OT: linux/Ubuntu for Ruby on Rails
Hi All, Sorry for the off topic post. I have always been very interested to work with Ruby on rails, I have created a few apps on windows, however it is not considered the best method in industry to use Windows for developing Ruby on Rails applications. So my question is, How accessible is Linux and Ubuntu for me if I am moving from Windows 8 with Jaws. I understand they are completely different environments and different ways of working, but is the accessibility stable enough for me to consider looking into this further as a career? Or does setting up and negotiating with accessibility issues take much longer and therefore will generally be unproductive. Has anyone on this list attempted to use something like Ruby mine or Sublime text? Look forward to your comments. Chamandeep singh Grover
Ubuntu is very accessible. SSH management, and Espeakup (console). Gnome has a built in screen reader for desktop installs. To activate it, boot from the install media, and at the chime press CTRL+s. Server installer has no speech support, but it may have brltty, and you might be able to start the network console through a boot option at which point you can do the install from another machine with ssh. Debian does have speech support in the installer, and you can install a base system suitable for server use with no issues. Email me if you have any other questions. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Chamandeep Singh Grover Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 11:27 AM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: [Blind-sysadmins] OT: linux/Ubuntu for Ruby on Rails Hi All, Sorry for the off topic post. I have always been very interested to work with Ruby on rails, I have created a few apps on windows, however it is not considered the best method in industry to use Windows for developing Ruby on Rails applications. So my question is, How accessible is Linux and Ubuntu for me if I am moving from Windows 8 with Jaws. I understand they are completely different environments and different ways of working, but is the accessibility stable enough for me to consider looking into this further as a career? Or does setting up and negotiating with accessibility issues take much longer and therefore will generally be unproductive. Has anyone on this list attempted to use something like Ruby mine or Sublime text? Look forward to your comments. Chamandeep singh Grover _______________________________________________ Blind-sysadmins mailing list Blind-sysadmins@lists.hodgsonfamily.org https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/listinfo/blind-sysadmins
I make my living doing systems admin and php programming on ubuntu linux. The screen reader, orca,is not as stable/nice as jaws but you can do just fine with it. On 05/29/2015 10:27 AM, Chamandeep Singh Grover wrote:
Hi All, Sorry for the off topic post. I have always been very interested to work with Ruby on rails, I have created a few apps on windows, however it is not considered the best method in industry to use Windows for developing Ruby on Rails applications. So my question is, How accessible is Linux and Ubuntu for me if I am moving from Windows 8 with Jaws. I understand they are completely different environments and different ways of working, but is the accessibility stable enough for me to consider looking into this further as a career? Or does setting up and negotiating with accessibility issues take much longer and therefore will generally be unproductive. Has anyone on this list attempted to use something like Ruby mine or Sublime text?
Look forward to your comments. Chamandeep singh Grover
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Orca's an internal name, Gnome is trying to generalize it. They want it to just be called Gnome's screen reader. Yeah it works fairly well, but for server installs no need for a GUI, just manage via SSH. Bill. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of John G Heim Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 12:10 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] OT: linux/Ubuntu for Ruby on Rails I make my living doing systems admin and php programming on ubuntu linux. The screen reader, orca,is not as stable/nice as jaws but you can do just fine with it. On 05/29/2015 10:27 AM, Chamandeep Singh Grover wrote:
Hi All, Sorry for the off topic post. I have always been very interested to work with Ruby on rails, I have created a few apps on windows, however it is not considered the best method in industry to use Windows for developing Ruby on Rails applications. So my question is, How accessible is Linux and Ubuntu for me if I am moving from Windows 8 with Jaws. I understand they are completely different environments and different ways of working, but is the accessibility stable enough for me to consider looking into this further as a career? Or does setting up and negotiating with accessibility issues take much longer and therefore will generally be unproductive. Has anyone on this list attempted to use something like Ruby mine or Sublime text?
Look forward to your comments. Chamandeep singh Grover
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You have to have a screen reader on your server. What if you need to fix a networking problem? A couple of years ago, I used to recommend that people who wanted to experiment with linux go out and buy a used machine. But I think if I was going to mess around with this stuff today, I'd do a virtual ubuntu desktop machine and then just treat it like a server. You can still install apache, mysql, and php and ruby. Then you can play around with the graphical user interface too. I've gotten into virtualbox for linux quite a bit lately and it would be a breeze on a linux machine. I'm guessing it would be approximately as easy in virtualbox for Windows. On 05/29/2015 11:13 AM, Bill Dengler (Windows 8.1 on Retina macBook Pro) wrote:
Orca's an internal name, Gnome is trying to generalize it. They want it to just be called Gnome's screen reader. Yeah it works fairly well, but for server installs no need for a GUI, just manage via SSH. Bill.
-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of John G Heim Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 12:10 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] OT: linux/Ubuntu for Ruby on Rails
I make my living doing systems admin and php programming on ubuntu linux. The screen reader, orca,is not as stable/nice as jaws but you can do just fine with it.
On 05/29/2015 10:27 AM, Chamandeep Singh Grover wrote:
Hi All, Sorry for the off topic post. I have always been very interested to work with Ruby on rails, I have created a few apps on windows, however it is not considered the best method in industry to use Windows for developing Ruby on Rails applications. So my question is, How accessible is Linux and Ubuntu for me if I am moving from Windows 8 with Jaws. I understand they are completely different environments and different ways of working, but is the accessibility stable enough for me to consider looking into this further as a career? Or does setting up and negotiating with accessibility issues take much longer and therefore will generally be unproductive. Has anyone on this list attempted to use something like Ruby mine or Sublime text?
Look forward to your comments. Chamandeep singh Grover
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Console screen readers and serial console. Bill. -----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of John G Heim Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 12:36 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] OT: linux/Ubuntu for Ruby on Rails You have to have a screen reader on your server. What if you need to fix a networking problem? A couple of years ago, I used to recommend that people who wanted to experiment with linux go out and buy a used machine. But I think if I was going to mess around with this stuff today, I'd do a virtual ubuntu desktop machine and then just treat it like a server. You can still install apache, mysql, and php and ruby. Then you can play around with the graphical user interface too. I've gotten into virtualbox for linux quite a bit lately and it would be a breeze on a linux machine. I'm guessing it would be approximately as easy in virtualbox for Windows. On 05/29/2015 11:13 AM, Bill Dengler (Windows 8.1 on Retina macBook Pro) wrote:
Orca's an internal name, Gnome is trying to generalize it. They want it to just be called Gnome's screen reader. Yeah it works fairly well, but for server installs no need for a GUI, just manage via SSH. Bill.
-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of John G Heim Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 12:10 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] OT: linux/Ubuntu for Ruby on Rails
I make my living doing systems admin and php programming on ubuntu linux. The screen reader, orca,is not as stable/nice as jaws but you can do just fine with it.
On 05/29/2015 10:27 AM, Chamandeep Singh Grover wrote:
Hi All, Sorry for the off topic post. I have always been very interested to work with Ruby on rails, I have created a few apps on windows, however it is not considered the best method in industry to use Windows for developing Ruby on Rails applications. So my question is, How accessible is Linux and Ubuntu for me if I am moving from Windows 8 with Jaws. I understand they are completely different environments and different ways of working, but is the accessibility stable enough for me to consider looking into this further as a career? Or does setting up and negotiating with accessibility issues take much longer and therefore will generally be unproductive. Has anyone on this list attempted to use something like Ruby mine or Sublime text?
Look forward to your comments. Chamandeep singh Grover
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Well, I'm not sure why a beginner would want to start with the console screen reader instead of orca unless their test platform just didn't have the power to run the graphical user interface. If that is the case, I would recommend debian. If you do a talking debian install, it will come up talking with the console screen reader, speakup, after the install. Without the gui, debian will probably run on a machine with 256K of ram and a 4Gb disk. I'm pretty sure all the debian installers talk during the install. You have to press the s key at a certain point to make it work. But I have found that the timing is not critical and you can just keep pressing the s key until you hear it start talking. The only other trick you have to know after that is that when the installer gets to the part where it asks which packages you want, you have to select the ssh server and deselect the desktop. There is a screen that comes up askin if you want packages for things like desktop, laptop, print server, file server, etc. By default, desktop, print server, and standard packages are selected. You want to change that to just the ssh server and the standard packages. The different packages are numbered so that would be 9 and 11 in the current debian stable version. Other than those 2 tricks, you can follow any tutorial out there on doing a debian install. I don't know though... For a beginner, I think I would recommend just doing a standard ubuntu install with speech. You can still treat it like a server but you'll have the gui and orca. In 2015, it's not more realistic to have a server w/o a GUI. I suspect that most sys admins install the GUI when setting up a server these days. On 05/29/2015 11:37 AM, Bill Dengler (Windows 8.1 on Retina macBook Pro) wrote:
Console screen readers and serial console.
Bill.
-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of John G Heim Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 12:36 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] OT: linux/Ubuntu for Ruby on Rails
You have to have a screen reader on your server. What if you need to fix a networking problem?
A couple of years ago, I used to recommend that people who wanted to experiment with linux go out and buy a used machine. But I think if I was going to mess around with this stuff today, I'd do a virtual ubuntu desktop machine and then just treat it like a server. You can still install apache, mysql, and php and ruby. Then you can play around with the graphical user interface too. I've gotten into virtualbox for linux quite a bit lately and it would be a breeze on a linux machine. I'm guessing it would be approximately as easy in virtualbox for Windows.
On 05/29/2015 11:13 AM, Bill Dengler (Windows 8.1 on Retina macBook Pro) wrote:
Orca's an internal name, Gnome is trying to generalize it. They want it to just be called Gnome's screen reader. Yeah it works fairly well, but for server installs no need for a GUI, just manage via SSH. Bill.
-----Original Message----- From: Blind-sysadmins [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of John G Heim Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 12:10 PM To: Blind sysadmins list Subject: Re: [Blind-sysadmins] OT: linux/Ubuntu for Ruby on Rails
I make my living doing systems admin and php programming on ubuntu linux. The screen reader, orca,is not as stable/nice as jaws but you can do just fine with it.
On 05/29/2015 10:27 AM, Chamandeep Singh Grover wrote:
Hi All, Sorry for the off topic post. I have always been very interested to work with Ruby on rails, I have created a few apps on windows, however it is not considered the best method in industry to use Windows for developing Ruby on Rails applications. So my question is, How accessible is Linux and Ubuntu for me if I am moving from Windows 8 with Jaws. I understand they are completely different environments and different ways of working, but is the accessibility stable enough for me to consider looking into this further as a career? Or does setting up and negotiating with accessibility issues take much longer and therefore will generally be unproductive. Has anyone on this list attempted to use something like Ruby mine or Sublime text?
Look forward to your comments. Chamandeep singh Grover
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