Mika, While working as a sys admin, I used group policy to centrally deploy Jaws onto 2000 computers. When we started using SCCCM, I moved to using that instead. The problem is when your not a sys admin on a domain. Users like myself who need to connect to an unlimited number of computers across the globe have no alternative but to use NVDA and teamviewer or something similar but please don't think this is a workable or viable option. I hate when this is pronounced to be a remote access solution because really it's not. Until someone makes a screen reader like NVDA pipe speech to the local synthesizer there is absolutely no good way of remotely deploying then remotely accessing a computer as a blind person. What I want is a small application. Basically a screen reader but with a lot stripped out such as the synthesizer, braille drivers etc. I want this to be installed on computers where remote access is needed only. It should install in seconds and be very small to download. When access remotely via something like teamviewer, I should be able to launch this mini screen reader and get speech piped through some kind of channel to the local synthesizer. The end-user has absolutely no idea I'm using a screen reader, It doesn't slow me down when I initially need to connect on and it just works. Plain and simple. Until I get that I will be very unhappy with all the screen reader manufacturors because I firmly believe this kind of functionality is attainable given the will to do it. No effence to Barry or anyone who is effectively using Teamviewer and NVDA. It obviously works for him, however, again, and no effence intended, the people who work with Barry know he's blind. The people I speak to regularly are processing million euro transactions using the software that I help to write. I'm sorry if this seems silly or narrow minded but I don't need the head ache that one of them will lose faith in what I can provide to their company even for a short time because they find out I'm blind. I don't want that to enter into our professional relationship until they actually get to know me. I have customers that I've been deeling with for a while and sometimes, it has come up in conversation but I don't make it obvious. I need a screen reader to respect and actually even promote this. Again, no efence to Barry or anyone else. When I was a sys admin, the majority of users knew I wouldn't be able to see their screens and they worked with that but they were in the same company. Compared to deeling with a customer who is worth a lot of money to my company, this isn't as pressured in my experience. I hope this goes some way toward explaining where I'm coming from. Darragh -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Mika Pyyhkala Sent: 13 June 2014 21:57 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] teamviewer and passing keystrokes to remote side Darra, What do you think is the best and most efficient way to access a remote pc, i.e. if a blind admin needs to modify a colleagues computer? It sounds like installing an unobtrusive screen reader on the client is what your saying is the best way? Would any sort of thumb drive version of NVDA fit the bill for this? I have installed Jaws on remote computers before but it is a bit time consuming and at least the way I have done it it has required the remote pc be rebooted. Best, Mika -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Darragh Ó Héiligh Sent: Friday, June 13, 2014 4:51 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] teamviewer and passing keystrokes to remote side Curtis, I'm really sorry if this comes across bluntly but yes. Of course you do. How else do you expect any screen reader to read the contents of the remote PC's UI. Teamviewer in my opinion is usable but only if you have the patience of a saint. A really really fecken patient saint at that. It brings a whole new meaning to laggy! It's torturous! Also, the control key never works for me to shut up speech. There is no good way of accessing a remote PC that doesn't currently have a screen reader on it. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of curtis jackson Sent: 13 June 2014 21:17 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] teamviewer and passing keystrokes to remote side also does nvda have to be installed on the remote computer for this to work Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 13, 2014, at 9:35 AM, Barry Toner wrote:

Hi,

I posted a couple of weeks ago regarding this.

Quit your local screen reader, then this free's up the numpad and the other SR keystrokes.

To get back into local ctrl, alt t for local lock screen, alt t for task manager, then Win Key m to get you onto yoru desktop. Next fire up your screen reader by hitting WinKey plus r, and in my case type NVDA, and thump return. Careful when alt tabbing not to get stuck back in TV. Yes it's faffy, but it works if you need to use TV.

TV isnt' true remote access for us with a decent performance because it's not pasing audio directly, but because I found RIM utterly rubbish and needed a way to access PC's unattended I went for TV and I manage around 35 PC's and 20 laptops spread out over the country solo with this.

Barry.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Brian Moore Sent: 13 June 2014 15:15 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] teamviewer and passing keystrokes to remote side

HI all. Considering giving up rim in favour of team viewer for remote controling computers. Rim is expensive and has some pretty serious issues if the remote end has another screen reader running, particularly jaws.

However, I have a few questions.

1. how do I pass screen reader key strokes to the remote side. typically, this will be nvda key strokes. I must be missing something because even when I execute nvda commands in the remote window, they are acted upon locally.

2. I can not figure out how to end a session with a keyboard.

Does anyone do this regularly? if so, wouldn't mind chatting via skype or something and actually experimenting a bit to get this right. thanks for any ideas. Brian.

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Hello, Jumping in on this topic, here's my situation. I'm at my place with my computer, it's win7 x64. I've got jaws and NVDA on it as screen readers. Now my problem is I'm wanting to access remotely and by remotely I mean the computer is about 200 miles/kilometers away give or take. It's the furthest box I'd need to access, but they do know I'm blind, so that's not a problem. Which solution like a rim solution or NVDA/rdp would be best for this? Regarding the discussion of the stripped down NVDA whose only purpose is to pipe output to a remote computer, I can see several ways of deploying that, is something like that in the works? Thanks. Dave. On 6/13/14, Mika Pyyhkala wrote:

Hi Darra,

Yes, thanks for explaining where you are coming from, and also I was looking for the best solution to use myself working on client systems in one company and possibly remotely.

We just did an SCCM 2012 deployment so if you have any information on how to setup a Jaws package that would be great. I know FS provides some command lines but it was not clear how to get an MSI if that is the best way to set it up as an SCCM package. We have about 650 desktop systems here.

So other than Jaws, it appears that NVDA with TeamViewer or RDP is the best solution even though as you note it has its issues?

Best, Mika

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Darragh Ó Héiligh Sent: Friday, June 13, 2014 5:05 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] teamviewer and passing keystrokes to remote side

Mika,

While working as a sys admin, I used group policy to centrally deploy Jaws onto 2000 computers. When we started using SCCCM, I moved to using that instead.

The problem is when your not a sys admin on a domain. Users like myself who need to connect to an unlimited number of computers across the globe have no alternative but to use NVDA and teamviewer or something similar but please don't think this is a workable or viable option. I hate when this is pronounced to be a remote access solution because really it's not. Until someone makes a screen reader like NVDA pipe speech to the local synthesizer there is absolutely no good way of remotely deploying then remotely accessing a computer as a blind person.

What I want is a small application. Basically a screen reader but with a lot stripped out such as the synthesizer, braille drivers etc. I want this to be installed on computers where remote access is needed only. It should install in seconds and be very small to download. When access remotely via something like teamviewer, I should be able to launch this mini screen reader and get speech piped through some kind of channel to the local synthesizer.

The end-user has absolutely no idea I'm using a screen reader, It doesn't slow me down when I initially need to connect on and it just works. Plain and simple. Until I get that I will be very unhappy with all the screen reader manufacturors because I firmly believe this kind of functionality is attainable given the will to do it.

No effence to Barry or anyone who is effectively using Teamviewer and NVDA. It obviously works for him, however, again, and no effence intended, the people who work with Barry know he's blind. The people I speak to regularly are processing million euro transactions using the software that I help to write. I'm sorry if this seems silly or narrow minded but I don't need the head ache that one of them will lose faith in what I can provide to their company even for a short time because they find out I'm blind. I don't want that to enter into our professional relationship until they actually get to know me. I have customers that I've been deeling with for a while and sometimes, it has come up in conversation but I don't make it obvious. I need a screen reader to respect and actually even promote this. Again, no efence to Barry or anyone else. When I was a sys admin, the majority of users knew I wouldn't be able to see their screens and they worked with that but they were in the same company. Compared to deeling with a customer who is worth a lot of money to my company, this isn't as pressured in my experience.

I hope this goes some way toward explaining where I'm coming from.

Darragh

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Mika Pyyhkala Sent: 13 June 2014 21:57 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] teamviewer and passing keystrokes to remote side

Darra,

What do you think is the best and most efficient way to access a remote pc, i.e. if a blind admin needs to modify a colleagues computer?

It sounds like installing an unobtrusive screen reader on the client is what your saying is the best way? Would any sort of thumb drive version of NVDA fit the bill for this?

I have installed Jaws on remote computers before but it is a bit time consuming and at least the way I have done it it has required the remote pc be rebooted.

Best, Mika

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Darragh Ó Héiligh Sent: Friday, June 13, 2014 4:51 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] teamviewer and passing keystrokes to remote side

Curtis, I'm really sorry if this comes across bluntly but yes. Of course you do. How else do you expect any screen reader to read the contents of the remote PC's UI.

Teamviewer in my opinion is usable but only if you have the patience of a saint. A really really fecken patient saint at that.

It brings a whole new meaning to laggy!

It's torturous!

Also, the control key never works for me to shut up speech.

There is no good way of accessing a remote PC that doesn't currently have a screen reader on it.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of curtis jackson Sent: 13 June 2014 21:17 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] teamviewer and passing keystrokes to remote side

also does nvda have to be installed on the remote computer for this to work

Sent from my iPhone

...

On Jun 13, 2014, at 9:35 AM, Barry Toner wrote:

Hi,

I posted a couple of weeks ago regarding this.

Quit your local screen reader, then this free's up the numpad and the other SR keystrokes.

To get back into local ctrl, alt t for local lock screen, alt t for task manager, then Win Key m to get you onto yoru desktop. Next fire up your screen reader by hitting WinKey plus r, and in my case type NVDA, and thump return. Careful when alt tabbing not to get stuck back in TV. Yes it's faffy, but it works if you need to use TV.

TV isnt' true remote access for us with a decent performance because it's not pasing audio directly, but because I found RIM utterly rubbish and needed a way to access PC's unattended I went for TV and I manage around 35 PC's and 20 laptops spread out over the country solo with this.

Barry.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Brian Moore Sent: 13 June 2014 15:15 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] teamviewer and passing keystrokes to remote side

HI all. Considering giving up rim in favour of team viewer for remote controling computers. Rim is expensive and has some pretty serious issues if the remote end has another screen reader running, particularly jaws.

However, I have a few questions.

1. how do I pass screen reader key strokes to the remote side. typically, this will be nvda key strokes. I must be missing something because even when I execute nvda commands in the remote window, they are acted upon locally.

2. I can not figure out how to end a session with a keyboard.

Does anyone do this regularly? if so, wouldn't mind chatting via skype or something and actually experimenting a bit to get this right. thanks for any ideas. Brian.

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Mika, While working as a sys admin, I used group policy to centrally deploy Jaws onto 2000 computers. When we started using SCCCM, I moved to using that instead. The problem is when your not a sys admin on a domain. Users like myself who need to connect to an unlimited number of computers across the globe have no alternative but to use NVDA and teamviewer or something similar but please don't think this is a workable or viable option. I hate when this is pronounced to be a remote access solution because really it's not. Until someone makes a screen reader like NVDA pipe speech to the local synthesizer there is absolutely no good way of remotely deploying then remotely accessing a computer as a blind person. What I want is a small application. Basically a screen reader but with a lot stripped out such as the synthesizer, braille drivers etc. I want this to be installed on computers where remote access is needed only. It should install in seconds and be very small to download. When access remotely via something like teamviewer, I should be able to launch this mini screen reader and get speech piped through some kind of channel to the local synthesizer. The end-user has absolutely no idea I'm using a screen reader, It doesn't slow me down when I initially need to connect on and it just works. Plain and simple. Until I get that I will be very unhappy with all the screen reader manufacturors because I firmly believe this kind of functionality is attainable given the will to do it. No effence to Barry or anyone who is effectively using Teamviewer and NVDA. It obviously works for him, however, again, and no effence intended, the people who work with Barry know he's blind. The people I speak to regularly are processing million euro transactions using the software that I help to write. I'm sorry if this seems silly or narrow minded but I don't need the head ache that one of them will lose faith in what I can provide to their company even for a short time because they find out I'm blind. I don't want that to enter into our professional relationship until they actually get to know me. I have customers that I've been deeling with for a while and sometimes, it has come up in conversation but I don't make it obvious. I need a screen reader to respect and actually even promote this. Again, no efence to Barry or anyone else. When I was a sys admin, the majority of users knew I wouldn't be able to see their screens and they worked with that but they were in the same company. Compared to deeling with a customer who is worth a lot of money to my company, this isn't as pressured in my experience. I hope this goes some way toward explaining where I'm coming from. Darragh -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Mika Pyyhkala Sent: 13 June 2014 21:57 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] teamviewer and passing keystrokes to remote side Darra, What do you think is the best and most efficient way to access a remote pc, i.e. if a blind admin needs to modify a colleagues computer? It sounds like installing an unobtrusive screen reader on the client is what your saying is the best way? Would any sort of thumb drive version of NVDA fit the bill for this? I have installed Jaws on remote computers before but it is a bit time consuming and at least the way I have done it it has required the remote pc be rebooted. Best, Mika -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Darragh Ó Héiligh Sent: Friday, June 13, 2014 4:51 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] teamviewer and passing keystrokes to remote side Curtis, I'm really sorry if this comes across bluntly but yes. Of course you do. How else do you expect any screen reader to read the contents of the remote PC's UI. Teamviewer in my opinion is usable but only if you have the patience of a saint. A really really fecken patient saint at that. It brings a whole new meaning to laggy! It's torturous! Also, the control key never works for me to shut up speech. There is no good way of accessing a remote PC that doesn't currently have a screen reader on it. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of curtis jackson Sent: 13 June 2014 21:17 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] teamviewer and passing keystrokes to remote side also does nvda have to be installed on the remote computer for this to work Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 13, 2014, at 9:35 AM, Barry Toner wrote:

Hi,

I posted a couple of weeks ago regarding this.

Quit your local screen reader, then this free's up the numpad and the other SR keystrokes.

To get back into local ctrl, alt t for local lock screen, alt t for task manager, then Win Key m to get you onto yoru desktop. Next fire up your screen reader by hitting WinKey plus r, and in my case type NVDA, and thump return. Careful when alt tabbing not to get stuck back in TV. Yes it's faffy, but it works if you need to use TV.

TV isnt' true remote access for us with a decent performance because it's not pasing audio directly, but because I found RIM utterly rubbish and needed a way to access PC's unattended I went for TV and I manage around 35 PC's and 20 laptops spread out over the country solo with this.

Barry.

-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Brian Moore Sent: 13 June 2014 15:15 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] teamviewer and passing keystrokes to remote side

HI all. Considering giving up rim in favour of team viewer for remote controling computers. Rim is expensive and has some pretty serious issues if the remote end has another screen reader running, particularly jaws.

However, I have a few questions.

1. how do I pass screen reader key strokes to the remote side. typically, this will be nvda key strokes. I must be missing something because even when I execute nvda commands in the remote window, they are acted upon locally.

2. I can not figure out how to end a session with a keyboard.

Does anyone do this regularly? if so, wouldn't mind chatting via skype or something and actually experimenting a bit to get this right. thanks for any ideas. Brian.

-- Contact me on skype: brian.moore follow me on twitter: http://www.twitter.com/bmoore123

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