATA drives

Hi all I am trying to do an unattended XP Pro install onto an Lenovo T61 and the Windows setup program does not recognize the SATA hard drive. Is there any generic SATA drivers I can get that I can slipstream into my install CD to get it to work? Thanks Frank

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Thanks for the reply. Well, I use to manage a network for the local Emergency Management and E-911 center. I am pretty good at troubleshooting most network issues. When I took the class I just finished to brush up my skills I used the Cisco 1841 and 2650T switches. As far as my asterisk goes. I am running it on a dedicated cPanel/WHM server. I have the main parts working now with a demo of the web interface from Third Lane. However, I think it costs way too much and if I can get another web interface to install in conjuction with cPanel that would be great. I made several calls on my system and monitored system resources and it seems my server will handle the task just fine. I have a general idea of the files but I want a better graphical sense of things just to keep it less confusing as I am still somewhat visual. Any ideas? Best Regards, Billy L. Irwin Irwin Communications Services 1826B Prospect Drive Charlotte, NC 28213 P: 704-899-5928 Charlotte, NC P: 864-649-9032 Gaffney, SC C: 864-809-9620 Spartanburg, SC www.railhost.us / www.scguru.com / www.gspskywarn.org -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 9:08 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Asterisk Nice another routing and switching guy! So I'm an asterisk user and got tons of help from this list and from the mobile access list. The big deal is to learn the extensions.conf file and the different configurations for the services. Google for example extensions.conf and you should get some great examples. Let me know if you have any specific questions. What kind of routing and switching do you work on? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Billy L. Irwin" To: "'Blind sysadmins list'" Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 6:59 AM Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Asterisk Hi All, I am running Asterisk 1.4 successfully on CentOS 5.5. Can anyone point me to some accessible resources to learn how to configure this beast? I am confident I can figure it out as I am well versed in Cisco routers and switches. Best Regards, Billy L. Irwin Irwin Communications Services 1826B Prospect Drive Charlotte, NC 28213 P: 704-899-5928 Charlotte, NC P: 864-649-9032 Gaffney, SC C: 864-809-9620 Spartanburg, SC www.railhost.us / www.scguru.com / www.gspskywarn.org -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ben Mustill-Rose Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 8:28 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows XP unattended install and SATA drives A couple of things spring to mind here. Go to http://www.driverpacks.net Download the base and install it. Next, download the mass storige driver pack which contains drivers for most of the sata controlers in existance. Copy the unextracted file into the driverpacks folder that installing the base created. Copy your xp disk someware writable and run the base. You can more or less skip through the screens; just point the base to your xp install and tick the box for mass storige. After that, instead of clicking next or > as it sometimes shows up as, just click slipstream. Note that this will overwrite your winnt.sif, so make sure that you have a backup copy - the only important thing that it does is adds a entry in the gui run once section which you can just copy & paste into the original sif but it's not really needed. Make an iso from the modified xp install and burn it to cd. You should now be able to see the sata drive. However, to put a spanner in the works, the xp installer can have a bit of a stress on some newer chipsets / sata controlers even if you have slipstreamed the drivers. If your finding that your getting blue screens in the install, go into the bios, look for something called ahci and enable it. Hth. On 22/05/2010, Jackie McBride wrote:

Also, I forgot to mention that if u have the drivers, download them to a folder on your hd, then use NLite for your unattended.

On 5/21/10, Jackie McBride wrote:

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Frank, get some sighted help, go into bios, & make sure that ide mode is set as the type of emulation. Since bioses vary widely, I can't tell u precisely where to go--you'll just have to poke around a bit.

On 5/21/10, Billy L. Irwin wrote:

...

I think you will have to go through the vendor of the SATA controller to do that. SATA was sorta new when XP came out.

Best Regards,

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-----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 6:20 PM To: matt.bsa@wh1t3.net; Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows XP unattended install and SATA drives

Hi all I am trying to do an unattended XP Pro install onto an Lenovo T61 and the Windows setup program does not recognize the SATA hard drive. Is there any generic SATA drivers I can get that I can slipstream into my install CD to get it to work? Thanks Frank

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That is so interesting! Well as you can see I am Charlotte, NC I am almost done with my associates degree in networking and plan to further my education. I much prefer the hands on approach that the CCNA class gave me. Sit me in front of a router and I will figure it out. Give me the CCNA exam and I will fail lol. I was practicing with Packet Tracer which I find to be a pain to use. Also the online exams with their graphics was quite difficult but I passed the last 2 semesters configuring the WAN and Switching with a B. I will take a look at FreePBX again and see what I can do. The only problem I saw with it was the install instructions wanted me to make "serious" modifications to Apache's config which I didn't want to do unless last resort. Best Regards, Billy L. Irwin Irwin Communications Services 1826B Prospect Drive Charlotte, NC 28213 P: 704-899-5928 Charlotte, NC P: 864-649-9032 Gaffney, SC C: 864-809-9620 Spartanburg, SC www.railhost.us / www.scguru.com / www.gspskywarn.org -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 9:22 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Asterisk definitely check out freepbx.org, that's a free front end for asterisk. I believe it's called nerd vittles or something like that. I think that will do what you need it to do. Very good on the network projects. I've started two ISP companies and have sense sold them. I've also provided tier 3 engineering support for several carriers and presently am the chief network engineer for the largest provider of out of home TV content in the US and Mexico. I take care of about 7000 locations as well as our enterprise network services. I have direct hands on experience with everything from the old Cisco 25000 up to and incoluding the newer 7600 and ASR platforms. Also work a lot with their ASA hardware. I am completely a Juniper fan now though working a lot with the SRX products, e4200 switches and M series routers. IOS is so limiting in comparison. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Billy L. Irwin" To: "'Blind sysadmins list'" Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Asterisk Thanks for the reply. Well, I use to manage a network for the local Emergency Management and E-911 center. I am pretty good at troubleshooting most network issues. When I took the class I just finished to brush up my skills I used the Cisco 1841 and 2650T switches. As far as my asterisk goes. I am running it on a dedicated cPanel/WHM server. I have the main parts working now with a demo of the web interface from Third Lane. However, I think it costs way too much and if I can get another web interface to install in conjuction with cPanel that would be great. I made several calls on my system and monitored system resources and it seems my server will handle the task just fine. I have a general idea of the files but I want a better graphical sense of things just to keep it less confusing as I am still somewhat visual. Any ideas? Best Regards, Billy L. Irwin Irwin Communications Services 1826B Prospect Drive Charlotte, NC 28213 P: 704-899-5928 Charlotte, NC P: 864-649-9032 Gaffney, SC C: 864-809-9620 Spartanburg, SC www.railhost.us / www.scguru.com / www.gspskywarn.org -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 9:08 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Asterisk Nice another routing and switching guy! So I'm an asterisk user and got tons of help from this list and from the mobile access list. The big deal is to learn the extensions.conf file and the different configurations for the services. Google for example extensions.conf and you should get some great examples. Let me know if you have any specific questions. What kind of routing and switching do you work on? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Billy L. Irwin" To: "'Blind sysadmins list'" Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 6:59 AM Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Asterisk Hi All, I am running Asterisk 1.4 successfully on CentOS 5.5. Can anyone point me to some accessible resources to learn how to configure this beast? I am confident I can figure it out as I am well versed in Cisco routers and switches. Best Regards, Billy L. Irwin Irwin Communications Services 1826B Prospect Drive Charlotte, NC 28213 P: 704-899-5928 Charlotte, NC P: 864-649-9032 Gaffney, SC C: 864-809-9620 Spartanburg, SC www.railhost.us / www.scguru.com / www.gspskywarn.org -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ben Mustill-Rose Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 8:28 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows XP unattended install and SATA drives A couple of things spring to mind here. Go to http://www.driverpacks.net Download the base and install it. Next, download the mass storige driver pack which contains drivers for most of the sata controlers in existance. Copy the unextracted file into the driverpacks folder that installing the base created. Copy your xp disk someware writable and run the base. You can more or less skip through the screens; just point the base to your xp install and tick the box for mass storige. After that, instead of clicking next or > as it sometimes shows up as, just click slipstream. Note that this will overwrite your winnt.sif, so make sure that you have a backup copy - the only important thing that it does is adds a entry in the gui run once section which you can just copy & paste into the original sif but it's not really needed. Make an iso from the modified xp install and burn it to cd. You should now be able to see the sata drive. However, to put a spanner in the works, the xp installer can have a bit of a stress on some newer chipsets / sata controlers even if you have slipstreamed the drivers. If your finding that your getting blue screens in the install, go into the bios, look for something called ahci and enable it. Hth. On 22/05/2010, Jackie McBride wrote:

Also, I forgot to mention that if u have the drivers, download them to a folder on your hd, then use NLite for your unattended.

On 5/21/10, Jackie McBride wrote:

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Frank, get some sighted help, go into bios, & make sure that ide mode is set as the type of emulation. Since bioses vary widely, I can't tell u precisely where to go--you'll just have to poke around a bit.

On 5/21/10, Billy L. Irwin wrote:

...

I think you will have to go through the vendor of the SATA controller to do that. SATA was sorta new when XP came out.

Best Regards,

Billy L. Irwin Irwin Communications Services 1826B Prospect Drive Charlotte, NC 28213 P: 704-899-5928 Charlotte, NC P: 864-649-9032 Gaffney, SC C: 864-809-9620 Spartanburg, SC www.railhost.us / www.scguru.com / www.gspskywarn.org

-----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 6:20 PM To: matt.bsa@wh1t3.net; Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows XP unattended install and SATA drives

Hi all I am trying to do an unattended XP Pro install onto an Lenovo T61 and the Windows setup program does not recognize the SATA hard drive. Is there any generic SATA drivers I can get that I can slipstream into my install CD to get it to work? Thanks Frank

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The command is: net stop JFWService Octavian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Ventura" To: "Blind sysadmins list" Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 11:43 PM Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] A script to stop JFW

Hi all, I need a script to shut down the JFW service. We have a computer that runs JFW 10 as a startup service. For one user we need a script that they can run automatically to kill JFW. I have been told that one can be created using the NET STOP command. Not being a scripter I don't know the syntax. Can anyone create me a script to shut down JFW running as a service. I would greatly appreciate it if anyone could attach it to me at frank.ventura@littlebreezes.com Thanks Frank

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Thanks, that was very helpful. I think I got it to work. Frank -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ben Mustill-Rose Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 5:39 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] A script to stop JFW Something like: --script starts here-- @echo off cls net stop JFWService pause --script ends here-- Saving this as a .bat file in notepad will work, although make sure that you save it as filename.bat as apposed to filename.bat.txt. If you want the script to exit automaticly, just deleet the pause line. Hth. On 25/06/2010, Octavian Rasnita wrote:

The command is:

net stop JFWService

Octavian

----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Ventura" To: "Blind sysadmins list" Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 11:43 PM Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] A script to stop JFW

...

Hi all, I need a script to shut down the JFW service. We have a computer that runs JFW 10 as a startup service. For one user we need a script that they can run automatically to kill JFW. I have been told that one can be created using the NET STOP command. Not being a scripter I don't know the syntax. Can anyone create me a script to shut down JFW running as a service. I would greatly appreciate it if anyone could attach it to me at frank.ventura@littlebreezes.com Thanks Frank

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Just use driverpacks.net to integrate a large number of sata drivers into your xp installer. On 26/08/2010, Frank Ventura wrote:

Thaks, does anyone have a good source for XP SATA drivers if I don't know who made the controller? Tia Frank

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Also, I forgot to mention that if u have the drivers, download them to a folder on your hd, then use NLite for your unattended.

On 5/21/10, Jackie McBride wrote:

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Frank, get some sighted help, go into bios, & make sure that ide mode is set as the type of emulation. Since bioses vary widely, I can't tell u precisely where to go--you'll just have to poke around a bit.

On 5/21/10, Billy L. Irwin wrote:

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I think you will have to go through the vendor of the SATA controller

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to do that. SATA was sorta new when XP came out.

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Frank Ventura Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 6:20 PM To: matt.bsa@wh1t3.net; Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Windows XP unattended install and SATA drives

Hi all I am trying to do an unattended XP Pro install onto an Lenovo T61 and the Windows setup program does not recognize the SATA hard drive. Is there any generic SATA drivers I can get that I can slipstream into my install CD to get it to work? Thanks Frank

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The best idea I came up with on my own if I ever get rid of a hard drive, if I wasn't going to just microwave it, drill it, shoot it, etc, would be to hit it with several passes of linux's /dev/random. From what Steve Gipson said about data recovery companies being able to just use more powerful read heads and subtract 0's to find the remaining data at a lower strength would be foiled because if they don't know the random data, what would they subtract from what they receive? If you did 3 or 4 passes of it or maybe a few more for good measure, if that thing doesn't have a pattern, the data would be so far down in the noise that hopefully technology doesn't exist to get it out. This is a big thing because I heard a few weeks ago that most copiers are storing everything photocopied on hard drives, and people part them out and sell them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G. Heim" To: ; "Blind sysadmins list" Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] data format.

The last time I saw this topic on a linux discussion list, the recommendation was to take the platter out and shoot it with a shotgun. According to the guy who wrote the post, it had the advantage of requiring no special tools. As if everyone has a shotgun.

Anyway, Ibraam asked how to destroy a drive so that even the military couldn't recover the data. I think its important to point out that only the military would know that for sure and they're not likely to say. So if you really want to be as sure as you can be, I'd first wipe the drive with dd and then also severely physically damage the platter with something like a shotgun, hammer, blow torch, or hacksaw.

Linux also has a wipe command that does a more scientific job of wiping a disk than the dd command I gave earlier. If you're not worried about the CIA getting ahold of your drive, I think using wipe or just doing the dd command a few times will be sufficient. If you're just selling a drive on ebay, you can use wipe or dd.

----- Original Message ----- From: "White, Matt" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] data format.

I do not believe that DD will address the reserve block area of the drive; the OS is not aware of this area (this is true of Linux as well as Windows).

The best way to wipe a drive permanently is to cut up the platters--physically destroy the drive. Check out this PDF for more information on levels of data destruction.

+http://cmr r.ucsd.edu/people/Hughes/CmrrSecureEraseProtocols.pdf

On Tue, May 18, 2010 09:22, John G. Heim wrote:

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I do not know. Where is that information kept?

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Mustill-Rose" To: "Blind sysadmins list" Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 3:38 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] data format.

Thanks for this John, considder this linux newbe enlightened.

Would you happen to know if this command ignores feedback from the drive in regards to what blocks are considdered bad or not? Each drive has a g list containing a list of bad blocks, which are more often than not invisible to the end user or any software unless they start issuing ata commands to the drive to expose it. The problem being is that some formatting programs also skip these bad blocks, when in actual fact, they can still contain data.

Ben.

On 18/05/2010, John G. Heim wrote:

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This is a frequently asked question on linux lists. It usually generates quite a bit of debate because the military doesn't usually tell people what they can do so you can only speculate on what it would take to destroy the data so that even the military can't recover it. Certainly, if you destroy the platter physically by doing something like hitting it with a hammer, that should do it.

But most people believe that just wiping the disk a dozen or so times will do it. You can do that with the dd command lie this:

Dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/sda

That's if your disk is a sata drive. For IDE drives, the command would be:

Dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/had

Those commands write random digits over the entire drive, wiping out the boot sector, partition table, and all data. You would have to do that several times because the read/write heads might not line up exactly right to destroy every single bit if you do it just once.

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hello matt: what's HDErase? site to download? or use this command: Dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/sda mail me please. thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: White, Matt To: Blind sysadmins list Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] data format. That is essentially what HDErase does. Where I work now (federal government), all laptops drives employ full disk encryption. We still do a 3-pass wipe on anything that gets surplused but it would be extremely difficult (dare I say nearly impossible) to recover any data from a drive in this situation--unless you had the encryption key and the types of tools CIA, NSA, computer forensics types have at their disposal. I now use Truecrypt on my personal laptop and intend to do the same with my desktops as well. Matt On Tue, May 18, 2010 12:10, Brent Harding wrote:

The best idea I came up with on my own if I ever get rid of a hard drive, if I wasn't going to just microwave it, drill it, shoot it, etc, would be to hit it with several passes of linux's /dev/random. From what Steve Gipson said about data recovery companies being able to just use more powerful read heads and subtract 0's to find the remaining data at a lower strength would be foiled because if they don't know the random data, what would they subtract from what they receive? If you did 3 or 4 passes of it or maybe a few more for good measure, if that thing doesn't have a pattern, the data would be so far down in the noise that hopefully technology doesn't exist to get it out. This is a big thing because I heard a few weeks ago that most copiers are storing everything photocopied on hard drives, and people part them out and sell them.

----- Original Message ----- From: "John G. Heim" To: ; "Blind sysadmins list" Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] data format.

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The last time I saw this topic on a linux discussion list, the recommendation was to take the platter out and shoot it with a shotgun. According to the guy who wrote the post, it had the advantage of requiring no special tools. As if everyone has a shotgun.

Anyway, Ibraam asked how to destroy a drive so that even the military couldn't recover the data. I think its important to point out that only the military would know that for sure and they're not likely to say. So if you really want to be as sure as you can be, I'd first wipe the drive with dd and then also severely physically damage the platter with something like a shotgun, hammer, blow torch, or hacksaw.

Linux also has a wipe command that does a more scientific job of wiping a disk than the dd command I gave earlier. If you're not worried about the CIA getting ahold of your drive, I think using wipe or just doing the dd command a few times will be sufficient. If you're just selling a drive on ebay, you can use wipe or dd.

----- Original Message ----- From: "White, Matt" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] data format.

I do not believe that DD will address the reserve block area of the drive; the OS is not aware of this area (this is true of Linux as well as Windows).

The best way to wipe a drive permanently is to cut up the platters--physically destroy the drive. Check out this PDF for more information on levels of data destruction.

+http://cmr r.ucsd.edu/people/Hughes/CmrrSecureEraseProtocols.pdf

On Tue, May 18, 2010 09:22, John G. Heim wrote:

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I do not know. Where is that information kept?

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Mustill-Rose" To: "Blind sysadmins list" Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 3:38 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] data format.

Thanks for this John, considder this linux newbe enlightened.

Would you happen to know if this command ignores feedback from the drive in regards to what blocks are considdered bad or not? Each drive has a g list containing a list of bad blocks, which are more often than not invisible to the end user or any software unless they start issuing ata commands to the drive to expose it. The problem being is that some formatting programs also skip these bad blocks, when in actual fact, they can still contain data.

Ben.

On 18/05/2010, John G. Heim wrote:

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This is a frequently asked question on linux lists. It usually generates quite a bit of debate because the military doesn't usually tell people what they can do so you can only speculate on what it would take to destroy the data so that even the military can't recover it. Certainly, if you destroy the platter physically by doing something like hitting it with a hammer, that should do it.

But most people believe that just wiping the disk a dozen or so times will do it. You can do that with the dd command lie this:

Dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/sda

That's if your disk is a sata drive. For IDE drives, the command would be:

Dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/had

Those commands write random digits over the entire drive, wiping out the boot sector, partition table, and all data. You would have to do that several times because the read/write heads might not line up exactly right to destroy every single bit if you do it just once.

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That is essentially what HDErase does. Where I work now (federal government), all laptops drives employ full disk encryption. We still do a 3-pass wipe on anything that gets surplused but it would be extremely difficult (dare I say nearly impossible) to recover any data from a drive in this situation--unless you had the encryption key and the types of tools CIA, NSA, computer forensics types have at their disposal. I now use Truecrypt on my personal laptop and intend to do the same with my desktops as well. Matt On Tue, May 18, 2010 12:10, Brent Harding wrote:

The best idea I came up with on my own if I ever get rid of a hard drive, if I wasn't going to just microwave it, drill it, shoot it, etc, would be to hit it with several passes of linux's /dev/random. From what Steve Gipson said about data recovery companies being able to just use more powerful read heads and subtract 0's to find the remaining data at a lower strength would be foiled because if they don't know the random data, what would they subtract from what they receive? If you did 3 or 4 passes of it or maybe a few more for good measure, if that thing doesn't have a pattern, the data would be so far down in the noise that hopefully technology doesn't exist to get it out. This is a big thing because I heard a few weeks ago that most copiers are storing everything photocopied on hard drives, and people part them out and sell them.

----- Original Message ----- From: "John G. Heim" To: ; "Blind sysadmins list" Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] data format.

...

The last time I saw this topic on a linux discussion list, the recommendation was to take the platter out and shoot it with a shotgun. According to the guy who wrote the post, it had the advantage of requiring no special tools. As if everyone has a shotgun.

Anyway, Ibraam asked how to destroy a drive so that even the military couldn't recover the data. I think its important to point out that only the military would know that for sure and they're not likely to say. So if you really want to be as sure as you can be, I'd first wipe the drive with dd and then also severely physically damage the platter with something like a shotgun, hammer, blow torch, or hacksaw.

Linux also has a wipe command that does a more scientific job of wiping a disk than the dd command I gave earlier. If you're not worried about the CIA getting ahold of your drive, I think using wipe or just doing the dd command a few times will be sufficient. If you're just selling a drive on ebay, you can use wipe or dd.

----- Original Message ----- From: "White, Matt" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] data format.

I do not believe that DD will address the reserve block area of the drive; the OS is not aware of this area (this is true of Linux as well as Windows).

The best way to wipe a drive permanently is to cut up the platters--physically destroy the drive. Check out this PDF for more information on levels of data destruction.

+http://cmr r.ucsd.edu/people/Hughes/CmrrSecureEraseProtocols.pdf

On Tue, May 18, 2010 09:22, John G. Heim wrote:

...

I do not know. Where is that information kept?

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Mustill-Rose" To: "Blind sysadmins list" Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 3:38 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] data format.

Thanks for this John, considder this linux newbe enlightened.

Would you happen to know if this command ignores feedback from the drive in regards to what blocks are considdered bad or not? Each drive has a g list containing a list of bad blocks, which are more often than not invisible to the end user or any software unless they start issuing ata commands to the drive to expose it. The problem being is that some formatting programs also skip these bad blocks, when in actual fact, they can still contain data.

Ben.

On 18/05/2010, John G. Heim wrote:

...

This is a frequently asked question on linux lists. It usually generates quite a bit of debate because the military doesn't usually tell people what they can do so you can only speculate on what it would take to destroy the data so that even the military can't recover it. Certainly, if you destroy the platter physically by doing something like hitting it with a hammer, that should do it.

But most people believe that just wiping the disk a dozen or so times will do it. You can do that with the dd command lie this:

Dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/sda

That's if your disk is a sata drive. For IDE drives, the command would be:

Dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/had

Those commands write random digits over the entire drive, wiping out the boot sector, partition table, and all data. You would have to do that several times because the read/write heads might not line up exactly right to destroy every single bit if you do it just once.

-----Original Message----- .From: "Ibraam Wahib" .Sent: 5/17/10 4:38:19 AM .To: "Blind sysadmins list" .Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] data format. . .hello friends: .need quick help please, .how can I format a hard disk which can not be recovered forever by any means? )data destroyed( .the hard was have windows format then formatted and now have Linux, I need to delete all partitions and delete any data to be unusable anymore even via military means. .can we do this? .for further information contact me off list. .thanks .ibraam ._______________________________________________ .Blind-sysadmins mailing list .Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org .http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-sysadmins .

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