Hello, I'm dealing with a rather perplexing problem, at least I do when I get over to the box. An xp home machine keeps loosing it's date. It was doing some other stuff, like loosing it's boot order and atempting to network boot, so the CMOS battery was replaced, and that problem went away that is the problem of the network booting. Now in windows (not the system setup it knows it's date), sometimes it thinks it's date is like I just checked it Monday December 31 2001, 11:15 p.m. when the time was actually 8:15 p.m. or there abouts. Other times I've been told it thinks it's date is October 28 2065, I've never heard of a machine jumping forward in this instance. If anyone has any suggestions I'd appreciate them. Thanks. Dave.
Perhaps try a bios flash? I have a dimension like this where regardless of what battery I put in it it still loses the date & time if its unplugged for the shortest amount of time; its a socket 478 so I don't really want to buy a new mobo for it which is what the problem is in this situation. Cheers, Ben. On 3/21/12, David Mehler <dave.mehler@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
I'm dealing with a rather perplexing problem, at least I do when I get over to the box. An xp home machine keeps loosing it's date. It was doing some other stuff, like loosing it's boot order and atempting to network boot, so the CMOS battery was replaced, and that problem went away that is the problem of the network booting. Now in windows (not the system setup it knows it's date), sometimes it thinks it's date is like I just checked it Monday December 31 2001, 11:15 p.m. when the time was actually 8:15 p.m. or there abouts. Other times I've been told it thinks it's date is October 28 2065, I've never heard of a machine jumping forward in this instance. If anyone has any suggestions I'd appreciate them.
Thanks. Dave.
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Sorry for the double post, but make sure that you've oriented the battery correctly when you put it in - it will fit in any way and it won't explode if its installed incorrectly or anything, it just won't work. This is actually the one bit of hardware related stuff that I haven't come up with a solution for. Cheers, Ben. On 3/21/12, Ben Mustill-Rose <ben@benmr.com> wrote:
Perhaps try a bios flash? I have a dimension like this where regardless of what battery I put in it it still loses the date & time if its unplugged for the shortest amount of time; its a socket 478 so I don't really want to buy a new mobo for it which is what the problem is in this situation.
Cheers, Ben.
On 3/21/12, David Mehler <dave.mehler@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
I'm dealing with a rather perplexing problem, at least I do when I get over to the box. An xp home machine keeps loosing it's date. It was doing some other stuff, like loosing it's boot order and atempting to network boot, so the CMOS battery was replaced, and that problem went away that is the problem of the network booting. Now in windows (not the system setup it knows it's date), sometimes it thinks it's date is like I just checked it Monday December 31 2001, 11:15 p.m. when the time was actually 8:15 p.m. or there abouts. Other times I've been told it thinks it's date is October 28 2065, I've never heard of a machine jumping forward in this instance. If anyone has any suggestions I'd appreciate them.
Thanks. Dave.
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Sorry for the double post, but make sure that you've oriented the battery correctly when you put it in - it will fit in any way and it won't explode if its installed incorrectly or anything, it just won't work. This is actually the one bit of hardware related stuff that I haven't come up with a solution for. Cheers, Ben. On 3/21/12, Ben Mustill-Rose <ben@benmr.com> wrote:
Perhaps try a bios flash? I have a dimension like this where regardless of what battery I put in it it still loses the date & time if its unplugged for the shortest amount of time; its a socket 478 so I don't really want to buy a new mobo for it which is what the problem is in this situation.
Cheers, Ben.
On 3/21/12, David Mehler <dave.mehler@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
I'm dealing with a rather perplexing problem, at least I do when I get over to the box. An xp home machine keeps loosing it's date. It was doing some other stuff, like loosing it's boot order and atempting to network boot, so the CMOS battery was replaced, and that problem went away that is the problem of the network booting. Now in windows (not the system setup it knows it's date), sometimes it thinks it's date is like I just checked it Monday December 31 2001, 11:15 p.m. when the time was actually 8:15 p.m. or there abouts. Other times I've been told it thinks it's date is October 28 2065, I've never heard of a machine jumping forward in this instance. If anyone has any suggestions I'd appreciate them.
Thanks. Dave.
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Hi, As far as I know it's in right, it's keeping everything else and the system time was right in setup. I put the new battery in as the old one was. I have also given it a bios flash. Thanks. Dave. On 3/20/12, Ben Mustill-Rose <ben@benmr.com> wrote:
Sorry for the double post, but make sure that you've oriented the battery correctly when you put it in - it will fit in any way and it won't explode if its installed incorrectly or anything, it just won't work. This is actually the one bit of hardware related stuff that I haven't come up with a solution for.
Cheers, Ben.
On 3/21/12, Ben Mustill-Rose <ben@benmr.com> wrote:
Perhaps try a bios flash? I have a dimension like this where regardless of what battery I put in it it still loses the date & time if its unplugged for the shortest amount of time; its a socket 478 so I don't really want to buy a new mobo for it which is what the problem is in this situation.
Cheers, Ben.
On 3/21/12, David Mehler <dave.mehler@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
I'm dealing with a rather perplexing problem, at least I do when I get over to the box. An xp home machine keeps loosing it's date. It was doing some other stuff, like loosing it's boot order and atempting to network boot, so the CMOS battery was replaced, and that problem went away that is the problem of the network booting. Now in windows (not the system setup it knows it's date), sometimes it thinks it's date is like I just checked it Monday December 31 2001, 11:15 p.m. when the time was actually 8:15 p.m. or there abouts. Other times I've been told it thinks it's date is October 28 2065, I've never heard of a machine jumping forward in this instance. If anyone has any suggestions I'd appreciate them.
Thanks. Dave.
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Hi, As far as I know it's in right, it's keeping everything else and the system time was right in setup. I put the new battery in as the old one was. I have also given it a bios flash. Thanks. Dave. On 3/20/12, Ben Mustill-Rose <ben@benmr.com> wrote:
Sorry for the double post, but make sure that you've oriented the battery correctly when you put it in - it will fit in any way and it won't explode if its installed incorrectly or anything, it just won't work. This is actually the one bit of hardware related stuff that I haven't come up with a solution for.
Cheers, Ben.
On 3/21/12, Ben Mustill-Rose <ben@benmr.com> wrote:
Perhaps try a bios flash? I have a dimension like this where regardless of what battery I put in it it still loses the date & time if its unplugged for the shortest amount of time; its a socket 478 so I don't really want to buy a new mobo for it which is what the problem is in this situation.
Cheers, Ben.
On 3/21/12, David Mehler <dave.mehler@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
I'm dealing with a rather perplexing problem, at least I do when I get over to the box. An xp home machine keeps loosing it's date. It was doing some other stuff, like loosing it's boot order and atempting to network boot, so the CMOS battery was replaced, and that problem went away that is the problem of the network booting. Now in windows (not the system setup it knows it's date), sometimes it thinks it's date is like I just checked it Monday December 31 2001, 11:15 p.m. when the time was actually 8:15 p.m. or there abouts. Other times I've been told it thinks it's date is October 28 2065, I've never heard of a machine jumping forward in this instance. If anyone has any suggestions I'd appreciate them.
Thanks. Dave.
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Hi, At that level it has to be the board; its not a windows issue and if the battery has been inserted correctly and you're running the latest bios then there isn't really anything else it could be. Perhaps one solution for the date could be to have it fetch the correct date from someware at startup? If I was doing this then I'd probably just script it myself, but there may be other ways of doing it - I know theres ntp for time, but not sure if you can also retreve dates as well. Cheers, Ben. On 3/21/12, David Mehler <dave.mehler@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, As far as I know it's in right, it's keeping everything else and the system time was right in setup. I put the new battery in as the old one was. I have also given it a bios flash.
Thanks. Dave.
On 3/20/12, Ben Mustill-Rose <ben@benmr.com> wrote:
Sorry for the double post, but make sure that you've oriented the battery correctly when you put it in - it will fit in any way and it won't explode if its installed incorrectly or anything, it just won't work. This is actually the one bit of hardware related stuff that I haven't come up with a solution for.
Cheers, Ben.
On 3/21/12, Ben Mustill-Rose <ben@benmr.com> wrote:
Perhaps try a bios flash? I have a dimension like this where regardless of what battery I put in it it still loses the date & time if its unplugged for the shortest amount of time; its a socket 478 so I don't really want to buy a new mobo for it which is what the problem is in this situation.
Cheers, Ben.
On 3/21/12, David Mehler <dave.mehler@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
I'm dealing with a rather perplexing problem, at least I do when I get over to the box. An xp home machine keeps loosing it's date. It was doing some other stuff, like loosing it's boot order and atempting to network boot, so the CMOS battery was replaced, and that problem went away that is the problem of the network booting. Now in windows (not the system setup it knows it's date), sometimes it thinks it's date is like I just checked it Monday December 31 2001, 11:15 p.m. when the time was actually 8:15 p.m. or there abouts. Other times I've been told it thinks it's date is October 28 2065, I've never heard of a machine jumping forward in this instance. If anyone has any suggestions I'd appreciate them.
Thanks. Dave.
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Hi, At that level it has to be the board; its not a windows issue and if the battery has been inserted correctly and you're running the latest bios then there isn't really anything else it could be. Perhaps one solution for the date could be to have it fetch the correct date from someware at startup? If I was doing this then I'd probably just script it myself, but there may be other ways of doing it - I know theres ntp for time, but not sure if you can also retreve dates as well. Cheers, Ben. On 3/21/12, David Mehler <dave.mehler@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, As far as I know it's in right, it's keeping everything else and the system time was right in setup. I put the new battery in as the old one was. I have also given it a bios flash.
Thanks. Dave.
On 3/20/12, Ben Mustill-Rose <ben@benmr.com> wrote:
Sorry for the double post, but make sure that you've oriented the battery correctly when you put it in - it will fit in any way and it won't explode if its installed incorrectly or anything, it just won't work. This is actually the one bit of hardware related stuff that I haven't come up with a solution for.
Cheers, Ben.
On 3/21/12, Ben Mustill-Rose <ben@benmr.com> wrote:
Perhaps try a bios flash? I have a dimension like this where regardless of what battery I put in it it still loses the date & time if its unplugged for the shortest amount of time; its a socket 478 so I don't really want to buy a new mobo for it which is what the problem is in this situation.
Cheers, Ben.
On 3/21/12, David Mehler <dave.mehler@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
I'm dealing with a rather perplexing problem, at least I do when I get over to the box. An xp home machine keeps loosing it's date. It was doing some other stuff, like loosing it's boot order and atempting to network boot, so the CMOS battery was replaced, and that problem went away that is the problem of the network booting. Now in windows (not the system setup it knows it's date), sometimes it thinks it's date is like I just checked it Monday December 31 2001, 11:15 p.m. when the time was actually 8:15 p.m. or there abouts. Other times I've been told it thinks it's date is October 28 2065, I've never heard of a machine jumping forward in this instance. If anyone has any suggestions I'd appreciate them.
Thanks. Dave.
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Hi, Thanks. I'm going to do that and just go on, once it's set it stays set. Thanks. Dave. On 3/21/12, Ben Mustill-Rose <ben@benmr.com> wrote:
Hi,
At that level it has to be the board; its not a windows issue and if the battery has been inserted correctly and you're running the latest bios then there isn't really anything else it could be. Perhaps one solution for the date could be to have it fetch the correct date from someware at startup? If I was doing this then I'd probably just script it myself, but there may be other ways of doing it - I know theres ntp for time, but not sure if you can also retreve dates as well.
Cheers, Ben.
On 3/21/12, David Mehler <dave.mehler@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, As far as I know it's in right, it's keeping everything else and the system time was right in setup. I put the new battery in as the old one was. I have also given it a bios flash.
Thanks. Dave.
On 3/20/12, Ben Mustill-Rose <ben@benmr.com> wrote:
Sorry for the double post, but make sure that you've oriented the battery correctly when you put it in - it will fit in any way and it won't explode if its installed incorrectly or anything, it just won't work. This is actually the one bit of hardware related stuff that I haven't come up with a solution for.
Cheers, Ben.
On 3/21/12, Ben Mustill-Rose <ben@benmr.com> wrote:
Perhaps try a bios flash? I have a dimension like this where regardless of what battery I put in it it still loses the date & time if its unplugged for the shortest amount of time; its a socket 478 so I don't really want to buy a new mobo for it which is what the problem is in this situation.
Cheers, Ben.
On 3/21/12, David Mehler <dave.mehler@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
I'm dealing with a rather perplexing problem, at least I do when I get over to the box. An xp home machine keeps loosing it's date. It was doing some other stuff, like loosing it's boot order and atempting to network boot, so the CMOS battery was replaced, and that problem went away that is the problem of the network booting. Now in windows (not the system setup it knows it's date), sometimes it thinks it's date is like I just checked it Monday December 31 2001, 11:15 p.m. when the time was actually 8:15 p.m. or there abouts. Other times I've been told it thinks it's date is October 28 2065, I've never heard of a machine jumping forward in this instance. If anyone has any suggestions I'd appreciate them.
Thanks. Dave.
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Hi, Thanks. I'm going to do that and just go on, once it's set it stays set. Thanks. Dave. On 3/21/12, Ben Mustill-Rose <ben@benmr.com> wrote:
Hi,
At that level it has to be the board; its not a windows issue and if the battery has been inserted correctly and you're running the latest bios then there isn't really anything else it could be. Perhaps one solution for the date could be to have it fetch the correct date from someware at startup? If I was doing this then I'd probably just script it myself, but there may be other ways of doing it - I know theres ntp for time, but not sure if you can also retreve dates as well.
Cheers, Ben.
On 3/21/12, David Mehler <dave.mehler@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, As far as I know it's in right, it's keeping everything else and the system time was right in setup. I put the new battery in as the old one was. I have also given it a bios flash.
Thanks. Dave.
On 3/20/12, Ben Mustill-Rose <ben@benmr.com> wrote:
Sorry for the double post, but make sure that you've oriented the battery correctly when you put it in - it will fit in any way and it won't explode if its installed incorrectly or anything, it just won't work. This is actually the one bit of hardware related stuff that I haven't come up with a solution for.
Cheers, Ben.
On 3/21/12, Ben Mustill-Rose <ben@benmr.com> wrote:
Perhaps try a bios flash? I have a dimension like this where regardless of what battery I put in it it still loses the date & time if its unplugged for the shortest amount of time; its a socket 478 so I don't really want to buy a new mobo for it which is what the problem is in this situation.
Cheers, Ben.
On 3/21/12, David Mehler <dave.mehler@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
I'm dealing with a rather perplexing problem, at least I do when I get over to the box. An xp home machine keeps loosing it's date. It was doing some other stuff, like loosing it's boot order and atempting to network boot, so the CMOS battery was replaced, and that problem went away that is the problem of the network booting. Now in windows (not the system setup it knows it's date), sometimes it thinks it's date is like I just checked it Monday December 31 2001, 11:15 p.m. when the time was actually 8:15 p.m. or there abouts. Other times I've been told it thinks it's date is October 28 2065, I've never heard of a machine jumping forward in this instance. If anyone has any suggestions I'd appreciate them.
Thanks. Dave.
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Hi, NTP will give the date as well so there isn't an issue there. You would need a proper NTP client at that level of corruption, Windows Time Service won't cut it. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ben Mustill-Rose Sent: 21 March 2012 11:05 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] System loosing date Hi, At that level it has to be the board; its not a windows issue and if the battery has been inserted correctly and you're running the latest bios then there isn't really anything else it could be. Perhaps one solution for the date could be to have it fetch the correct date from someware at startup? If I was doing this then I'd probably just script it myself, but there may be other ways of doing it - I know theres ntp for time, but not sure if you can also retreve dates as well. Cheers, Ben. On 3/21/12, David Mehler <dave.mehler@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, As far as I know it's in right, it's keeping everything else and the system time was right in setup. I put the new battery in as the old one was. I have also given it a bios flash.
Thanks. Dave.
On 3/20/12, Ben Mustill-Rose <ben@benmr.com> wrote:
Sorry for the double post, but make sure that you've oriented the battery correctly when you put it in - it will fit in any way and it won't explode if its installed incorrectly or anything, it just won't work. This is actually the one bit of hardware related stuff that I haven't come up with a solution for.
Cheers, Ben.
On 3/21/12, Ben Mustill-Rose <ben@benmr.com> wrote:
Perhaps try a bios flash? I have a dimension like this where regardless of what battery I put in it it still loses the date & time if its unplugged for the shortest amount of time; its a socket 478 so I don't really want to buy a new mobo for it which is what the problem is in this situation.
Cheers, Ben.
On 3/21/12, David Mehler <dave.mehler@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
I'm dealing with a rather perplexing problem, at least I do when I get over to the box. An xp home machine keeps loosing it's date. It was doing some other stuff, like loosing it's boot order and atempting to network boot, so the CMOS battery was replaced, and that problem went away that is the problem of the network booting. Now in windows (not the system setup it knows it's date), sometimes it thinks it's date is like I just checked it Monday December 31 2001, 11:15 p.m. when the time was actually 8:15 p.m. or there abouts. Other times I've been told it thinks it's date is October 28 2065, I've never heard of a machine jumping forward in this instance. If anyone has any suggestions I'd appreciate them.
Thanks. Dave.
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Hi, NTP will give the date as well so there isn't an issue there. You would need a proper NTP client at that level of corruption, Windows Time Service won't cut it. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Ben Mustill-Rose Sent: 21 March 2012 11:05 To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] System loosing date Hi, At that level it has to be the board; its not a windows issue and if the battery has been inserted correctly and you're running the latest bios then there isn't really anything else it could be. Perhaps one solution for the date could be to have it fetch the correct date from someware at startup? If I was doing this then I'd probably just script it myself, but there may be other ways of doing it - I know theres ntp for time, but not sure if you can also retreve dates as well. Cheers, Ben. On 3/21/12, David Mehler <dave.mehler@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, As far as I know it's in right, it's keeping everything else and the system time was right in setup. I put the new battery in as the old one was. I have also given it a bios flash.
Thanks. Dave.
On 3/20/12, Ben Mustill-Rose <ben@benmr.com> wrote:
Sorry for the double post, but make sure that you've oriented the battery correctly when you put it in - it will fit in any way and it won't explode if its installed incorrectly or anything, it just won't work. This is actually the one bit of hardware related stuff that I haven't come up with a solution for.
Cheers, Ben.
On 3/21/12, Ben Mustill-Rose <ben@benmr.com> wrote:
Perhaps try a bios flash? I have a dimension like this where regardless of what battery I put in it it still loses the date & time if its unplugged for the shortest amount of time; its a socket 478 so I don't really want to buy a new mobo for it which is what the problem is in this situation.
Cheers, Ben.
On 3/21/12, David Mehler <dave.mehler@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
I'm dealing with a rather perplexing problem, at least I do when I get over to the box. An xp home machine keeps loosing it's date. It was doing some other stuff, like loosing it's boot order and atempting to network boot, so the CMOS battery was replaced, and that problem went away that is the problem of the network booting. Now in windows (not the system setup it knows it's date), sometimes it thinks it's date is like I just checked it Monday December 31 2001, 11:15 p.m. when the time was actually 8:15 p.m. or there abouts. Other times I've been told it thinks it's date is October 28 2065, I've never heard of a machine jumping forward in this instance. If anyone has any suggestions I'd appreciate them.
Thanks. Dave.
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Perhaps try a bios flash? I have a dimension like this where regardless of what battery I put in it it still loses the date & time if its unplugged for the shortest amount of time; its a socket 478 so I don't really want to buy a new mobo for it which is what the problem is in this situation. Cheers, Ben. On 3/21/12, David Mehler <dave.mehler@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
I'm dealing with a rather perplexing problem, at least I do when I get over to the box. An xp home machine keeps loosing it's date. It was doing some other stuff, like loosing it's boot order and atempting to network boot, so the CMOS battery was replaced, and that problem went away that is the problem of the network booting. Now in windows (not the system setup it knows it's date), sometimes it thinks it's date is like I just checked it Monday December 31 2001, 11:15 p.m. when the time was actually 8:15 p.m. or there abouts. Other times I've been told it thinks it's date is October 28 2065, I've never heard of a machine jumping forward in this instance. If anyone has any suggestions I'd appreciate them.
Thanks. Dave.
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