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Luke Scholey

29 Sep 2021 29 Sep '21

7:50 p.m.

Hello All

...

Hope you’re well.

I’m half way through a degree with the Open University and as part of that I am completing the CCNA course from Cisco.

This course includes using labs in the network simulator software Packet Tracer. sadly, as far as I can tell, this is a drag-and-drop interface and isn’t usable enough with a screen reader for me to complete the labs independently.

Does anyone know of a solution or work around to this? Has anyone ever done the CCNA before that can give me any advice? The NetAcad content itself is mostly fine, and in my opinion, works best with NVDA, it’s just the labs that are causing me problems. And of course, what with everything still be in virtual, I don’t think there is a possibility of me being able to physically complete the labs with Cisco equipment and instructors.

Thanks for any help you can give. Kind regards Luke

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Hi Luke, If I remember correctly, Packet Tracer use to have a check box to enable screen reading mode, but I never messed with it back then as I was a high partial and had access to my own lab. If you are really wanting to get good at it, I recommend the hands on approach vs. virtual as you will learn where the physical cables attach and get a better grip on what it is you are doing. You can find these labs on Ebay completely assembled with all cables and everything you need for CCNA, CCNP, and CCIE. I am now primarily a JAWS/NVDA user. I will share that you wont have any trouble doing the work as I do it in a really large environment. I also do consulting gigs for government agencies such as a recent long distance microwave network. If I can be of any further assistance, please feel free to let me know. Best, Billy L. Irwin Sr. Network Technician Clemson University -----Original Message----- From: Luke Scholey via Blind-sysadmins Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 3:50 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Cc: Luke Scholey Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Cisco NetAcad Labs - Packet Tracer accessibility Hello All

...

Hope you’re well.

I’m half way through a degree with the Open University and as part of that I am completing the CCNA course from Cisco.

This course includes using labs in the network simulator software Packet Tracer. sadly, as far as I can tell, this is a drag-and-drop interface and isn’t usable enough with a screen reader for me to complete the labs independently.

Does anyone know of a solution or work around to this? Has anyone ever done the CCNA before that can give me any advice? The NetAcad content itself is mostly fine, and in my opinion, works best with NVDA, it’s just the labs that are causing me problems. And of course, what with everything still be in virtual, I don’t think there is a possibility of me being able to physically complete the labs with Cisco equipment and instructors.

Thanks for any help you can give. Kind regards Luke

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Luke Scholey

8:17 p.m.

Hi Billy Thanks for that info. I agree, the best way is to have the physical equipment in front of me, as in the real world. If no other solutions are found that might be the option I go with. I’m glad you don’t think I’ll have any problems in the industry, that’s one of the reasons it is attractive to me, because especially with the Cisco stuff it’s all CLI based. Unfortunately, I can’t seem to find the screen reader mode switch, we’re on Packet Tracer V8 now. I’m hoping they haven’t removed it. All the best Luke

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On 29 Sep 2021, at 21:02, Billy Irwin wrote:

Hi Luke,

If I remember correctly, Packet Tracer use to have a check box to enable screen reading mode, but I never messed with it back then as I was a high partial and had access to my own lab. If you are really wanting to get good at it, I recommend the hands on approach vs. virtual as you will learn where the physical cables attach and get a better grip on what it is you are doing. You can find these labs on Ebay completely assembled with all cables and everything you need for CCNA, CCNP, and CCIE. I am now primarily a JAWS/NVDA user.

I will share that you wont have any trouble doing the work as I do it in a really large environment. I also do consulting gigs for government agencies such as a recent long distance microwave network.

If I can be of any further assistance, please feel free to let me know.

Best,

Billy L. Irwin Sr. Network Technician Clemson University

-----Original Message----- From: Luke Scholey via Blind-sysadmins Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 3:50 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Cc: Luke Scholey Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Cisco NetAcad Labs - Packet Tracer accessibility

Hello All

...
Hope you’re well.

I’m half way through a degree with the Open University and as part of that I am completing the CCNA course from Cisco.

This course includes using labs in the network simulator software Packet Tracer. sadly, as far as I can tell, this is a drag-and-drop interface and isn’t usable enough with a screen reader for me to complete the labs independently.

Does anyone know of a solution or work around to this? Has anyone ever done the CCNA before that can give me any advice? The NetAcad content itself is mostly fine, and in my opinion, works best with NVDA, it’s just the labs that are causing me problems. And of course, what with everything still be in virtual, I don’t think there is a possibility of me being able to physically complete the labs with Cisco equipment and instructors.

Thanks for any help you can give. Kind regards Luke

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Jackie McBride

8:19 p.m.

Luke, packet tracer has never been accessible. Try Wireshark (TShark, I believe, is the cli equivalent). TCPDump can also be used. On 9/29/21, Luke Scholey via Blind-sysadmins wrote:

...

Hello All

...
Hope you’re well.

I’m half way through a degree with the Open University and as part of that I am completing the CCNA course from Cisco.

This course includes using labs in the network simulator software Packet Tracer. sadly, as far as I can tell, this is a drag-and-drop interface and isn’t usable enough with a screen reader for me to complete the labs independently.

Does anyone know of a solution or work around to this? Has anyone ever done the CCNA before that can give me any advice? The NetAcad content itself is mostly fine, and in my opinion, works best with NVDA, it’s just the labs that are causing me problems. And of course, what with everything still be in virtual, I don’t think there is a possibility of me being able to physically complete the labs with Cisco equipment and instructors.

Thanks for any help you can give. Kind regards Luke

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Jackie McBride

8:24 p.m.

Let me amend my statement re: Packet Tracer. When I taught at CAVI--which has been a very long time ago now--it was not accessible. If they ever implemented changes since then to make it so, I am unaware, which says absolutely nothing. The tools I mentioned should help. Wireshark is pretty dicey accessibility wise, but its cli counterpart, TShark, should work well for you, & they have improved Wireshark's accessibility somewhat. On 9/29/21, Jackie McBride wrote:

...

Luke, packet tracer has never been accessible. Try Wireshark (TShark, I believe, is the cli equivalent). TCPDump can also be used.

On 9/29/21, Luke Scholey via Blind-sysadmins wrote:

...
Hello All

...
Hope you’re well.

I’m half way through a degree with the Open University and as part of that I am completing the CCNA course from Cisco.

This course includes using labs in the network simulator software Packet Tracer. sadly, as far as I can tell, this is a drag-and-drop interface and isn’t usable enough with a screen reader for me to complete the labs independently.

Does anyone know of a solution or work around to this? Has anyone ever done the CCNA before that can give me any advice? The NetAcad content itself is mostly fine, and in my opinion, works best with NVDA, it’s just the labs that are causing me problems. And of course, what with everything still be in virtual, I don’t think there is a possibility of me being able to physically complete the labs with Cisco equipment and instructors.

Thanks for any help you can give. Kind regards Luke

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Luke Scholey

8:33 p.m.

Hi Jackie That’s really helpful info, thanks. Do you think I’d be able to use Wireshark in the context of the CCNA course though? The labs from Cisco are specifically designed for packet Tracer and I’m not sure whether I’d be allowed, even if it were possible, to convert the lab activities into alternative form that would make use of wireshark. I’ll enquire about that, and see what happens. All the best Luke

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On 29 Sep 2021, at 21:24, Jackie McBride wrote:

Let me amend my statement re: Packet Tracer. When I taught at CAVI--which has been a very long time ago now--it was not accessible. If they ever implemented changes since then to make it so, I am unaware, which says absolutely nothing. The tools I mentioned should help. Wireshark is pretty dicey accessibility wise, but its cli counterpart, TShark, should work well for you, & they have improved Wireshark's accessibility somewhat.

...
On 9/29/21, Jackie McBride wrote: Luke, packet tracer has never been accessible. Try Wireshark (TShark, I believe, is the cli equivalent). TCPDump can also be used.

...
On 9/29/21, Luke Scholey via Blind-sysadmins wrote: Hello All

...
Hope you’re well.

I’m half way through a degree with the Open University and as part of that I am completing the CCNA course from Cisco.

This course includes using labs in the network simulator software Packet Tracer. sadly, as far as I can tell, this is a drag-and-drop interface and isn’t usable enough with a screen reader for me to complete the labs independently.

Does anyone know of a solution or work around to this? Has anyone ever done the CCNA before that can give me any advice? The NetAcad content itself is mostly fine, and in my opinion, works best with NVDA, it’s just the labs that are causing me problems. And of course, what with everything still be in virtual, I don’t think there is a possibility of me being able to physically complete the labs with Cisco equipment and instructors.

Thanks for any help you can give. Kind regards Luke

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Billy Irwin

8:44 p.m.

Hi Luke, Thanks for previous email. Adding to the discussion... Tshark will work if you get the physical lab. I even tried GNS3 which is a similar environment to Packet tracer. It too isn't accessible accept for it allows you to load up router images as virtual OS. You would still have issues getting the interfaces to talk I think. The biggest barriers I've faced is the idiots who think Blind/visually impaired person's aren't capable of much. Best, Billy -----Original Message----- From: Luke Scholey via Blind-sysadmins Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 4:34 PM To: Mailing list for blind system administrators Cc: Luke Scholey Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Cisco NetAcad Labs - Packet Tracer accessibility Hi Jackie That’s really helpful info, thanks. Do you think I’d be able to use Wireshark in the context of the CCNA course though? The labs from Cisco are specifically designed for packet Tracer and I’m not sure whether I’d be allowed, even if it were possible, to convert the lab activities into alternative form that would make use of wireshark. I’ll enquire about that, and see what happens. All the best Luke

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On 29 Sep 2021, at 21:24, Jackie McBride wrote:

Let me amend my statement re: Packet Tracer. When I taught at CAVI--which has been a very long time ago now--it was not accessible. If they ever implemented changes since then to make it so, I am unaware, which says absolutely nothing. The tools I mentioned should help. Wireshark is pretty dicey accessibility wise, but its cli counterpart, TShark, should work well for you, & they have improved Wireshark's accessibility somewhat.

...
On 9/29/21, Jackie McBride wrote: Luke, packet tracer has never been accessible. Try Wireshark (TShark, I believe, is the cli equivalent). TCPDump can also be used.

...
On 9/29/21, Luke Scholey via Blind-sysadmins wrote: Hello All

...
Hope you’re well.

I’m half way through a degree with the Open University and as part of that I am completing the CCNA course from Cisco.

This course includes using labs in the network simulator software Packet Tracer. sadly, as far as I can tell, this is a drag-and-drop interface and isn’t usable enough with a screen reader for me to complete the labs independently.

Does anyone know of a solution or work around to this? Has anyone ever done the CCNA before that can give me any advice? The NetAcad content itself is mostly fine, and in my opinion, works best with NVDA, it’s just the labs that are causing me problems. And of course, what with everything still be in virtual, I don’t think there is a possibility of me being able to physically complete the labs with Cisco equipment and instructors.

Thanks for any help you can give. Kind regards Luke

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Luke Scholey

9 p.m.

Hi Billy Thats interesting, how does GNS3 present the virtual image of a router OS? Is it contained within the program, so you have to use the GNS3 interface to interact with it, or does it create something similar to a VM, so some type of guest running on top of the host? If it was the latter, I imagine it wouldn’t be so simple as to just SSH into the guest? Thanks for all the advice. All the best Luke

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On 29 Sep 2021, at 21:44, Billy Irwin wrote:

Hi Luke,

Thanks for previous email. Adding to the discussion... Tshark will work if you get the physical lab. I even tried GNS3 which is a similar environment to Packet tracer. It too isn't accessible accept for it allows you to load up router images as virtual OS. You would still have issues getting the interfaces to talk I think. The biggest barriers I've faced is the idiots who think Blind/visually impaired person's aren't capable of much.

Best,

Billy

-----Original Message----- From: Luke Scholey via Blind-sysadmins Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 4:34 PM To: Mailing list for blind system administrators Cc: Luke Scholey Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Cisco NetAcad Labs - Packet Tracer accessibility

Hi Jackie

That’s really helpful info, thanks. Do you think I’d be able to use Wireshark in the context of the CCNA course though? The labs from Cisco are specifically designed for packet Tracer and I’m not sure whether I’d be allowed, even if it were possible, to convert the lab activities into alternative form that would make use of wireshark.

I’ll enquire about that, and see what happens.

All the best Luke

...
On 29 Sep 2021, at 21:24, Jackie McBride wrote:

Let me amend my statement re: Packet Tracer. When I taught at CAVI--which has been a very long time ago now--it was not accessible. If they ever implemented changes since then to make it so, I am unaware, which says absolutely nothing. The tools I mentioned should help. Wireshark is pretty dicey accessibility wise, but its cli counterpart, TShark, should work well for you, & they have improved Wireshark's accessibility somewhat.

...
...
On 9/29/21, Jackie McBride wrote: Luke, packet tracer has never been accessible. Try Wireshark (TShark, I believe, is the cli equivalent). TCPDump can also be used.

...
On 9/29/21, Luke Scholey via Blind-sysadmins wrote: Hello All

...
Hope you’re well.

I’m half way through a degree with the Open University and as part of that I am completing the CCNA course from Cisco.

This course includes using labs in the network simulator software Packet Tracer. sadly, as far as I can tell, this is a drag-and-drop interface and isn’t usable enough with a screen reader for me to complete the labs independently.

Does anyone know of a solution or work around to this? Has anyone ever done the CCNA before that can give me any advice? The NetAcad content itself is mostly fine, and in my opinion, works best with NVDA, it’s just the labs that are causing me problems. And of course, what with everything still be in virtual, I don’t think there is a possibility of me being able to physically complete the labs with Cisco equipment and instructors.

Thanks for any help you can give. Kind regards Luke

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Jackie McBride

9:28 p.m.

Well here's a useless document if ever 1 existed, but, just for laughs: https://www.cisco.com › about › downloads › vpats On 9/29/21, Luke Scholey via Blind-sysadmins wrote:

...

Hi Billy

Thats interesting, how does GNS3 present the virtual image of a router OS? Is it contained within the program, so you have to use the GNS3 interface to interact with it, or does it create something similar to a VM, so some type of guest running on top of the host? If it was the latter, I imagine it wouldn’t be so simple as to just SSH into the guest?

Thanks for all the advice. All the best Luke

...
On 29 Sep 2021, at 21:44, Billy Irwin wrote:

Hi Luke,

Thanks for previous email. Adding to the discussion... Tshark will work if you get the physical lab. I even tried GNS3 which is a similar environment to Packet tracer. It too isn't accessible accept for it allows you to load up router images as virtual OS. You would still have issues getting the interfaces to talk I think. The biggest barriers I've faced is the idiots who think Blind/visually impaired person's aren't capable of much.

Best,

Billy

-----Original Message----- From: Luke Scholey via Blind-sysadmins Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 4:34 PM To: Mailing list for blind system administrators Cc: Luke Scholey Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Cisco NetAcad Labs - Packet Tracer accessibility

Hi Jackie

That’s really helpful info, thanks. Do you think I’d be able to use Wireshark in the context of the CCNA course though? The labs from Cisco are specifically designed for packet Tracer and I’m not sure whether I’d be allowed, even if it were possible, to convert the lab activities into alternative form that would make use of wireshark.

I’ll enquire about that, and see what happens.

All the best Luke

...
On 29 Sep 2021, at 21:24, Jackie McBride wrote:

Let me amend my statement re: Packet Tracer. When I taught at CAVI--which has been a very long time ago now--it was not accessible. If they ever implemented changes since then to make it so, I am unaware, which says absolutely nothing. The tools I mentioned should help. Wireshark is pretty dicey accessibility wise, but its cli counterpart, TShark, should work well for you, & they have improved Wireshark's accessibility somewhat.

...
...
On 9/29/21, Jackie McBride wrote: Luke, packet tracer has never been accessible. Try Wireshark (TShark, I believe, is the cli equivalent). TCPDump can also be used.

...
On 9/29/21, Luke Scholey via Blind-sysadmins wrote: Hello All

...
Hope you’re well.

I’m half way through a degree with the Open University and as part of that I am completing the CCNA course from Cisco.

This course includes using labs in the network simulator software Packet Tracer. sadly, as far as I can tell, this is a drag-and-drop interface and isn’t usable enough with a screen reader for me to complete the labs independently.

Does anyone know of a solution or work around to this? Has anyone ever done the CCNA before that can give me any advice? The NetAcad content itself is mostly fine, and in my opinion, works best with NVDA, it’s just the labs that are causing me problems. And of course, what with everything still be in virtual, I don’t think there is a possibility of me being able to physically complete the labs with Cisco equipment and instructors.

Thanks for any help you can give. Kind regards Luke

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Jackie McBride

9:34 p.m.

& here's something that looks far less t o A b h useless, Luke. https://blog.teachingdigital.org/2020/06/accessible-online-packet-tracer.htm... Good luck. On 9/29/21, Jackie McBride wrote:

...

Well here's a useless document if ever 1 existed, but, just for laughs: https://www.cisco.com › about › downloads › vpats

On 9/29/21, Luke Scholey via Blind-sysadmins wrote:

...
Hi Billy

Thats interesting, how does GNS3 present the virtual image of a router OS? Is it contained within the program, so you have to use the GNS3 interface to interact with it, or does it create something similar to a VM, so some type of guest running on top of the host? If it was the latter, I imagine it wouldn’t be so simple as to just SSH into the guest?

Thanks for all the advice. All the best Luke

...
On 29 Sep 2021, at 21:44, Billy Irwin wrote:

Hi Luke,

Thanks for previous email. Adding to the discussion... Tshark will work if you get the physical lab. I even tried GNS3 which is a similar environment to Packet tracer. It too isn't accessible accept for it allows you to load up router images as virtual OS. You would still have issues getting the interfaces to talk I think. The biggest barriers I've faced is the idiots who think Blind/visually impaired person's aren't capable of much.

Best,

Billy

-----Original Message----- From: Luke Scholey via Blind-sysadmins Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 4:34 PM To: Mailing list for blind system administrators Cc: Luke Scholey Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Cisco NetAcad Labs - Packet Tracer accessibility

Hi Jackie

That’s really helpful info, thanks. Do you think I’d be able to use Wireshark in the context of the CCNA course though? The labs from Cisco are specifically designed for packet Tracer and I’m not sure whether I’d be allowed, even if it were possible, to convert the lab activities into alternative form that would make use of wireshark.

I’ll enquire about that, and see what happens.

All the best Luke

...
On 29 Sep 2021, at 21:24, Jackie McBride wrote:

Let me amend my statement re: Packet Tracer. When I taught at CAVI--which has been a very long time ago now--it was not accessible. If they ever implemented changes since then to make it so, I am unaware, which says absolutely nothing. The tools I mentioned should help. Wireshark is pretty dicey accessibility wise, but its cli counterpart, TShark, should work well for you, & they have improved Wireshark's accessibility somewhat.

...
...
On 9/29/21, Jackie McBride wrote: Luke, packet tracer has never been accessible. Try Wireshark (TShark, I believe, is the cli equivalent). TCPDump can also be used.

...
On 9/29/21, Luke Scholey via Blind-sysadmins wrote: Hello All > > Hope you’re well. > > I’m half way through a degree with the Open University and as part > of that I am completing the CCNA course from Cisco. > > This course includes using labs in the network simulator software > Packet Tracer. sadly, as far as I can tell, this is a drag-and-drop > interface and isn’t usable enough with a screen reader for me to > complete the labs independently. > > Does anyone know of a solution or work around to this? Has anyone > ever done the CCNA before that can give me any advice? The NetAcad > content itself is mostly fine, and in my opinion, works best with > NVDA, it’s just the labs that are causing me problems. And of > course, what with everything still be in virtual, I don’t think > there is a possibility of me being able to physically complete the > labs with Cisco equipment and instructors. > > Thanks for any help you can give. > Kind regards > Luke

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Billy Irwin

9:44 p.m.

Hi Luke, It is connected to VirtualBox as the hypervisor. If I am not mistaken it creates a fully functional VM minus the interfaces being totally functional. I couldn't ever get it to do what I wanted a few years ago. Best, Billy -----Original Message----- From: Luke Scholey via Blind-sysadmins Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 5:01 PM To: Mailing list for blind system administrators Cc: Luke Scholey Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Cisco NetAcad Labs - Packet Tracer accessibility Hi Billy Thats interesting, how does GNS3 present the virtual image of a router OS? Is it contained within the program, so you have to use the GNS3 interface to interact with it, or does it create something similar to a VM, so some type of guest running on top of the host? If it was the latter, I imagine it wouldn’t be so simple as to just SSH into the guest? Thanks for all the advice. All the best Luke

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On 29 Sep 2021, at 21:44, Billy Irwin wrote:

Hi Luke,

Thanks for previous email. Adding to the discussion... Tshark will work if you get the physical lab. I even tried GNS3 which is a similar environment to Packet tracer. It too isn't accessible accept for it allows you to load up router images as virtual OS. You would still have issues getting the interfaces to talk I think. The biggest barriers I've faced is the idiots who think Blind/visually impaired person's aren't capable of much.

Best,

Billy

-----Original Message----- From: Luke Scholey via Blind-sysadmins Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 4:34 PM To: Mailing list for blind system administrators Cc: Luke Scholey Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Cisco NetAcad Labs - Packet Tracer accessibility

Hi Jackie

That’s really helpful info, thanks. Do you think I’d be able to use Wireshark in the context of the CCNA course though? The labs from Cisco are specifically designed for packet Tracer and I’m not sure whether I’d be allowed, even if it were possible, to convert the lab activities into alternative form that would make use of wireshark.

I’ll enquire about that, and see what happens.

All the best Luke

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On 29 Sep 2021, at 21:24, Jackie McBride wrote:

Let me amend my statement re: Packet Tracer. When I taught at CAVI--which has been a very long time ago now--it was not accessible. If they ever implemented changes since then to make it so, I am unaware, which says absolutely nothing. The tools I mentioned should help. Wireshark is pretty dicey accessibility wise, but its cli counterpart, TShark, should work well for you, & they have improved Wireshark's accessibility somewhat.

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On 9/29/21, Jackie McBride wrote: Luke, packet tracer has never been accessible. Try Wireshark (TShark, I believe, is the cli equivalent). TCPDump can also be used.

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On 9/29/21, Luke Scholey via Blind-sysadmins wrote: Hello All

...
Hope you’re well.

I’m half way through a degree with the Open University and as part of that I am completing the CCNA course from Cisco.

This course includes using labs in the network simulator software Packet Tracer. sadly, as far as I can tell, this is a drag-and-drop interface and isn’t usable enough with a screen reader for me to complete the labs independently.

Does anyone know of a solution or work around to this? Has anyone ever done the CCNA before that can give me any advice? The NetAcad content itself is mostly fine, and in my opinion, works best with NVDA, it’s just the labs that are causing me problems. And of course, what with everything still be in virtual, I don’t think there is a possibility of me being able to physically complete the labs with Cisco equipment and instructors.

Thanks for any help you can give. Kind regards Luke

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Luke Scholey

30 Sep 30 Sep

8:58 a.m.

Hi Billy That’s very useful, thanks. I’ll look into this, just in case it turns out I can work with it; if so it may be a viable option. All the best Luke From: Billy Irwin Sent: 29 September 2021 22:45 To: Mailing list for blind system administrators Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Cisco NetAcad Labs - Packet Tracer accessibility Hi Luke, It is connected to VirtualBox as the hypervisor. If I am not mistaken it creates a fully functional VM minus the interfaces being totally functional. I couldn't ever get it to do what I wanted a few years ago. Best, Billy -----Original Message----- From: Luke Scholey via Blind-sysadmins Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 5:01 PM To: Mailing list for blind system administrators Cc: Luke Scholey Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Cisco NetAcad Labs - Packet Tracer accessibility Hi Billy Thats interesting, how does GNS3 present the virtual image of a router OS? Is it contained within the program, so you have to use the GNS3 interface to interact with it, or does it create something similar to a VM, so some type of guest running on top of the host? If it was the latter, I imagine it wouldn’t be so simple as to just SSH into the guest? Thanks for all the advice. All the best Luke

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On 29 Sep 2021, at 21:44, Billy Irwin wrote:

Hi Luke,

Thanks for previous email. Adding to the discussion... Tshark will work if you get the physical lab. I even tried GNS3 which is a similar environment to Packet tracer. It too isn't accessible accept for it allows you to load up router images as virtual OS. You would still have issues getting the interfaces to talk I think. The biggest barriers I've faced is the idiots who think Blind/visually impaired person's aren't capable of much.

Best,

Billy

-----Original Message----- From: Luke Scholey via Blind-sysadmins Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 4:34 PM To: Mailing list for blind system administrators Cc: Luke Scholey Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Cisco NetAcad Labs - Packet Tracer accessibility

Hi Jackie

That’s really helpful info, thanks. Do you think I’d be able to use Wireshark in the context of the CCNA course though? The labs from Cisco are specifically designed for packet Tracer and I’m not sure whether I’d be allowed, even if it were possible, to convert the lab activities into alternative form that would make use of wireshark.

I’ll enquire about that, and see what happens.

All the best Luke

...
On 29 Sep 2021, at 21:24, Jackie McBride wrote:

Let me amend my statement re: Packet Tracer. When I taught at CAVI--which has been a very long time ago now--it was not accessible. If they ever implemented changes since then to make it so, I am unaware, which says absolutely nothing. The tools I mentioned should help. Wireshark is pretty dicey accessibility wise, but its cli counterpart, TShark, should work well for you, & they have improved Wireshark's accessibility somewhat.

...
...
On 9/29/21, Jackie McBride wrote: Luke, packet tracer has never been accessible. Try Wireshark (TShark, I believe, is the cli equivalent). TCPDump can also be used.

...
On 9/29/21, Luke Scholey via Blind-sysadmins wrote: Hello All

...
Hope you’re well.

I’m half way through a degree with the Open University and as part of that I am completing the CCNA course from Cisco.

This course includes using labs in the network simulator software Packet Tracer. sadly, as far as I can tell, this is a drag-and-drop interface and isn’t usable enough with a screen reader for me to complete the labs independently.

Does anyone know of a solution or work around to this? Has anyone ever done the CCNA before that can give me any advice? The NetAcad content itself is mostly fine, and in my opinion, works best with NVDA, it’s just the labs that are causing me problems. And of course, what with everything still be in virtual, I don’t think there is a possibility of me being able to physically complete the labs with Cisco equipment and instructors.

Thanks for any help you can give. Kind regards Luke

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Andrew Hodgson

29 Sep 29 Sep

9:36 p.m.

Hi. Yeah that is sound advice if using real Cisco equipment. However with the lab software this is all virtual so traditional network tools can't be used in conjunction with the labs. I went the physical equipment route for me, worked best in the long run. Never got the hang of the lab software. Luke, what is the OU course offering you in terms of exam, is it the real CCNA or are you doing the exams from the OU as part of the module? Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Jackie McBride Sent: 29 September 2021 21:25 To: Mailing list for blind system administrators Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Cisco NetAcad Labs - Packet Tracer accessibility Let me amend my statement re: Packet Tracer. When I taught at CAVI--which has been a very long time ago now--it was not accessible. If they ever implemented changes since then to make it so, I am unaware, which says absolutely nothing. The tools I mentioned should help. Wireshark is pretty dicey accessibility wise, but its cli counterpart, TShark, should work well for you, & they have improved Wireshark's accessibility somewhat. On 9/29/21, Jackie McBride wrote:

...

Luke, packet tracer has never been accessible. Try Wireshark (TShark, I believe, is the cli equivalent). TCPDump can also be used.

On 9/29/21, Luke Scholey via Blind-sysadmins wrote:

...
Hello All

...
Hope you’re well.

I’m half way through a degree with the Open University and as part of that I am completing the CCNA course from Cisco.

This course includes using labs in the network simulator software Packet Tracer. sadly, as far as I can tell, this is a drag-and-drop interface and isn’t usable enough with a screen reader for me to complete the labs independently.

Does anyone know of a solution or work around to this? Has anyone ever done the CCNA before that can give me any advice? The NetAcad content itself is mostly fine, and in my opinion, works best with NVDA, it’s just the labs that are causing me problems. And of course, what with everything still be in virtual, I don’t think there is a possibility of me being able to physically complete the labs with Cisco equipment and instructors.

Thanks for any help you can give. Kind regards Luke

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Luke Scholey

30 Sep 30 Sep

8:57 a.m.

Hi Andrew It’s the real CCNA. What I’d give to be able to go the physical route! Unless I by a kit off ebay like Billy said, I can’t see another way of getting out of using virtual labs. The day school at a local Cisco partner centre has even been cancelled, understandably, and replaced with an online alternative. All the best Luke From: Andrew Hodgson Sent: 29 September 2021 22:36 To: Mailing list for blind system administrators Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Cisco NetAcad Labs - Packet Tracer accessibility Hi. Yeah that is sound advice if using real Cisco equipment. However with the lab software this is all virtual so traditional network tools can't be used in conjunction with the labs. I went the physical equipment route for me, worked best in the long run. Never got the hang of the lab software. Luke, what is the OU course offering you in terms of exam, is it the real CCNA or are you doing the exams from the OU as part of the module? Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Jackie McBride Sent: 29 September 2021 21:25 To: Mailing list for blind system administrators Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Cisco NetAcad Labs - Packet Tracer accessibility Let me amend my statement re: Packet Tracer. When I taught at CAVI--which has been a very long time ago now--it was not accessible. If they ever implemented changes since then to make it so, I am unaware, which says absolutely nothing. The tools I mentioned should help. Wireshark is pretty dicey accessibility wise, but its cli counterpart, TShark, should work well for you, & they have improved Wireshark's accessibility somewhat. On 9/29/21, Jackie McBride wrote:

...

Luke, packet tracer has never been accessible. Try Wireshark (TShark, I believe, is the cli equivalent). TCPDump can also be used.

On 9/29/21, Luke Scholey via Blind-sysadmins wrote:

...
Hello All

...
Hope you’re well.

I’m half way through a degree with the Open University and as part of that I am completing the CCNA course from Cisco.

This course includes using labs in the network simulator software Packet Tracer. sadly, as far as I can tell, this is a drag-and-drop interface and isn’t usable enough with a screen reader for me to complete the labs independently.

Does anyone know of a solution or work around to this? Has anyone ever done the CCNA before that can give me any advice? The NetAcad content itself is mostly fine, and in my opinion, works best with NVDA, it’s just the labs that are causing me problems. And of course, what with everything still be in virtual, I don’t think there is a possibility of me being able to physically complete the labs with Cisco equipment and instructors.

Thanks for any help you can give. Kind regards Luke

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