Hello, I'm not sure on either point. For the OCR question using NVDA and insert+r I get a recognizing box the only thing that's in it is the title of the window in this case windows 10[ In terms of what is happening in the VM I'm going to assume that it is at least getting keyboard input or most of it because when I atempt to activate narrator to help with the install I'm hoping my command is right, control+windows+enter although I've tried alt and shift, whenever that windows key comes in to play I hear from my host system NVDA "caps lock on". Suggestions welcome. Thanks. Dave. On 1/9/24, Ben Mustill-Rose via Blind-sysadmins wrote:

What do you see if you OCR the screen? Are you sure that the VM's receiving your keypresses?

On 1/9/24, David Mehler via Blind-sysadmins wrote:

...

Hello,

The subject says what I'm trying to do, I've got Vmware Workstation Pro version 16 going on my system. To that I'd like to add Win10 pro x64. I've got the vm created, and have created a win10 22h2 iso, fed that to the vm, and started it. I'm trying to get speech going and it's not working, not doing anything.

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I am wondering if you have it in full screen mode or not. A lot of the virtualization tools will require you to be in this mode to do that shortcut key. I do this fine in Hyper-V as long as the Enhanced Session is enabled which some one from this list recommended. While it isn't totally related to the question, that bit of knowledge share here was so helpful that I am able to manage several Fail Over Clusters using Hyper-V. Best, Billy -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Hodgson via Blind-sysadmins Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2024 3:21 PM To: Mailing list for blind system administrators Cc: Andrew Hodgson Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Installing Win10 Pro 22h2 as a Vmware Workstation Guest Hi. I once followed this article to get a Windows Server up and running with speech. Note this was after installation and I had installed the VMware tools. I have never used it with a client based OS like Windows 10. https://kb.vmware.com/s/article/1003425 Thanks. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: David Mehler via Blind-sysadmins Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2024 8:10 PM To: Mailing list for blind system administrators Cc: David Mehler Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Installing Win10 Pro 22h2 as a Vmware Workstation Guest Hello, I'm not sure on either point. For the OCR question using NVDA and insert+r I get a recognizing box the only thing that's in it is the title of the window in this case windows 10[ In terms of what is happening in the VM I'm going to assume that it is at least getting keyboard input or most of it because when I atempt to activate narrator to help with the install I'm hoping my command is right, control+windows+enter although I've tried alt and shift, whenever that windows key comes in to play I hear from my host system NVDA "caps lock on". Suggestions welcome. Thanks. Dave. On 1/9/24, Ben Mustill-Rose via Blind-sysadmins wrote:

What do you see if you OCR the screen? Are you sure that the VM's receiving your keypresses?

On 1/9/24, David Mehler via Blind-sysadmins wrote:

...

Hello,

The subject says what I'm trying to do, I've got Vmware Workstation Pro version 16 going on my system. To that I'd like to add Win10 pro x64. I've got the vm created, and have created a win10 22h2 iso, fed that to the vm, and started it. I'm trying to get speech going and it's not working, not doing anything.

Any ideas welcome. Thanks. Dave. _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave@lists.hodgsonfamily.org

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Hi. Whenever I use a remote VM I always try and use full screen and quit the local screen reader. I have always had trouble keeping both screen readers working without the keystrokes impacting the local screen reader. Thanks. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Dengler via Blind-sysadmins Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2024 3:10 AM To: 'Mailing list for blind system administrators' Cc: codeofdusk@gmail.com Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Installing Win10 Pro 22h2 as a Vmware Workstation Guest Hit Control+g to allow all keys to be intercepted, then you can Control+Shift+Return. Control+Alt returns to host. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Billy Irwin via Blind-sysadmins Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2024 7:07 PM To: Mailing list for blind system administrators Cc: Billy Irwin Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Installing Win10 Pro 22h2 as a Vmware Workstation Guest I am wondering if you have it in full screen mode or not. A lot of the virtualization tools will require you to be in this mode to do that shortcut key. I do this fine in Hyper-V as long as the Enhanced Session is enabled which some one from this list recommended. While it isn't totally related to the question, that bit of knowledge share here was so helpful that I am able to manage several Fail Over Clusters using Hyper-V. Best, Billy -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Hodgson via Blind-sysadmins Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2024 3:21 PM To: Mailing list for blind system administrators Cc: Andrew Hodgson Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Installing Win10 Pro 22h2 as a Vmware Workstation Guest Hi. I once followed this article to get a Windows Server up and running with speech. Note this was after installation and I had installed the VMware tools. I have never used it with a client based OS like Windows 10. https://kb.vmware.com/s/article/1003425 Thanks. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: David Mehler via Blind-sysadmins Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2024 8:10 PM To: Mailing list for blind system administrators Cc: David Mehler Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Installing Win10 Pro 22h2 as a Vmware Workstation Guest Hello, I'm not sure on either point. For the OCR question using NVDA and insert+r I get a recognizing box the only thing that's in it is the title of the window in this case windows 10[ In terms of what is happening in the VM I'm going to assume that it is at least getting keyboard input or most of it because when I atempt to activate narrator to help with the install I'm hoping my command is right, control+windows+enter although I've tried alt and shift, whenever that windows key comes in to play I hear from my host system NVDA "caps lock on". Suggestions welcome. Thanks. Dave. On 1/9/24, Ben Mustill-Rose via Blind-sysadmins wrote:

What do you see if you OCR the screen? Are you sure that the VM's receiving your keypresses?

On 1/9/24, David Mehler via Blind-sysadmins wrote:

...

Hello,

The subject says what I'm trying to do, I've got Vmware Workstation Pro version 16 going on my system. To that I'd like to add Win10 pro x64. I've got the vm created, and have created a win10 22h2 iso, fed that to the vm, and started it. I'm trying to get speech going and it's not working, not doing anything.

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Hi. The 2 voice thing is normal. I think in the setup image they put in a smaller voice. I also find Narrator is a lot more snappier in the setup mode as opposed to when we get into the Windows install proper. This Narrator is only ever injected into the official Microsoft setup media, its not in any of the WinPE images so doesn't make it into anything else like recovery environments etc. We also find out that it can get missed, for example the Windows 11 23H2 ISOs didn't have Narrator in them at first. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: David Mehler via Blind-sysadmins Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2024 1:21 AM To: Mailing list for blind system administrators Cc: David Mehler Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Installing Win10 Pro 22h2 as a Vmware Workstation Guest Hello, Thank you all for your replies. Billy no my setup wasn't in fullscreen mode, when I put it there your right that shortcut key worked much better, gave me the info I needed. Apparently and this is weird it was waiting for me to press any key to boot from CD, I thought that had a time limit on it? Unrelated, there are two voices, a female one on the first screens and a male one after the first reboot, anyone know what that female voice is? Thanks. Dave. On 1/10/24, Andrew Hodgson via Blind-sysadmins wrote:

Hi.

Whenever I use a remote VM I always try and use full screen and quit the local screen reader. I have always had trouble keeping both screen readers working without the keystrokes impacting the local screen reader.

Thanks. Andrew.

-----Original Message----- From: Bill Dengler via Blind-sysadmins Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2024 3:10 AM To: 'Mailing list for blind system administrators' Cc: codeofdusk@gmail.com Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Installing Win10 Pro 22h2 as a Vmware Workstation Guest

Hit Control+g to allow all keys to be intercepted, then you can Control+Shift+Return. Control+Alt returns to host.

Bill -----Original Message----- From: Billy Irwin via Blind-sysadmins Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2024 7:07 PM To: Mailing list for blind system administrators Cc: Billy Irwin Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Installing Win10 Pro 22h2 as a Vmware Workstation Guest

I am wondering if you have it in full screen mode or not. A lot of the virtualization tools will require you to be in this mode to do that shortcut key. I do this fine in Hyper-V as long as the Enhanced Session is enabled which some one from this list recommended. While it isn't totally related to the question, that bit of knowledge share here was so helpful that I am able to manage several Fail Over Clusters using Hyper-V.

Best,

Billy

-----Original Message----- From: Andrew Hodgson via Blind-sysadmins Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2024 3:21 PM To: Mailing list for blind system administrators Cc: Andrew Hodgson Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Installing Win10 Pro 22h2 as a Vmware Workstation Guest

Hi.

I once followed this article to get a Windows Server up and running with speech. Note this was after installation and I had installed the VMware tools. I have never used it with a client based OS like Windows 10.

https://kb.vmware.com/s/article/1003425

Thanks. Andrew.

-----Original Message----- From: David Mehler via Blind-sysadmins Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2024 8:10 PM To: Mailing list for blind system administrators Cc: David Mehler Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Re: Installing Win10 Pro 22h2 as a Vmware Workstation Guest

Hello,

I'm not sure on either point. For the OCR question using NVDA and insert+r I get a recognizing box the only thing that's in it is the title of the window in this case windows 10[

In terms of what is happening in the VM I'm going to assume that it is at least getting keyboard input or most of it because when I atempt to activate narrator to help with the install I'm hoping my command is right, control+windows+enter although I've tried alt and shift, whenever that windows key comes in to play I hear from my host system NVDA "caps lock on".

Suggestions welcome.

Thanks. Dave.

On 1/9/24, Ben Mustill-Rose via Blind-sysadmins wrote:

...

What do you see if you OCR the screen? Are you sure that the VM's receiving your keypresses?

On 1/9/24, David Mehler via Blind-sysadmins wrote:

...

Hello,

The subject says what I'm trying to do, I've got Vmware Workstation Pro version 16 going on my system. To that I'd like to add Win10 pro x64. I've got the vm created, and have created a win10 22h2 iso, fed that to the vm, and started it. I'm trying to get speech going and it's not working, not doing anything.

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Hi. Its mad you have posted this as I have exactly the same problem. For me its not just tables but web pages with lots of data. Where I am finding this a particular problem at the moment is in a pull request view on Github. One of my clients has an action that posts the Teraform plan output to the pull request. I am working on a large project with several hundred VMs and when the plan creates those and I navigate to that Github PR page I have to be very careful otherwise Jaws crashes. I think the navigation issue is known, Brian Hartgen posted something about this on Mastodon, some of his clients are sticking with JFW 2023 due to this issue. Thanks. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Billy Irwin via Blind-sysadmins Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2024 12:36 PM To: Mailing list for blind system administrators Cc: Billy Irwin Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Large Data Sets Hi All, I wanted to bounce this off the group and get out of my own head space in regards to this. I've frequently run into issues with JAWS where either spreadsheets or large tables on a webpage that has say more than 100 records seems to either crash jaws or it takes a really long time for it to get loaded into memory. before you can actually do anything with it. I experienced this on machines that have I9 processors and 64 GB RAM. I have tried in the past to raise this concern with Freedom Scientific but I can't seem to get this escalated to the dev team so they can duplicate it. In the latest releases of JAWS 2023 and 2024, they have a bug that breaks table navigation entirely. I raises these concerns back in early December. Their temporary solution was to provide me with a Release Candidate which helped since I didn't immediately have the installer for the previous build. I would love to hear your thoughts, suggestions or any work arounds that you all have come up with if any. I was going to attempt to try and use NVDA more often, but the Code Factory voices that I wanted are not purchasable via their site unless you can understand Spanish. Best to all, Billy _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave@lists.hodgsonfamily.org

This has been an issue that has been discussed regularly since Jaws 2018. It has been improved from time to time. But Jaws certainly has an issue when it has a large virtual buffer. I don't believe Jaws is optimally using all available resources in multi core systems in every situation. I also don't think that every process is using ram in a very efficient way. I haven't looked, but I wonder if every process is optimally written to take advantage of a 64 bit architecture? I should notice better performance from Jaws in situations where I'm running it on very powerful hardware. I wonder if there are waits baked in to certain actions? I certainly find that over all, NVDA is more snappy. That said, there have been times in the past few years where I have recognised that Jaws takes a large step forward in performance in many areas. Arrowing through the message list in Outlook being a very good example of this. -----Original Message----- From: Billy Irwin via Blind-sysadmins Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2024 12:36 PM To: Mailing list for blind system administrators Cc: Billy Irwin Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] Large Data Sets Hi All, I wanted to bounce this off the group and get out of my own head space in regards to this. I've frequently run into issues with JAWS where either spreadsheets or large tables on a webpage that has say more than 100 records seems to either crash jaws or it takes a really long time for it to get loaded into memory. before you can actually do anything with it. I experienced this on machines that have I9 processors and 64 GB RAM. I have tried in the past to raise this concern with Freedom Scientific but I can't seem to get this escalated to the dev team so they can duplicate it. In the latest releases of JAWS 2023 and 2024, they have a bug that breaks table navigation entirely. I raises these concerns back in early December. Their temporary solution was to provide me with a Release Candidate which helped since I didn't immediately have the installer for the previous build. I would love to hear your thoughts, suggestions or any work arounds that you all have come up with if any. I was going to attempt to try and use NVDA more often, but the Code Factory voices that I wanted are not purchasable via their site unless you can understand Spanish. Best to all, Billy _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list -- blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org To unsubscribe send an email to blind-sysadmins-leave@lists.hodgsonfamily.org